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Rupert Murdoch Hates Google, Loves the iPad

Hugh Pickens writes "The Register reports that News Corp boss Rupert Murdoch, speaking at the National Press Club in Washington, reiterated his disgust at how search engines handle news and called on old media to rethink how their stories are distributed on the web. 'It's produced a river of gold, but those words are being taken mostly from the newspapers,' said Rupert. 'I think they ought to stop it, that the newspapers ought to stand up and let them do their own reporting.' Murdoch added that the iPad was a 'wonderful tool' for listening to music, watching videos and reading newspapers. 'It may well be the saving of the newspaper industry,' by making it cheaper to distribute content to a broader audience, Murdoch said. 'I'm old, I like the tactile experience of the newspaper,' Murdoch said. '(But) if you have less newspapers and more of these, that's OK. It doesn't destroy the traditional newspaper, it just comes in a different form.'"

412 comments

  1. Endorsement by Dyinobal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is sort of like an Endorsement from Satan right?

    1. Re:Endorsement by gad_zuki! · · Score: 4, Funny

      Right, except there's a logic to his madness. Murdoch loves the idea of people paying 15 dollars a month to read foxnews.com or the WSJ on the ipad. Its a tempting offer, I hear every new subscriber gets a free vial of Glenn Beck's tears and a used mustache comb once owned by Geraldo Rivera.

    2. Re:Endorsement by mysidia · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, it's like an Endorsement from Beelzebub.

      The CEO of Microsoft didn't endorse it, at least not yet, that I know of.

    3. Re:Endorsement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You bet - I mean wouldn't he like to stop people from sharing a paper in a household

    4. Re:Endorsement by Jurily · · Score: 2, Informative

      He did, it just got drowned out by the sound of breaking chairs.

    5. Re:Endorsement by mjwx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Right, except there's a logic to his madness. Murdoch loves the idea of people paying 15 dollars a month to read foxnews.com or the WSJ on the ipad.

      For once Murdoch and I have something in common. I'd love to see all Murdoch's sited completely covered by a paywall, I long for the day when I wont accidentally stumble across one of his poorly written tabloids which contains little more then thinly veiled propaganda.

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    6. Re:Endorsement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      do no good

    7. Re:Endorsement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful


      I long for the day when I wont accidentally stumble across one of his poorly written tabloids which contains little more then thinly veiled propaganda.

      Which 'content' in the overwhelming majority of cases they have not even created themselves (Murdoch's business model has no money left for good investigative journalists): they just syndicate the news from AP (which does get paid by Google) or steal it from some blogger (who does not get paid by Murdoch), add their propaganda to it (which Murdoch should be paying for for us to read. A lot.) and then they slap their advertisements on it (which Murdoch should be paying us for as well - my attention has value and Murdoch should not expect to be able to steal it for free).

      Google on the other hand provides good functionality (a good, unbiased search index and good apps) in exchange for my attention.

      Really, Murdoch should not feel so entitled to the resources of this world. He should compete for them like the rest of the planet does. Right now, as far as I'm concerned his business offer to me falls far short of being as competitive as Google's.

    8. Re:Endorsement by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

      Heh, if Satan was giving business advices, I am sure a lot of people would listen carefully.

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    9. Re:Endorsement by mjwx · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Which 'content' in the overwhelming majority of cases they have not even created themselves (Murdoch's business model has no money left for good investigative journalists): they just syndicate the news from AP (which does get paid by Google) or steal it from some blogger (who does not get paid by Murdoch), add their propaganda to it (which Murdoch should be paying for for us to read. A lot.) and then they slap their advertisements on it (which Murdoch should be paying us for as well - my attention has value and Murdoch should not expect to be able to steal it for free).

      In case you missed out on the last 40 odd years, Murdoch didn't get rich by being honest and forthright.

      But karma's a bitch, if a little slow moving.

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    10. Re:Endorsement by Virtual_Raider · · Score: 3, Informative

      I think you're spot-on. And so is Murdoch, kinda. At least the part about this being just a new medium in which to deliver his product. I think the way he would like to price it isn't viable in the long run but that's just me being cheap. I get free news from reputable newspapers for free in my mobile and on the papers' websites. I even get the actual dead-tree version for free with my groceries purchase so any subscription of more than a couple of dollars for something intangible and pretty much ephimeral by its very nautre won't appeal. I'm guessing a very large and increasing group of people will be on the same boat.

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    11. Re:Endorsement by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

      One redneck paying 15$/month earns more to Murdoch than one thousand geeks who use adblock on fox's website. We are once again becoming a negligible minority. At last !

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    12. Re:Endorsement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      At least one thing that he said was right.

      I'm old

      Yes, Rupert, you are old. Very, very old.

    13. Re:Endorsement by Interoperable · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hooray! No one will target content towards you! Goodbye /., you will be missed.

      I would be interested to see how many people adblock /. and deprive this wonderful site of revenue. It's likely similar to the percentage that do so to Ars.

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    14. Re:Endorsement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's an endorsement by a shaved gorilla worth?

      I think you meant the ex ceo of microsoft

    15. Re:Endorsement by Haymaker · · Score: 5, Insightful
      There are some people who's adblock behavior is kinda on principals rather than "block everything unless it breaks"

      Early after I made my Slashdot account I had adblock on but didn't pay it any mind, and then I saw the "thanks to you contributing positively to this board, you are eligible to turn off ads"

      I felt it was such an honorable and honest system that I disabled adblock for Slashdot and didn't opt-out of the ads. It also made me disable it for other sites I appreciate, like Hulu or even Google.com. Reddit has a "Thank you for not using AdBlock" graphic in place of an ad sometimes. I think it's what Google was saying some time ago: adblockers aren't ruining free websites, people will eventually use them to block out annoying or undesirable ads while choosing to support the websites they would like to support.

      Not that I'm saying this behavior is in the majority, but it might grow with the usage of AdBlockers.

    16. Re:Endorsement by icebraining · · Score: 1

      My newspaper offers free news in the site, RSS, twitter and an iPhone app, and charges 5/month for opinion pieces and for the cultural supplement. I think it's perfectly reasonable. Especially since the culture reviews and pieces are nicely written.

    17. Re:Endorsement by icebraining · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, my problem is that although I'm "eligible to disable advertisement", I didn't disable it and yet they don't show up. I don't have Adblock installed either. It probably has something to do with NoScript, although I have the whole site allowed. I'll probably just subscribe when I start earning something :|

    18. Re:Endorsement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You bet - Murdoch loves the closed, walled garden of Apple devices. What he hates is customers gaining control over content.

      In his ideal world, our eyeballs would be licensed.

    19. Re:Endorsement by TeknoHog · · Score: 3, Informative

      Any true geek should have watched enough MacGyver to know that Murdoc is the bad guy.

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    20. Re:Endorsement by Teun · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I'm perfectly happy to have advertisements included in the pages I watch, over the years I've come to disregard them anyway. And I do appreciate they pay for what I enjoy so I won't take the offer to switch off Slasdot advertising.

      But I do use flashblock as I think advertisements don't need flash to reach me plus it's a noticeable drain on a slow connection.

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    21. Re:Endorsement by tehcyder · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Murdoch didn't get rich by being honest and forthright

      Yes, uniquely amongst extremely rich people, he's not a nice man.

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    22. Re:Endorsement by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      I'd probably invest in an ipad if I could get some sort of package deal for $25/month of

      • The New York Times
      • Washington Post
      • The Economist

      Barring that, I'll probably pony up $15/mo for the NYT when their android app is released, so long as it has true offline reading capability so I can use it with my (non-touchscreen) netbook.

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    23. Re:Endorsement by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      Interesting ... I was exactly the same, including it being the push to do it for other sites as well. They may be on to something here. The ads on Slashdot are not too intrusive eitehr, and I get a kick out of the fact that there's Microsoft advertisements.

      Now if only I could get some mod points. It's been over a year since I had any ....

    24. Re:Endorsement by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      Me too. I disabled AdBlock for Slashdot, Phoronix, DailyKos and some other sites.

      I have no real problems with ads, if they are not intrusive. And in fact, they were quite helpful a few times.

    25. Re:Endorsement by tchuladdiass · · Score: 1

      Try looking at the main Slashdot page in 800x600 or 800x480 resolution (typical high-end mobile device res). Without ads, it is acceptable, but with ads on you get a very narrow column of text.

    26. Re:Endorsement by icebraining · · Score: 1

      Exactly, I have no problems with non-flash ads. But I run NoScript for security reasons; not only it blocks Javascript, as it blocks any kind of plugin until I explicitly click on them*, which doubles as a flash ad blocker.

      * By the way, that should be the default behavior of the browser, although I know it's stupid to expect people to click on each Youtube video, and having a bar saying "Allow plugin X on website Y?" will only lead to mindless clinking "allow".

    27. Re:Endorsement by phoomp · · Score: 1

      Yep, well, when it cost less to produce a newspaper for the iPad than it does to print one and you have the balls to try and sell it for more than a printed newspaper, I'm sure you'd love the iPad as well ... at least until you find out that people aren't as dumb as you thought and they don't save your collapsing industry by buying into your inflated subscriptions.

    28. Re:Endorsement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      then I saw the "thanks to you contributing positively to this board, you are eligible to turn off ads"

      I felt it was such an honorable and honest system

      Hold up, I've got a major problem with this.

      If I was in your place, I wouldn't feel grateful for something they shouldn't be doing in the first place.

      Flash Ads that cover what I'm trying to read without an "X" forcing me to reload, pop-up ads that spam more, ads that come loaded with malware and viruses... even on legitimate sites, because the advertisers themselves are crooked.

    29. Re:Endorsement by pigphish · · Score: 1

      More like another clueless luddite telling us what good technology is. At least he's not a fan-boy hipster http://www.latfh.com/

      I liked it better when geek was not cool

    30. Re:Endorsement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Judas' kiss

    31. Re:Endorsement by mwvdlee · · Score: 2, Funny

      I mostly watched The A-Team, and I've learned Murdock was a nice guy. And insane.

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    32. Re:Endorsement by mdwh2 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I tried unticking the ads, but it doesn't stop the daily Apple product placements... "Rupert Murdoch loves the Ipad" - really, how is this any more an actual news story than "Random famous person loves Pepsi"?

      I know Slashdot is now running daily Ipad stories, but it seems like they've run out of news if we now have a story for every person who uses one. Why not a daily story for every famous person who runs Windows, or has a Nokia? In fact, with those two market leaders you could get away with hourly stories.

    33. Re:Endorsement by Spiffy · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the guy who wants to destroy legitimate, objective reporting thinks the iPad is a great way to save newspapers?!?

    34. Re:Endorsement by lowrydr310 · · Score: 1

      Now if only I could get some mod points. It's been over a year since I had any ....

      I had the same issue, then one day, BAM! 15 mod points. Used them up before they expired, and got another 15 the next day. Very strange.

    35. Re:Endorsement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you say that Murdoch should compete for the resources of the world like everyone else does, does that include oxygen? Because that poisonous old twat is probably the biggest oxygen thief on the planet since Bob Maxwell.

    36. Re:Endorsement by geekoid · · Score: 1

      I block ads only from sites that use them in an annoying manner.

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    37. Re:Endorsement by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      That's why I don't use Adblock. I use Flashblock, NoScript and BetterPrivacy. That blocks the obnoxious, bandwidth-heavy and CPU-intensive ads and keeps the flash cookies under control, (it also keeps me safe from unauthorized flash/silverlight content, java applets and javascript, which Adblock doesn't do) but most ads load fine, and I don't have a problem with that.

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    38. Re:Endorsement by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Uh isn't Beelzebub literally another name for Satan?

      And Rupert Murdoch is far worse than anyone at Microsoft IMO.

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    39. Re:Endorsement by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      After running into ads on mainstream sites which

      a) Put something in front of my browser and I couldn't close it until a certain period of time passed.
      b) jittered flashed and made noises constantly

      I installed adblock.

      I'm eligible to not see ads here and on the other site i frequent anyway so it's moot.

      If the ads are polite, I don't block the ad site.
      If the ads are rude, I block it.

      I have *never* used a web ad yet however. I use ebay or a search engine to find specifically what I want and then buy it. I never impulse buy except in brick and mortar stores.

      Of course, I'm debt free- almost paid for house, etc. etc. I have some buyers remorse over upgrading to a smart phone recently since it looks like it's going to cost me an extra $360 a year (half a 100w solar panel).

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    40. Re:Endorsement by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Please see this handy link.

      Satan = Gates
      Beelzebub = Murdoch
      Leviathan = Balmer
      Asmodeus = Darl McBride
      Berith = Osama
      ....

    41. Re:Endorsement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot has ads?

    42. Re:Endorsement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rush Limbaugh uses a mac. Everyone knows that

    43. Re:Endorsement by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      ... after a year? I've been assuming it's a bug.

    44. Re:Endorsement by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem I have is this...

      Ads take up my allotted amount of data i can download per month.
      If I hit 5gb on my phone or 250gb on my land line- I get penalized- not the advertising company.

      I am okay with small, polite ads. I'm not okay with large ads, flash ads, etc.

      They had an ad on another site which downloaded 30 jpg's and then flipped between them to make a rolling banner ad of different products. Every time I went to that page, it redownloaded every image. I didn't notice it for the first few weeks but one day it was screwed up and it displayed the images all at once as they downloaded and I went "holy crap, that's downloading a lot of pictures!" So I blocked it.

      And since then anything that moves a lot- I block the entire ad domain.

      I don't like company "A" saying, "keep your usage down" and then company "B" says, "here's a few megabytes of data every time you browse this page".

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    45. Re:Endorsement by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      Slashdot blocks its ads for me (I have the check box).

    46. Re:Endorsement by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      Why oh why did I click?

    47. Re:Endorsement by pugugly · · Score: 1

      Murdoch does not have and Zimbabwe can not print enough money for me to read the self-executing parody that is Fox.

      Pug

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    48. Re:Endorsement by cavebison · · Score: 1

      It strikes me as odd that all ad systems are client-based javascript stuff and, on top of that, mostly a .js file grabbed from an easily-blocked server. Why doesn't Google, as one example, also provide server-side libraries to deliver ads? With AdBlock you can hide the element from view, but it still gets delivered. That's a kind of compromise.. I mean, the advertiser can be assured the ad was delivered at least.

      Especially with google's text ads. I realise grabbing a banner from another server at the back end will delay things a bit, but I'm surprised it hasn't been done to get around ad blockers.

    49. Re:Endorsement by perryizgr8 · · Score: 1

      Early after I made my Slashdot account I had adblock on but didn't pay it any mind, and then I saw the "thanks to you contributing positively to this board, you are eligible to turn off ads"
      I felt it was such an honorable and honest system that I disabled adblock for Slashdot and didn't opt-out of the ads.

      same here. /. rulez!!!!!!!!!

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    50. Re:Endorsement by Phoghat · · Score: 1
      This is purely anecdotal but,

      I commute by public transportation (bus and subway) in the land of the NY Post. There are3 main dailies available in the morning: The NY Times, The Daily News and The Post. Personally I wouldn't read the Post if it were free, however a lot of people do read it because it is cheaper than the other two choices. These people are blue collar workers and some buy the Times, a larger percentage buy the Daily News but the vast majority buy the Post which is price at 50% of the News and 1/3 tghe price of the Times.

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  2. Who Cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Get over yourself Rupert. We are all tired of hearing your bitching!

  3. Logically... by Stormwatch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If Rupert Murdoch praises something, it just can't be good.

    1. Re:Logically... by blankinthefill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It really makes sense that he would praise it, too. The strict control that Apple keeps over the app store is something that our good friend Rupert would love to see people get used to, since it falls right in line with his paywall schemes.

    2. Re:Logically... by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The next logical step to ask is who paid him to endorse iPad. Google? Microsoft? ~

    3. Re:Logically... by jd2112 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, the Old Media fixation on the iPad and their false hope of how it will revive their failing empires will only help to hasten their destruction, so it is a good thing.

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    4. Re:Logically... by MartinSchou · · Score: 1

      Well, that is a Godwin-ish comment.

      The reductio ad Hitler issue is the fallacy that "if Hitler likes something, it must be bad" or "if Hitler disliked something, it must be good", and you're doing the same thing with Rupert Murdoch.

    5. Re:Logically... by shacky003 · · Score: 1

      Agreed.. It would be nice if someone would take away his mic once in a while.. Too bad he owns so many mic's..

    6. Re:Logically... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait
      The strict control that Apple keeps over the app store is something that our good friend Rupert would love to see people get used to, since it falls right in line with his paywall schemes.

      wait what? the only similarity is that you have to pay... Is it that bad to pay the fair price of items? Is it bad for any website to have a paywall if they have a fair price? Is it wrong for apple and the developers in the app store to charge for their apps? I understand several of the problems with the apple store, but they have nothing in common with the over priced paywalls that some websites are trying to charge other than charging for money for their content. So it's pretty much apples and oranges, other than they are both fruit.
      Posting anonymously because the mentality in slashdot right now is to hate apple and to hate paywalls (oh and lets use no-script to remove ads from the websites that have no paywall!)... because paying is baaaaad..

    7. Re:Logically... by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I was actually quite shocked when the Economist site went free. Beats me why - those were high-quality articles I was willing to pay for. As in, pay to access the site.

      Here's what's not cool though: bitching that Google is stealing from you, when you're not even following Google's suggestion on how to prevent Google from indexing your content. That's just pure whining and ass-hattery.

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    8. Re:Logically... by shentino · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Paywalls are just a pain in the ass to deal with.

      I don't object to them much on moral grounds as long as the fees aren't exorbitant.

      But whipping out a credit card for a sub-dollar transaction is hardly worth the time it takes to track down my wallet.

    9. Re:Logically... by iNaya · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, it's simply ad hominem. Could also call it "reductio ad Murdoch", but it's simply nothing to do with Hitler, or Nazis, and is not Godwinish at all. Your comment, however, is.

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    10. Re:Logically... by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      Which is exactly why the iPad will fail.

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    11. Re:Logically... by Rennt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not at all - it is not that Murdoch likes the iPad, but the reason he likes it. It is a locked-down device designed for passive media consumption.

      If the fact that Murdoch is promoting the iPad really should be setting of alarm bells in your geek psyche.

