No, Bill McGreedy can't just pay you $1. They have to hire you. Making a donation and retaining your services are two different things, and the language is making a distinction about that.
On top of that, once a home theater projector has been actually set up to show video instead of full-torch-on data, it's often more around 300 or 400 lumens of projected image.
I have seen a problem similar to that with the Acrobat Reader plugin. However, that doesn't mean it's related to yours at all. So here's a start:
-What plugins? -How many windows and tabs open? -How big of a page does it take for a 94% spike, and how long is the spike? (the example page you gave takes around 6 seconds to render on my 1.6 gig P4 on a freshly started copy) -Have you started with a clean profile? -What extensions? -What OS? -Do you have any 'internet security' software running?
There are lots of details to even get close to trying to isolate some problem as nebulous as this. If you want to get involved, spend money or time to do it. If not, many people (including myself) would believe that you don't have a right to complain.
Also, read this. Yeah, I know ESR is socially stunted, but that document really does tell you how to ask a quality question.
You don't mention the link you can use to recreate the problem anywhere in the bug. I'm not surprised your bug was closed: you were describing a pathological use case and a variety of poorly-associated bugs.
That said, at least here, I cannot recreate your problem unless I do a truly pathological use case. If I attempt to open that document simultaneously in ten tabs, Firefox eventually consumes all available virtual memory and is silently shut down by the system. No system crash (system crashes are a Windows bug anyway, not a Firefox bug - but you knew that). I just opened and closed that document in a new tab a dozen times, though, and Firefox actually ended up with less memory usage than when I started.
This is Firefox 1.5 on Windows XP. I'm using the extensions SessionSaver, Adblock Plus, EasyGestures, and Adblock Filterset.G Updater. I have disabled Java but do have the PDF and Windows Media plugins installed. Currently there are 14 tabs open in one window.
Just on a lark I went ahead and just now opened it another four times at once in background tabs. Not only was I still able to type in this comment window, but CPU usage was high for about the amount of time I expected, and when I closed the four tabs memory usage went down to very, very close to what it was when I started.
I think there are a few things going on here:
- You write bad bug reports. You may be excellent at many other things; this isn't a personal judgement of you. But you did not give a repeatable test case, you gave very few details of your configuration and you did not describe symptoms completely. - Firefox has steadily improved since you started writing this bug report. There were lots of tiny bugs that have been stomped. Developers know that it still leaks memory and get tired of hearing that. They are fixing more memory leak bugs. However, even with 1.0.7 I could go through hundreds of tabs over a week and not have to restart it due to memory use. - You are doing a pathological use case. I would suggest that hundreds of windows or instances of any application is likely to expose bugs that are otherwise considered very minor.
All of this is going to make it hard to figure things out. Good luck yammering about it - eventually you will just get completely ignored, because paying attention to you in the past hasn't been productive.
You're wasting your breath. I spent minutes of my life I will never get back - he seems to think that 14 windows with a half-dozen tabs per, some of which contain PDFs, shouldn't ever crash. They probably shouldn't, but not at any reasonable development cost.
It's interesting to me to compare a Coralized link to a non-Coralized one. The last few times this link hit Slashdot or a similar high-volume site, the server basically went to 100% CPU doing dynamic content but never got particularly slow - I have it set up to throttle at around 3 megabits, and for that traffic mix, it kept it from ever getting sluggish. Currently, the direct site is still fast, and the Coral cache is a little slower, but it's nice to see that this time I'm only shipping out about a megabit, mostly the dynamic pages.
They have 'cafe accounts'. Basically it's X amount of free access per 24 hours. The first login is a redirect to whatever page you want, and with a little code fragment on there someone can turn on WiFi outside of the walled garden. Their default built-in page only works with IE but the code fragment is browser-agnostic.
Anyway, seems like a reasonable solution... if people want to freeload, they can, just only for X amount of time per day. We're setting it up so that people can also sign up for full-day or full-month unlimited access at a reasonable rate. Put in your CC# on our walled garden server, set your username, get a password, and you've got instant access for however many days you bought.
Well, if that really is the value, then one could presumably make a lifetime subscription. If you invested $1800 at 2.9% (an entirely reasonable rate of return) you could take $5 a month from it for just shy of 70 years. Make that $1900 and you could do it effectively forever, in lifetime terms. I've spent over $1900 on CDs. As far as I can see that's a reasonable subscription price if the service is worth $5/month. Of course, what if the cost of subscription goes up over time? With a 6.5% ROR you can withdraw $10/month forever. Since you'd be starting at $5/month, I don't see why you wouldn't end up with a larger account in a few years - big enough to accept the eventual price hikes. In other words, it's entirely possible to figure out the value of a lifetime subscription, which is much lower than the cost the RIAA likes to use.
