I don't know what I fear more a bright green glowing moon in the sky and made useless to resource exploitation (and limiting our access to Mars, the greatest Real Estate Venture since the Louisiana Purchase) or millions of morbidly obese males and females of our generation pump and decaying on the rotton corpse of a society based on laziness and sloth.
I think the one that means I have to help pry a 500 lb female out of her mini-cooper and then be sued for sexual harrassment while her 22 year old University of Michigan graduate lays on her couch for a few years cause, he/she is to overeducated to lift a privilaged little finger and enter a respectable entry level postion that, "I don't find fullfilling."
Currently the Federal Government has alot of problems getting the average tax payer to want to spend money on research of any kind. It isn't interesting and most people equate it to spending $115.00 a hammer or research into the medicinal properties of Timber Owl pellets.
Manned Space Exploration in the early years of NASA and the Soft Science of the Apollo Missions was seen as exciting and worth the expense. Support is seriously lagging for any science experiment that doesn't provide great video captions or pictures for the newspaper. Unless you support Soft Science on a Large Scale it is eventually going to be impossible to get money for anything but a better bullet or bomb.
To use a business analogy "You have to spend money to make money." Big Science can only make money by providing a supporting role and then living on the coat tails of Soft Science.
That said Bush is solely show boating the Manned Space Exploration in order to appease Joe Taxpayer's apprehension on spending any money on science. Truth be told unless it means immediate return of investment I doubt 10% of the administration (or the U.S. government) desires to spend money on "Big Science." They spend enough to keep the academics and educated placated.
Hiring the X-prize recipients would be outright impossible if not stupid. Purchasing patents from and hiring the more successful losers of the competition. (The Amadillo software would be really interesting to intigrate into a NASA Test program).
Payload costs should decrease with the entry of increased commercial competition into the market (competition breeds competancy as an old business professor used to say)
You forgot about the lead pipes. Sometimes engineering comes back and bites you hard in the a$$.
Huh,
Just had an interesting mental picture. Roman Lawyers chasing done plumbers to sue them for lead poisening the same way a lawyer today chases after anyone who walked by an aspestos gasket 50 years ago.
On the other hand this liberal alarmist might have run across a good point. (Entirely on accident and in no way could it be attributed to brain activity.)
"no-bid, sole-source government contract." Are contracts like this bid out by Nasa to various univercity's? By increasing the profile of certian projects and bringing them out to bid between univercities, organizations and corporate researchers NASA could really get some publicity for science activity. Active bidding on government contracts tend to draw attention when they have interesting implications and would be easy to promote and attact media attention to. Remember the CNN coverage of the Lockhead, Rockwell, and Boeing proposals for the shuttle replacement a decade back? Multiply that by 4 grants a year.
The people at Lift Port are also hopeless optimists. Realistic spending on increased availiblilty and feasibility requires at least that much time. Applying Moores law to this is ridiculous, emerging technology today does not HAVE to be run by Moores law. Moores law explains a random technological progression based on the fact that given the shoddy work being done at Microsoft businesses require three times the computing power with every new Windows "upgrade".
Nanotech not the same thing and will require more (and increasingly hesitant) investment as well as research time.
In Wisconsin this is entirely true, unless your from West Allis heart attack capital of the U.S.; then you're screwed. Height weight ratio's are not designed for ethnic or environmental body differentials. The German/Scandanavians heritage of WI and MN leads to many otherwise healthy indiviuals (heavy laborers and farmers) to beleiving they are fat.
My arguement, you live next to a Great Lake, you'll need that extra level of insulation to.
I think that calling these things robots is little more then a public relations ploy. The Korean Government is more likely to appove large appropreations for this project if the guilible masses think they'll have a marching army of robot warriors on the front line.
From reading the article it sounds like these are actually little more then an automated defense perimeter. These will be simply replacing the manned patrols that are likely very expensive and not as effective.
Actually the idea of an automated defense perimeter is SO much cooler then robots. To demonstrate let me reconstruct an invasion senario using Dune 2000. North Korean "Freeman" Units against the rocket towers and walls of the South Korean Troops.