    12. Re:Logically... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The next logical step to ask is who paid him to endorse iPad. Google? Microsoft? ~

      I bet it was Woz.

    13. Re:Logically... by wintermute000 · · Score: 1

      Maybe behind that whining he knows he's stuck in a catch 22 (i.e. that google drives a huge proportion of his traffic, if he blocks them there goes half his visitors).

    14. Re:Logically... by Rennt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Posting anonymously because the mentality in slashdot...

      I see. So you only stand behind what you say when you know its gonna be popular, eh? Seriously, if you are going to fling poo from the sidelines spare us the justification.

    15. Re:Logically... by AresTheImpaler · · Score: 1

      I was actually quite shocked when the Economist site went free. Beats me why - those were high-quality articles I was willing to pay for. As in, pay to access the site.
      Maybe they knew they were going to make more money if they had a lot of people seeing and clicking the ads than people paying for the content. I dunno.

    16. Re:Logically... by calmofthestorm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The whining is because he wants google to cut him checks in exchange for the status quo, but they know he needs them more than they need him.

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    17. Re:Logically... by wintermute000 · · Score: 1

      This is true until/unless all big content bands together.
      Is he advocating unionism? lol

    18. Re:Logically... by kholburn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No there's nothing wrong with paying for apps that have been lovingly crafted and gone over by apple with a fine-tooth comb.

      But it's wrong when they stop everyone downloading free apps or digging into the OS themselves if they want to are are willing to forego the guarantees.

    19. Re:Logically... by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 3, Informative

      I was actually quite shocked when the Economist site went free. Beats me why - those were high-quality articles I was willing to pay for. As in, pay to access the site.

      Huh? They still charge for complete access - they've had partial free access since I first got a print subscription however many years ago, similar to Consumer Report's site and the Wall Street Journal.

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    20. Re:Logically... by linzeal · · Score: 1

      The Economist has a lot of New Media blood in their ranks, the WSJ talent ran away when Murdoch took over or are too chicken-livered to speak up when a rich Australian who smells like burnt leather and cheap aftershave says something batshit insane.

    21. Re:Logically... by cryptoluddite · · Score: 1

      Here's what's not cool though: bitching that Google is stealing from you, when you're not even following Google's suggestion on how to prevent Google from indexing your content. That's just pure whining and ass-hattery.

      Not really. The problem is that just one site going pay will just kill their readership, but if all the sites went pay at once they would be all better off for it. They would be getting the money instead of Google.

      It's a similar situation to unions. If just a couple people get together to form a union they just get fired and replaced, but if everybody at once forms the union then they have collective bargaining power and are generally better off.

      So there's good reason for Murdoch to be whining. Google is skirting copyright laws and stealing his revenue and the solution is not something he can do by himself. Frankly I side with Murdoch on this, because newspapers and magazines actually create value whereas Google News just exploits the work of others.

    22. Re:Logically... by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yup. It actually makes things worse for them, because rather than accepting that they have to drastically change how they work to take account of the internet, they're just gearing up for paywall + iPad to save them.

      The interesting thing is that their biggest competitor (the Daily Telegraph) is owned by a couple of guys who haven't been in the newspaper business for long, so they're not so ingrained in the old models. They're hired a young editor who gets that it has to run 24 hours, target every device out there and so forth.

      If the Telegraph play it right, they'll just get a whole load of online readers switching from The Times.

    23. Re:Logically... by Znork · · Score: 1

      Rather cartelism on that side of the fence.

      Still, it's the prisoners dilemma; all big content won't band together, as if some of it does, the ad revenue of the remainder will go up, making it more profitable to defect.

      The fundamental problem is simply that news media is unprofitable in many cases today as it is vastly overproduced. Once enough of it is gone, which (yay!) appears to include Murdochs media, the rest will become more profitable again.

    24. Re:Logically... by icebraining · · Score: 2, Insightful

      because newspapers and magazines actually create value whereas Google News just exploits the work of others.

      Wrong. Google News creates value by aggregating the news.

      I usually get my news from one of my national newspapers, but sometimes (especially with International news) I want to know how multiples newspapers reported the issue. Everyone's biased, reading multiple sides of an issue is the best way to get a broader view on a topic.

      Besides, Google News only shows two or three lines of content. I always have to click on the website link to read the article, which loads their ads. I don't see how this "exploits" their work.

    25. Re:Logically... by DrXym · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The bizarre part is Google must have brought far more visitors to his news sites than it ever took away. People who weren't the slightest bit inclined to visit The Times site on a daily basis did visit because the headline link popped up on their news page. That means more advertising revenue than if news aggregation never existed in the first place.

      If The Times or other of his publications go behind a paywall then not only is he losing the random visitors but also his loyal visitors who suddenly pay for stuff they got for free previously. Needless to say ad revenue will fall through the floor and the site must rely on the patronage of subscribers to keep the site going.

      Maybe there is a enough people who regularly fork out for his content that makes it financially viable, but everyone else will be quite content to get their news from the many hundreds of other news outlets providing similar / identical coverage. If someone needs a fix of right wing rhetoric they can get it from countless blogs. I hope his plans tank and tank badly.

    26. Re:Logically... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Rupert Murdoch praises something, it just can't be good.

      @lonelyjoeparker

      I reckon RMs a big fan of electricity, sanitation and antibiotics.

      now, i REALLY hate him and his companies; shall i start living by candlelight, shitting in the street and hoping a sprig of roses under my nose is enough to keep the bad germs away?

    27. Re:Logically... by Sabathius · · Score: 1

      If you're a geek, the iPad is probably not for you. Meditate on that.

    28. Re:Logically... by fractalus · · Score: 1

      Murdoch doesn't want a paywall. He wants Google to pay him, not the end user, because Google has deeper pockets and it's a battle that can be fought once and won. Getting users to pay would require winning them over constantly and is more work, especially when they're already used to free.

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    29. Re:Logically... by e065c8515d206cb0e190 · · Score: 1

      One may disagree with the man's opinions or his business, but I'd like to state the following. I'm a happy reader of the WSJ, probably one of the best daily newspaper in the US. Even if it's supposed to be politically biased and not necessarily in the direction I would vote. The point is that good newspapers are rare, and most of them just act as repositories for Reuters stories. Who needs that? I'm happy that some papers still put an emphasis on content, and I'd gladly pay for the WSJ if I wasn't receiving it for free. Same thing, I've been a subscriber to The Economist for years, even though I could get all their articles online for free (well, until last fall). The bottom line is, I'd rather pay for content and in depth-analysis than have a free shallow news feed.

    30. Re:Logically... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the fact that Murdoch is promoting the iPad really should be setting of alarm bells in your geek psyche.

      Only for freetards. Whatever Murdoch says or doesn't say (and lets face it, the man is brilliant, that's why he can buy and sell every member of slashdot five times over) the iPad is clearly the future of computing. The fact that it is not like Linux is actually a very good thing. Linux (and all open source software, really) sucks, and the further Apple moves away from the idea of open-ness as a "virtue", the better things will be for all of us who love these kinds of gadgets.

    31. Re:Logically... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Have you ever used Google News? because if you did you would know the reader needs to go to the site to get the story. Google News only shows the beginning of the article.

      If sites went paywall, they would loose eye balls, and they know it.

      OTOH, if they went completely paywall, there would be less of their manipulative lies and more direct AP articles sans fox news slant.

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    32. Re:Logically... by geekoid · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Posting anonymously because the mentality in slashdot right now is to hate apple and to hate paywall"

      because if you don't slashdot will...what? come to your house and kick your dog?

      You post AC because you are either a Troll or truly a coward... or astroturfing.

      The rest of you post is logically flawed, but I'm not going to explain it to an AC.

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    33. Re:Logically... by jd2112 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If it helps to bring down Rupert Murdoch is it really a failure?

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    34. Re:Logically... by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 1

      Correction - they're charging again for complete access. They used to be completely closed, then completely free, and now I'm not sure what they're charging for. I don't know what's missing though from the online edition.... I haven't read the print edition in years, but I didn't see a change in stories that are available. World, News, Politics, Business, Stats, Opinion, KAL's Cartoons.... maybe the archives are not accessible?

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    35. Re:Logically... by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      I think everyone with at least one brain cell knows Murdoch is a douche bag. He is one person I would gladly say I hope he drops dead tomorrow.

    36. Re:Logically... by LateArthurDent · · Score: 1

      This is true until/unless all big content bands together.

      But that's collusion, and it's illegal.

    37. Re:Logically... by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      So if Google is supply him with most of his traffic then how is he missing out? Foxnews like to brag about how popular they are. Surely they don't need Google.

    38. Re:Logically... by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 1

      It's only sites like The Economist upwards where people will pay for content.

      A friend of mine works for a company that provides global commodity price data. The people who buy that data do so because it's worth something to them. It helps them make better multi-million dollar deals. It's also produced to a high degree of rigour and accuracy.

      Newspapers? A lot of it is just about passing time. A lot of people read them in the past because it was a way to get around the boredom of a train commute (and magazines didn't come out every day). But you can sit and read the latest from Gizmodo, or Gawker or Slashdot. There's so much low-grade media out there that almost no-one will pay for an online newspaper.

    39. Re:Logically... by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      I didn't see a change in stories that are available. World, News, Politics, Business, Stats, Opinion, KAL's Cartoons.... maybe the archives are not accessible?

      It depends on the individual articles. They are not clearly marked. You click on one and maybe you get the actual article and maybe you get the paywall.

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    40. Re:Logically... by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      I don't see how this "exploits" their work.

      When you're as old as Rupert, you'll "understand" everything.

    41. Re:Logically... by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      You'd think so, wouldn't you? Don't hold your breath though.

    42. Re:Logically... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was actually quite shocked when the Economist site went free. Beats me why...

      I started reading that site. When I was traveling, with just a tiny little laptop screen, I started buying the paper copies.

    43. Re:Logically... by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      How do you think it'll bring down Rupert? His business model is failing, and it's the same closed, locked-down model that Apple employs for the iPad and iPhone. The two are, philosophically, linked.

      No, the iPhone hasn't failed - yet. But give it time (and the recently-released ad platform for iPhone/Pad).

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    44. Re:Logically... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't be shocked that the Economist site is free. I subscribe to it in print and I'd unsubscribe the moment that they closed off the website. The Economist understands that people read it for a number of reasons, one of the most important being that it has influence and power. Also, the Economist is one of the few print newspapers to not only be making large profits, but getting new subscribers all of the time. Unlike the NYT they found an idea that works, and realized that the right way forward is to specialize and focus on a group of people.

  4. I'm torn... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I'm an Apple fan, I think the iPad is an incredible media consumption device....

    But then Murdoch had to open his stupid mount.

    This is why we can't have nice things.

    1. Re:I'm torn... by oldspewey · · Score: 5, Funny

      It doesn't exactly help dispel the notion that the iPad is for douchebags.

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    2. Re:I'm torn... by binarylarry · · Score: 5, Funny

      The only way this could get worse for Apple is if Osama Bin Laden reads his next set of crazy pronouncements off an iPad.

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    3. Re:I'm torn... by Cryacin · · Score: 4, Funny

      Gee, and I thought it was bad when Steve Jobs did it! Touche!!!

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    4. Re:I'm torn... by shrimppesto · · Score: 3, Funny

      The only way this could get worse for Apple is if Osama Bin Laden reads his next set of crazy pronouncements off an iPad.

      hitler beat osama to it:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_EcybyLJS8

    5. Re:I'm torn... by bertoelcon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nothing says cool and hip like an endorsement from an old geezer.

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    6. Re:I'm torn... by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 1

      Bin Laden is a huge Mac Geek!

    7. Re:I'm torn... by bit+trollent · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Hitler was interrupted by Kanye West who said that Barack Obama has the craziest pronouncements ever. Hope & Change. Things are looking better :-)

    8. Re:I'm torn... by LeperPuppet · · Score: 1

      He's a Linux user, it's obvious from the beard.

    9. Re:I'm torn... by indiechild · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Only on Slashdot do people believe that consumers buy Apple products because they're "cool and hip".

      Because usability is for pussies, right?

    10. Re:I'm torn... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Usability is awesome. People still buy Apple products because they are cool and hip. There is no contradiction.

      Shades of gray, you know...

    11. Re:I'm torn... by mdwh2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's only on Slashdot that Apple are treated as the number one company.

      I've never understood the reason why they buy them - but let's be fair, I think you can forgive people's misunderstanding, when everytime we ask them, instead of coming up with actual reasons, objective examples of things it does better, instead we just get vague handwaving answers like "I can't explain it, it's just a new paradigm" or "You just have to use it, honest" (which incidentally reminds me of the religious argument "You just have to believe in Him, then you'll see the evidence).

      It might not be reasons of "cool and hip", but "Buying it because my friend said it was the best, and I believed him" comes pretty close to that in my opinion.

      So you say usability - give me an example of this?

    12. Re:I'm torn... by Toze · · Score: 1

      Command lines are the One True User Interface!

      You are in a maze of twisty art-deco passages, all alike.
      > inject ADAM
      Inject what?
      > inject plasmids
      I don't know what you mean.
      > Would you kindly inject ADAM
      ADAM injected.

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    13. Re:I'm torn... by Rennt · · Score: 1

      Only on Slashdot do people believe that consumers buy Apple products because they're "cool and hip".

      Knowelegable consumers are by no means unique to Slashdot my friend, nor is successful marketing unique to Apple.

    14. Re:I'm torn... by dskzero · · Score: 0, Troll

      Seems someone hit a nerve in there. Sorry you bought an iPad. It's okay, everybody screw up once in awhile.

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    15. Re:I'm torn... by alan_dershowitz · · Score: 1

      I'm just thinking back to when you couldn't walk five feet in a major city without seeing distinctive white earbuds hanging off a particular social class.

    16. Re:I'm torn... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly right. No one buys stuff based on coolness/status factor in the real world! Consumers are 100% rational.

    17. Re:I'm torn... by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      I don't think that is a Slasdot-only phenomenon. I know people who have never used Apple computers who think that they are better for "music and mp3s and YouTube." The only way they get this impression is from marketing. They have listened to MP3s on their generic MP3 player, browsed YouTube on Internet Explorer, and not had any problems. Yet there is some mythos that makes them think that Apples would just somehow do it better. Yet they are picking it for the most mundane things where Apple really isn't any different. It's all perception and marketing.

      Apple was better for usability 20 years ago, when it was Mac Classic -vs- Windows 2.0. That kept pace for a little bit, but at this point Operating Systems have matured for the most part, and the average task isn't a whole heck of a lot different on a Mac -vs- Windows. But the stigma still persists.

    18. Re:I'm torn... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      I say he's a Windows user. Look at how long he's been offline.

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    19. Re:I'm torn... by sorak · · Score: 1

      Death to the

      Subscribe now to read the full article

    20. Re:I'm torn... by perryizgr8 · · Score: 1

      Only on Slashdot do people believe that consumers buy Apple products because they're "cool and hip".

      Because usability is for pussies, right?

      the problem with that is that the iphone/ipad is NOT usable. they are just toys for wannabe geeks/fools.

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    21. Re:I'm torn... by 517714 · · Score: 1

      Buying it because my friend said it was the best, and I believed him" comes pretty close to that in my opinion.

      Please keep your comments objective since you demand the same from others.

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  5. The Sooner the Better by dmgxmichael · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The sooner the "old media" of mega corporations deciding how millions should think passes away, the better. Murdoch has proven to be worse than most in that regard. His misery at the passing away of the bad old days only makes me smile.

    1. Re:The Sooner the Better by dmgxmichael · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Pot, Kettle much? At least I sign my name to my opinions.

    2. Re:The Sooner the Better by Caraig · · Score: 0

      Troll fail. Please try again. =)

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    3. Re:The Sooner the Better by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When your mother named you dmgxmichael did your father object?

      IOW: you're no less anonymous than any other coward on here.

    4. Re:The Sooner the Better by religious+freak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree the analysis was simplistic, but maybe I can state it a little more clearly... old monolithic media organizations provide an invaluable service, in terms of investigative reporting and on site presence of people during important historical moments. However, the monolithic organization AC rather ineloquently derides above truly is outdated. In an era when communication is nearly free, a monolithic entity throwing tendrils all over the world doesn't make any sense.

      In my estimation, it makes the most sense to have independent journalists (i.e. bloggers) reporting on local events and having those individual reports being compiled or organized by a central figure, like Google is doing now, or any newspaper could do if they get their head out of their ass. Eventually, in such a system, folks could establish credibility, networks and trust. They would be independent in every sense of the word. It's not a perfect model, but I do think it's a workable one.

      Oh, and by the way, screws to the douches like Murdoch who think they can tell others what to think through their media empires.

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    5. Re:The Sooner the Better by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      The sooner the "old media" of mega corporations deciding how millions should think passes away, the better.

      Murdoch is a 79 year old Type AAA. He's not long for this world.

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    6. Re:The Sooner the Better by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      "The sooner the "old media" of mega corporations deciding how millions should think passes away, the better. Murdoch has proven to be worse than most in that regard. His misery at the passing away of the bad old days only makes me smile."

      Judging by the fanfare of the Ipad by those who think its a great E-reader/Ebooks I wish I could agree. Consumers have proven they love drm and not owning the things they have but maybe I am wrong. I got modded down quite a bit when pointing this out and mentioning hte freedoms of a $299 netbook with Ubuntu. You can actually edit your own iwork or word files on it! ... sad day indeed.

    7. Re:The Sooner the Better by Falconhell · · Score: 1

      Tell that to his Mother, Dame Elizabeth murdoch who is 101.

      He could easily be around for another 20+ years! ):

    8. Re:The Sooner the Better by whoever57 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I agree the analysis was simplistic, but maybe I can state it a little more clearly... old monolithic media organizations provide an invaluable service, in terms of investigative reporting

      That's why they investigated Madoff and brought about ...... uh, wait..... they ignored the information they were given about Madoff and did not investigate.

      IMHO, traditional media has lost the right to claim that they provide an invaluable service through investigative journalism. Madoff isn't the only example where traditional media failed, there are many others. How did Drudge get started? Because traditional media would not touch a story, etc..

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    9. Re:The Sooner the Better by religious+freak · · Score: 1

      Fair enough. I agree we certainly could use a "media 2.0" landscape, but I don't want to totally discredit the work they do. It is important.

