I used to use Mandrake exclusively for desktops and laptops. But at the company where I work, RedHat (7.2-7.3 for servers and 8.0-9.0 for desktops) is pretty much the standard (for Linux boxes, of course). But I have to say, I've become somewhat of a RedHat convert. I'll tell you why. The interface is cohesive throughout. Maybe I'm just not used to running a pure KDE or a pure Gnome desktop anymore, but everything just works with RH. My most recent experience with Mandrake 9.0 was just a couple of weeks ago. I purchased a new wide-screen laptop - Emachine M5310. Fantastic laptop, BTW. So I decided to give Mandrake another spin. The screen/monitor resolution for wide-screen was detected and configured automatically. Very nice. Power management, of course, was not, since the machine won't do apm. The mouse has this neat little scroll ribbon that didn't work. Couldn't for the life of me get it to work in Mandrake. So then I pulled out RH 9.0. Video would not work out of the box. I had to download new radeon drivers and change a line in/etc/XFree86Config. Then it worked nicely. I still had the power management issue in RH (why, oh why do distros not ship with APCI?). So one of these days I'll recompile. The mouse/ribbon worked out of the box. The other thing that just worked in RH, but didn't in Mandrake was the USB hub - the laptop has three USB ports as well as firewire. Mandrake would give all sorts of IRQ conflicts with the USB ports and wouldn't recognize the firewire port. RH got them all (well, the first time the laptop was booted fully in RH, kudzu came up and asked to configure firewire).
Overall, I have to say that at this point I prefer RH9.0. I know, you either love BlueCurve or hate it. I guess I've just gotten used to it. I really, really wanted to like Mandrake more, but RH just is a tighter package.
There are, of course, other things that don't work in either distro on this particular laptop, but I think RH has made greater gains for the desktop.
I would have agreed with you if we were talking about VMWare 3.xx. VMWare 4.xx is extremely heavy on resources.
If all you are looking for is a good way to reliably run Office apps (including Access), Crossover Office would be a much better choice (my own experience, anyway).
This is what happens when you post offtopic. The parent was modded as flaimbait, so I don't see it (by choice). Here we have a reply that really has nothing to do with media players and I end up lumping him in with the two idiots he's putting down:-)
This will probably mean that PostgreSQL will have a very hard time competing with MySQL !
I'm not so sure...
Most places I know that already use PostgreSQL (my place of employ included) have no intention of switching because it works as advertised.
I guess my real point is just because you hear more about MySQL doesn't necessarily mean that PostgreSQL isn't being deployed in businesses. Most of the time when I hear of MySQL it's in a web-site deployment context. The type of stuff we use PostgreSQL for goes beyond that context.
As if he cared for what a spammed family's kids will see when they check their mail.
I'll keep saying this until I'm blue in the face...
If you are worried about what your kid might/will see, make sure that you've had a chance to monitor it yourself. You, as a parent, have every right (and many would say, the responsibility) to do so.
Umm... I'll probably be modded down, but...
Developers aren't IT support. They're basically end users that shouldn't have to worry about keeping their desktops running (at least where I've ever worked).
I think that totally depends on whether people (ie: corps - because you know it won't be home users) have had prior experience with Sun, both recent and past. There was a time when Sun consistently put out great, rock-solid hardware. That time, for the most part, has passed. I've worked with Sun equipment for about 12 years now, and can tell you that the hardware is no where NEAR is good as it used to be. Couple that with a CEO who seems bent on throwing pot shots at Microsoft at every opportunity (usually within the first two minutes of any speech he gives), and people won't listen so much any more. Mention his name to any IT manager/director and you'll likely get 'Oh yeah... what's up with him? Can't he just let it go?' or something to that effect.
Or the end users being sued can look the judge squarely in the eye and say Sco is suing the wrong party. The judge will very likely agree and dismiss the case (at least in the US).
About the only way SCO would be able to successfully sue the end user in the US is by proving that the end user recieved the code from SCO. Not Redhat et all.
