Reverse the situation. If Activision priced Modern Warfare 2 at $350... there would still be a lot of people out there who would want the game... but could not afford it.
They can either buy another game at $50... or they can pirate it.
But I do think there is concern by companies that even if they were to lower prices... would the market buy enough volume to warrant the price reduction.
Right but those things, student versions etc...do not stop piracy.
People still pirate photoshop obviously.
Why?
Price still is a factor obviously. People dont want elements, they want photoshop.
I do think Adobe has probably figured out the math on this... but it doesnt mean that the results were bad. It may just be that they havent tried the "$50 photoshop" plan yet simply out of fear that it might not work... or perhaps such a change in price would take time to win people over with pirated copies.
It maybe just that they're not willing to gamble... even though the numbers may look good.
Its an interesting subject because the solution would seem to be lower prices.
Look at itunes... It hasnt stopped piracy... but it is a successful business model.
Common people all know of photoshop. It is what people refer to whenever an image is retouched. People know photoshop like people around the world know coca cola and levis.
It is the tool... and it doesnt just apply to professionals. It applies to hobbiests, students etc. There are many people who work professionally with photoshop that got their start with pirated versions.
I'm not asking if photoshop is for the common man or not. It is the standard that everyone knows about... but what i'm asking is if anyone has done the numbers to see if lowering the cost of a program so that it could be as wide spread and as accessable as a coca cola.... would that amount to more profit or not?
The market is there... they just cant afford the current prices.
I wonder if anyone has done the math on this... but if you lowered the price of Photoshop to $50... would it create more profit than at its current price $669? (amazon)
At $60, Modern Warfare 2 made around 1.3 Billion dollars, and they continue to sell new copies...
I would imagine that the amount of people that use photoshop out number those who play Modern Warfare 2. Even the most of casual users who dont even have photoshop skills...
It just seems like there is a lot of money to be made if only they lowered prices on software. The market is there. Everyone has a computer.... the problem is that they cant afford all of the software.
Again has anyone done the math? Is it possible that selling more units, at a lower price would earn more profit?
Shouldnt we get a credit towards the final game if we buy the demo?
Or do they expect us to pay twice? Why do I think they will just make us pay twice.... Because they can.
Sorry. I'll skip the demo's all together then... oh wait.. thats fucking me over too.
No thanks. FREE DEMOS or go fuck yourself.
I think pay per demo, will hurt the industry more than help.
In theory they really want the old days back when you just had to buy the game and pray it was good. They want your money even if the game sucks. Thats the bottom line. They dont want to give you any advantage when it comes to purchasing a product that is of value.
If you beat someone up with a bat, wouldnt it be silly if a court ordered you to stay away from baseball games, sporting good stores, and ban you from every owning a bat again?
massive unemployment and off shoring our entire manufacturing base, killing the dollar value, and refusing to do whats best for Americans... is what has been causing problems.
Not true at all. Graphics are 75% of the experience. Gameplay evolves very slowly, while graphics evolves faster and they are a driving force in the "new experience" factor that we seek in games.
For example: I may love game A.. but imagine game A with even better graphics!!! I'd take that over game B with older graphics.... that is unless game B has some new gameplay I love... which I will love even more when the new version of Game B comes out with even better graphics!!!:)
Just look at Modern Warfare 2. It looks far better than Bad Company 2 which uses DX11.
Bad Company 2 relies heavily on shader fx, but the geometry and textures are poor. Modern Warfare 2 on the other hand has very detailed environments, detailed characters, weapons and animations... it manages to look better through images and geometry.. rather than shader fx.
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nah... The market is there.
Reverse the situation. If Activision priced Modern Warfare 2 at $350... there would still be a lot of people out there who would want the game... but could not afford it.
They can either buy another game at $50... or they can pirate it.
But I do think there is concern by companies that even if they were to lower prices... would the market buy enough volume to warrant the price reduction.
Right but those things, student versions etc...do not stop piracy.
People still pirate photoshop obviously.
Why?
Price still is a factor obviously. People dont want elements, they want photoshop.
I do think Adobe has probably figured out the math on this... but it doesnt mean that the results were bad. It may just be that they havent tried the "$50 photoshop" plan yet simply out of fear that it might not work... or perhaps such a change in price would take time to win people over with pirated copies.
It maybe just that they're not willing to gamble... even though the numbers may look good.
Its an interesting subject because the solution would seem to be lower prices.
Look at itunes... It hasnt stopped piracy... but it is a successful business model.
Common people all know of photoshop. It is what people refer to whenever an image is retouched. People know photoshop like people around the world know coca cola and levis.