While you are busy knocking every bit of talk radio would you mind mentioning the fact that in the last three years NPR and regional affiliates have developed a left leaning slant that makes CNN look like Pat Buchaneon.
While I'd hate to disagree with your agreement, but alternative energy research is one area where the research has a direct bottom line on the consumer. If alternative energy was economically feasible to implement it would take hold. In actuallity bio-fuel, first and formost bio-deisel and bio-enthonal aditives to fuel are likely to be reinstated nationwide because of economic feasiblity when oil reaches above $70 a barrel for an extended length of time. Increasing production (with an almost certian economy of scale decrease in cost of production) should be able to make bio-fuels more widely used and intigrate them into the American fuel economy smoothly.
Additional funding of energy through Public Relations and Promotion like I was trying to support for Space Exploration is only essential in markets were direct consumer effects cannot be felt. Growth in the alternative energy market is likely to develope in coming years like that of the medical research market. Increased competition to supply an infiniately greedy market. With environmental controls as they are only alternative energy solutions will be cost effective.
The problem that I see is that these probes were not designed to continue thier mission into interestellar space. They have little else but thier transponders working and are not sending back much in the way of meaningful data on the physical/elestro-magnetic properties of this phenomeonon. Unless you do extensive analysis of the radio response. But the level of knowledge gained from this analysis is not going to be accurate and is likely to create more questions then it will solve.
Sorry you lost your federal grant money to prove that God does not exist. However you have to realize that government funding of research is something new and raising taxpayer interest in research is hard to do.
Currently the Federal Government has alot of problems getting the average tax payer to want to spend money on research of any kind. It isn't interesting and most people equate it to spending $115.00 a hammer or research into the medicinal properties of Timber Owl pellets.
Manned Space Exploration in the early years of NASA and the Soft Science of the Apollo Missions was seen as exciting and worth the expense. Support is seriously lagging for any science experiment that doesn't provide great video captions or pictures for the newspaper. Unless you support Soft Science on a Large Scale it is eventually going to be impossible to get money for anything but a better bullet or bomb.
To use a business analogy "You have to spend money to make money." Big Science can only make money by providing a supporting role and then living on the coat tails of Soft Science.
That said Bush is solely show boating the Manned Space Exploration in order to appease Joe Taxpayer's apprehension on spending any money on science. Truth be told unless it means immediate return of investment I doubt 10% of the administration (or the U.S. government) desires to spend money on "Big Science." They spend enough to keep the academics and educated placated.
It is my belief that in that 10% of government who actually care about science research someone decided that the best way to get more research funding in the long run is to get the polarized public interested in space exploration through the Moon, Mars and Beyond program. Without it they understood that thier budget would continue to shrink as the government invested more in the care of aging baby boomers.
I made a joke a while back about Haliburton being blamed by liberals for all the evils of today's world. I though it was a joke.
Currently the Federal Government has alot of problems getting the average tax payer to want to spend money on research of any kind. It isn't interesting and most people equate it to spending $115.00 a hammer or research into the medicinal properties of Timber Owl pellets.
Manned Space Exploration in the early years of NASA and the Soft Science of the Apollo Missions was seen as exciting and worth the expense. Support is seriously lagging for any science experiment that doesn't provide great video captions or pictures for the newspaper. Unless you support Soft Science on a Large Scale it is eventually going to be impossible to get money for anything but a better bullet or bomb.
To use a business analogy "You have to spend money to make money." Big Science can only make money by providing a supporting role and then living on the coat tails of Soft Science.
That said Bush is solely show boating the Manned Space Exploration in order to appease Joe Taxpayer's apprehension on spending any money on science. Truth be told unless it means immediate return of investment I doubt 10% of the administration (or the U.S. government) desires to spend money on "Big Science." They spend enough to keep the academics and educated placated.
It is my belief that in that 10% of government who actually care about science research someone decided that the best way to get more research funding in the long run is to get the polarized public interested in space exploration through the Moon, Mars and Beyond program. Without it they understood that thier budget would continue to shrink as the government invested more in the care of aging baby boomers.