I'm using an FX5200 with the fan unplugged. Never even had a glitch with it, and I have used it for what passes for 3D on that card, even for hours at a time. Since I always seem to like three year old games anyway it's hardly been a bottleneck. Actually, in a system with an Athlon64 with near-silent Zalman cooler and Super Tornado power supply, the drives are the loudest thing going - and they're Seagate 7200.7s.
Manguson-Moss Warranty Act. Totally illegal, has been for 8 years or so. Just went through this with a car part that had a 3 year warranty. Of course, they can require proof of purchase...
I'm curious if that's entirely legal. The Magnusun-Moss Warranty Act prohibits registration cards for the activation of warranties. Does AppleCare fall under that same sort of provision?
Some banks do that. My USAA account has a username, password, and PIN. You can access most of the information with just the username and password, but you need the PIN to make any changes or make payments.
He quoted that. It's listed as a 372.69 watt power supply. That's no 500 watt listing, unless they're now rating power supplies by input wattage instead of output wattage.
I don't get it. We have a local Adult Contemporary station that I, as a 25yo male, actually find quite good. Why? Because they play deep tracks. New music. Concert recordings. Live performances in studio. Sure, they're probably making a little less than if they just stuck to the straight format - or they might be making more, simply because they're the only station in the market that's doing anything close to that! In fact, they release a CD of their in-studio live performances every year, and it's consistantly a good regional seller. It often sells out their production run in a few weeks. And where am I most likely to hear a new song that will be hitting the 'alternative' stations, or maybe the 'new rock' stations, in a few weeks? Yep. You guessed it. But they play so many things that will never make it to those other stations.
Actually, when I'm away from my car, all I listen to is my music, on my Rio Karma. But when I'm driving, if I can get their station, they're on my radio. If I can't, it's NPR. Why? Because everything else on the radio is over-targeted. There really are only so many times one can hear Hotel California.
I don't know what Windows page you looked at, but I'd say if there is a bias, it's very subtle. Generally it seems to point out the improvements and changes that happened at each level.
Which 7? You listed 7, but you counted MP3 and VBR MP3 seperately. Okay, here goes, using the same sort of math for the Rio: WAV, MP3, VBR MP3, WMA, WMDRM, OGG, CBR OGG, FLAC. Bingo, the Rio plays 8 formats. C'mon.
Never bothered me. But then, I bought a laptop that doesn't have a cooling fan, and it seems to work fine. If I play 3d games on carpet the graphics start to glitch after a couple of hours...
voip01:~# ping -c 4 0.0.0.0 PING 0.0.0.0 (127.0.0.1) from 127.0.0.1 : 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.052 ms 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.014 ms 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=0.013 ms 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=4 ttl=64 time=0.013 ms
--- 0.0.0.0 ping statistics --- 4 packets transmitted, 4 received, 0% loss, time 2997ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.013/0.023/0.052/0.016 ms voip01:~# uname -a Linux voip01 2.4.26-1-686-smp #1 SMP Sun May 2 19:39:21 CEST 2004 i686 unknown voip01:~#
Look at a VW. I'm 6'7" and can hardly reach the pedals when I put the seat all the way back in mine. They do have some odd technical problems, usually body and electrical, but the drivetrains are solid for the most part. I just replaced my clutch with 155k on the original and plan to get that much on the rest of the engine+transmission.
I just looked at my last month's electric bill. Totaled $15.29 for 185kwh, or 8.26 cents per kwh. But that includes a $5.50 'customer charge' which I pay regardless of usage, so the actual marginal rate is 5.29 cents per kwh, inclusive of all taxes.
If you would like a 360PE, I have been trying to find someone who would appreciate it. The one I have has been upgraded to 36 megabytes of memory, has a spare pen, a Dock I, and works fine. It's got Pen Windows 95 loaded on it, but I think I have the Pen Windows 3.11 disks with it as well.
Good thing you can't get that information anywhere else or there'd be real trouble. Interestingly enough, the 2002 version has been covered over somewhat. So perhaps this is just a post-9/11 scare.
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No, Bill McGreedy can't just pay you $1. They have to hire you. Making a donation and retaining your services are two different things, and the language is making a distinction about that.
On top of that, once a home theater projector has been actually set up to show video instead of full-torch-on data, it's often more around 300 or 400 lumens of projected image.
