I am with Linus on this one. Linus has made the most persuasive argument against GPL v3. Since he is the most important contributtor to open source his opinion needs to be respected. RMS has to be stopped
Not everyone involved in opensource can express their opinions freely. Many are employed by companies with strict PR policy and enforcement. When Jeremy Allison resigned from Novell, the fact of his resignation was known by the public for some weeks before his last official day as a Novell employee. Jeremy had to refrain from doing or saying certain things until he was actually off the payroll, so it is good to hear him able to talk freely now. On switching to the gpl3 so soon I'm not sure this isn't too soon. The fact remains it took over a decade to find exploitable weaknesses in the gpl2 (although the gpl2 had patent provisions they were not specific enough to US and international recent software patent law). Today there are many IP lawyers studying the gpl3 for weaknesses, I very much doubt it will take a decade - and when Novell find those loopholes - there will be no one to stop them this time.
I don't understand what is so difficult about it. GIMP: click 'New layer' in the layers pane. Photoshop: click 'New layer' in the layers pane.
Perhaps it would be a good idea that instead of/aswell as collecting real-time usability data in order to help the GIMP developers find and fix its usability problems, the instrumented gimp could include its own simple anaylisis software layer outfited with several hundred hueristics, so that if the user was repeatedly clicking in the layers menu a baloon (or something) could appear nearby and present a relevent excert from the gimp man(ual) pages. Even better would be to analyse the instrumentation data in real time and somehow reduce the unarguably high (because of its power and wealth of tools) complexity of gimps interface by presenting a simplified interface tailered to the infered task at hand.
I can appreciate them being a bit miffled. Nobody like to slave over an idea, work out all the kinks and do lots of testing - than have some sweatshop on the otherside of the world knock out a poormans copy in a couple of weeks. IP laws are the bane of/. but here we see an example where the good guys need international ip harmony.
I do like Safari/KHTML, still. But as I've recently moved my email and personal information management (PIM) capabilities to the Web, I've come to rely more and more on Firefox 2 as my primary interface with the Web. And while Firefox is (mostly) a first-class citizen with these services, Safari/KHTML is not. Presumably, Apple's growing relationship with Google will fix these issues.
slightly OT but a few years ago there was an article where a high level microsoftie posibly Gates or Ballmer gave a quote something like (paraphrasing from distant memory):
"we didn't know how to fight linux, its like some strange alien thing to us, then novell bought suse, and we smiled - because beating novell is something we have done before, they are suckers, its gonna be easy"
A while back I decided this would make a great sig and googled high and low, but to no avail. Perhaps it was on an MS friendly news-site and has subsequently been purged. Does this ring any bells? Does anyone have a link to an article with a quote vaguely similar? It would be much appreciated thank you please.
"Besides, what "new computing concept" have they come up with?"
I think the ribbon interface in office 2007 is a great idea. I really find it useful they way it guesses the features you might need and presents them to you, exposing new capabilities previously buried in obscur submenus. It would be great to have something similar in abiword, someone should clone it for google-summer-of code.
slightly OT but a few moons ago there was an article where a high level microsoftie posibly Gates or Ballmer gave a quote something like (paraphrasing from distant memory):
"we didn't know how to fight linux, its like some strange alien thing to us, then novell bought suse, and we smiled - because beating novell is something we have done before, they are suckers, its gonna be easy"
A while back i decided this would make a great sig and googled high and low, but to no avail. Perhaps it was on an MS friendly news-site and has subsequently been purged. Does this ring any bells? Does anyone have a link to an article with a quote vaguely similar? It would be much appreciated thank you please.
Microsoft and other big companies develop big patent portfoloes to protect themselves, and to use against our competitors with even vaguely similar projects.
Open source developers have no such protection. It's exactly why Sendmail rejected using Microsoft's patented "SenderID", as described by Eric Allman here . And it's exactly why GPLv3 has all this complex and oddly writtten patent material (at ), as mentioned in other old Slashdot stories. Even if you think it's silly, or think that software patents are a burden to the market that should be thrown the heck out. it's a necessary licensing step to protect us from this sort of whackiness. I hope the Mono project can be re-licensed under GPLv3 to avoid repercussions from this sort of suit
This is why GPLv3 encumbers patents. the current insanity of software patents, and the risks of this kind of nuttiness, could be extremely nasty to lots of open source projects.
if you're in a noisy enviroment or listening to headphones beeping and turning the back light on is a great idea. It is better to be alerted your battery is dying, than to discover you've missed hours of important calls.