"....Earth-Sun Exploration Division arose in February, when the Bush administration proposed slashing the division's 2006 budget by nearly one-third -- from $75 million to $53 million."
Notice "the division's" the manned spaceflight division seems to have gained where Big Science has lost. Given how interested the average American (If this post gets me called Ameri-centric again I have a hot waffle iron that I'll beat you down with.) is in NASA's theoretical research into the cosmo's (other then the pretty pictures from Hubble) this is no big surprise.
A return to adventurous and interesting escapades into space that the American public can get interested in the more money that the US government can concievably throw at the sciences in general.
Get the Mob interested in Space and the Money will go to space. Have them entertained by 6 monkey's in suits defending/Prosicuting Micheal Jackson and the money goes to the monkey's.
Have "Don't Panic" Written on one side of the asteroid in big friendly red letters, on the other "Sorry for the Inconvience" in giant flaming letters. Inside keep a complete copy of his collected works and a hot cup of tea.
Having every existing copy of Jane Austin (only 10,000 dung slinging monkey's required.) translated into sanscrit before the sacremental burning of all other translations might also be fitting... Or it could just be my dislike of her writing showing.
Supporting Stem Cell research is not a death sentence. Possibly for direct funding of small research organizations who are organized to do nothing but stem cell research. Who I admit are doing most of the research. (All be it in hope of being bought out by Microsoft like Drug company)
But if Entities/Organizations who do the funding are targeted then California and Wisconsin Tax Payers are screwed... Federal Funding cut off for research, roads, schools, SS, Medicare....
Even so thier are way's to address this problem. Set up a small "Funding Organization" and funnel federal money into "legal" projects. Then use the same harmless organization to funnel Corporate and State funds into new stem cell line developement. Work around federal rules and regulations, don't try to cut through it.
Politicians have used the same trick for years. It's essentially like funding the Party (or your favorite 527) instead of the canidate. I'd be very surprised if such a (or for that matter many) funding front(s) for stem cell research does not already exist.
To many falicies in that arguement (sarcastic arguement at that) to count. You can be Atheist (or even a non-fundemental Christian) and have a Conservative funding agenda.
Disbelief of this fact is fed into our minds by the Ultra Left and Ultra Right. Don't fall victum to that thinking.
Funding for technology (like this), infastructure projects, big science, and war are just politics; regardless of what you hear from Bill O'Rielly or Conny Chung.
As a side note I just lit up the coal burning grill and am having my poorly paid and overworked Latin Armerican maid serve up Chilean Sea Bass and albino buffalo steaks. We can sit back and argue on my imported lounge chairs made of by sweat shop workers in China and argue politics over dinner and a bottle of non-french wine and non-cuban cigars.
You might want to head out before my friends show up for our yearly PETA member hunt. It really is to bad Charlton Heston isn't as good of a shot as he used to be, he always made it interesting.
[SATIRE, n. An obsolete kind of literary composition in which the vices and follies of the author's enemies were expounded with imperfect tenderness. ]
This can best be answered by Quoting the Devils Dictionary:
SATAN: n;
One of the Creator's lamentable mistakes, repented in sashcloth and axes. Being instated as an archangel, Satan made himself multifariously objectionable and was finally expelled from Heaven. Halfway in his descent he paused, bent his head in thought a moment and at last went back. "There is one favor that I should like to ask," said he.
"Name it."
"Man, I understand, is about to be created. He will need laws."
"What, wretch! you his appointed adversary, charged from the dawn of eternity with hatred of his soul -- you ask for the right to make his laws?"
"Pardon; what I have to ask is that he be permitted to make them himself."
It was so ordered.
So, the correct response to your question. Yes, we were doomed from the start.
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I don't know what I fear more a bright green glowing moon in the sky and made useless to resource exploitation (and limiting our access to Mars, the greatest Real Estate Venture since the Louisiana Purchase) or millions of morbidly obese males and females of our generation pump and decaying on the rotton corpse of a society based on laziness and sloth.