I have seen a problem similar to that with the Acrobat Reader plugin. However, that doesn't mean it's related to yours at all. So here's a start:
-What plugins?
-How many windows and tabs open?
-How big of a page does it take for a 94% spike, and how long is the spike? (the example page you gave takes around 6 seconds to render on my 1.6 gig P4 on a freshly started copy)
-Have you started with a clean profile?
-What extensions?
-What OS?
-Do you have any 'internet security' software running?
There are lots of details to even get close to trying to isolate some problem as nebulous as this. If you want to get involved, spend money or time to do it. If not, many people (including myself) would believe that you don't have a right to complain.
Also, read this. Yeah, I know ESR is socially stunted, but that document really does tell you how to ask a quality question.
I read your bug.
You don't mention the link you can use to recreate the problem anywhere in the bug. I'm not surprised your bug was closed: you were describing a pathological use case and a variety of poorly-associated bugs.
That said, at least here, I cannot recreate your problem unless I do a truly pathological use case. If I attempt to open that document simultaneously in ten tabs, Firefox eventually consumes all available virtual memory and is silently shut down by the system. No system crash (system crashes are a Windows bug anyway, not a Firefox bug - but you knew that). I just opened and closed that document in a new tab a dozen times, though, and Firefox actually ended up with less memory usage than when I started.
This is Firefox 1.5 on Windows XP. I'm using the extensions SessionSaver, Adblock Plus, EasyGestures, and Adblock Filterset.G Updater. I have disabled Java but do have the PDF and Windows Media plugins installed. Currently there are 14 tabs open in one window.
Just on a lark I went ahead and just now opened it another four times at once in background tabs. Not only was I still able to type in this comment window, but CPU usage was high for about the amount of time I expected, and when I closed the four tabs memory usage went down to very, very close to what it was when I started.
I think there are a few things going on here:
- You write bad bug reports. You may be excellent at many other things; this isn't a personal judgement of you. But you did not give a repeatable test case, you gave very few details of your configuration and you did not describe symptoms completely.
- Firefox has steadily improved since you started writing this bug report. There were lots of tiny bugs that have been stomped. Developers know that it still leaks memory and get tired of hearing that. They are fixing more memory leak bugs. However, even with 1.0.7 I could go through hundreds of tabs over a week and not have to restart it due to memory use.
- You are doing a pathological use case. I would suggest that hundreds of windows or instances of any application is likely to expose bugs that are otherwise considered very minor.
All of this is going to make it hard to figure things out. Good luck yammering about it - eventually you will just get completely ignored, because paying attention to you in the past hasn't been productive.
-Keith
You're wasting your breath. I spent minutes of my life I will never get back - he seems to think that 14 windows with a half-dozen tabs per, some of which contain PDFs, shouldn't ever crash. They probably shouldn't, but not at any reasonable development cost.
It's interesting to me to compare a Coralized link to a non-Coralized one. The last few times this link hit Slashdot or a similar high-volume site, the server basically went to 100% CPU doing dynamic content but never got particularly slow - I have it set up to throttle at around 3 megabits, and for that traffic mix, it kept it from ever getting sluggish. Currently, the direct site is still fast, and the Coral cache is a little slower, but it's nice to see that this time I'm only shipping out about a megabit, mostly the dynamic pages.
Fun stuff!
They have 'cafe accounts'. Basically it's X amount of free access per 24 hours. The first login is a redirect to whatever page you want, and with a little code fragment on there someone can turn on WiFi outside of the walled garden. Their default built-in page only works with IE but the code fragment is browser-agnostic.
... if people want to freeload, they can, just only for X amount of time per day. We're setting it up so that people can also sign up for full-day or full-month unlimited access at a reasonable rate. Put in your CC# on our walled garden server, set your username, get a password, and you've got instant access for however many days you bought.
Anyway, seems like a reasonable solution
Well, if that really is the value, then one could presumably make a lifetime subscription. If you invested $1800 at 2.9% (an entirely reasonable rate of return) you could take $5 a month from it for just shy of 70 years. Make that $1900 and you could do it effectively forever, in lifetime terms. I've spent over $1900 on CDs. As far as I can see that's a reasonable subscription price if the service is worth $5/month. Of course, what if the cost of subscription goes up over time? With a 6.5% ROR you can withdraw $10/month forever. Since you'd be starting at $5/month, I don't see why you wouldn't end up with a larger account in a few years - big enough to accept the eventual price hikes. In other words, it's entirely possible to figure out the value of a lifetime subscription, which is much lower than the cost the RIAA likes to use.