"At this point, I feel the Ballmer + Chair Throwing discussion is a bit worn out. If MarkL has anything to add, fine, but let's move on." - Who da'Punk
exactly. This is a wise decision based off of psychology. You can't let the consumer think they are getting something (ability to run windows software on linux) and then take that away (doesn't really work). They will be 6 times angrier than if they never had those features/expectations to begin with.
Agreeing with your point, and wondering does Dellbuntu ship with mono?
Probably Canonical is the best possible place for him, in terms of ideals of openess, and freeness. Novell is a closed source company at the core, and only markets linux opertunisticalalaly just like SCO of yesterday. Good luck Robert.
This is why GPLv3 is so important in regard to patents
Summing up a bunch of comments: the current insanity of software patents, and the risks of this kind of nuttiness, could be extremely nasty to lots of open source projects. Microsoft and other big companies develop big patent portfoloes to protect themselves, and to use against competitors with even vaguely similar projects.
Open source developers have no such protection. It's exactly why Sendmail rejected using Microsoft's patented "SenderID", as described by Eric Allman here . And it's exactly why GPLv3 has all this complex and oddly writtten patent material (at ), as mentioned in other old Slashdot stories. Even if you think it's silly, or think that software patents are a burden to the market that should be thrown the heck out. it's a necessary licensing step to protect us from this sort of whackiness.
I hope the Mono project can be re-licensed under GPLv3 to avoid repercussions from this sort of suit
H.264 and xvid - whoa! thats some innovative shit. Remember back in the day playing SNES thinking 'if only my snes was less about games and more like my vcr'. goMicrosoft! Nuke those yellow bastards!
The reason there is little or no take-up of mono is because of all the FUD. Mono is unique in software products in that almost all the FUD surrounding it and the novell/M$ is entirely justified. Cherish that boy captain!
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Not everyone involved in opensource can express their opinions freely. Many are employed by companies with strict PR policy and enforcement. When Jeremy Allison resigned from Novell, the fact of his resignation was known by the public for some weeks before his last official day as a Novell employee. Jeremy had to refrain from doing or saying certain things until he was actually off the payroll, so it is good to hear him able to talk freely now. On switching to the gpl3 so soon I'm not sure this isn't too soon. The fact remains it took over a decade to find exploitable weaknesses in the gpl2 (although the gpl2 had patent provisions they were not specific enough to US and international recent software patent law). Today there are many IP lawyers studying the gpl3 for weaknesses, I very much doubt it will take a decade - and when Novell find those loopholes - there will be no one to stop them this time.
Perhaps it would be a good idea that instead of/aswell as collecting real-time usability data in order to help the GIMP developers find and fix its usability problems, the instrumented gimp could include its own simple anaylisis software layer outfited with several hundred hueristics, so that if the user was repeatedly clicking in the layers menu a baloon (or something) could appear nearby and present a relevent excert from the gimp man(ual) pages. Even better would be to analyse the instrumentation data in real time and somehow reduce the unarguably high (because of its power and wealth of tools) complexity of gimps interface by presenting a simplified interface tailered to the infered task at hand.
I can appreciate them being a bit miffled. Nobody like to slave over an idea, work out all the kinks and do lots of testing - than have some sweatshop on the otherside of the world knock out a poormans copy in a couple of weeks. IP laws are the bane of /. but here we see an example where the good guys need international ip harmony.
I think an opensource version of flash is a great idea
I do like Safari/KHTML, still. But as I've recently moved my email and personal information management (PIM) capabilities to the Web, I've come to rely more and more on Firefox 2 as my primary interface with the Web. And while Firefox is (mostly) a first-class citizen with these services, Safari/KHTML is not. Presumably, Apple's growing relationship with Google will fix these issues.