I think the one that means I have to help pry a 500 lb female out of her mini-cooper and then be sued for sexual harrassment while her 22 year old University of Michigan graduate lays on her couch for a few years cause, he/she is to overeducated to lift a privilaged little finger and enter a respectable entry level postion that, "I don't find fullfilling."
But that's me.
Currently the Federal Government has alot of problems getting the average tax payer to want to spend money on research of any kind. It isn't interesting and most people equate it to spending $115.00 a hammer or research into the medicinal properties of Timber Owl pellets.
Manned Space Exploration in the early years of NASA and the Soft Science of the Apollo Missions was seen as exciting and worth the expense. Support is seriously lagging for any science experiment that doesn't provide great video captions or pictures for the newspaper. Unless you support Soft Science on a Large Scale it is eventually going to be impossible to get money for anything but a better bullet or bomb.
To use a business analogy "You have to spend money to make money." Big Science can only make money by providing a supporting role and then living on the coat tails of Soft Science.
That said Bush is solely show boating the Manned Space Exploration in order to appease Joe Taxpayer's apprehension on spending any money on science. Truth be told unless it means immediate return of investment I doubt 10% of the administration (or the U.S. government) desires to spend money on "Big Science." They spend enough to keep the academics and educated placated.
Hiring the X-prize recipients would be outright impossible if not stupid. Purchasing patents from and hiring the more successful losers of the competition. (The Amadillo software would be really interesting to intigrate into a NASA Test program).
Payload costs should decrease with the entry of increased commercial competition into the market (competition breeds competancy as an old business professor used to say)
You forgot about the lead pipes. Sometimes engineering comes back and bites you hard in the a$$.
Huh,
Just had an interesting mental picture. Roman Lawyers chasing done plumbers to sue them for lead poisening the same way a lawyer today chases after anyone who walked by an aspestos gasket 50 years ago.
Toga's, lawyers, and johns.... Not pretty.
Well that sure was shameless.
On the other hand this liberal alarmist might have run across a good point. (Entirely on accident and in no way could it be attributed to brain activity.)
"no-bid, sole-source government contract." Are contracts like this bid out by Nasa to various univercity's? By increasing the profile of certian projects and bringing them out to bid between univercities, organizations and corporate researchers NASA could really get some publicity for science activity. Active bidding on government contracts tend to draw attention when they have interesting implications and would be easy to promote and attact media attention to. Remember the CNN coverage of the Lockhead, Rockwell, and Boeing proposals for the shuttle replacement a decade back? Multiply that by 4 grants a year.
The people at Lift Port are also hopeless optimists. Realistic spending on increased availiblilty and feasibility requires at least that much time. Applying Moores law to this is ridiculous, emerging technology today does not HAVE to be run by Moores law. Moores law explains a random technological progression based on the fact that given the shoddy work being done at Microsoft businesses require three times the computing power with every new Windows "upgrade".
Nanotech not the same thing and will require more (and increasingly hesitant) investment as well as research time.
In Wisconsin this is entirely true, unless your from West Allis heart attack capital of the U.S.; then you're screwed. Height weight ratio's are not designed for ethnic or environmental body differentials. The German/Scandanavians heritage of WI and MN leads to many otherwise healthy indiviuals (heavy laborers and farmers) to beleiving they are fat.
My arguement, you live next to a Great Lake, you'll need that extra level of insulation to.
Well at least we have proof positive that U.S. polititians aren't the only dirty ones.
In Soviet Canuckistan Enterprise revives you.
Sorry for the Pat Buchanan referance. But it's still funny.
I think that calling these things robots is little more then a public relations ploy. The Korean Government is more likely to appove large appropreations for this project if the guilible masses think they'll have a marching army of robot warriors on the front line.
From reading the article it sounds like these are actually little more then an automated defense perimeter. These will be simply replacing the manned patrols that are likely very expensive and not as effective.
Actually the idea of an automated defense perimeter is SO much cooler then robots. To demonstrate let me reconstruct an invasion senario using Dune 2000. North Korean "Freeman" Units against the rocket towers and walls of the South Korean Troops.
What's in a name? That which we call a rose; By any other genetic strucure would smell as sweet.