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    10. Re:The Sooner the Better by shentino · · Score: 2, Funny

      On the contrary, an online identity can be just as persistent as a real one. Signing up for an account is just like getting a birth certificate.

    11. Re:The Sooner the Better by Cassius+Corodes · · Score: 1

      I fear that this will exacerbate the current trend of only listening to news sources that fit your preconceived opinions irrelevant of the accuracy. What I liked about having limited sources of information is that it creates a more unified common understanding of the current situation, and given the high profile it usually is correct (taking into consideration the common biases of a country). People are more likely to agree that a set of facts describe a situation. If everyone's main source of information comes from disparate sources then this more or less common understanding of the situation could potentially break down. That is you would be unable to have an reasoned argument with someone because you don't agree on basic facts about the situation - the gaps between views of reality become too big to bridge.

      Well that or it could have no effect.

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    12. Re:The Sooner the Better by spyder-implee · · Score: 1

      Thank you for putting into words exactly how I feel!

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    13. Re:The Sooner the Better by dbIII · · Score: 4, Informative

      Don't worry, he's been busy running around the world yelling in the ear of any politician that will listen to try to create "bad new days". It's already resulted in the BBC drasticly cutting back it's online presence.
      Don't think we can ignore him. He may be an old bastard but he's an old bastard with teeth dripping venom and many elected representatives owe him something.

    14. Re:The Sooner the Better by ThePirateKing · · Score: 1

      It's a good question: Which is better for developing well rounded, informed views: traditional media, or the internet? The internet has the advantage of an extremely low bar of entry, i.e., anybody can post an article or even create a website at virtually no cost. Plus, with the Article/Comment structure, there is constant opportunity to throw in a dissenting opinion. There's also the factor that you can look up and cite information on any of the topics discussed right away; you can't do that with television or newspaper, unless you have your laptop handy. On the other hand, the internet allows you, to an extreme degree, to choose which site to listen to, so you can marginalize your opinions by only listening to people you agree with. The advantage of traditional media, I suppose, is that it doesn't allow you to choose which viewpoints to pay attention to... to some extent. Keep in mind, there is still a heft dose of bias; for example, Fox is much more conservative, and MSNBC is well known to be liberal, so you can still choose which opinions to pay attention to and marginalize your opinion.

    15. Re:The Sooner the Better by TapeCutter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "you're no less anonymous than any other coward on here."

      Rubbish, just because your slashdot identity is not your real world identity does not make it the same as posting AC. People don't stalk AC for revenge modding, astroturfing purposes, etc, nor can they look up AC's comment history and use it against them, nor can they tag AC as friend/foe.

      I personally recognise quite a few far-right nutters by their slashdot id, I don't mark them as foes but I also don't bother responding to their crap. There are others who I recognise as having well reasoned opinions, similar ideals, or a specific field of expertise.

      In other words a slashdot user has a searchable track record, an observable personality, and in many cases a reputation, an AC has none of those things.

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    16. Re:The Sooner the Better by jandersen · · Score: 1

      ... traditional media has lost the right to claim that they provide an invaluable service...

      Oh, don't be so petty. I have enjoyed many a barbeque that just wouldn't have been possible without good, old-fashionable news-media. And you only have to try once to be on the loo, reading the news when you realize there is no toilet paper; an iPad, for all its qualities, just isn't as soft.

    17. Re:The Sooner the Better by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      old monolithic media organizations provide an invaluable service, in terms of investigative reporting and on site presence of people during important historical moments.

      That was true until (at least over here) started to only regurgitate Reuters and dpa

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    18. Re:The Sooner the Better by wyr_taliesin · · Score: 1

      It's people like Murdoch and their 'Papers of News' that were responsible for throwing hundreds of town criers and ballad-sellers on the scrapheap - this serves him right!

    19. Re:The Sooner the Better by digitalchinky · · Score: 1

      The guy does have a bit of a thing for technology though - back in the 80's I met him at some convention or other in Melbourne pushing the virtues of a local university grown communications multiplexer. I wouldn't at all be surprised if he gets jabbed with a needle containing some 'live forever' nano-buzzword-crap that us annoying peasants could simply never afford :-)

    20. Re:The Sooner the Better by segedunum · · Score: 1

      Sady for Murdoch, the BBC don't seem to have cut back enough.

    21. Re:The Sooner the Better by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      I agree. Once upon a time, the Slashdot readers argued against closed locked down platforms, and supported openness. But if in ten years' time, the majority of computing is all on completely closed locked down systems where you need permission from the company to do anything, it'll be places like Slashdot that supported and cheered this model on.

      As you experienced, anyone who dares criticise this now gets modded down, if it's not in favour of Apple.

    22. Re:The Sooner the Better by russotto · · Score: 1

      I agree. Once upon a time, the Slashdot readers argued against closed locked down platforms, and supported openness. But if in ten years' time, the majority of computing is all on completely closed locked down systems where you need permission from the company to do anything, it'll be places like Slashdot that supported and cheered this model on.

      Maybe in ten years time it will be. But I'll wager it won't be the same group of people. The most common view here still seems to be that closed locked-down systems are made to be jailbroken.

    23. Re:The Sooner the Better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "far-right nutters "

      And that's defined as somebody who doesn't want to pay more taxes for lazy and illegals. Those crazy nutters! They'll destroy this country.

      Oh wait, the chairman of the Fed just came out and said what Obama is doing will destroy the country economically. He must be a crazy right-wing nutter.

      Posted Anonymously because I *REALLY* wanted to be marked a FRIEND by you on Slashdot. And if you marked me as FOE, my heart would simply be broken.

    24. Re:The Sooner the Better by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      I favored things locked down in that circumstance. Whose freedom is it? Yours or your employers? The employer purchased your computer and therefore his freedom to lock it down should be honored. Security and liabilities not to much lower support costs go part into the equation.

      At home I switched to Linux because I was tired of companies like IBM and Microsoft crippling their own products and forcing me to pay more up $$$$ for the *better* versions. I just wanted to do c++ without a crippled compilier and the freedom to have more power over my computer.

      This is why I tried out Linux. The I-pad reminds of Windows 9.x and VC 5.0 from yesteryears in that regards. Pretty buttons and shinies and a whole utopia ... Windows had that at the time while kde was still beta in command line galore. I preferred power and my same reasoning is why I do not like the I-pad nor people crippling their products to sell me subscriptions.

      I do sense a shift in slashdot in 10 years. There are more crazy gnu zealots and today people are more like consumers and like the looks. I see the argument in html5 vs h.264. I am surprised any slashdotters favored h.264.

      Well you lost songbird and are not getting it for Linux anymore. Thank h.264 and legal costs. You lose

    25. Re:The Sooner the Better by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Thanks for demonstrating the point of my post, wanker.

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  6. Suggestion for Rupert by kimvette · · Score: 5, Insightful

    robots.txt

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    1. Re:Suggestion for Rupert by Cryacin · · Score: 1

      You mean robots.destruction(); right? Ooops. I've said too much.

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    2. Re:Suggestion for Rupert by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      You realize that anything in robots.txt can be overridden in a person's ~/.wgetrc file, correct?

      Put this line in your .wgetrc file:

      robots=off

      I also add

      no_parent=on
      recursive=on

      Makes mirroring entire html trees a snap.

    3. Re:Suggestion for Rupert by mysidia · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Rupert's company knows about robots.txt. See, they allow everything.

      And Foxnews is even kind enough to provide sitemaps targeted at facilitating Google

      Rupert's mantra should probably be listen to what I say, (pay no attention to what I do)

    4. Re:Suggestion for Rupert by Eth1csGrad1ent · · Score: 4, Insightful

      no way! Like the MPAA and RIAA before him. Rupert wants to have his cake AND eat it too.
      He wants Google to stop pinching his content - but DOESN'T want them to stop indexing his sites.
      He wants to stop others from pinching his content - but he WON'T stop pinching content from other FREE sites if it'll embellish a story. (eg. pics/quotes from Facebook tribute pages of people who've ended up in the news)

      You WILL submit!

    5. Re:Suggestion for Rupert by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 1

      Sure, but then he has a legitimate complaint. In the meantime, he's bitching that Google is doing exactly what the site says it should be doing.

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    6. Re:Suggestion for Rupert by Macgrrl · · Score: 1

      Maybe they don't understand you have to add content to it and have left it blank by mistake.

      Hanlon's Razor and all that jazz...

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    7. Re:Suggestion for Rupert by jimboindeutchland · · Score: 1

      Many people comment that Newscorp should be using robots.txt to stop Google from crawling their content, however, I think this is a little naive.

      The beef that Murdoch has with Google isn't that Google is crawling their sites and providing search results, but that Google is aggregating their articles on Google News. Newscorp probably DOES want Google to crawl their site so people can search for news about the topic of the day and find it - hence the permissive robots.txt.

      However, providing the headline and a decent chunk of the article probably cuts down a lot of the traffic that news websites would get if Google News was not there. This in turn reduces add revenue which is how a lot of news sites make their money.

      I'm not saying I give a shit that the news sites are losing money. I'm just trying to offer some perspective.

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    8. Re:Suggestion for Rupert by Myria · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Rupert's mantra should probably be listen to what I say, (pay no attention to what I do)

      Isn't that the mantra of "the Right" in general?

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    9. Re:Suggestion for Rupert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not even that. He doesn't want Google to stop anything, or he would have told his IT people to change their robots.txt to deny the things he wanted to stop.

      No, he wants Google to keep doing what they are doing, it drives customers to his sites. He just wants Google to pay for driving customers to his site.

    10. Re:Suggestion for Rupert by DiamondGeezer · · Score: 0, Troll

      ...and Al Gore and Rajendra Pachauri and Greenpeace and....

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    11. Re:Suggestion for Rupert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wish robots.txt worked for Murdoch, but unfortunately it just isn't that easy to get rid of him.

    12. Re:Suggestion for Rupert by Jer · · Score: 1

      Yes, but Google has told him they will honor the robots.txt file. If he doesn't want them searching his site, he can tell them to sod off and they'll merrily go on their way ignoring every precious bit of content on his site.

      The problem is that he wants them to search his site - he wants those links to show up in Google News and have the traffic directed to his websites. But he wants Google to pay him for the privilege of providing that traffic to him. To anyone who has an understanding of how the Internet works this sounds like an utterly ludicrous idea - the search engine is providing a valuable service for a content provider by getting eyeballs over to the site. But Murdoch works in the pre-Internet mindset. As far as he's concerned, Google is a copyright violator that is illegally syndicating his content without his permission. He's not seeing it as free advertising (which essentially it is), he's seeing it as Google making money off of his precious, precious content and he wants his cut.

      This has been the burr up Murdoch's ass for well over a decade now - he wants the Internet to work like a syndication model and he refuses to understand that the model he wants would not only be completely unprofitable to him, it would make the Internet almost unusable at this point.

    13. Re:Suggestion for Rupert by mysidia · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure, honestly. I think it may be the mantra of both "the Left" and "the Right".

      Both "the Left" and "the Right" are hypocritical. And "the Right" is often not right; "the Left" is also often right (and often wrong).

      I'm afraid I don't know of any non-hypocritical politician at all though.

      It's kind of sad, but does give us a clearer view -- since we can see that Murdoch is obviously a politician, even though he is not in a government office, he is still in a corporate one, and the press is definitely political.

      So it should not be too surprising that Murdoch would inherits [negative] qualities that are common of all politicians.

      In the C++ world, I believe we would call this a polymorphic type.

      The Murdoch variable is declared as a pointer to a CEO, but the memory was actually allocated as a Politician object, so his virtal methods such as 'Mantra()' inherit from the Politician object.

    14. Re:Suggestion for Rupert by perryizgr8 · · Score: 1

      true...al gore and pachauri are just two-faced thugs with phds(not sure about gore).

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  7. Yes of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's no surprise the media loves a locked down device. If enough people have these kind of crippled devices, they can stop making content available online and require apps or subscriptions for everything. This also helps to explain the media's unabashed love for the iPad.

    1. Re:Yes of course by Budenny · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Agreed. This is where Apple has been going for a long time now, and the world of a locked down device, where you only access media through one controlled point, where all apps have to be obtained from one supplier who keeps a tight lock on what can be installed, that's a wet dream for Big Content. If you think about it, the most important aspect of it is that you can bar hacks that will unlock DRMd media. As long as you just had DRMd media, but freedom to install whatever software you wanted, and the ability to transfer files from machine to machine simply by copying them across, DRM was always going to be readily hackable.

      What we are moving towards is a situation where you will buy your content from Apple only, you will not be able to copy it without Apple's consent, you will install no apps that Apple does not like. So DRM will really work. Not only that, but all the content will at last be family friendly and politically correct. No need to worry about nasty subversive political sites, or swimsuit pictures showing up unexpectedly.

      Apple is far, far worse than Microsoft. Microsoft is an old fashioned tech company, similar in attitude to IBM or HP etc. Its anti competitive of course, very market share focussed. But it does not have this stifling desire to control what customers do and read, it does not worry much about what content is accessed by the products it sells which give it its market share.

      Apple is not really, in spirit, a tech company at all, or rather, its a unique sort of tech company, its a tech company in the tradition of Walt Disney 1955. So it is always thinking, how to use its tech position to control what customers do, think and read. That is the fundamental aim to which all its design tends. Its natural allies are Big Content companies. It has sometimes been said that Apple had DRM imposed on it against its will. Don't believe it. DRM and lockin are central to the Apple value system, they are shared values with the content and media industries. It seems inexplicable to Apple fans that it should be trying to ban the reading of perfectly lawful publications on its devices. You have to realize that Apple thinks of itself as Walt Disney 1955, but who in the 21st century has chosen to deliver its family friendly and politically correct content via computers and tablets. This is all of a piece, part of the same thing. This is why your music was DRMd, even when the rights owners did not want it to be. DRM is central to the Apple vision of how the world should work, as is content censorship.

      I read that you cannot activate the iPad from Linux. Now, why would that be, exactly....? Its because open source is the enemy for Apple, even more than for MS, because it represents intellectual freedom. That is what is really at issue here. Do you want to live in a world in which a sort of latter day Disney tells you what you can read? Most of the press and media do. They cannot wait to be part of that latter day Disney consortium. That's the appeal of Apple today.

      The Slate article is spot on. Its come a long way, and its ended up, like many revolutionaries, turning into a far worse version of what it originally campaigned against.

    2. Re:Yes of course by Animats · · Score: 1

      I read that you cannot activate the iPad from Linux.

      You can't activate the iPad from the iPad, either. Which is just silly.

    3. Re:Yes of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Agreed. This is where Apple has been going for a long time now, and the world of a locked down device, where you only access media through one controlled point, where all apps have to be obtained from one supplier who keeps a tight lock on what can be installed, that's a wet dream for Big Content. If you think about it, the most important aspect of it is that you can bar hacks that will unlock DRMd media. As long as you just had DRMd media, but freedom to install whatever software you wanted, and the ability to transfer files from machine to machine simply by copying them across, DRM was always going to be readily hackable.
      man, if there was only some kind of web browser, we could get content that apple hasn't even approved or seen.

      What we are moving towards is a situation where you will buy your content from Apple only, you will not be able to copy it without Apple's consent, you will install no apps that Apple does not like. So DRM will really work. Not only that, but all the content will at last be family friendly and politically correct. No need to worry about nasty subversive political sites, or swimsuit pictures showing up unexpectedly.
      again, for some of the stuff you said, the browser works perfectly. And hey, you can even buy stuff non apple, like said, kindle books.

      This is all of a piece, part of the same thing. This is why your music was DRMd, even when the rights owners did not want it to be.
      because really, the music companies always wanted non drm music but apple was forcing them to only offer drm music.

      I read that you cannot activate the iPad from Linux. Now, why would that be, exactly....? Its because open source is the enemy for Apple, even more than for MS, because it represents intellectual freedom.
      http://www.opensource.apple.com/ Some of the stuff is BSD and they dont need to offer the source, yet they do...

    4. Re:Yes of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      >Apple is far, far worse than Microsoft. Microsoft is an old fashioned tech company, similar in attitude to IBM or HP etc. Its anti competitive of course, very market share focussed. But it does not have this stifling desire to control what customers do and read, it does not worry much about what content is accessed by the products it sells which give it its market share.

      False. Microsoft has the exact same wet dream (case in point: The xbox program used (created?) as loss leader to place DRM media machines in the consumers living room). The 'trusted computing initiative' is a considerably widespread corporate masturbatory fixation.

    5. Re:Yes of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The Xbox is a "razor and blades" strategy, and the DRM is mostly there to ensure that MS gets a piece of all money made on the Xbox platform. It's also there to attempt to keep rampant cheating down, but the money is the major thing.

      And Microsoft clearly is no enemy of DRM; they put DRM out the wazzoo in Windows Vista to make sure that you can't do naughty illegal things that the Big Media companies don't want you to do.

      All that said, there is exactly zip zero nada evidence that Microsoft is trying to use the DRM to start controlling what software you can install on your own computing devices. Windows smartphones do not have an "app store" and Microsoft doesn't care what you install on them. Microsoft has tried to push "ultra mobile PCs" which were like an iPad only years ago, and they didn't try to control what software you install on them. There are a few tablet PCs being sold with Windows 7 and guess what sherlock, Microsoft doesn't try to control what you install on them.

      So, if you have some amazing evidence to back up your bald assertions, then whip it out and show us. Otherwise I don't believe you.

    6. Re:Yes of course by exomondo · · Score: 1

      What we are moving towards is a situation where you will buy your content from Apple only, you will not be able to copy it without Apple's consent, you will install no apps that Apple does not like. So DRM will really work. Not only that, but all the content will at last be family friendly and politically correct.

      We can only hope, because at that point Apple will get hit so hard with anti-trust suits, it will destroy their whole system of lock-in. The ONLY reason the can get away with it now is they don't have a monopoly.

    7. Re:Yes of course by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Apple is far, far worse than Microsoft. Microsoft is an old fashioned tech company, similar in attitude to IBM or HP etc. Its anti competitive of course, very market share focussed. But it does not have this stifling desire to control what customers do and read, it does not worry much about what content is accessed by the products it sells which give it its market share.

