Well you see the conspiracy at work here: GP thinks the problem is between rich people and poor people, while the issue is between people who want money as a weapon of control and demolish all competing value systems and all the rest. Many rich people are simply the slaves that believe the "Life is a game and money is how you keep the score" propaganda. And you dismissing conspiracies in general. Maybe you have seen some debunked? So? Maybe you find other possible explanations? So? Conspiracies are part of history, is there a reason why they should all have stopped now?
Of course what I call a conspiracy might be just convergence of interest. Fine, but the net effect is the same. The effect is that WE are too easy to manipulate. We are naive when it comes to look at the world.
Bin laden - CIA ties ex allied. Saddam - CIA ties. ex allied. Achmadinejad - won elections thanks to the peculiar behavior of pro-occidental electors that boycotted the moderate candidates because they weren't modern enough.
Do you see a pattern there? If there is one it doesn't play well with your view of "we are simply getting rid of the baddies (only those whose interests bother us, as ruanda was left conveniently alone)"
Besides, smalltalk environments that have been in use for decades (quite vertical markets I gather) have fewer flaws than Vista, Mac and Linux, so let's all switch, right? Flaws are not the only metric, what about performance, availability of drivers, freedom, consistent user experience?
The license covers contributors asses, hence the wording. I'd not like somebody mounting a class action because of a stupid mistake that can be interpreted as mischief (for example, if I leave my domain as a log target in a production app, then whatever tests will pass, I'll be satisfied, commit the changes, and will have effectively inserted something that in court can be defined spyware. Do you trust judges to understand your position?)
I agree it doesn't sound particularly good for the customers. But then, even debian first thing is guarantee disclaimer which sounds terrible. Once you try out the distro on supported hardware you quickly change idea.
Then go buy software which gives you such guarantees, and see the market decide if your installation is to be preferred over lower cost- no guarantee ones that competition might use. But posting your opinion about liability on an Apache/Linux comment thread is off-topic. See apache license
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incidental, or consequential damages of any character arising as a
result of this License or out of the use or inability to use the
Work (including but not limited to damages for loss of goodwill,
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You must have pretty high standards. I had more than 10 years of painless computing before switching to linux thanks to the MacOS. Ended up with 17 partitions on one volume of macOS/OSX/PowerPCLinux without a hitch, while the other camp was doing the logical partitions dance and cylinder count just to dual boot.
IIRC in the Old Testament punishment comes from God in quite immediate and cruel ways. And reward is the Abraham kind: wealth and sons. But in the new testament? "The owner's servants came to him and said, 'Sir, didn't you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?' " 'An enemy did this,' he replied. "The servants asked him, 'Do you want us to go and pull them up?' " 'No,' he answered, 'because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest."
Until the harvest. So I'd be more careful before invoking God's wrath as a justification for bad things happening to some people.
Not that it withstands a basic reductio ad hitlerum anyway:)
Quite difficult to define relations on the Christian side, when love thy enemy is a rule with somewhat high priority. About the unbelievers' rules, well, can't say.
hmmm but since we are obviously able to compare the characteristics of artificial legs vs. real ones couldn't the guy just use reduced functionality artificial legs that resemble the performance of other athletes' real legs? I think it's in his own interest too, to be able to compete on par. He could be given a slight advantage in performance to compensate for his reduced sensibility when running, which is a handicap.
Devious but now VBA is not cross platform anymore, which makes it even less appealing for people who cater to a mixed audience. Not that I see many cases where passing around documents with embedded scripts is the way to go, but YMMV.
Unless, maybe, openoffice support of VB/VBA is decent.
My point was not that Scalzone oughtn't be allowed to visit universities, quite the opposite. Invite both and ask the Pope about Galileo if that is an issue for you. It's not the first time the Pope had to clarify his position (backpedal?), it happened with phrases about Islam.