This is twice as dangerous since John Edwards has returned to private practice.
While you are busy knocking every bit of talk radio would you mind mentioning the fact that in the last three years NPR and regional affiliates have developed a left leaning slant that makes CNN look like Pat Buchaneon.
While I'd hate to disagree with your agreement, but alternative energy research is one area where the research has a direct bottom line on the consumer. If alternative energy was economically feasible to implement it would take hold. In actuallity bio-fuel, first and formost bio-deisel and bio-enthonal aditives to fuel are likely to be reinstated nationwide because of economic feasiblity when oil reaches above $70 a barrel for an extended length of time. Increasing production (with an almost certian economy of scale decrease in cost of production) should be able to make bio-fuels more widely used and intigrate them into the American fuel economy smoothly.
Additional funding of energy through Public Relations and Promotion like I was trying to support for Space Exploration is only essential in markets were direct consumer effects cannot be felt. Growth in the alternative energy market is likely to develope in coming years like that of the medical research market. Increased competition to supply an infiniately greedy market. With environmental controls as they are only alternative energy solutions will be cost effective.
The problem that I see is that these probes were not designed to continue thier mission into interestellar space. They have little else but thier transponders working and are not sending back much in the way of meaningful data on the physical/elestro-magnetic properties of this phenomeonon. Unless you do extensive analysis of the radio response. But the level of knowledge gained from this analysis is not going to be accurate and is likely to create more questions then it will solve.
Sorry you lost your federal grant money to prove that God does not exist. However you have to realize that government funding of research is something new and raising taxpayer interest in research is hard to do.
Currently the Federal Government has alot of problems getting the average tax payer to want to spend money on research of any kind. It isn't interesting and most people equate it to spending $115.00 a hammer or research into the medicinal properties of Timber Owl pellets.
Manned Space Exploration in the early years of NASA and the Soft Science of the Apollo Missions was seen as exciting and worth the expense. Support is seriously lagging for any science experiment that doesn't provide great video captions or pictures for the newspaper. Unless you support Soft Science on a Large Scale it is eventually going to be impossible to get money for anything but a better bullet or bomb.
To use a business analogy "You have to spend money to make money." Big Science can only make money by providing a supporting role and then living on the coat tails of Soft Science.
That said Bush is solely show boating the Manned Space Exploration in order to appease Joe Taxpayer's apprehension on spending any money on science. Truth be told unless it means immediate return of investment I doubt 10% of the administration (or the U.S. government) desires to spend money on "Big Science." They spend enough to keep the academics and educated placated.
It is my belief that in that 10% of government who actually care about science research someone decided that the best way to get more research funding in the long run is to get the polarized public interested in space exploration through the Moon, Mars and Beyond program. Without it they understood that thier budget would continue to shrink as the government invested more in the care of aging baby boomers.
I made a joke a while back about Haliburton being blamed by liberals for all the evils of today's world. I though it was a joke.
Currently the Federal Government has alot of problems getting the average tax payer to want to spend money on research of any kind. It isn't interesting and most people equate it to spending $115.00 a hammer or research into the medicinal properties of Timber Owl pellets.
Manned Space Exploration in the early years of NASA and the Soft Science of the Apollo Missions was seen as exciting and worth the expense. Support is seriously lagging for any science experiment that doesn't provide great video captions or pictures for the newspaper. Unless you support Soft Science on a Large Scale it is eventually going to be impossible to get money for anything but a better bullet or bomb.
To use a business analogy "You have to spend money to make money." Big Science can only make money by providing a supporting role and then living on the coat tails of Soft Science.
That said Bush is solely show boating the Manned Space Exploration in order to appease Joe Taxpayer's apprehension on spending any money on science. Truth be told unless it means immediate return of investment I doubt 10% of the administration (or the U.S. government) desires to spend money on "Big Science." They spend enough to keep the academics and educated placated.
It is my belief that in that 10% of government who actually care about science research someone decided that the best way to get more research funding in the long run is to get the polarized public interested in space exploration through the Moon, Mars and Beyond program. Without it they understood that thier budget would continue to shrink as the government invested more in the care of aging baby boomers.