      Exactly, MS is not evil as a point of fact, they are evil as a side effect of being greedy. Microsoft wants to make money, that's it, so long as they get a yearly cheque out of you they are content to leave you be. If saving kittens and giving out flowers were highly profitable, Microsoft would be the worlds foremost provider of feline recovery and floral distribution services.

      Apple is not really, in spirit, a tech company at all,

      I've been saying this for a while and I'm certain that the fanboys will bash me (yet they cant even decide on whether Apple's a hardware or software company), Apple is a marketing company, almost all of its software development is outsourced or taken from FOSS and all of its hardware is outsourced. Apple own the Apple logo and make ads. They've been this way for over a decade now.

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    8. Re:Yes of course by __aasqbs9791 · · Score: 1

      Why do you need to activate it at all? I'm missing something here.

    9. Re:Yes of course by node+3 · · Score: 2

      Apple is not really, in spirit, a tech company at all, or rather, its a unique sort of tech company, its a tech company in the tradition of Walt Disney 1955.

      Apple is the world's most successful tech company.

      So it is always thinking, how to use its tech position to control what customers do, think and read.

      Apple has never, once, told me what to think, and I own plenty of Apple kit, so I speak with actual, first-hand experience. This is in stark contrast to the Free Software types who never tire of telling me to fear Apple because Apple wants to control everything I do. The current groupthink nonsense is that I'm supposed to boycott h.264 in favor of an inferior codec, and that I'm supposed to shun the iPad because... Well, the because here is never quite coherent. It's something along the lines of Apple will control my every thought, charge me for everything I do on it, and somehow it will prevent me from programming for it.

      I read that you cannot activate the iPad from Linux. Now, why would that be, exactly....? Its because open source is the enemy for Apple, even more than for MS, because it represents intellectual freedom.

      Apple hosts, contributes to, and has created, *tons* of Open Source projects. The reason they don't support Linux is because too few people use it.

    10. Re:Yes of course by jo_ham · · Score: 2, Informative

      So their whole stated goal of removing DRM from the iTunes Store and never wanting it there in the first place... where does that fit?

      Rip, Mix, Burn?

      "We encourage you to back up your iTMS purchases [back in the days where they had mandatory RIAA-imposed drm] to Audio CD using iTunes as soon as you download them".

      What about Apple's open source commitments? (and yes, they are doing *way* more than they are "legally obliged" to do).

      "DRM and lock in" are not "central to the Apple value system" - they happen to run two product lines with a closed App Store model and now suddenly they're "going down the DRM road" for "a long time now" despite opening up OS X far beyond what OS9 was, pushing open standards, championing the removal of DRM from online music sales (it was their idea from the outset, they were just not allowed to by the music industry), contributing to OSS projects far beyond what the licences require, giving away their dev tools for free.

      Apple fought the music industry to sell content via the iTMS with no DRM. It was only after compromise (the variable pricing structure) and a considerable "run in" period that they were able to do this. They are still working on the movie industry (iTMS movies and TV shows still have DRM). They are encoded in H.264 though, and the music in AAC format - both open (note, patented, but open standards) rather than some proprietary codec like WMV or WMA.

      Their fundamental aim is to make nice products that some people may want to buy. If the iPod/iPhone/iPad doesn't suit your requirements, I suggest you don't buy one. Don't try to force some wilfully ignorant opinion about what Apple are doing on us like it's fact, in the face of considerable evidence to the contrary.

      Open source is not the enemy to Apple - you may want to get yourself acquainted with http://opensource.apple.com/ before you start spouting stuff like that. The reason that you can't activate an iPad from Linux is that iTunes doesn't run on Linux (officially). You can't activate it from Win7 64 bit yet either (unless iTunes 9.1 is running on that platform now). It's not some conspiracy because they hate OSS.

      And claiming they are foes of "intellectual freedom" is just pure hyperbole. There are enough genuine criticisms of Apple that you don;t need to resort to that sort of nonsense handwaving.

    11. Re:Yes of course by mevets · · Score: 1

      iTunes is a tough nut to crack. It has been derided here (and many places) for its shortcomings, but in the spectrum between napster and wallmart, it has been responsible for a shift in the commercial perspective of online media. Not enough, to the napster side; too much, to the wallmart side.
      I wonder, without iTunes, what state online media would be in today....
      Is the central question about the evilness of DRM, without regard to its silliness, or about what sort of bridges need to be presented to appease the imaginary property morons.
      There was nary a whimper when apple decided to offer DRM-less downloads once the stupid folk discovered they were making money from this new-fanglded distribution media. DRM, it seems, was little more than bait.
      Murdoch and his cohorts are just the next set of dummies. Ok, Murdoch is especially dumb, but is a powerful and insane force in the world. They need to be appeased, to the same degree the clueless columbia folks needed to be, in order for this to move forward. Whether they come on board or not, they will be steamrolled, but it will take a while.
      Removing the cost of distribution is the key to all online services. The Register, in its ever expanding domain, is an expert level service in many areas. Where I live, the Toronto Star, Globe and Mail, and to a much dumber level the (Toronto/Ottawa/Calgary) Sun regularly run columns which are vague reprints of El Reg articles. Relevance is key; the Reg have it, and most "old media" either don't, or are spending it like a drunken sailor.

      Welcome Murdoch to the new age - his sycophantic empire will do poorly in it; as is deserved. Don't set up ideological road barriers - you won't beat the Murdochs by pitting your religion against his. His religion has more money.

    12. Re:Yes of course by Bemopolis · · Score: 2, Informative

      Why do you need to activate it at all? I'm missing something here.

      THe only thing you're missing is the good sense to ignore Internet morons who clearly have no idea wtf they are talking about. HINT: If they did, they would have used the word "sync" instead of "activate".

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    13. Re:Yes of course by indiechild · · Score: 1

      You hit the nail on the head. There's a fair amount of pathological hatred here for anyone who doesn't think the same way the open source/freedom zealots do. Reading some of these rants, you'd think Apple is roasting babies on the spit.

      I have nothing against Linux or Windows or whatever else. If you find some OS or platform superior and better for your needs, go ahead and use it. But don't fucking tell me what I can and can't use.

      There's no reason open source and closed source platforms can't co-exist.

    14. Re:Yes of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't that make it even worse? "activate" implies a one-time activity that could be done elsewhere. "sync" implies a repeated activity required to operate the device, which makes you more dependent on "supported" platforms.

    15. Re:Yes of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly, MS is not evil as a point of fact, they are evil as a side effect of being greedy.

      If your fundamental doctrine is greed without restraint - not caring who you crush under your feet or on who's back you satisfy your greed - then you are in fact evil.

      The whole "if good actions were profitable, everybody would do them" is merely hand waving that has nothing to do with reality.

      If MS would distribute kittens and flowers, we would likely experience a feline plague and starve because too many agricultural areas would be used to produce inedible flowers instead of crops.

    16. Re:Yes of course by Tromad · · Score: 1

      The candy looked too sweet. With Windows Phone 7, they are going to market-place only installs (from the engadget article). Otherwise Windows mobile 6.5 and blackberry (nokia/symbian?) are the only major smart-phone operating systems I am aware of where installing 3rd party apps doesn't require anything extra or major hassles.

    17. Re:Yes of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or, perhaps you can't activate the iPad from Linux because of its marginal use on desktop machines.

      (I'm writing this from a MacBook Pro, by the way, while torrenting the latest popular movies and a copy of Snow Leopard from The Pirate Bay. I'm pretty sure Apple didn't give me explicit permission to do that.)

    18. Re:Yes of course by mjwx · · Score: 1

      If your fundamental doctrine is greed without restraint - not caring who you crush under your feet or on who's back you satisfy your greed - then you are in fact evil.

      Hence what I said, they are evil as a side effect of being greedy. MS wont perform an act because it is evil, MS will perform an act because it makes them money, this is not motivation inherently evil but may be used for evil.

      The whole "if good actions were profitable, everybody would do them" is merely hand waving that has nothing to do with reality.

      You really did miss the point of that analogy, didn't you. If good actions were profitable, MS would pursue them with the same gusto as they pursue the domination of other markets.

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    19. Re:Yes of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All that said, there is exactly zip zero nada evidence that Microsoft is trying to use the DRM to start controlling what software you can install on your own computing devices. Windows smartphones do not have an "app store" and Microsoft doesn't care what you install on them.

      I don't own an Xbox but isn't this exactly how it works? I.e. a device where they try to control who sells software for and it comes with it's own app-store?

    20. Re:Yes of course by koiransuklaa · · Score: 2, Informative

      do you really think that change makes it more understandable? As far as I can tell the ipad won't work before "X" -- whether X is "activation" or "syncing".

    21. Re:Yes of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess that depends on your point of view. You say "MS wont perform an act because it is evil". That may be true. However I still think that MS is inherently evil because their objective is to satisfy their greed without any regards for consequences for others. This in itself is evil (particularly the "without any regards" part), not just the actions that result from that paradigm.

      You really did miss the point of that analogy, didn't you. If good actions were profitable, MS would pursue them with the same gusto as they pursue the domination of other markets.

      I got that point. I just think it's not a sensible, well-thought-out point. If good actions were profitable, the likes of MS would try to monopolise them and prevent everybody else from doing them. They would try to maximise their profits, even if it would mean to pervert the good action (e.g. providing too much or rationing in a monopoly).

    22. Re:Yes of course by Xest · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "So their whole stated goal of removing DRM from the iTunes Store and never wanting it there in the first place... where does that fit?"

      It fits in marketing mostly.

      Whilst Jobs was telling us he'd love to do away with DRM, and how he hates it, but can't get rid of it because the studios force it upon him, other online music vendors like eMusic, Play and Amazon were selling DRM free music with the blessing of the music industry and often at lower prices than Apple's DRM'd versions. So what Steve Jobs said about the music industry's interest in DRM, didn't actually reflect reality, although Apple fanboys bought it (and people wonder why people joke about Steve Jobs having a reality distortion field?).

      It was pretty obvious why Apple supported DRM, and it was pretty obvious why you couldn't re-download content you've bought from iTunes after the first time, even though this is a standard feature amongst the vast majority of digital content providers- it's all about profit for Apple. Apple was quite aware of the fact that iTunes got the online music distribution thing wrapped up pretty well initially, and with this success knew full well that by ensuring iTunes was difficult about syncing with other media players, and ensuring content was DRM protected with proprietary DRM, it meant that if people's iPods broke, or the battery life reached unacceptable levels and as with the majority of the consumer it meant they'd just get a new media player because of no easy battery changes in iPods, they'd have to basically go Apple again, or lose possibly hundreds of dollars they'd invested in content from Apple. Also, if people lost their content, they couldn't just re-download it again, they'd have to re-buy it.

      Apples strategy has been pretty clear to anyone with any level of objectivity and clarity from day 1 - it's all about customer lock-in, to a greater degree than any other tech company in history, including Microsoft. Apple wants to make sure that if you need a new devices, or new content that you HAVE to buy Apple, or face losing out other investments. It's all about making sure that if you go Apple, you have to reasonably stay Apple or suffer even more expensive consequences.

      Of course, Apple finally caved on DRM but only after the likes of Amazon started to really eat into their marketshare, and when they did cave, they did so by introducing higher prices- a reasonable way for them to offset the loss in lock in profits I suppose.

      If people think Microsoft is bad with their proprietary office software and formats causing corporate lock-in then they'd run for the hills if they evaluate the level of lock-in that Apple pushes.

      Of course, the obvious solution for most of us is to just not ever go Apple in the first place. But it's those like my girlfriend who don't understand the issues of DRM that get sucked in, such that when her iPod failed, she found she couldn't move the content off of it to her Android phone (which did everything she wanted, why should she have to buy a new iPod as well?). I solved it for her by just downloading MP3 copies of her music- I don't care about the legality of it, it was morally by far the correct solution.

      Regarding Apple and open source, the only reason Apple support open source is because they need it to help them do the things they can't do well in house. They only support it where they have to to the degree that some members of the OSS community aren't put off writing software that benefits Apple and beyond that point, where they can do stuff in house well, they've demonstrated time and time again they're not interested in OSS. To them it's just a business tool, they certainly have no interest in supporting the ideology itself, else they wouldn't have so many closed source products, they wouldn't push h264 as the HTML5 video standard and so forth. Microsoft releases FOSS stuff too, but that doesn't mean they support the ideology, they just use it where it suits them, no different to Apple, the difference is Microsoft doesn't really try and

    23. Re:Yes of course by Budenny · · Score: 1
      So their whole stated goal of removing DRM from the iTunes Store and never wanting it there in the first place... where does that fit?

      They were lying. Simple.

    24. Re:Yes of course by Teun · · Score: 2, Informative

      Don't forget Nokia's Maemo (Debian) and their recent joint venture with Intel called Meego, also Linux based and in the case of the N900 free and open.

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    25. Re:Yes of course by Amarantine · · Score: 2

      Apple is not really, in spirit, a tech company at all,

      Really? Perhaps that is why they changed their name from "Apple Computer Inc." to "Apple Inc." a few years ago. It's not a big secret that they shifted their main focus from computer stuff to music and other content.

      This is why your music was DRMd, even when the rights owners did not want it to be.

      Wait... Are you now suggesting that the MAFIAA didn't want DRM on their music in the iTunes Store, but Apple forced it? So you also think that Apple finally dropped DRM under pressure of the music biz?

      Its because open source is the enemy for Apple, even more than for MS, because it represents intellectual freedom.

      Why are huge portions of OS X opensource and publicly available then? Where do i find the source of (portions of) Windows?

      I read that you cannot activate the iPad from Linux. Now, why would that be, exactly....?

      I just view it as "system requirements". Do you also whine about not being able to play Dragon Age Origins under Linux? Or your fancy exotic printer or scanner only being supported in Windows or OS X? It's just a big iPod, and iPods need iTunes, ever since the beginning of time. Get over it. If you don't like the iPad, just say so and buy yourself another tablet.

    26. Re:Yes of course by JackDW · · Score: 1

      Jobs knew that people wanted to hear those things. So those were the things he said.

      If he was genuinely opposed to DRM on Apple platforms, iPhones would include jailbreak as an official feature, as on Android. iPods wouldn't include technical restrictions to prevent connection to unofficial software. OSX would install on any PC without needing to be modified.

      In all of these cases, there would be warnings: "Apple doesn't recommend you do this. Your warranty will be void. We won't support you." But there would be no technical measure to prevent it, as there currently is.

      You can't blame the DRM on the iPhone or OSX on the RIAA. Jobs is the man to blame.

      He lied to you. He said what you wanted to hear. It really is that simple. Jobs likes DRM because the platform lockin makes him lots of $$$s.

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    27. Re:Yes of course by maxume · · Score: 1

      I prefer to say that it needs to be 'blessed' by iTunes before it will work.

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    28. Re:Yes of course by Jer · · Score: 1

      I guess that depends on your point of view. You say "MS wont perform an act because it is evil". That may be true. However I still think that MS is inherently evil because their objective is to satisfy their greed without any regards for consequences for others. This in itself is evil (particularly the "without any regards" part), not just the actions that result from that paradigm.

      You do realize that you've just condemned every single corporation in the US as evil, right? By the metric you lay out, every corporation is inherently evil because their stated purpose is to satisfy their greed without regard for the consequences for others. The only thing that keeps corporations from doing horrible things are competitors taking advantage of their missteps and regulations put in place to stop them from doing horrible things - if it's not against the law they can actually be sued by their shareholders for NOT taking actions that are legal and profitable but ethically dubious.

      I'm not saying that corporations are evil - I think corporations are amoral and that our laws are structured in such a way that often promotes bad behavior. That's all that happened at Microsoft (and AT&T, and IBM, and just about any historic monopoly you can think of) - they set out to do what they were supposed to do as a corporation - maximize profits - and they push the law as far as they think they can to do it. Microsoft is no more or less evil than any other corporation in the US - they just had greater opportunity for bad behavior than a lot of others because of their runaway success. (And that's the position that Apple is in now as well - now that they're successful they have a lot of opportunity for bad behavior. Count on them using it to maximize profits because that's what they're supposed to be doing. The only real way to counteract bad behavior is either through competition or, if that fails, regulation - there's really no other way to do it given how corporations are structured).

    29. Re:Yes of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...you will install no apps that Apple does not like ...and yet artsy and self-described "free-spirited" people will stand in line for days to get one.

    30. Re:Yes of course by gorzek · · Score: 1

      You forgot about Palm. But then, so did everyone else.... :(

    31. Re:Yes of course by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      OS X will never be available for generic whiteboxes officially - they make money selling the hardware. Either way, they are as close to "allowing" it as possible - the disc is unencrypted, has no serial numbers, no online activation, no phone home, no DRM. It just has a single text file that says "please don't copy OS X" that you remove for it to work. (note: it doesn't even say 'don't install on non-apple hardware' - it only says that in the EULA). If deleting a text file that essentially says what you suggested it says, and reburning the image to a DVD-R is "too much of a technical measure" to prevent OS X whitebox installs then perhaps the task is beyond you to start with.

      Apple's original iMac commercials ran on the "Rip, Mix, Burn" campaign - remember that? It led into their goals for digital music as the technology changed, but they ran actual adverts encouraging you to rip your music, create playlists and burn CD-Rs.

      So, if they're so heavily "into" platform lock in, they would have used some proprietary codec, I assume. Not H.264 and AAC. They would have made all their software formats like Office's binary formats, not open and well documented. Surely they'd have gone with a closed html engine and broken standards for Safari, and made no attempts to push CSS compliance, surely they would have embraced flash instead of html5...

      The reason that the iPod and iPhone (and now the iPad) are tied to iTunes is not to foster lock in and profit (hell, the iTunes store barely breaks even, and if the platform was more open I'm sure they'd sell many more), it's about maintaining a particular user experience. This does mean that it doesn't make it a good product for those that want something like Android, but this is why Android exists.

      There's a point where outright cynicism really doesn't get you anywhere. Is it so hard to think that anything that a company says isn't part of some grand Machiavellian scheme? Try taking a look at the past evidence of what the company has been doing rather than just saying "he told us what he wanted us to hear". They didn;t just give lip service - the history of OS X is littered with continuing openness and criticism of drm. They have *one* product line (iPhoneOS) that uses a walled garden approach - it is pretty easy to avoid if you don't want to use it.