As for Prodi, the university is public. He or the minister of instruction are entitled to take the matter into their own hands and override the professors. He deplores, not censors. Of course he does NOT do it because he feels responsibility towards the guys who elected him and whose taxes pay professors, students - and the Pope's organization too (in a kind of an opt-out scheme). He did it because this is the perfect topic for pointless debate that takes up valuable space in the media. Better discuss this than the situation of Naples, or the rising debt at family level, or the reason why Prodi and Berlusconi are enemies that do not fight each other, simply milking different sectors of society when they get to power.
The problem is also about who came to the house before, with invitation and all. AFAIK, among other more fitting people, there were nice guys like Oreste Scalzone, criminal charges dropped because of prescription, now in politics.
> 7. none of the above points matter because Microsoft sucks anyway and no one @ slashdot uses MS Office, they all use OO (yea, right!)
Last office in my house was 97, bundled with the new mac, uninstalled as instability was too irritating for the standards of a mac user. So, yeah, right.
Personally, I'm seeing science as dealing with the immanent, religion dealing with the transcendent -for religions with a transcendent being of course, and philosophy defining the field for both.
Pity that religious types and scientific ones do not realize they are a complement to each others.
your own example of fruit shoots you down, all fruit is transplanted on root stocks and cloned from the same tree's over and over.it's been done this way for hundreds of years with no ill effects, so there's your long term evidence.
Except that if you read well the example was about the chemicals used on the plant.
As for the plants they don't prove any point, transplants have been the rule, but until recent times it was done on small scale. Each farmer made his own stuff. No long term evidence. Then came big brand corn and stuff- but then came pollution, different lifestyles, people assuming drugs for medication and or fun, and at the end we can't really prove if our diseased are caused by any of these factors. We can make educated guesses and you have to trust who makes them.
But it is different from ordinary meat. The difference is you basically always eat the same animal. Where's the problem? Same as pesticides: in nature we were used to eat different fruit each developing its own chemicals (self made pesticides). Now we always eat the same chemicals. Next we'll eat the same few animals. I consider it a potential long term risk. Our body becomes accustomed to deal with a reduced variety of stuff.
And this in the best case scenario where the makers of the animal don't try to squeeze every penny from its genome by feeding us the meat of the beast that grows faster with the less food no matter how healthy it is.
Anyway, in a free state people would be free to choose, even if choice comes from silly reasons. Most of consumer choices are dictated by stimuli which are engineered by advertising and PR. Prohibiting to label the food as cloned or not is fascist.
What if Microsoft got the state to prevent laptop makers to say what OS is in their laptops, XP, Vista, Mac or Linux, so that people are forced to get more of Vista?
But how a fuzzy superposition of watermarks is going to work in a trial? There is an increasing room for doubt with each superposition, especially if you mix in noise or reencode in different formats.
The other problem: the owner of the watermark must be tracked => music can't be purchased by cash. The other problem: the moment RIAA goes after the original purchaser, music files sales will drop. I am not going to purchase something that if stolen is going to earn me lots of trouble.
Even if I think GPL3 is the way to go if you care for people not to partially "hijack" your project, for a kernel it seems sensible to use v2. What about a networked box using a gpl3 TCP/IP stack? Wouldn't the use of the box define if it's legal or not? Too much of a hassle.
I'd go for v2 or any later with the caveat that if you want to merge into official kernel it must be v2.
Anyway I'm likely missing all the problems with patents which could suggest going GPL3.
Yes, and there are also security considerations. If I'm patching firmware vulnerabilities I must assume somebody might have exploited them in the meantime. It's not always about white hat hackers opening up the gadget (whose phone I have not the right to brick since it's THEIR friggin' property anyway).
So if I want something that just works(tm) i must re-image completely the firmware, or I risk bricking an innocent user who had the misfortune of being pwned.
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Well you see the conspiracy at work here: GP thinks the problem is between rich people and poor people, while the issue is between people who want money as a weapon of control and demolish all competing value systems and all the rest. Many rich people are simply the slaves that believe the "Life is a game and money is how you keep the score" propaganda.
And you dismissing conspiracies in general. Maybe you have seen some debunked? So? Maybe you find other possible explanations? So? Conspiracies are part of history, is there a reason why they should all have stopped now?