Years ago I worked for a health care management company that was bought out by a credit card processing company back in Richmond, VA. This company liked to insert the word One in all it's subsidiary companies' names (CapitalOne, HealthOne, etc.) This TOTALLY reminds me of that.
I don't know that even talking about windows 2003 is realistic at this point in time. If you are using any sort of production database, it most likely will not have been certified to run on 2003 yet - which means most companies will not have deployed it yet. I guess if you're running just MS products, you'd be fine, but that's probably the minority, not the majority.
As for your second comment that you doubt there'd be any more vulnerabilities for the rest of the year, again - I believe it's because it's not yet widely deployed. Give it some time. More vulnerabilities will show up. They always do (I'm not just talking windows here. Happens on every platform).
According to this page: http://www.tilltopps.com/index.php?menu=9.1&en g=1
Sweden has 300 glaciers, probably quite small, as you point out. They ARE, nonetheless, glaciers.
I also use webmail almost exclusively (I use OpenWebmail on my own server - it's got Unix maildir style files/folders, calendar, webdisk, etc). The one thing I kind of wish I had, even though I probably wouldn't use it that much, is offline use. But, since I use Linux for my desktop/laptop as well, my kludge is scp user@machine:/home/user/mail/home/user/mail and scp user@machine:/var/spool/mail/user/var/spool/mail/user. Probably not the most efficient, but, as long as I remember to sync somewhat regularly, I'm OK, and I have the added benefit of backing it up on another machine. One of these days, I guess I should look into only syncing what's been updated.
I have two cats that were initially pretty freaked out by the roomba. But that's because they couldn't really anticipate what it was doing/going to do. My regular vacuum cleaner is MUCH louder, so whenever I turned that on they'd run under the bed. The roomba is quiet enough that it gets their attention, but doesn't really scare them much (unless they lose focus on where it's going and it ends up running into one of them. I've seen a couple of spectacular flips because of this:-)
Now that they're pretty much used ot it, they start by following it around, then lose interest and go about their business.
Overall it's been pretty good. My place is mostly hardwood floors, with tile in the kitchen and a fairly thick rug in the living room. It has trouble with the think pile of the living room rug, but handles everything else beautifully.
I'm assuming you're using some form of windows.
You must realize that you have to do your own administration from time to time. Ever install/update your virus scan software? How about putting something like ZoneAlarm? And then make sure that the correct ports are correctly open/closed in the software? How about when you begin to think Windows is ruinning a bit slow? Ever have to go through your fonts and delete some of the unused fonts to speed up Windows?
Guess what? That's desktop adminsitration.
It's really no different with any modern Linux desktop.
I'm always amazed when people whine about administration when, in reality, that's what we all do on pretty much any platform.
Frankly, this is bull. You want facts?
Read http://microsuck.com/content/whatsbad.shtml
Frankly, your link is more opinion than facts.
Does anybody really believe that a site named microsuck.com (and the index page titled fuckMicrosoft.com) would contain legitimate information?
The site does contain some good information, but will most likely get lost in the page owner's piss-poor attitude.
My guess is your boss really didn't want it in the first place. But, you can always continue to try and convince him. Do you have any spare boxes at work? You can still set something up for you and/or your department. Put all your files there. Let your boss actually get under the hood (assuming he's a hands-on manager). Set up a small web server just for your department. Put postgres on it and make a small database of whatever... inventory, trouble tickets. I can almost guaurantee that if your boss has a half-way open mind about open source software, he'll let you continue to use it.
If you're the sort that doesn't have the wherewithal to put any of that together yourself, you can easily find ready-made packages out there that will do all this, courtesy of the OSS community. And when the time comes that you do want to learn more about it, you'll have a decent enough foundation from which to learn, since you have the source code.
It's really sad... the 80's are a time that should be forgotten, not rejoiced
Every generation says this about one of their decades. While the 80's perhaps didn't produce rock music, it did produce a lot of synth pop, which was the result of a technological breakthrough for musicians. Before the 80's it was virtually impossible for a musician with a meager budget to produce record quality demos.