    32. Re:Yes of course by John+Whitley · · Score: 1

      that's a wet dream for Big^H^H^H Content.

      There, fixed that for ya. Unless Apple stupidly locks out small providers, a straightforward way of monetizing content is potentially a boon to all content providers regardless of size. With print media, there's fairly large overhead to print, market, and circulate a publication (magazine, newspaper, etc.). With digital media, these barriers to entry are equalized which provides for a LOT more competition to Big Content, and allows for niches to grow that were simply too small to be considered by Big Content. I'm frankly amazed that Rupert doesn't notice the laser sights of thousands (millions?) of authors and journalists targeting his head right now...

    33. Re:Yes of course by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Apple has never, once, told me what to think

      Apparently you weren't paying attention. The irony, of course, is that they really want you to think the same. Perhaps unfortunately for them, I took them up on their suggestion: I've got a jailbroken, unlocked iPhone, and an OSX installation on my white box PC. I don't, however, foresee an iPad purchase.

    34. Re:Yes of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Compare Nintendo's Wii to Apple's Mac...

      Wii? Totally closed, no normal person can afford to develop for it.
      Mac? Comes with developer tools. Hack away.

      Where's the Nintendo-hate?

      Having the iPad open to the level we expect from our desktops would be pretty pointless. It would defeat part of the purpose; this one works like that one. The same way consoles work.

      I'm sure we'll see the features and tools expand over the years but I think they've got a good start. How much does it cost to develop for the DSi or PSP? Compare that to the iPad and get back w/ me.

    35. Re:Yes of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can make money with honest business. You don't need to harm and exploit others to do so. I'd like to think there are some corporations out there that wouldn't ruin the lives of millions just to make a fast buck.

      If each and every one of them exclusively cater to their own greed while abusing others, they are in fact all evil. Just because it's status quo, doesn't mean it's all sunshine and lollypops. However I don't think they all are.

      Of course the bigger a corporation gets the more it gets forced by the system to become evil and unethical, i.e. shareholders, other companies, dehumanisation due to company structure, etc.

    36. Re:Yes of course by perryizgr8 · · Score: 1

      well said. my thoughts exactly. but i have trouble translating thoughts to words (or maybe i'm just lazy).

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    37. Re:Yes of course by perryizgr8 · · Score: 1

      no no. you don't understand.get this:
      you don't use 'activate' if steve jobs calls it 'syncing'.
      okay?

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    38. Re:Yes of course by perryizgr8 · · Score: 1

      Apple is not really, in spirit, a tech company at all, or rather, its a unique sort of tech company, its a tech company in the tradition of Walt Disney 1955.

      Apple is the world's most successful tech company.

      So it is always thinking, how to use its tech position to control what customers do, think and read.

      Apple has never, once, told me what to think, and I own plenty of Apple kit, so I speak with actual, first-hand experience. This is in stark contrast to the Free Software types who never tire of telling me to fear Apple because Apple wants to control everything I do. The current groupthink nonsense is that I'm supposed to boycott h.264 in favor of an inferior codec, and that I'm supposed to shun the iPad because... Well, the because here is never quite coherent. It's something along the lines of Apple will control my every thought, charge me for everything I do on it, and somehow it will prevent me from programming for it.

      I read that you cannot activate the iPad from Linux. Now, why would that be, exactly....? Its because open source is the enemy for Apple, even more than for MS, because it represents intellectual freedom.

      Apple hosts, contributes to, and has created, *tons* of Open Source projects. The reason they don't support Linux is because too few people use it.

      no.

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    39. Re:Yes of course by perryizgr8 · · Score: 1

      i thought it was apple zealots who started the whole evangelizing thing. not linux/ms users.
      oops, i'm sorry, don't let facts get in the way of you sucking jobs' dick. please continue.

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  8. Since it's Rupert saying this... by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1

    ...has anyone checked if he has a short position in Apple stock?

    I mean if Rupert likes the iPad then, ipso facto, the iPad can't be a good thing. And that means Apple's stock is going down.

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    1. Re:Since it's Rupert saying this... by nicolas.kassis · · Score: 1

      You should start the anti-rupert index fund ;p

    2. Re:Since it's Rupert saying this... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      The friend of my enemy is not necessarily my enemy, you know.

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    3. Re:Since it's Rupert saying this... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The friend of my enemy is not necessarily my enemy, you know.

      That is totally false. If you're helping my enemy, then you must go to the salt mines as well. I won't have someone propping them up and making them [more] dangerous to me.

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  9. It still kills the traditional paper. by Jason+Pollock · · Score: 1

    If, say, _anyone_ released an RSS feed reader for the iPad, newspapers are just as dead as they are now.

    Oh wait, someone has... A quick Google search returns several.

    It'

    1. Re:It still kills the traditional paper. by dakameleon · · Score: 5, Funny

      It'

      Damn, looks like the Old Media got to him before he could finish the post...

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    2. Re:It still kills the traditional paper. by Macgrrl · · Score: 1

      Or a Monty Python skit.

      It's...

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  10. Not bloody likely by Angst+Badger · · Score: 4, Funny

    Unless newspapers delivered via iPad are going to consist of something other than lightly-edited wire stories and insubstantial fluff reporting, they're not going to be a whole lot more appealing than the paper kind, and arguably less appealing, since lining the bottom of bird cages with iPads will be prohibitively expensive. And don't get me started on how much it would cost to pack boxes for a move.

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    1. Re:Not bloody likely by oldspewey · · Score: 3, Funny

      lining the bottom of bird cages with iPads will be prohibitively expensive

      There's an app for that.

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    2. Re:Not bloody likely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's an even better one called Max-iPad. Supposedly it's a bleeding edge application.

  11. The other reason Murdoch likes the iPad... by caladine · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wall Street Journal:
    Online + Printed: $2.99/week
    iPad only: $3.99/week
    Anyone else see the problem here?

    1. Re:The other reason Murdoch likes the iPad... by oldspewey · · Score: 1

      Define "problem"

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    2. Re:The other reason Murdoch likes the iPad... by timmarhy · · Score: 0, Troll
      Wall Street Journal:

      Online + Printed: $2.99/week

      iPad + WSJ ipad edition: $602.99/week

      fixed it for you

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    3. Re:The other reason Murdoch likes the iPad... by enoz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The Ipad app includes mandatory douchbag hipster tax.

      I suppose a subset of people who buy the Ipad also know how to use a web browser and thus can access the Online WSJ without the added tax.

    4. Re:The other reason Murdoch likes the iPad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      you're buying the ipad every week?

    5. Re:The other reason Murdoch likes the iPad... by timmarhy · · Score: 0
      I was really just making a point and not going into a detailed analysis of the costs, but since that seems to have gone whooshing over your head lets spread the cost over a 12 month subscription with the assumption that you'll use the device 10% of the time reading the paper. $5.39

      still a pretty shitty deal considering there's a large upfront cost.

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    6. Re:The other reason Murdoch likes the iPad... by okmijnuhb · · Score: 1, Troll

      I have no problem with right wing zealots paying more for the WSJ, New York Post, Fox News or any other sources Rupert Murdock right wing media.

    7. Re:The other reason Murdoch likes the iPad... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      And then you have to read it in Safari.

      Not having to use Safari is clearly worth something.

    8. Re:The other reason Murdoch likes the iPad... by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Anyone with enough spare cash lying around to pick up an iPad and pay the monthly plan fees, probably won't notice the $1 extra cost enough to even shrug their sholders.

      They'll probably buy both, for a total of $6.99

    9. Re:The other reason Murdoch likes the iPad... by dakameleon · · Score: 1

      It's $499 to begin, and why would the purchase of the iPad be per week? if you're going to make a point, average it over a year or something (hint: still come out way ahead)

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    10. Re:The other reason Murdoch likes the iPad... by dakameleon · · Score: 1

      Yeah, they're only making a buck a week to sell it to people who will clearly pay a lot for something with limited functionality.

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    11. Re:The other reason Murdoch likes the iPad... by wtmoose · · Score: 1

      Don't think the outrageous pricing will last long; the WSJ app currently has a 1.5 star rating in the app store.

    12. Re:The other reason Murdoch likes the iPad... by AresTheImpaler · · Score: 1
      Anyone else see the problem here?

      Apparently, what I've heard is that the Kindle-WSJ deal has something to do with the price. I'm not 100% sure how it works, but that's what I heard (TWIT podcast) and read somewhere (cant remember where). They are not the only ones, the popular science mag+ app is charging 4.99 per issue. Although the app is very pretty and what not, not many are going to pay that much. I think the price will have to be adjusted if they want to sell more issues.

    13. Re:The other reason Murdoch likes the iPad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hold it - you mean you don't have to throw it out when you are done reading the day's news? Gosh, that is going to take some getting used to.

    14. Re:The other reason Murdoch likes the iPad... by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Wall Street Journal:
      Online + Printed: $2.99/week
      iPad only: $3.99/week
      Anyone else see the problem here?

      Nope, Apple users are used to paying more for an inferior product.

      I mean for the superior design and feel of the product.

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    15. Re:The other reason Murdoch likes the iPad... by node+3 · · Score: 1

      Wall Street Journal:

      Online + Printed: $2.99/week

      iPad only: $3.99/week

      Anyone else see the problem here?

      Or via Safari on iPad: Free
      or
      Online + Printed: $2.99/week.

      In other words, if people are using the iPad app over the cheaper alternatives, which the iPad supports, then that's because the iPad app experience is superior, and therefore reasonably can be considered to be worth more.

      Personally, I find very little value in the WSJ itself, but unlike so many people on Slashdot, I don't have a problem with paying for something which provides a value to me. $3.99/week-even $0.99/week-is absurd to me, but if my living is based on being current on financial news, $3.99 sounds like a steal.

    16. Re:The other reason Murdoch likes the iPad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Online + Printed: $2.99 to News Corp.
      iPad only: $1.20 to Apple, 2.79 to News Corp.

      You forgot about the Apple tax.

    17. Re:The other reason Murdoch likes the iPad... by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 1

      Well, until they start blocking the website for the iPad user-agent string.

    18. Re:The other reason Murdoch likes the iPad... by arndawg · · Score: 1
    19. Re:The other reason Murdoch likes the iPad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't. Isn't this precisely the type of thing markets take care of?

      If the iPad edition is worth more than online + printed for its users/readers it will prosper and make its publishers a ton of money. If it isn't, it'll die a quiet death, missed by no one (neither iPad users, online users or printed readers). Either way I fail to see a problem.

      And I especially see no reason to throw an hysteric fit about old media, walled gardens and oh-poor-piggie-me-big-bad-wolfporations-are-out-to-eat-my-lunch-money ... What's the deal with Slashdot and the cryPad, if it sucks so badly why can't you guys stop talking about it??

    20. Re:The other reason Murdoch likes the iPad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wall Street Journal:

      Online + Printed: $2.99/week

      iPad only: $3.99/week

      Anyone else see the problem here?

      Apple's kickback is $2.99/week?

  12. Go ahead, Rupert, make our day by HangingChad · · Score: 4, Insightful

    reiterated his disgust at how search engines handle news and called on old media to rethink how their stories are distributed on the web.

    Then do us all a favor and pull your tabloid rags off Google. What's stopping you? I'm sure the core of your readers will stay with you, it's the only source that tells them what they want to hear.

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    1. Re:Go ahead, Rupert, make our day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Tabloid rags? WSJ? Geez, I'm as non-Republican as they come but you sound like an idiot saying that.

      I'd prefer avoiding going into some redundant spiel, but basically:

      • It's true that newspapers are dying, because they're not getting paid for what they used to get paid for and nothing is making up for that loss of revenue.
      • No matter how much you want to argue that this paper or that newpaper isn't doing "real journalism", they are all dying and they are almost the sole original sources for most news we hear, including most news the government or various corporations don't want you to hear.
      • Blogs and Google News on their own would be almost completely devoid of news if all the newspapers closed shop today. Their value, with rare exception, is derived from the value created by these news companies that are losing money. (Which leads back to the first point.)

      Finally, I'm close friends with some journalists. People who've written for the NY Times and Village Voice, rags like Entertainment Weekly, and more local papers you probably don't know. These people do good work (though more rarely when it's EW or People), and some of them are having problems figuring out what to do once they can't do what they're good at. It seems very likely that we're entering into a period that will historically be known as the nadir of journalism, the time when something not under any one person's individual control lead to the loss of a generation of reporters.

    2. Re:Go ahead, Rupert, make our day by Obyron · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They could maybe go out and do some real journalism instead of thinking they deserve a check for writing an article about who Britney is fucking. There will always be room in journalism, in some form, for the good writers who do good work. The problem is that there are a lot more hacks who can be replaced by a monkey, and their job has suddenly gotten a hell of a lot more competitive.

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    3. Re:Go ahead, Rupert, make our day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's interesting that you replied to my post and yet you appear not to have read it.

    4. Re:Go ahead, Rupert, make our day by mjwx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Then do us all a favor and pull your tabloid rags off Google.

      Actually he's trying to have it both ways, the headline and first sentence to be indexed by google, the link leading to the paywall.

      I wonder if Google's super secret search algorithm has the ability to tell if this is happening (I.E. the page content essentially not being there) and degrade these results in relevance (which is what I'm asking a search engine to do, order the results by the relevance to the search string)

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    5. Re:Go ahead, Rupert, make our day by norpy · · Score: 2, Informative

      google finance places "(subscription required)" in grey text next to paywall links, so I would think so.

    6. Re:Go ahead, Rupert, make our day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The WSJ is useless trash. One of the only things keeping them alive is that they've conned Professors into thinking that news gets in the WSJ before it's online and forcing their students to get subscriptions. As for your claim that Blogs and Google News would be devoid of news without the newspapers, I call bullshit. The good leaks always come from the internet, and CNN has Rick Sanchez, who spends an hour reading what jackasses on twitter have to say, and CNN is a better news source than probably anything Murdoch owns.

    7. Re:Go ahead, Rupert, make our day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's true that newspapers are dying, because they're not getting paid for what they used to get paid for and nothing is making up for that loss of revenue.

      As I understand it, generally newspapers are profitable because of advertising, paying for the paper mostly pays for physical production and distribution. All the news sites I visit regularly do not use google to find. Any site I don't use regularly wouldn't have got a subscription or purchase from me anyway under a dead tree model. I don't pay for TV service. Free to air TV has had news and other shows produced all my life paid for by advertising. Several local newspapers a week are delivered free in my area. Radio has had news for decades and is free to air. It's nonsense to say news can't be written without a pay per copy model of distribution. It hasn't been the only way it's done for decades.

      What they have lost from me online is advertising viewing. I block most ads because they are either uninteresting to me or annoying and intrusive. Come to think of it, they don't lose much viewing either, because I throw out advertising inserts from the papers I do get and turn the page on ads I don't want to see. I'm not bothered by googles search page ads because they don't get in my way or distract from the content. I do block google scripts on other sites. I also will stop listening to a radio station if I don't like their ads.

      If they'll make their sites function properly without google scripts and make their own ads as unobtrusive as googles, they will be in approximately the same business position with me, no payment but no presses and paper to pay for, advertising I will see if I'm interested. There's no reason they can't make money if they are willing to be less annoying, something that seems to be anathema to them. If they embrace free content and use effective advertising (copy the ad characteristics of the company they're being trounced by, text is not patented) they can also take market share from media sources that charge, such as hollywood.

    8. Re:Go ahead, Rupert, make our day by Obyron · · Score: 1

      It's interesting that you simultaneously declare your friends to be great journalists, and simultaneously admit they can't find work. What's it to me if we lose a generation of (bad) reporters? How is this not just one more industry where centralization, ease of communication between vast distances, etc., has lead to less of a demand for redundant workers?

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    9. Re:Go ahead, Rupert, make our day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> Tabloid rags? WSJ? Geez

      Seems like you believe too much into hypes. Apple fanboi by any chance?

    10. Re:Go ahead, Rupert, make our day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The headline/first sentence free, rest behind the paywall effect is a common phenomenum with scientific papers. With those, the abstract and citation are usually available for free, but the full article has to be paid for - as in $25-35 per article paid-for - unless you have access via an institutional subscription. Annoyingly Google searches often show content from the full text version. I wonder if google has a super institution license

    11. Re:Go ahead, Rupert, make our day by HangingChad · · Score: 1

      Geez, I'm as non-Republican as they come but you sound like an idiot saying that.

      Not to put too fine a point on it, but I'm not the one sticking up for a News Corp property. Apparently you haven't read the WSJ opinion section recently. It's the same people ultimately calling the shots at Fox News and the WSJ and that's true both here and News Corps overseas media outlets. News Corp takes sides, and that's true here and abroad. Add to that News Corp gets a significant amount of funding from Saudi Arabia. Personally, I don't like having my perspective influenced by Riyahd, but apparently it's okay with a certain segment of cable viewers.

      WSJ lost their credibility the moment the sale was finalized.

      Journalism is changing, where people get their news is changing. The industry will adapt to the internet, just like it adapted to the printing press. What's going to be more difficult will be separating fact from spin. If you can't agree on the facts, you can't agree on a solution. There's a lot at stake here.

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    12. Re:Go ahead, Rupert, make our day by Jer · · Score: 1

      If that's what he wanted he could set up his sites to do that. It actually wouldn't be that hard to do.

      What he wants is for Google to give him money to "syndicate" his content. That's what this is about. He's still on old-media model mode and doesn't get that the rug was pulled out from under that model a decade ago. Google is probably one of the few things keeping a steady stream of eyeballs pointing at his lesser-known rags (though the WSJ, the Times and FOX News would probably do okay without Google, they probably do slightly better with Google than they would without it).

    13. Re:Go ahead, Rupert, make our day by kanwisch · · Score: 1

      I don't agree. The change in music being driven by the Internet suggests performances is how artists will survive. Journalists can't do that. So once they have sold their article once, it will be replicated without control and the journalist will have made, what, $2? As with the Parent to your response, I too fear the repercussions of the impending failure of traditional news outlets. My take isn't that the sky is falling, but the trend in ideologically-driven US politics will only be driven further and faster with fewer real investigative journalists doing work. Its unclear what new model might come about, or when. What happens until then?

      One interesting new direction is Dan Rather's change from traditional evening news at CBS to HDNet and investigative journalism interesting to him. This is what I'd like to see more of.