For some of us, this is a good living
you'll still be ble to get your patches from SUSE
slightly OT but a few years ago there was an article where a high level microsoftie posibly Gates or Ballmer gave a quote something like (paraphrasing from distant memory):
"we didn't know how to fight linux, its like some strange alien thing to us, then novell bought suse, and we smiled - because beating novell is something we have done before, they are suckers, its gonna be easy"
A while back I decided this would make a great sig and googled high and low, but to no avail. Perhaps it was on an MS friendly news-site and has subsequently been purged. Does this ring any bells? Does anyone have a link to an article with a quote vaguely similar? It would be much appreciated thank you please.
I think the ribbon interface in office 2007 is a great idea. I really find it useful they way it guesses the features you might need and presents them to you, exposing new capabilities previously buried in obscur submenus. It would be great to have something similar in abiword, someone should clone it for google-summer-of code.
slightly OT but a few moons ago there was an article where a high level microsoftie posibly Gates or Ballmer gave a quote something like (paraphrasing from distant memory):
"we didn't know how to fight linux, its like some strange alien thing to us, then novell bought suse, and we smiled - because beating novell is something we have done before, they are suckers, its gonna be easy"
A while back i decided this would make a great sig and googled high and low, but to no avail. Perhaps it was on an MS friendly news-site and has subsequently been purged. Does this ring any bells? Does anyone have a link to an article with a quote vaguely similar? It would be much appreciated thank you please.
"Imitation is not inspiration and the least of man's original emanation is better that the best of a borrowed thought" - Albert Pinkham Ryder
Microsoft and other big companies develop big patent portfoloes to protect themselves, and to use against our competitors with even vaguely similar projects.
Open source developers have no such protection. It's exactly why Sendmail rejected using Microsoft's patented "SenderID", as described by Eric Allman here . And it's exactly why GPLv3 has all this complex and oddly writtten patent material (at ), as mentioned in other old Slashdot stories. Even if you think it's silly, or think that software patents are a burden to the market that should be thrown the heck out. it's a necessary licensing step to protect us from this sort of whackiness. I hope the Mono project can be re-licensed under GPLv3 to avoid repercussions from this sort of suit
This is why GPLv3 encumbers patents. the current insanity of software patents, and the risks of this kind of nuttiness, could be extremely nasty to lots of open source projects.
"Something is rotten in the state of Utah."
again; even after all these years I still maintain the paperclip is great idea
if you're in a noisy enviroment or listening to headphones beeping and turning the back light on is a great idea. It is better to be alerted your battery is dying, than to discover you've missed hours of important calls.
Sweet, will definetely cheggit'out. Could you post the rest of he series and please Roland who is that in your sig?
"At this point, I feel the Ballmer + Chair Throwing discussion is a bit worn out. If MarkL has anything to add, fine, but let's move on." - Who da'Punk
Agreeing with your point, and wondering does Dellbuntu ship with mono?
That's the dumbest fucking idea I've heard since I've been working for Microsoft
Probably Canonical is the best possible place for him, in terms of ideals of openess, and freeness. Novell is a closed source company at the core, and only markets linux opertunisticalalaly just like SCO of yesterday. Good luck Robert.
This is why GPLv3 is so important in regard to patents
Summing up a bunch of comments: the current insanity of software patents, and the risks of this kind of nuttiness, could be extremely nasty to lots of open source projects. Microsoft and other big companies develop big patent portfoloes to protect themselves, and to use against competitors with even vaguely similar projects.
Open source developers have no such protection. It's exactly why Sendmail rejected using Microsoft's patented "SenderID", as described by Eric Allman here . And it's exactly why GPLv3 has all this complex and oddly writtten patent material (at ), as mentioned in other old Slashdot stories. Even if you think it's silly, or think that software patents are a burden to the market that should be thrown the heck out. it's a necessary licensing step to protect us from this sort of whackiness.
I hope the Mono project can be re-licensed under GPLv3 to avoid repercussions from this sort of suit
Sounds like a great idea
I think ClearType is a great idea
H.264 and xvid - whoa! thats some innovative shit. Remember back in the day playing SNES thinking 'if only my snes was less about games and more like my vcr'. goMicrosoft! Nuke those yellow bastards!
The reason there is little or no take-up of mono is because of all the FUD. Mono is unique in software products in that almost all the FUD surrounding it and the novell/M$ is entirely justified. Cherish that boy captain!