Of course what I call a conspiracy might be just convergence of interest. Fine, but the net effect is the same. The effect is that WE are too easy to manipulate. We are naive when it comes to look at the world.
Bin laden - CIA ties ex allied.
Saddam - CIA ties. ex allied.
Achmadinejad - won elections thanks to the peculiar behavior of pro-occidental electors that boycotted the moderate candidates because they weren't modern enough.
Do you see a pattern there? If there is one it doesn't play well with your view of "we are simply getting rid of the baddies (only those whose interests bother us, as ruanda was left conveniently alone)"
Besides, smalltalk environments that have been in use for decades (quite vertical markets I gather) have fewer flaws than Vista, Mac and Linux, so let's all switch, right? Flaws are not the only metric, what about performance, availability of drivers, freedom, consistent user experience?
The license covers contributors asses, hence the wording. I'd not like somebody mounting a class action because of a stupid mistake that can be interpreted as mischief (for example, if I leave my domain as a log target in a production app, then whatever tests will pass, I'll be satisfied, commit the changes, and will have effectively inserted something that in court can be defined spyware. Do you trust judges to understand your position?)
I agree it doesn't sound particularly good for the customers. But then, even debian first thing is guarantee disclaimer which sounds terrible. Once you try out the distro on supported hardware you quickly change idea.
Then go buy software which gives you such guarantees, and see the market decide if your installation is to be preferred over lower cost- no guarantee ones that competition might use. But posting your opinion about liability on an Apache/Linux comment thread is off-topic. See apache license
8. Limitation of Liability. In no event and under no legal theory,
whether in tort (including negligence), contract, or otherwise,
unless required by applicable law (such as deliberate and grossly
negligent acts) or agreed to in writing, shall any Contributor be
liable to You for damages, including any direct, indirect, special,
incidental, or consequential damages of any character arising as a
result of this License or out of the use or inability to use the
Work (including but not limited to damages for loss of goodwill,
work stoppage, computer failure or malfunction, or any and all
other commercial damages or losses), even if such Contributor
has been advised of the possibility of such damages.
If I were a prospective client, I would think about the effective way IE killed the then king netscape, sure.
I would also think about the way IE turned into an awfully modularized insecure POS after winning.
Let's just hope Xen makers don't play the part of NCSA Mosaic.
> System was AWFULLY DISGUSTING.
You must have pretty high standards. I had more than 10 years of painless computing before switching to linux thanks to the MacOS. Ended up with 17 partitions on one volume of macOS/OSX/PowerPCLinux without a hitch, while the other camp was doing the logical partitions dance and cylinder count just to dual boot.
I thought it was well known we "almost never" eat other people's bodies.
IIRC in the Old Testament punishment comes from God in quite immediate and cruel ways. And reward is the Abraham kind: wealth and sons.
:)
But in the new testament?
"The owner's servants came to him and said, 'Sir, didn't you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?'
" 'An enemy did this,' he replied.
"The servants asked him, 'Do you want us to go and pull them up?'
" 'No,' he answered, 'because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them.
Let both grow together until the harvest."
Until the harvest. So I'd be more careful before invoking God's wrath as a justification for bad things happening to some people.
Not that it withstands a basic reductio ad hitlerum anyway
Quite difficult to define relations on the Christian side, when love thy enemy is a rule with somewhat high priority. About the unbelievers' rules, well, can't say.
Well sports constantly deal with the risk of having new doping techniques alter results. So isn't a bit hypocritical to require perfection?
hmmm but since we are obviously able to compare the characteristics of artificial legs vs. real ones couldn't the guy just use reduced functionality artificial legs that resemble the performance of other athletes' real legs? I think it's in his own interest too, to be able to compete on par. He could be given a slight advantage in performance to compensate for his reduced sensibility when running, which is a handicap.
Devious but now VBA is not cross platform anymore, which makes it even less appealing for people who cater to a mixed audience. Not that I see many cases where passing around documents with embedded scripts is the way to go, but YMMV.