    14. Re:Go ahead, Rupert, make our day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's interesting that you simultaneously declare your friends to be great journalists, and simultaneously admit they can't find work.

      Can't find work as journalists. That's entirely my point, and it's going over your head.

      One of the two (who are among my closest friends) just won a grant worth a year's salary for her writing, but it has nothing to do with reporting. She did her undergrad at one of the top ten schools in the country, did her grad at one of the top two or three journalism schools in the country, and had a previous grant teaching journalism at another. And, of course, she's written for some of the biggest papers around. Her writing credentials are unassailable, and her relationship with journalism is now mostly in the past.

    15. Re:Go ahead, Rupert, make our day by tabdelgawad · · Score: 1

      Here's a more likely explanation:

      Current top story on Google news right now (11:52 EDT) is US and Russia sign nuclear pact, with a link to "all 6,108 news articles". The second story about the West Virginia mine disaster/rescue has more than 10,000 news articles. In what economic system can such redundancy survive (or would you want it to survive)? Even if 99% are syndicated wire stories, that still leaves 60 to 100 different original versions that are substitutable.

      The technology has eliminated local news monopolies. Just because I live in NYC doesn't mean I have to get my news from the NY Times or any other local newspaper for that matter. The Washington Post, LA Times, even BBC news are direct competitors and perfectly acceptable substitutes. What this means is that they can't all survive, nor should they.

      The fallacy in the Parent's argument is that market pressure on all news organizations doesn't mean all of them will go under (which would obviously be horrible). Market pressure usually means a culling with fewer competitors emerging. That's not a bad outcome for the reader. It's more efficient, and it's how markets are supposed to work!

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    16. Re:Go ahead, Rupert, make our day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The change in music being driven by the Internet suggests performances is how artists will survive.

      Getting a bit off-topic here, but as MD of a UK indie label I've got to tell you that across the industry we see time and time again that performance revenues do not make up for lost sales of recorded music. We're all a bit confused as to where this fable came from.

      Yes, there was a small upturn in live music at the tail of 2007 compared to the previous 5-year average, but the crunch wiped the floor with that. People simply aren't thinking 'hey, i got this MP3 for free, let's go to a gig and buy some merch'. Where they do, it's big acts on majors that benefit, as smaller acts can't tour enough - who's going to make a 3 hour trip for a band on the strength of a couple of MP3s?

      Festival revenues have increased, but most of the festival tickets sold are for corporate festivals where our artists get screwed on the grounds of 'exposure' and the market is saturated - there's little room for independent festivals, though bodies like AIF are trying hard.

      To recap: Artists are poorer now than ever before, there is no magic revenue model to rescue them, and small acts are being hit hardest.

      We're all for file-sharing and free exposure but literate, numerate, tech-savvy slashdot readers (of all people) need to wake up to the ugly truth that less money into music == less time spent making it.

      Cheers,
      Joe Parker
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      Sotones Records

    17. Re:Go ahead, Rupert, make our day by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      Tabloid rags? WSJ? Geez, I'm as non-Republican as they come but you sound like an idiot saying that.

      Long ago, the WSJ had a much-deserved reputation for having very excellent news coverage, even while having one of the most right-wing editorial/opinion sections around. That had slipped considerably even before the News Corp acquisition, and quite a bit further since.

      No matter how much you want to argue that this paper or that newpaper isn't doing "real journalism", they are all dying

      Print dailies are dying, other outlets, including other forms of newspapers, not so much.

      and they are almost the sole original sources for most news we hear, including most news the government or various corporations don't want you to hear.

      Newspapers aren't even close to the "sole original source" of news, and haven't been for decades. Both other print media (newsmagazines, for instance) and non-print media (broadcast, cable, and internet-based outlets) do original reporting.

      And very little of what is printed in newspapers is original reporting by the newspaper.

      Blogs and Google News on their own would be almost completely devoid of news if all the newspapers closed shop today.

      Many blogs heavily feature original reporting (often by people who either also work in print, or who moved out of print and onto the web), and while Google News is just an aggregator, it aggregates a lot more than just newspapers.

    18. Re:Go ahead, Rupert, make our day by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 1

      No matter how much you want to argue that this paper or that newpaper isn't doing "real journalism", they are all dying and they are almost the sole original sources for most news we hear, including most news the government or various corporations don't want you to hear.

      The 3 top stories in today's Times say otherwise. Two are speeches being reported and one is based on a press release from Clarence House.

      A blogger could write a program which would present a press release and they click "yes" or "no" and just paste it as a post on a blog and they'd do as much as the main news in Today's Times.

    19. Re:Go ahead, Rupert, make our day by Obyron · · Score: 1

      My point, which likewise seems to go over your head, is that it's probably not that they can't find work as journalists, but that they won't, or perhaps don't want to. If they're such gifted writers-- and I believe you that they are-- then if journalism are what they wanted to do, they wouldn't have any trouble getting a job, since their credentials are so unassailable.

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    20. Re:Go ahead, Rupert, make our day by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      The problem is that there are a lot more hacks who can be replaced by a monkey, and their job has suddenly gotten a hell of a lot more competitive.

      Damn those monkeys! Why don't they go back to monkey-land instead of coming here and taking all our jobs!!

    21. Re:Go ahead, Rupert, make our day by Lunzo · · Score: 1

      Murdoch owns more papers than just the WSJ. Some of the other papers he owns are tabloids.

    22. Re:Go ahead, Rupert, make our day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When papers are going through layoffs, they are not that big on hiring. I don't know if it's still the case, but I know (from that friend) that the NY Times had a complete hiring freeze. Let's me say that again: a complete hiring freeze. As in no one, no matter how good, could be hired. That is very much representative of the entire industry.

      Now you're right that if my friend was willing to take any job, anywhere as a journalist, she could be employed in it full-time. You are not going to keep many of the best journalists in their chosen profession by offering them $15k in to run the local paper in Podunk, Wisconsin, or work for TMZ (those are hypotheticals). If your only hope for keeping journalism going strong is that people who are good at it will be willing to do it for very little money, a complete change of lifestyle (e.g., location), or work at tabloids, then that's really not much hope at all. Most likely, the people who are truly talented will move on to other professions that still offer a way to make a living doing it. My friend has become an author, which is also a great field and she's doing well at it, but that's still one less talented person working as a journalist.

    23. Re:Go ahead, Rupert, make our day by perryizgr8 · · Score: 1

      and you know what else is dying? myspace. now why should i care? if newspapers are dying, they are dying because we (as a society) want them to die.

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  13. iPads as newspaper replacement by ISurfTooMuch · · Score: 1

    While I disagree with most everything Rupert Murdoch says, I think he's at least partly on to something with the iPad as a newspaper replacement. OK, let's ignore the fact that it's terribly overpriced for this function, but he is right in that many people would like something that's lightweight and portable. Build a device like that and make it cheap, and you may have a winner on your hands. People would be able to sit on a bus or train and read the publication of their choice, be it a traditional newspaper or a blog, whatever they like. Sure, a laptop can easily do that, but show me a device that costs $49.99 that can do it. And at that price point, a modest subsidy from a newspaper could bring the price down to a point where it's almost a disposable item. That's the goal. Figure out how to make one of those, and you'll make a mint.

    1. Re:iPads as newspaper replacement by Superdarion · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Have you ever watched that movie called Big, with Tom Hanks? I remember very clearly this scene in which Susan is presenting her new revolutionary idea to her company. It is a cyber-comic book, in which you can display the pages of your favorite comic book and change the page and everything. Sounds familiar?

      The executive, disgruntled, then asks: Why would a kid pay $100 for that device if he can get a comic book for just 15 cents?

      Everyone laughs at Susan.

    2. Re:iPads as newspaper replacement by dafing · · Score: 1

      sounds a bit like "why use an iPod Touch (etc) for music when you can get a secondhand cassette player for a couple bucks, and you can easily dub any tapes you find"

      I have great hopes for the iPad, although I wish it had more hardware features, I am sure it will be at least a moderate success.

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    3. Re:iPads as newspaper replacement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I saw that movie couple of days back. It is not $100 but $18.95. Get your facts straight.

      She will begin explaining the rationale behind the cost and would suddenly leave the scene.

    4. Re:iPads as newspaper replacement by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 1

      You have a point. Do keep in mind that 100$ in 1988, is most likely the equivalent of 200$ today.

      While not exactly comic books... Nintendo DS or Playstation Portable? Both in the 100$-150$ range. Both can do much more than show comic books. Heck, they could both show comic books if their manufacturers wanted it. (PSP has a built-in browser, I don't think the DS does..)

      In a way, the device from "Big", exists.

    5. Re:iPads as newspaper replacement by Shrike82 · · Score: 1

      Today it's more like "Why would the kid's parents pay $100 for that device..." to which the answer is, unfortunately, "because it's easier than telling him no and disciplining him when he throws a fit".

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    6. Re:iPads as newspaper replacement by Jer · · Score: 2

      Actually today she'd be able to answer back: "Kids don't read comics anymore - we're targeting this at the 30-something adult male demographic" and be dead-on.

    7. Re:iPads as newspaper replacement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What they failed to realize is that they can license 300 bad comics and bundle it with the device and still make money on each device sold. If they set up their own online comic store then they can undercut the paper-only comic stores by charging 10 cents instead of 15 and still make money.

      They were laughing at Susan for being too forward thinking....she didn't invent the internet first. Without a delivery system there's no easy way to bring in that residual income.

      Perhaps if she had shown them a small stack of discs that contained all the world's comics they might have been impressed and might have pursued the idea. Put 5 comics on a disc and charge 25 cents....perfect.

  14. Rupert Murdoch who is this cat? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm a democrat, so all I can watch is MSNBC.

    1. Re:Rupert Murdoch who is this cat? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a republican, I can tell you that he owns newscorp. Newscorp owns FOX news, which is one of the channels I can watch. As a republican I also watch CNN, ABC, and CBS. NBC is the only one I am not allowed to watch.

      Wait, what?

  15. Let me get this straight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Most publishers are desperate for readers. In fact, many sites *pay* for advertising to get people to their sites.

    Rupert gets this for free from Google and other search engines, but fails to seize the opportunity to make money off it, or even to make a compelling enough site to keep subscribers around, and somehow this is Google's fault?

  16. It seems like by OrwellianLurker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It seems like Google would be better off not linking to any of Murdoch's sites. It will be a small loss of income for them, and a rather large loss of income for him. Seeing as how he constantly bitches and moans about Google I think they're well within their rights (not just legal rights) to do this.

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    1. Re:It seems like by oldspewey · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sergei Brin: Last week we pulled out of China, and today we're pulling out of Rupert Murdoch.

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    2. Re:It seems like by timmarhy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think the best option for google would be to write a formal letter to rupert asking him to confirm he'd like to be delisted from google. this puts the ball squarely in his court and denies him any recourse when he realises his site's traffic has dropped 100%.

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    3. Re:It seems like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and today we're pulling out of Rupert Murdoch.

      When will people learn...that's not an effective method of birth control!

      We don't need more Rupert Murdochs...

    4. Re:It seems like by houstonbofh · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sergei Brin: Last week we pulled out of China, and today we're pulling out of Rupert Murdoch.

      Really... Wrong image there... Now I will have nightmares.

    5. Re:It seems like by spruce · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sergei Brin: Last week we pulled out of China, and today we're pulling out of Rupert Murdoch.

      Really... Wrong image there... Now I will have nightmares.

      Don't mind if I do...

      When asked about his feelings towards one of his current partners Google, Murdoch proposed he and his old friends yank off the news they currently provide. Murdoch said he prefers (Steve) Jobs, and the warm embrace of Apple. He feels that the new iPad is (locked) tight enough that they may be able to avoid unwillingly spewing their content on loads of customers.

    6. Re:It seems like by failedlogic · · Score: 1

      Last week we pulled out of China, and today we're pulling out of Rupert Murdoch.

      If this is carefully explained, this could certainly be a candidate for a quote on a t-shirt.

      Apologies to you, if you read replies to your post and had to read that line again. Hopefully you won't have the nightmare again. ;)

    7. Re:It seems like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rupert Murdoch being creampied by Sergei Brin. That's a train wreck right there. Don't wanna stare, can't look away.

    8. Re:It seems like by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      No, activley drop his sites and make him beg.

  17. We need a better free press by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Forget paying money to Murdoch and support Wikileaks!

    1. Re:We need a better free press by LingNoi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Indeed I have noticed that most of the breaking stories these days have come from Wikileaks. Although not technically news it's been much more informative then traditional rags that put a spin on everything.

    2. Re:We need a better free press by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Interesting that you should choose a website that's been mostly offline for the past 5 months because they can't meet their budget. That's the problem with "free" (as in beer) press -- it still costs money to run. I'd urge you (and anyone else interested in preserving Wikileaks) to donate. Information can be found on their front (only) page: http://wikileaks.org/

  18. Whats good for the goose by teknosapien · · Score: 1

    Is not always good for the Gander? this is the guy that wants a double standard . Complain about fair use then evoke it when it makes him money. Rupert how much is enough?

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  19. Oh grandpa! by Cyberllama · · Score: 5, Interesting

    He's like the elderly relative at Thanksgiving who keeps saying racist things that would make everyone uncomfortable but they're so used to it they just roll their eyes and say "Oh Grandpa!" Is there any way this guy could not get it less? He understood how to be a Newspaper tycoon, but these days that skillset makes him roughly as useful as a candlestick maker or a wheelwright.

    He keeps saying all this crazy stuff, but the guys who actually run Newscorp keep doing the opposite, lucky for them. They could easily edit their robots.txt and keep Google out, but they're smart enough to not only let Google in, but to let users coming in from Google slip past the pay wall . . .

    1. Re:Oh grandpa! by timmarhy · · Score: 4, Interesting
      don't kid yourself, rupert run's news corp with an iron fist. he knows what he wants to achieve but he doesn't understand how to get there. he want's a slice of google's billion dollar ad business.

      if he was clever about it, he'd offer apple a partnership where ipad users get free subscription to all news corp material for a year, and fund an apple search engine to take on google. throw in digitised copies of historical papers as part of the search service.

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    2. Re:Oh grandpa! by Dan667 · · Score: 1

      they are like people who hire illegals so they don't have to pay a fair wage and then complain about illegals.

    3. Re:Oh grandpa! by Scaba · · Score: 1

      Here in the US we call those people "Republicans."

    4. Re:Oh grandpa! by dakameleon · · Score: 1

      He understood how to be a Newspaper tycoon,

      Make that Media tycoon - Fox (incl. Fox News, 20th Century Fox), Sky (UK), and Star (Asia) are all attributable to the Murdoch empire.

      but these days that skillset makes him roughly as useful as a candlestick maker or a wheelwright.

      y'know, I think it's a bit early to be calling someone who has had the canny ability to come into markets long established and shake them up entirely as an outsider; he's simply got more competition in the form of others who are able to do the same with the leverage of the internet, but don't pretend for a minute that Murdoch doesn't have the mental ability to take on the status quo. Remember, this is a guy who started with a single city paper in the 5th largest city in Australia (Adelaide's Advertiser) and grew it into a multinational media company.

      He is getting old, though.

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    5. Re:Oh grandpa! by Obyron · · Score: 1

      You're just not going to beat google in search. It's just not going to happen. You might split the market, but you're not going to replace them, and I realize that's a bold prediction, but I'm being practical. You have to beat google by outgoogling them. You have to come up with a cool new idea that fulfills an old, common need in a new and interesting way; ie: you have to innovate. Rupert Murdoch is not an innovator. He has made his name taking things that were already there and hyping them by appealing to a small but very loud niche market.

      If he made a search engine with Apple it would return only hits on conservative websites, and it'd be Applefied so that you can't pick your own search terms-- you just have to take what Apple gives you. Now, they might let you add certain search terms that other people make for them, but they have to approve them first, and they'll cost you 99 cents. You see where I'm going with this.

      I'm not saying the guy's not intelligent, I'm just saying he's not flexible enough. Give it a decade and we're done with him. He'll be as obsolete as Standard Oil. All the money isn't going to go away overnight by any means, but his star will fade.

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    6. Re:Oh grandpa! by H0D_G · · Score: 1

      Adelaide's Advertiser is still a horrible paper.

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    7. Re:Oh grandpa! by Cyberllama · · Score: 1

      I'm not questioning his business acumen, it just seems like he's not been able to keep up with the technology, and technology and media these days are simply inextricably linked. Everything out of his mouth seems to scream total ignorance, but perhaps he's simply hoping that if he shouts angrily at Google long enough, they'll give him some money. The fact that they haven't delisted themselves in the year or so since Rupert started this campaign of crying shows that at least somebody at Newscorp understands that they need Google and not the other way around.

    8. Re:Oh grandpa! by dbIII · · Score: 1

      You've made a mistake - he gets it all right, he had an ISP in 1993 FFS and buries his opponents by understanding details and surrounding himself with experts that he actually listens to.
      The problem is he doesn't care if he breaks the internet so long as he can get to sell all the pieces. For the last two years he and his son have been going around the world trying to influence governments to change how the internet works so that he can take advantage of it, and he's portraying his opponents as outright thieves. It's already hurt BBC Online and I think we'll see a lot more damage in the year to come - soft targets like NPR's online presence and crackdowns on Facebook, Twitter, YouTube etc under the guise of doing it for the kiddies and stopping copyright infringements.

    9. Re:Oh grandpa! by failedlogic · · Score: 1

      Its like with Kim Jong-Il. When the old man croaks no one is sure (yet anyways) who will replace him. There is a concern that the successor will be worse.

      Murdoch is pushing 80 now. I don't know how much longer he'll be around, but with the extreme views he's promoted on FOX, I'm concerned of the successor - and more importantly, the outcome it will have on future U.S. elections.

      I am Canadian but I do watch American news network shows on occasion - entire broadcasts not just YouTube clips.

      Funny, before to be a complete ass-hat and douche-bag award winner, there were several career choices and prospects.

      Now all you have to do is get a talk-show radio gig or a TV gig that allows you to vent your non-newsworthy anger, opinion and non-sense. Once you get a faithful audience - your anger and opinions rub onto them. The nice community spirit this makes.