"....Earth-Sun Exploration Division arose in February, when the Bush administration proposed slashing the division's 2006 budget by nearly one-third -- from $75 million to $53 million."
Notice "the division's" the manned spaceflight division seems to have gained where Big Science has lost. Given how interested the average American (If this post gets me called Ameri-centric again I have a hot waffle iron that I'll beat you down with.) is in NASA's theoretical research into the cosmo's (other then the pretty pictures from Hubble) this is no big surprise.
A return to adventurous and interesting escapades into space that the American public can get interested in the more money that the US government can concievably throw at the sciences in general.
Get the Mob interested in Space and the Money will go to space. Have them entertained by 6 monkey's in suits defending/Prosicuting Micheal Jackson and the money goes to the monkey's.
Rome, mob, you get the hint.
Well I guess this is another use for Viagra.
Have "Don't Panic" Written on one side of the asteroid in big friendly red letters, on the other "Sorry for the Inconvience" in giant flaming letters. Inside keep a complete copy of his collected works and a hot cup of tea.
Having every existing copy of Jane Austin (only 10,000 dung slinging monkey's required.) translated into sanscrit before the sacremental burning of all other translations might also be fitting... Or it could just be my dislike of her writing showing.
Supporting Stem Cell research is not a death sentence. Possibly for direct funding of small research organizations who are organized to do nothing but stem cell research. Who I admit are doing most of the research. (All be it in hope of being bought out by Microsoft like Drug company)
But if Entities/Organizations who do the funding are targeted then California and Wisconsin Tax Payers are screwed... Federal Funding cut off for research, roads, schools, SS, Medicare....
Even so thier are way's to address this problem. Set up a small "Funding Organization" and funnel federal money into "legal" projects. Then use the same harmless organization to funnel Corporate and State funds into new stem cell line developement. Work around federal rules and regulations, don't try to cut through it.
Politicians have used the same trick for years. It's essentially like funding the Party (or your favorite 527) instead of the canidate. I'd be very surprised if such a (or for that matter many) funding front(s) for stem cell research does not already exist.
To many falicies in that arguement (sarcastic arguement at that) to count. You can be Atheist (or even a non-fundemental Christian) and have a Conservative funding agenda.
Disbelief of this fact is fed into our minds by the Ultra Left and Ultra Right. Don't fall victum to that thinking.
Funding for technology (like this), infastructure projects, big science, and war are just politics; regardless of what you hear from Bill O'Rielly or Conny Chung.
They all have to beat out Howard Hughes.....
I want to see a space ship built out of spruce. It only has to fly once...
Interesting we live to piss you off.
As a side note I just lit up the coal burning grill and am having my poorly paid and overworked Latin Armerican maid serve up Chilean Sea Bass and albino buffalo steaks. We can sit back and argue on my imported lounge chairs made of by sweat shop workers in China and argue politics over dinner and a bottle of non-french wine and non-cuban cigars.
You might want to head out before my friends show up for our yearly PETA member hunt. It really is to bad Charlton Heston isn't as good of a shot as he used to be, he always made it interesting.
[SATIRE, n.
An obsolete kind of literary composition in which the vices and follies of the author's enemies were expounded with imperfect tenderness. ]
Given the fate of aid agency reps and Death tolls anti-war advocates are so keen of quoting.... Yes, I stand a better chance of a happy life.
This can best be answered by Quoting the Devils Dictionary:
SATAN: n;
One of the Creator's lamentable mistakes, repented in sashcloth and axes. Being instated as an archangel, Satan made himself multifariously objectionable and was finally expelled from Heaven. Halfway in his descent he paused, bent his head in thought a moment and at last went back. "There is one favor that I should like to ask," said he.
"Name it."
"Man, I understand, is about to be created. He will need laws."
"What, wretch! you his appointed adversary, charged from the dawn of eternity with hatred of his soul -- you ask for the right to make his laws?"
"Pardon; what I have to ask is that he be permitted to make them himself."
It was so ordered.
So, the correct response to your question. Yes, we were doomed from the start.