I'm using an FX5200 with the fan unplugged. Never even had a glitch with it, and I have used it for what passes for 3D on that card, even for hours at a time. Since I always seem to like three year old games anyway it's hardly been a bottleneck. Actually, in a system with an Athlon64 with near-silent Zalman cooler and Super Tornado power supply, the drives are the loudest thing going - and they're Seagate 7200.7s.
Manguson-Moss Warranty Act. Totally illegal, has been for 8 years or so. Just went through this with a car part that had a 3 year warranty. Of course, they can require proof of purchase ...
I'm curious if that's entirely legal. The Magnusun-Moss Warranty Act prohibits registration cards for the activation of warranties. Does AppleCare fall under that same sort of provision?
And yeah, that was bad customer service.
Some banks do that. My USAA account has a username, password, and PIN. You can access most of the information with just the username and password, but you need the PIN to make any changes or make payments.
They also spam.
Or rather, send out marketing e-mails after you've specifically made sure to uncheck the 'send me newsletters' checkboxes.
Dude, did you even look it up?
He quoted that. It's listed as a 372.69 watt power supply. That's no 500 watt listing, unless they're now rating power supplies by input wattage instead of output wattage.
I don't get it. We have a local Adult Contemporary station that I, as a 25yo male, actually find quite good. Why? Because they play deep tracks. New music. Concert recordings. Live performances in studio. Sure, they're probably making a little less than if they just stuck to the straight format - or they might be making more, simply because they're the only station in the market that's doing anything close to that! In fact, they release a CD of their in-studio live performances every year, and it's consistantly a good regional seller. It often sells out their production run in a few weeks. And where am I most likely to hear a new song that will be hitting the 'alternative' stations, or maybe the 'new rock' stations, in a few weeks? Yep. You guessed it. But they play so many things that will never make it to those other stations.
Actually, when I'm away from my car, all I listen to is my music, on my Rio Karma. But when I'm driving, if I can get their station, they're on my radio. If I can't, it's NPR. Why? Because everything else on the radio is over-targeted. There really are only so many times one can hear Hotel California.
I don't know what Windows page you looked at, but I'd say if there is a bias, it's very subtle. Generally it seems to point out the improvements and changes that happened at each level.
Which 7? You listed 7, but you counted MP3 and VBR MP3 seperately. Okay, here goes, using the same sort of math for the Rio: WAV, MP3, VBR MP3, WMA, WMDRM, OGG, CBR OGG, FLAC. Bingo, the Rio plays 8 formats. C'mon.
Never bothered me. But then, I bought a laptop that doesn't have a cooling fan, and it seems to work fine. If I play 3d games on carpet the graphics start to glitch after a couple of hours ...
voip01:~# ping -c 4 0.0.0.0
PING 0.0.0.0 (127.0.0.1) from 127.0.0.1 : 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.052 ms
64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.014 ms
64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=0.013 ms
64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=4 ttl=64 time=0.013 ms
--- 0.0.0.0 ping statistics ---
4 packets transmitted, 4 received, 0% loss, time 2997ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.013/0.023/0.052/0.016 ms
voip01:~# uname -a
Linux voip01 2.4.26-1-686-smp #1 SMP Sun May 2 19:39:21 CEST 2004 i686 unknown
voip01:~#
Look at a VW. I'm 6'7" and can hardly reach the pedals when I put the seat all the way back in mine. They do have some odd technical problems, usually body and electrical, but the drivetrains are solid for the most part. I just replaced my clutch with 155k on the original and plan to get that much on the rest of the engine+transmission.
I just looked at my last month's electric bill. Totaled $15.29 for 185kwh, or 8.26 cents per kwh. But that includes a $5.50 'customer charge' which I pay regardless of usage, so the actual marginal rate is 5.29 cents per kwh, inclusive of all taxes.
Almost forgot: my e-mail is my username@my username.net.
If you would like a 360PE, I have been trying to find someone who would appreciate it. The one I have has been upgraded to 36 megabytes of memory, has a spare pen, a Dock I, and works fine. It's got Pen Windows 95 loaded on it, but I think I have the Pen Windows 3.11 disks with it as well.
Good thing you can't get that information anywhere else or there'd be real trouble. Interestingly enough, the 2002 version has been covered over somewhat. So perhaps this is just a post-9/11 scare.
So, let's say (off the wall) that Iraq had 1000 terrorists that would attack us on our homeland. This seems high.
...
Iraq has 24 million people living there.
So you bomb this particular country, you kill half the terrorists, and 12 million people?
I'd like to perform laser eye surgery on you. Let me just get my grenade ready