      Its an unfortunate turn of events. I really like the old-school investigative reporters. They were often criticized on their business and science stories because they aren't experts in the field. But, compared to the crap we have now, its not even an attempt at being professional. Reminds me of the high-school cafeteria.

    10. Re:Oh grandpa! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suspect that in 20 years time, Murdoch will still be very rich and in control of and influencing a large chunk of the world's media. But you'll still just be some geek on the 'spazz.

    11. Re:Oh grandpa! by takowl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They could easily edit their robots.txt and keep Google out,

      Murdoch may be evil, but can we at least understand what he wants? The 'problem' isn't with being indexed, it's about how it works with a paywall.

      Google insist that, to be indexed, you show visitors clicking through the same page that their crawler sees. So they won't index stories that users will have to pay to see. (In fact, they make an exception if you can get the first few pages for free.) Sites using a paywall have often quietly allowed a 'back door', whereby visitors coming from google can see the page without paying, just so that it gets indexed. Murdoch would like to do away with that system, so that he can charge anyone who wants to see his news.

      Even if he gets his way, it probably won't make much difference. Pagerank is based on links to your content, and there simply won't be so many links to content that needs a subscription. So his paywalled sites will sink down the results.

    12. Re:Oh grandpa! by timmarhy · · Score: 1
      I think you lack facts, perspective and a grasp on who rupert murdoch is. he's a razor sharp business man that knows it's not about filling a demand, it's about creating one. you also need to drop this idea that some how HE is going to build the search engine. he will merely fund it with a set of goals in mind.

      i guess you also feel that ibm will never be over taken in the computing market, and that horse and cart can't be out horse and carted by a 4x4..... google isn't safe by a long shot.

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    13. Re:Oh grandpa! by Philip_the_physicist · · Score: 1

      It still seems to make enough to hire the entire state opposition to provide material for their house cartoonist :)

      Their website does serve a useful purpose though: after I've been moderating /. with my threshold as -1, I need to remind myself that this isn't the most retarded news discussion site ever. It's group-think seems to belong to the Christian Far-Right, except the government should do everything for them. Internal consistency, even within a single post, is far too much to ask for. After I read that, i feel like banging my head into a wall.

    14. Re:Oh grandpa! by dakameleon · · Score: 1

      I don't think it's a matter of keeping up with technology so much as trying to find a winner other than the dominant market leader. He's egging on Apple's iPad because of the control it enables him to exert over the consumption of the media his empire produces. Google plays by its own rules, so Murdoch is unlikely to want to play nice with someone who he can't intimidate, cajole or otherwise influence. The ideals of open access don't sit well with Sir Rupert, not unless he can make a buck out of it somehow.

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  20. Yeah, we know who Rupert Murdoch sounds like by Cryacin · · Score: 4, Funny

    Stewie Griffin: Uh, excuse me, it's been brought to my attention that a few bad apples out there are smoking marijuana. Uh, I've got news for you, my friend. Marijuana's illegal. Not cool. [audience starts booing] Alright then. [Begins singing, to the tune of America the Beautiful] Establishment, establishment, you always know what's best... Man in audience: You suck! Stewie Griffin: Learn the rules!

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    1. Re:Yeah, we know who Rupert Murdoch sounds like by linzeal · · Score: 1

      Are you attempting to communicate to us through the use of cartoon vignettes?

      Comic Book Guy: "Yes, this should provide adequate sustainance for the Dr. Who marathon."

    2. Re:Yeah, we know who Rupert Murdoch sounds like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Oh! Guys! Sorry!

      Listen, this is just all a big misunderstanding. See, we can't legalize marijuana. We just can't.

      You see, if we legalize marijuana, people will smoke it!

      Marijuana is a hobby, and it's the best one out there.

    3. Re:Yeah, we know who Rupert Murdoch sounds like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, Family Guy, so daringly anti-Establishment, and not at all written by a raving left-liberal who thinks that "liberty" is about being told what to think.

    4. Re:Yeah, we know who Rupert Murdoch sounds like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "it's been brought to my attention that a few bad apples out there are smoking marijuana."

      Is the IPad a good apple or a bad apple? If it is smoking (whether MJ or tobacco) then you wouldn't be allowed to take it on public transportation, which would kind of defeat its main purpose wouldn't it.

    5. Re:Yeah, we know who Rupert Murdoch sounds like by celle · · Score: 1

      "...Stewie Griffin: Learn the rules!"

      Other man in audience: Fuck the rules, lynch the bastard!

    6. Re:Yeah, we know who Rupert Murdoch sounds like by Simon80 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You American right-wingers have absolutely no idea how skewed to the right your politics are. It's so bad, France's president, who comes from their political right wing, thinks it's absurd that there was such strong debate about healthcare reform. In Canada, our opinions are similar, and this surely applies in most if not all other democratic countries. The people in the US that watch Fox News and take it seriously are utterly brainwashed. It's so bad from our perspective that I have friends who aren't convinced that such people really exist in significant quanitities in the US, because it's so hard to believe. We find it hard to understand how so many people are all drinking Kool-Aid like this.

      This isn't to say that I wholeheartedly endorse the Democratic Party (of course not), but their political leanings are much saner from an outside-the-US perspective.

  21. Whiteants at work by zekt · · Score: 1

    The world is whiteanting away his empire.

    Rupert - stop going on a money grab. You make money from the advertising in newspapers - and the "cost" of the newspapers is the cost of covering raw materials, printing, distribution costs and a small slice for the seller.

    You really make your money out of the ads. What you are really bitching about is Google taking some of your advertising share - because you can Google a story and jump off to millions of sites and blogs.

    Of course the way to prevent this is to provide quality content. But Newscorp's second line of business is wholesale news provision (al la Reuters). Of course, every blogger, tweeter and facebook poster is working against you.

    You are under attack from every side. So all you do is try to protect you empire, rather than recognising the empire is changing.

    It is all about social networking now. You own press has been saying this. I am doing it now. Jump on in - you have brilliant people in your IT departments, you have brilliant people in your Business Development units... use them. Build something special. Build the nest generation of news. God knows you have the money to do it - an in doing it you'll help your grandkids grandkids be as wealthy as you are.

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    1. Re:Whiteants at work by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      The world is whiteanting away his empire.

      Ants are not white, you insensitive clod. Try the termites in the backyard.

    2. Re:Whiteants at work by lena_10326 · · Score: 1

      Rupert - stop going on a money grab

      Do you really believe Rupert Murdoch or anyone connected to him will be reading your post?

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    3. Re:Whiteants at work by dbIII · · Score: 1

      White ant is another name for termite. That's where "whiteanting" comes from.

    4. Re:Whiteants at work by Jer · · Score: 1

      It is all about social networking now. You own press has been saying this. I am doing it now. Jump on in - you have brilliant people in your IT departments, you have brilliant people in your Business Development units... use them. Build something special. Build the nest generation of news. God knows you have the money to do it - an in doing it you'll help your grandkids grandkids be as wealthy as you are.

      Amusingly enough, Murdoch's media empire includes MySpace. Which could have been the social media giant if it weren't so freaking horrible.

  22. Resolved: Rupert Murdoch is a whiny bitch. by bmo · · Score: 0, Troll

    Rupert Murdoch needs to stop bitching and swim in his money like Scrooge McDuck.

    What a fuckin' whiny motherfucker. Fuck him. Don't give him the attention his attention whoring self desires. Don't link stories about him here. If I see another story about him on slashdot, it will be too soon.

    Someone needs to take him out with a cast iron frying pan.

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    1. Re:Resolved: Rupert Murdoch is a whiny bitch. by Luke+has+no+name · · Score: 1

      How is a driveling, abusive, content-less post like yours modded up for insightful? You are compliant with the GIFT.

      For what it's worth, the Wall Street Journal was and is an excellent source of objective news and discussion on the op-ed. Murdoch is old and out-of-touch, but rather irrelevant, it seems to me. I think Steve Jobs has as much potential to damage the Internet's openness than Rupert Murdoch or Comcast.

    2. Re:Resolved: Rupert Murdoch is a whiny bitch. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The idea of him taking a large leap into a bin filled with nothing but chunks of metal does sound appealing.

    3. Re:Resolved: Rupert Murdoch is a whiny bitch. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A large portion of slashdot mods give +1 for agreement and -1 for disagreement. They lack the critical thinking skills necessary to see that their opinion is not the only possible valid viewpoint, or that people who agree with their viewpoint can still be trolls. I think the pattern is much more noticeable if you only comment AC.

  23. Brwoser? by BradleyUffner · · Score: 1

    I don't get it, the iPad has a web browser doesn't it? How is the iPad different from a computer in this example?

    1. Re:Brwoser? by jaymz666 · · Score: 1

      Flash?

    2. Re:Brwoser? by Kierthos · · Score: 1

      Lack of Flash.
      Lack of USB ports.
      Lack of any apps that Apple doesn't want you to have.

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    3. Re:Brwoser? by swilver · · Score: 1

      It still has a web browser. It may not have one tomorrow.

    4. Re:Brwoser? by E+IS+mC(Square) · · Score: 1

      A web browser? No. But is has Safari which may be confusing to many.

    5. Re:Brwoser? by BradleyUffner · · Score: 1

      I'm asking specifically for the example given in this story. i know the hardware is different and that the iPad sucks in comparison. But how can the iPad not go to google via it's built in web browser and read the same news stories that a computer can? I don't see how the iPad fixes the problem that good old Rupert thinks exists in google.

  24. Not surprising by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 1

    There are an awful lot of similarities between Republicans and Apple fanboys. They're both submissive, they're both religious in their single-minded devotion. They both believe you must sacrifice freedom for security.

    1. Re:Not surprising by XanC · · Score: 1

      Just recently, not a single Republican voted for the most massive freedom->"security" bill ever.

    2. Re:Not surprising by Nimey · · Score: 1

      Only because it'd be political suicide to vote for it after they whipped the mob up into a frenzy.

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    3. Re:Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Weren't apple fanboys stereotyped as liberals. Seriously, I know slashdot hates both apple and republicans in general but that doesnt mean we should say tehy are the same.. COME ON!

    4. Re:Not surprising by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      The same could be said about OSS fanboys, except it's not freedom for security, it's usability and features for ideology. The rest is the same though.

    5. Re:Not surprising by dafing · · Score: 1

      How often do we hear from "Apple fanbois" these days? If you ask me, it seems there are many times more "anti Apple mobs" than fanboys. Just read the comments section of any Youtube video, Engadget, Gizmodo, Kotaku.....entry about an Apple product. Despite the fact there are filters to remove all Apple stories from their view, they screech on and on about how the Poster must be Steve Jobs love slave.

      I havnt seen someone post "and this is why Apple is superior as always, the iPod is amazing, the iPhone is marvellous, the iPad is the third wheel on a glorious trilogy of magical childlike wonderment....." in some time.

      Its ok if you like Apple, its ok if you dislike Apple. I have mostly Apple gear, I have a friend who is heavily into Windows, he works with that silverlight amongst other MS ideas. He chose to buy some Sony Ericsson with a resistive touch screen running Symbian, I chose my iPhone. He got that bulky lump of plastic after playing with my iPhone, he could have bought an iPhone, but he wanted "an open platform". I'm sure he enjoys the handful of applications that came with the phone, and the knowledge that he could perhaps use the infared transmitter on the phone to change channels on his television...if the transmitter was boosted....

      But that was his choice, he seems to regret it now, but I wouldnt "force" him to drink from my flask of Apple Koolaid.

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    6. Re:Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are wrong. People hate "Apple fanboyism" more than Apple itself. You see so many anti-apple comments on Engadget, Gizmodo etc since all the writers over there seem to be licking Steve Jobs balls. They hardly have any opinion of their own. Just look at this highly-stupid post at Gizmodo and you will learn why people are so much against Apple fanboyism Here is the article at Gizmodo

      Another problem with Apple fanboys is that they have a superiority complex over others. They always think they know more than others and they are always right. FFS, a Sony Ericsson phone isn't a lump of plastic. Looks like your views are formed only by looking from the US perspective.

      Apple fanboys are the most irrational people I have ever met. They hardly have any views of their own. Their views are copy-pasted from the views of Steve Jobs. I think I said enough.

    7. Re:Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well done. Mod Parent up!

    8. Re:Not surprising by E+IS+mC(Square) · · Score: 1

      Here is why Apple fanbois are like republicans - of the worst kind - those who go to the tea parties - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d24sPhwSKs

    9. Re:Not surprising by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 1

      lol, a Symbian phone. I was hating on Symbian when you people were gushing about the fruity colors of your iMacs.

      It's funny how it always comes down to us versus the world in the mind of a fanboy. Like the Republican, their worldview is a fantasy, a heroic Randian struggle against the zombie horde of socialists with poor fashion sense. Only socialism in this context is demanding that hardware be controlled by its owner, and not by the manufacturer at the behest of publishing cartels.

      The Republicans sold their souls with the "Southern Strategy", and look where it got us. Jobs sold us out with censorship and DRM. When *that* empire starts to crumble, I wonder what the Apple version of the Teabagger will be?

    10. Re:Not surprising by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "They both believe you must sacrifice freedom for security."

      How does that apply to Apple? I hope your not referring to the appliance device they sell, because if you are then you must also believe that owning a blender means your sacrificing your freedom.

      Idiot.

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    11. Re:Not surprising by dafing · · Score: 1

      Hey 0xdeadbeef (what an unfortunate name, I'm vegan), I was about 12 when the Original iMac came out, I was always more impressed by the USB port (! OMFG, USB !) and on the high end "iMac DV" model, the big differences being it was BLACK,ooooh, and had a graphics card that carried slightly less Fail......but also...the Apple Pro optical mouse! I fell in love with Macs at that point!

      My school had old clunkers running Windows 95, the typical Beige Box, this massive tower with a noisy CD drive, and perhaps even a "Turbo" button if you were lucky! Their mouses screwed in with those giant serial connectors (from memory)! So to see this beautiful little see through black soap bar, connecting through an elegant USB port...with its pulsing "HAL 9000" red light.....magic!

      The colours were no big deal to me, Bondi Blue I believe.

      I dont know what you have against the Republicans. Its best not to bring them up randomly, that can be considered trolling. Lets assume you support the Democrats? Would you like it if you came across someone who was all "the democrats are just like the communists, providing hospital access to people in this country is the same as shooting Uncle Sam and raping the Statue Of Liberty...." ?

      Live and let live I say. Now, I am also a New Zealander, I dont live in America, so anything I say about it would be somewhat uninformed (although I probably watch as much US tv/movies as any American), and would be taken harshly.

      I've grown up hearing understanding the Republicans to be some sort of evil race that came about at the time of the dinosaurs, that they are "always" about 80 years old, senile, yelling about the damn immigrants to a country built by immigrants, and that the internet is a tool of the devil.

      We also hear, through The Simpsons episodes since we were very young, The Daily Show (although its not really on air in NZ anymore! what!) that the Democrats are whiny, rich and white but always concerned about poor and black people, driving a Prius with a Starbucks coffee in one hand, their iPhone in the other, ineffectual....

      Stereotypes go both ways, I wouldnt participate in spreading them.

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  25. Hey Rupy, boy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How's that MySpace thing working out for ya?

    Sincerely,
    Eric Schmidt et. al

  26. murdoch bough myspace by Dan667 · · Score: 1

    enough said on this man's stupidity regarding technology. Many sites would pay buckets of money for the kind of hit rate that search engines are sending them, but murdock cannot find out how to make money. What an idiot, he should just retire.

  27. Yet again... by Zixaphir · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So aggregation of news, which is best for the consumer because they get the best writers everyone could hire (theoretically speaking), sucks for the big guys, so shut it down? I too like to have my cake and eat it too.

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    "Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds"
  28. Flawed logic from Murdoch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not quite the full story from TFA, this has a better quote: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/murdoch-to-limit-google-access-20100408-rt04.html

    ''I think when they've got nowhere else to go, they'll start paying."

    Rupert, mate, there will always be somewhere else to go to get news for free on the internet. Right there is where your logic fails you.

  29. I'm so glad... by StupiderThanYou · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...that bastard isn't Australian any more.

    1. Re:I'm so glad... by dafing · · Score: 2, Funny

      I second that notion, as a New Zealander, the further away from us, the better!

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  30. Rupert could make billions but he's not listening by NewtonsLaw · · Score: 1

    I know how Rupert could make an absolute *killing* in the online content world and I've even offered to let him in on the secret -- but it seems that he doesn't read even modestly popular news commentary sites like the one I publish (you know, the ones who leach from his papers) so I guess he'll forever remain oblivious to the answer (which doesn't involve DRM but does involve people *paying* for content in a way they won't mind one single bit.

    It's sad when a man gets too old to see the potential in the new media as they continue to appear.

    Someone else will spot this opportunity and they will be come *the* media baron to rule all media barons.

    It just won't be Rupert.

  31. Web2.0 takes news reporting to a new level.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I actually find this argument quit absurd. Web is not only a new medium of distributing content but also a way to get the "real" news. A lot of people these days not only rely on websites such as Fox and WSJ to get their stuff, they rely on Blogs, forms and other online content which is gaining a lot of momentum lately. Though news websites is still a major source of reliable information, Blogs are also slowly coming into mainstreams, which most major editors, authors and news reporters having their own blogs in which they can share their own ideas! From this it actually seems to be that going forward we would be relying more on UGC(user generated content) rather than going through websites of news corporation...

  32. Murdoch going in opposite direction to Obama? by PdbAqB · · Score: 2, Informative

    In contrast to Rupert Murdoch hatred of Google, there is a growing demand, including that of President Barack Obama, for greater public access to publications of particular interest - for example biomedicine, which may also extend to other research agencies. In the journal Nature (http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v464/n7290/full/464813a.html) it was reported that the "US National Institutes of Health (NIH) to make authors' or publishers' versions of research papers publicly available in the PubMed Central repository within 12 months of publication." PubMed Central repository is a bit like a Google listing. Further, it is speculated in the nature article that "President Barack Obama might soon issue an executive order extending this requirement to all federal research agencies".

  33. Prolly been said... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...but who gives a fsck what he thinks...

  34. Yeah. by weston · · Score: 5, Funny

    I've kindof been on the fence about the iPad (yeah, it's kindof pricey, it's missing some nice peripheral features, and the app-lock might be inconvenient someday, but on the other hand, the featureset makes it seem like it'd be a good spot between e-reader and netbook for me, plus there's a cool array of audio/instrument apps that have grown up around Cocoa Touch over the last two years).