It is the tool... and it doesnt just apply to professionals. It applies to hobbiests, students etc. There are many people who work professionally with photoshop that got their start with pirated versions.
I'm not asking if photoshop is for the common man or not. It is the standard that everyone knows about... but what i'm asking is if anyone has done the numbers to see if lowering the cost of a program so that it could be as wide spread and as accessable as a coca cola.... would that amount to more profit or not?
Lowering Prices is the solution.
The market is there... they just cant afford the current prices.
I wonder if anyone has done the math on this... but if you lowered the price of Photoshop to $50... would it create more profit than at its current price $669? (amazon)
At $60, Modern Warfare 2 made around 1.3 Billion dollars, and they continue to sell new copies...
I would imagine that the amount of people that use photoshop out number those who play Modern Warfare 2. Even the most of casual users who dont even have photoshop skills...
It just seems like there is a lot of money to be made if only they lowered prices on software. The market is there. Everyone has a computer.... the problem is that they cant afford all of the software.
Again has anyone done the math? Is it possible that selling more units, at a lower price would earn more profit?
On face value it would seem to be so.
Well boys... Its a lovely ship, I hope you go down with it.
-Mel Brooks (Spaceballs)
So you buy the demo... and then you buy the game?
Shouldnt we get a credit towards the final game if we buy the demo?
Or do they expect us to pay twice? Why do I think they will just make us pay twice.... Because they can.
Sorry. I'll skip the demo's all together then... oh wait.. thats fucking me over too.
No thanks. FREE DEMOS or go fuck yourself.
I think pay per demo, will hurt the industry more than help.
In theory they really want the old days back when you just had to buy the game and pray it was good. They want your money even if the game sucks. Thats the bottom line. They dont want to give you any advantage when it comes to purchasing a product that is of value.
They want you to pay and pray.
Fuck em.
I thought we were capitalists... Fuck human rights...
Put every child to work... who gives a fuck. There is massive profits to be made using slave labor.
BTW that was the motto of every American / Multi National Corporation the past 20 years.
Enjoy our shit economy in the US with high health insurance rates, no jobs.... and most of all, your overpriced microsoft / Logitech mice.
The wealthy elite always wanted Slavery...
Penguin Penguin... oh poor Penguin
Imagine Microsoft denying Apple the right to code Flash for windows or IE specifically.
Its about time Apple got sued for doing the same evil... if not more evil than Microsoft gets accused of doing.
Funny, i thought they looked 13.
If you fuck up FIOS, Verizon will lose EVERY GOOD WORD that it has earned by FIOS's oustanding service.
Cap/Throttle FIOS users at your own peril. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.
We sure did...
Its too bad we're all demand and everyone else is the supply.
I think we failed our own economy by selling it out
Bin Laden is a huge Mac Geek!
I've dropped my Iphone a million times, no screen protection... its a trooper. They can take a beating. No scratches either.
A couple dings on the side bezel though ;)
Single Payer universal health care and Guns rule!
If you beat someone up with a bat, wouldnt it be silly if a court ordered you to stay away from baseball games, sporting good stores, and ban you from every owning a bat again?
massive unemployment and off shoring our entire manufacturing base, killing the dollar value, and refusing to do whats best for Americans... is what has been causing problems.
Look at china, they pirate because they're poor.
America is becoming poor.
I know what you're talking about. Its sad and pathetic all at once. Our country desires slavery more than well being.
Very true.
The nazi's used to feed and clothe its youth...
This to me reads as "Warner Brothers is ripping off intelligent college students"
Keep your shitty check. If you want to pay people to do your dirty work, you better pay them a damn good wage.
I dont know of any US or UK mercenaries who work for minimum wage.
All anyone would need to do is simply encrypt header titles that are only viewable in specific programs correctly
Then they cant filter them.... and you know they dont want to filter them anyways ;)
First rule about Usenet... dont talk about Usenet.
There is no way desktops are on their way out. Powerhouse machines will always be needed.
Not true at all. Graphics are 75% of the experience. Gameplay evolves very slowly, while graphics evolves faster and they are a driving force in the "new experience" factor that we seek in games.
For example: I may love game A.. but imagine game A with even better graphics!!! I'd take that over game B with older graphics.... that is unless game B has some new gameplay I love... which I will love even more when the new version of Game B comes out with even better graphics!!! :)
Just look at Modern Warfare 2. It looks far better than Bad Company 2 which uses DX11.
Bad Company 2 relies heavily on shader fx, but the geometry and textures are poor. Modern Warfare 2 on the other hand has very detailed environments, detailed characters, weapons and animations... it manages to look better through images and geometry.. rather than shader fx.
give me a break.
600K a YEAR?