You know, I really like the idea of having a CD of nothing but OSS -always have, since the idea first came about. But does anybody else wince when they see Alpha of RCxx next to a software title listed on the CD? That's also part of the problem with the perception of OSS - that the software is never quite finished.
You must enjoy going to work everyday. Me personally, I prefer to show people that don't know much about Linux or Open Source what the stuff can/can't do, instead of carrying myself around the office like some l337 jerk.
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I used to use Mandrake exclusively for desktops and laptops. But at the company where I work, RedHat (7.2-7.3 for servers and 8.0-9.0 for desktops) is pretty much the standard (for Linux boxes, of course). But I have to say, I've become somewhat of a RedHat convert. I'll tell you why. The interface is cohesive throughout. Maybe I'm just not used to running a pure KDE or a pure Gnome desktop anymore, but everything just works with RH. My most recent experience with Mandrake 9.0 was just a couple of weeks ago. I purchased a new wide-screen laptop - Emachine M5310. Fantastic laptop, BTW. So I decided to give Mandrake another spin. The screen/monitor resolution for wide-screen was detected and configured automatically. Very nice. Power management, of course, was not, since the machine won't do apm. The mouse has this neat little scroll ribbon that didn't work. Couldn't for the life of me get it to work in Mandrake. So then I pulled out RH 9.0. Video would not work out of the box. I had to download new radeon drivers and change a line in /etc/XFree86Config. Then it worked nicely. I still had the power management issue in RH (why, oh why do distros not ship with APCI?). So one of these days I'll recompile. The mouse/ribbon worked out of the box. The other thing that just worked in RH, but didn't in Mandrake was the USB hub - the laptop has three USB ports as well as firewire. Mandrake would give all sorts of IRQ conflicts with the USB ports and wouldn't recognize the firewire port. RH got them all (well, the first time the laptop was booted fully in RH, kudzu came up and asked to configure firewire).
Overall, I have to say that at this point I prefer RH9.0. I know, you either love BlueCurve or hate it. I guess I've just gotten used to it. I really, really wanted to like Mandrake more, but RH just is a tighter package.
There are, of course, other things that don't work in either distro on this particular laptop, but I think RH has made greater gains for the desktop.
I would have agreed with you if we were talking about VMWare 3.xx. VMWare 4.xx is extremely heavy on resources.
If all you are looking for is a good way to reliably run Office apps (including Access), Crossover Office would be a much better choice (my own experience, anyway).
This is what happens when you post offtopic. The parent was modded as flaimbait, so I don't see it (by choice). Here we have a reply that really has nothing to do with media players and I end up lumping him in with the two idiots he's putting down :-)
I would hopefully be long-retired at age 76 by then anyway.
1. put CD in high tech shreader
2. use as packing material
3. profit?
3. put packing material in trash and watch trash people cart said trash to land fill.
4. uh...
This will probably mean that PostgreSQL will have a very hard time competing with MySQL ! I'm not so sure... Most places I know that already use PostgreSQL (my place of employ included) have no intention of switching because it works as advertised. I guess my real point is just because you hear more about MySQL doesn't necessarily mean that PostgreSQL isn't being deployed in businesses. Most of the time when I hear of MySQL it's in a web-site deployment context. The type of stuff we use PostgreSQL for goes beyond that context.
I can't speak for exim, but I know for postfix, sendmail is just a link to postfix (on RH).
Umm... I'll probably be modded down, but... Developers aren't IT support. They're basically end users that shouldn't have to worry about keeping their desktops running (at least where I've ever worked).
I think that totally depends on whether people (ie: corps - because you know it won't be home users) have had prior experience with Sun, both recent and past. There was a time when Sun consistently put out great, rock-solid hardware. That time, for the most part, has passed. I've worked with Sun equipment for about 12 years now, and can tell you that the hardware is no where NEAR is good as it used to be. Couple that with a CEO who seems bent on throwing pot shots at Microsoft at every opportunity (usually within the first two minutes of any speech he gives), and people won't listen so much any more. Mention his name to any IT manager/director and you'll likely get 'Oh yeah... what's up with him? Can't he just let it go?' or something to that effect.