Unless, maybe, openoffice support of VB/VBA is decent.
My point was not that Scalzone oughtn't be allowed to visit universities, quite the opposite. Invite both and ask the Pope about Galileo if that is an issue for you. It's not the first time the Pope had to clarify his position (backpedal?), it happened with phrases about Islam.
As for Prodi, the university is public. He or the minister of instruction are entitled to take the matter into their own hands and override the professors. He deplores, not censors. Of course he does NOT do it because he feels responsibility towards the guys who elected him and whose taxes pay professors, students - and the Pope's organization too (in a kind of an opt-out scheme). He did it because this is the perfect topic for pointless debate that takes up valuable space in the media. Better discuss this than the situation of Naples, or the rising debt at family level, or the reason why Prodi and Berlusconi are enemies that do not fight each other, simply milking different sectors of society when they get to power.
The problem is also about who came to the house before, with invitation and all. AFAIK, among other more fitting people, there were nice guys like Oreste Scalzone, criminal charges dropped because of prescription, now in politics.
> 7. none of the above points matter because Microsoft sucks anyway and no one @ slashdot uses MS Office, they all use OO (yea, right!)
Last office in my house was 97, bundled with the new mac, uninstalled as instability was too irritating for the standards of a mac user. So, yeah, right.
Personally, I'm seeing science as dealing with the immanent, religion dealing with the transcendent -for religions with a transcendent being of course, and philosophy defining the field for both.
Pity that religious types and scientific ones do not realize they are a complement to each others.
Don't worry, recdep will take care of the issue.
Except that if you read well the example was about the chemicals used on the plant.
As for the plants they don't prove any point, transplants have been the rule, but until recent times it was done on small scale. Each farmer made his own stuff. No long term evidence. Then came big brand corn and stuff- but then came pollution, different lifestyles, people assuming drugs for medication and or fun, and at the end we can't really prove if our diseased are caused by any of these factors. We can make educated guesses and you have to trust who makes them.
But it is different from ordinary meat. The difference is you basically always eat the same animal. Where's the problem? Same as pesticides: in nature we were used to eat different fruit each developing its own chemicals (self made pesticides). Now we always eat the same chemicals. Next we'll eat the same few animals. I consider it a potential long term risk. Our body becomes accustomed to deal with a reduced variety of stuff.
And this in the best case scenario where the makers of the animal don't try to squeeze every penny from its genome by feeding us the meat of the beast that grows faster with the less food no matter how healthy it is.
Anyway, in a free state people would be free to choose, even if choice comes from silly reasons. Most of consumer choices are dictated by stimuli which are engineered by advertising and PR. Prohibiting to label the food as cloned or not is fascist.
What if Microsoft got the state to prevent laptop makers to say what OS is in their laptops, XP, Vista, Mac or Linux, so that people are forced to get more of Vista?
But how a fuzzy superposition of watermarks is going to work in a trial? There is an increasing room for doubt with each superposition, especially if you mix in noise or reencode in different formats.
The other problem: the owner of the watermark must be tracked => music can't be purchased by cash.
The other problem: the moment RIAA goes after the original purchaser, music files sales will drop. I am not going to purchase something that if stolen is going to earn me lots of trouble.
The one with better games.
Even if I think GPL3 is the way to go if you care for people not to partially "hijack" your project, for a kernel it seems sensible to use v2. What about a networked box using a gpl3 TCP/IP stack? Wouldn't the use of the box define if it's legal or not? Too much of a hassle.
I'd go for v2 or any later with the caveat that if you want to merge into official kernel it must be v2.
Anyway I'm likely missing all the problems with patents which could suggest going GPL3.
Yes, and there are also security considerations. If I'm patching firmware vulnerabilities I must assume somebody might have exploited them in the meantime. It's not always about white hat hackers opening up the gadget (whose phone I have not the right to brick since it's THEIR friggin' property anyway).
So if I want something that just works(tm) i must re-image completely the firmware, or I risk bricking an innocent user who had the misfortune of being pwned.