Or the end users being sued can look the judge squarely in the eye and say Sco is suing the wrong party. The judge will very likely agree and dismiss the case (at least in the US). About the only way SCO would be able to successfully sue the end user in the US is by proving that the end user recieved the code from SCO. Not Redhat et all.
Years ago I worked for a health care management company that was bought out by a credit card processing company back in Richmond, VA. This company liked to insert the word One in all it's subsidiary companies' names (CapitalOne, HealthOne, etc.) This TOTALLY reminds me of that.
I don't know that even talking about windows 2003 is realistic at this point in time. If you are using any sort of production database, it most likely will not have been certified to run on 2003 yet - which means most companies will not have deployed it yet. I guess if you're running just MS products, you'd be fine, but that's probably the minority, not the majority. As for your second comment that you doubt there'd be any more vulnerabilities for the rest of the year, again - I believe it's because it's not yet widely deployed. Give it some time. More vulnerabilities will show up. They always do (I'm not just talking windows here. Happens on every platform).
According to this page: http://www.tilltopps.com/index.php?menu=9.1&en g=1 Sweden has 300 glaciers, probably quite small, as you point out. They ARE, nonetheless, glaciers.
I also use webmail almost exclusively (I use OpenWebmail on my own server - it's got Unix maildir style files/folders, calendar, webdisk, etc). The one thing I kind of wish I had, even though I probably wouldn't use it that much, is offline use. But, since I use Linux for my desktop/laptop as well, my kludge is scp user@machine:/home/user/mail /home/user/mail and scp user@machine:/var/spool/mail/user /var/spool/mail/user. Probably not the most efficient, but, as long as I remember to sync somewhat regularly, I'm OK, and I have the added benefit of backing it up on another machine. One of these days, I guess I should look into only syncing what's been updated.
I have two cats that were initially pretty freaked out by the roomba. But that's because they couldn't really anticipate what it was doing/going to do. My regular vacuum cleaner is MUCH louder, so whenever I turned that on they'd run under the bed. The roomba is quiet enough that it gets their attention, but doesn't really scare them much (unless they lose focus on where it's going and it ends up running into one of them. I've seen a couple of spectacular flips because of this :-)
Now that they're pretty much used ot it, they start by following it around, then lose interest and go about their business.
Overall it's been pretty good. My place is mostly hardwood floors, with tile in the kitchen and a fairly thick rug in the living room. It has trouble with the think pile of the living room rug, but handles everything else beautifully.
I'm assuming you're using some form of windows. You must realize that you have to do your own administration from time to time. Ever install/update your virus scan software? How about putting something like ZoneAlarm? And then make sure that the correct ports are correctly open/closed in the software? How about when you begin to think Windows is ruinning a bit slow? Ever have to go through your fonts and delete some of the unused fonts to speed up Windows? Guess what? That's desktop adminsitration. It's really no different with any modern Linux desktop. I'm always amazed when people whine about administration when, in reality, that's what we all do on pretty much any platform.
My guess is your boss really didn't want it in the first place. But, you can always continue to try and convince him. Do you have any spare boxes at work? You can still set something up for you and/or your department. Put all your files there. Let your boss actually get under the hood (assuming he's a hands-on manager). Set up a small web server just for your department. Put postgres on it and make a small database of whatever... inventory, trouble tickets. I can almost guaurantee that if your boss has a half-way open mind about open source software, he'll let you continue to use it. If you're the sort that doesn't have the wherewithal to put any of that together yourself, you can easily find ready-made packages out there that will do all this, courtesy of the OSS community. And when the time comes that you do want to learn more about it, you'll have a decent enough foundation from which to learn, since you have the source code.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Photoshop is STILL a windows program. I think that's his point.
You know, I really like the idea of having a CD of nothing but OSS -always have, since the idea first came about. But does anybody else wince when they see Alpha of RCxx next to a software title listed on the CD? That's also part of the problem with the perception of OSS - that the software is never quite finished.
You must enjoy going to work everyday. Me personally, I prefer to show people that don't know much about Linux or Open Source what the stuff can/can't do, instead of carrying myself around the office like some l337 jerk.