    But now that Rupert Murdoch has endorsed it, I'm more interested in checking out alternatives.

    1. Re:Yeah. by interactive_civilian · · Score: 1

      But now that Rupert Murdoch has endorsed it, I'm more interested in checking out alternatives.

      Wow. You let your interests be manipulated by the opinions of others so easily? :-/

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      "Empathise with stupidity, and you're halfway to thinking like an idiot." - Iain M. Banks
    2. Re:Yeah. by Saint+Fnordius · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If it's someone with a reliable track record, then yeah. In this case, it's Rupert Murdoch who has a track record of being reliable, in the sense that all he's endorsed in the past has been bad for me. I simply don't share his taste, and what's good for him makes the world worse off for me. ;-)

    3. Re:Yeah. by Professor_UNIX · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just sit tight. There are going to be at least a dozen or more Android-based tablets hitting the market by the end of 2010 that should fill in all the features missing from the iPad. Steve Jobs wants Apple to sell you the walled garden approach and Android-tablet vendors just want to sell you their awesome tablet and let you use whatever open software you want on it. I know which device(s) I'm going to support with my wallet.

    4. Re:Yeah. by irn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      the featureset makes it seem like it'd be a good spot between e-reader and netbook

      isn't that like saying apple's discovered a new meal between breakfast and brunch? i guess some people may enjoy it, while others find it unnecessary.

    5. Re:Yeah. by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

      It weighs 1.5 pounds. Enjoy your Popeye arms.

    6. Re:Yeah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> Wow. You let your interests be manipulated by the opinions of others so easily? :-/

      Why? Only apple fanbois have that right?

    7. Re:Yeah. by darjen · · Score: 1

      the dell mini 5 looks really promising, so I'll be taking a serious look when that comes out. I would also love to see some larger ones as well. iPad is cool but their ecosystem is just too distasteful.

    8. Re:Yeah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, Yes. Down with the conformist pigs. Just buy a Droid Tablet like everyone else...

      Competition is good, even for Droid.

    9. Re:Yeah. by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      Well even though I rarely agreed with George Bush, it would be catastrophic for me to go without oxygen just because George Bush declared oxygen important to human life.

    10. Re:Yeah. by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      Wow. You let your interests be manipulated by the opinions of others so easily? :-/

      Guess you're not a fan of rottentomatoes.com or food reviews or editorial pages?

    11. Re:Yeah. by weston · · Score: 1

      Just sit tight.

      Pretty much my strategy at the moment.

      I only care a bit about the walled garden -- it's annoying, but it's not hard to circumvent, and the territory inside the walled garden looks like it'll match my needs for this device well enough. Android's pretty cool, though, we'll see if any of the offerings coming down the pipe look good too. And hey, I'm still considering getting a Kindle and hacking that to do what I want. :)

    12. Re:Yeah. by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      Bad Analogy Guy, is this your other account?

    13. Re:Yeah. by hacker · · Score: 1
      There are going to be over 50 ARM-powered, Linux-based Android-based tablets hitting the market by the end of 2010...

      There, fixed that for you :)

  35. He's got you fooled by dbIII · · Score: 1

    I'm not saying the guy's not intelligent, I'm just saying he's not flexible enough.

    He's flexible allright. He's fooled you into thinking he's conservative simply because that's what sells spectacularly well in the USA. If you listen to the Boyer lectures he gave last year it's about universal health care, education etc - concepts that would have even some US Democrats calling him an outright Communist.
    He bought his first ISP in 1993 so he most likely understood the basics of the internet before you did. I know I couldn't even get onto the internet back then unless I visited a friend that was still at University and borrowed their computer access for a while.
    He can't make much money out of the internet as it is but if he continues to hassle governments to break it enough he can make money from the pieces. That is why he's effectively been on a two year speaking tour on the subject.

    1. Re:He's got you fooled by Budenny · · Score: 1

      As a matter of fact, this is not true, he did not buy his first ISP then. I do not know what year it was, later than that at any rate, but he did not buy it. The real story is, News in the UK became convinced they could repeat their success with football and TV. The idea was that if you had compelling content, you could make everyone buy your access vehicle to get to it. It had worked with sport on Sky, so it would work with all the News content on the Internet.

      Only problem was, they had no access. So they reached a deal with BT in the UK, who would supply wholesale internet access. The result was called UK Online. It was supposed to be a mixture of content and access. Some who were around at the time tried to explain to BT and to News that this was not going to work. It would not work because it would limit the fabulous online News content to the few who changed ISPs. But it would also limit ISP subscriptions to those who really wanted the News content. The argument was thus made: better just sell the content on its own to anyone who could access it, ie to anyone with an Internet access.

      News refused to do this, on the grounds that the content would not bear the tariff. They could not see that this showed that they were just selling Internet access at a high price with a glorified sort of home page. BT could not see it either, and in one lovely episode, forbade their advertising department from fielding ads which referred to 'all the great content available on the web'. Content, you see, was supposed to be joined at the hip to access, in walled gardens.... The web was not supposed to be content, it could not be talked about in public as that. There was, it was said, a market for combined content and access. There was another Rupert in BT at the time, a computer illiterate senior manager, whose reaction to a web site was to ask to have a printout of that. I heard that one of his staff, a Macfanatic of the time, wrote him a little website in hypercard and then printed out the cards, to explain to him how it worked!

      The end game was predictable. UK Online never worked, never got to critical mass, was finally sold to Tiscali, who went bust and were sold to Carphone Warehouse, and its an historical memory now. Times and all the other papers went online free.

      News however persists with the desire to sell all its compelling content. And to deny access to it to all but the favored. Is it going to work any better this time around? I doubt it. But do not cite the history of News in its first ISP as evidence of commercial acumen. Say rather, that they adopted the AOL model just when it was dissolving. As indeed did Apple, with e-World, for similar reasons.

    2. Re:He's got you fooled by dbIII · · Score: 1

      The one in 1993 was in the USA.
      As for it working, that depends on governments taking a big heavy stick to all of his competition - hence the world tour speaking in a lot of ears.

  36. who gives a *!@# by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do I have to read /. to find news about Rupert Murdoch? I'd rather pretend that f#$^ doesn't exist.

    Damnit, Slashdot. DON'T BE EVIL.

  37. They're called Cell PDA's/Game Phones. nt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If he charges more than a $0.01 for people to receive his Tweets from FoxNews, then he may fail-epic.

  38. We will se about that. by miffo.swe · · Score: 1

    Im not so sure people are prepared to pay premium money or even any money for ad-infested zeros and ones. Everyone will compare the ipad with the internet and if the news on the ipad arent substantially better than on the internet nobody will pay.

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  39. Oh, c'mon, Rupert... by ibsteve2u · · Score: 1

    Thinking Rupert doesn't want his websites indexed and archived 'cuz it makes it too easy for people to prove that a story in a Ruperty rag or on a Ruperty news channel or web site flatly contradicts something asserted or shown by a Ruperty organ in the past. That saying of Sir Walter Scott's?

    Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive.

    Well, that is a stone cold bitch when it is backed up by exabytes of storage across the internet. Things Murdoch depend upon "truth" being somewhat more...flexible.

    Manipulable, even.

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    Orwell: "In a Time of Universal Deceit, telling the Truth is a Revolutionary Act"
  40. BREAKING NEWS: Murdoch Reports News! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'I hate Google! How dare they take stuff out of context, or .. make it up..that's my job.' (not said) by Rupert Murdoch 'If people stop listening to what I'm telling them, I'll end up becoming irrelevant.' .. (Also not said) by Rupert Murdoch

  41. f this dirty old white man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fuck murdoch. can some anarchist shoot him and his son heir please? danke.
    iPad grows murdoch's bank accounts - no wonder the devil incarnate likes it.

    1. Re:f this dirty old white man by ynohoo · · Score: 1

      Just strip them of citizenship and stick them on a boat back to Oz - if only our politicians weren't running scared of them.

  42. I posit that by nightfire-unique · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I posit that if Rupert Murdoch is pissed, we (Internet generation) must be doing something right.

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  43. A rose by any other name... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FTFA "It doesn't destroy the traditional newspaper, it just comes in a different form.'"

    What Rupert, you mean like a website?... What a tool.

  44. Thanks for the rant but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I didn't buy an IPad.
    I guess you didn't buy an IPad.

    Nobody is forcing you to buy anything.

    It is a product.

    It is marketed.

    Some people will buy.

    Some will not.

    You are still free to get your content where you like it.

    Oh but you won't be able to install bit-torrent on your IPad ( which you don't want to buy, cause it's evil ) and pirate content ( which you don't wan't to see, cause it's evil ).

    I see where you are coming from.

    cia

  45. In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rush Limbaugh uses a Mac.

    I'M SWITCHING TO OS/2!

  46. maybe by Weezul · · Score: 1

    I sure hope the iPad costs Rupert Murdoch billions in lost viewership, but maybe there are enough iDiots that Murdoch increases revenue despite losing viewers, which would be unfortunate. Worse, the iPad might help create an opportunity for them to install tiered access.

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    The Christian religion has been and still is the principal enemy of moral progress in the world. -- Bertrand Russell
  47. There is a reason why the kid would pay. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The mainstream media would hype for months to no end the "revolutionary" idea, and this before the company would spend a single penny on hyping of their own.

    By the time the idea came into fruition most people of weak moral fortitude, lets call them fanboys, would feel compelled to buy it no matter what disregarding of hand a plethora of coolheaded and intellectually objective assesments against the idea.

    They would actually *queue* tu buy this non essential article (and least in the USSR they queue for necessary items) and would rise the item triumphally the item on the air, Lion King wise, like if having won something like an olympic medal or an Engineering degree (the thought ...).

    These people would consider acting triumphally after spending hundreds of $HARD_CURRENCY in a luxury item a reason for celbration. I humbly suggest that is a celebration of personal validation: I spend, therefore I am.

    Sorry, I think I sligthly over the board in my reply.

  48. It's almost as if he isn't reading Slashdot by dugeen · · Score: 3, Funny

    I don't know how many times I and other posters on here have pointed out that he can have all his news sites excluded from search engines by giving a few simple instructions to his webmasters. I'm starting to think he's not paying attention.

  49. How to "make your own day" :-) by FreeUser · · Score: 1

    Tabloid rags? WSJ? Geez, I'm as non-Republican as they come but you sound like an idiot saying that.

    He does sound like an idiot, until you read some of what the WSJ has become under Murdoch. Once you have the context, his comments don't sound stupid at all. Sure, the WSJ still has plenty of decent business news, but now it is laced with editorials and "business" news stories that are laced with Murdoch's political agenda ... the days of an unbiased, factual WSJ are long gone, more's the pity.

    Unfortunately, our perception of the rag lags well behind the change, and will probably do so for quite some time.

    Thankfully, for those of us still investing and engaged with the markets, there are better alternatives:

    http://www.ft.com/

    with various localizations, and without the Murdoch poison:

    http://www.ft.com/home/us
    http://www.ft.com/home/uk

    So let them ringfence Murdoch's tripe (even the formerly great WSJ he is wrecking). Please.

    Or don't wait for Rupert to take both barrels to his own feet and do it for him: filter his tripe out of Google News yourself (I use both approaches: "take off, nuke 'em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure"):

    1) Bespoke AdBlock Rules

    Open FireFox, go here and install AdblockPlus:
    http://adblockplus.org/en/installation

    You should have a ABP stop sign looking thing to the right of your FireFox search box. Click the little arrow to the right of it. Click preferences. Click Add Filter. Paste in:

    news.google.com##*[href*=".foxnews.com"]

    Murdoch ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assets_owned_by_News_Corporation ) also owns The Wall Street Journal. Add Filter again, and paste in:

    news.google.com##*[href*=".wsj.com"]

    2) Greasemoneky Script

    Get Greasemonkey:
    https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/748

    Get Sterc's script:
    http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/61397

    "Laugh it up" :-)

    [ Source: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/news/thread?tid=10c7469adda1fdac&hl=en ]

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  50. No, endorsement from its primary customer by Shivetya · · Score: 4, Insightful

    iPad's customer is big media. It is not us. Oh sure, many of us love the idea of the iPad but honestly look who is benefiting most from it. e-Book sellers now get to raise prices, even Amazon caved on this and many originally thought Amazon to be a bunch of money grubbing jerks for charging so much for an e-Book. Hell, Apple handed their end users right into the hands of the new consumer, big media, and the end users are rejoicing at being bent over a barrel.

    So of course Murdoch loves it, a whole slew of new ways for us to transfer money to them and their friends. And we will be happy for it because we will look so cool at Starbucks and the student centers.

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    * Winners compare their achievements to their goals, losers compare theirs to that of others.
    1. Re:No, endorsement from its primary customer by John+Whitley · · Score: 1

      e-Book sellers now get to raise prices

      So you think publishers should be price regulated? Really? I'm no fan of seemingly high prices for some ebooks (esp. back-catalog items) either, but I can solve that problem by leaving my money in my wallet or buying the $2 used paperback...

  51. Murdoch is avoiding the real story by evanspw · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Murdoch has got it ass-about. The reason that print media is dying is that the classified advertising model that was so profitable for so long has died. Craigslist has done far, far more damage to Murdoch's business than Google ever has, and there's nothing he can do about it. The cover price on newspapers doesn't even get close to covering the printing cost, let alone profit.

    Another thing, maybe he can see coming. Online media provides a way of measuring advertising efficiency, something that is not possible in print. Count the clicks. As corporate advertising etc is going online so bean counters can know it's effectiveness. Same goes for job ads.

    Print is dying because its advertising is obsolescent, not because of Google. Murdoch must know that

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  52. More like by irn · · Score: 1

    disgust at how search engines handle news and called on old media to rethink how their stories are distributed on the web.

    "We must find a way to keep Google from posting our public stories and linking them to our website.

    Murdoch added that the iPad was a 'wonderful tool' for listening to music, watching videos and reading newspapers.

    Just not at the same time....

    by making it cheaper to distribute content to a broader audience

    Cheaper for the corporation, but then they can jack up the prices because ohh, look how big the screen is. Oooohhh and it does stuff when i touch it!

  53. Don't give them any ideas by OpenSourced · · Score: 3, Funny

    'let them do their own reporting'

    Well, I guess you wouldn't like it if they took up on that idea. They sure couldn't make a much worse job of it than you do.

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    Rome taught me patience and assiduous application to detail. Virtues which temper the boldness of great, general views.
  54. A different take on the matter by oDDmON+oUT · · Score: 0, Redundant

    There's a sporadic blogger who looks at this from an interesting angle, and if nothing else the photo accompanying the post is worth a look:

    "I just read that Rupert Murdoch, the man that brought us Fox News, has given a resounding endorsement of Apple's new gizmo, the iPad.

    Well Rupert, you've confirmed in my mind that it'll be a cold day in hell before an iPad has a place in our home, because anything *you* favor is more than likely, at its core, to be..." http://imalloverthemap.com/

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    Some days it's just not worth
    chewing through my restraints.
  55. The Theory of the Leisure class by linzeal · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It is really a shame that more people have not read The Theory of the Leisure class, it rails against plutocrats, football players and kept women. It intelligently argues for the role of design and creativity for human progress over the barbarity of endless profit making and risk taking. Sadly Veblen died as a recluse in the hills of Palo Alto drinking heavily and writing rambling editorials ever so often in the local newspaper, he had devolved into a troll. 2 months later the stock market crash of 29' happened, I think that deserves a " Ha Ha".

    The hero of the book is 'The Engineer' and 'The New Woman' and they totally get it on. Come on go download and read it.

    1. Re:The Theory of the Leisure class by Threni · · Score: 1

      > It is really a shame that more people have not read The Theory of the Leisure class, it rails against plutocrats, football players and kept women.

      Changing the world, one blog at a time, eh?

      > Sadly Veblen died as a recluse in the hills of Palo Alto drinking heavily and writing rambling editorials

      Lol! Really?

    2. Re:The Theory of the Leisure class by linzeal · · Score: 1

      He was an ugly Economics professor who got thrown out of 3 universities for womanizing, I call that a pretty good life.

    3. Re:The Theory of the Leisure class by timeOday · · Score: 1

      The fact that you can "earn" a million dollars per month by divorcing a rich spouse shows how arbitrary incomes can be. It makes a mockery of honest work.

    4. Re:The Theory of the Leisure class by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      It makes a mockery of honest work.

      Oh, come on! Are you claiming that all that semen swallowing and pelvic-wall exercising, plus whatever other orifices she whored out weren't honest work?

      (No, I haven't bothered to read the article - some sportsman getting fucked royally by some bibmo, as I deduce from the title, but that's not clear about which gender or genders were involved. After all, who but Murdoch readers would give a fuck?

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      Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
  56. Apple = Ignorance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Well put.

    However, my opinion is still pretty much the same, and as the geek I am, I of course knew most of your arguments from before.

    The point is however, internet and PCs bring _unprecedented_ freedom in the world, in a world historically full of tyranny and serfdom. The "nice" iPad product of today, might very well become the DRM and privacy intrusive, locked-down, out-of-alternatives variant of tomorrow when everyone copies Apple's businessplan and governments starts to stamp down its heavy boots to support dying dinosaur-corporations. "Why should 'normal' people have access to fully programmable PCs?", they will say. "We have invented pretty much everything needed to be invented", is another one, the first step on the ladder down to our downfall in so case.

    Even disregarding the future, iPhone, iPad, OS X and the likes prevent my flexibility and freedoms TODAY. That is why I regret buying Macbook Pro (no, the expensive hardware doesn't run Win XP superior to PCs today and OS X is shit for a geek. Darwin is far from Linux and apt-get goodies in so many ways I can't summarize it here even), iPhone (no tether, no MMS, no smileys), iPod (locked-down filesystem, otherwise pretty much OK) and I certainly wouldn't consider buying an iPad too, or any Apple product anymore, for that matter. Even my so-called "super" n-version airport is noticably much slower than other wireless networks and have piss-poor range, besides configuration is by a shitty proprietary application, as it also is with iPhone and most proprietary crap from Apple.

    Unless you pay for updates, they are always incremental and not enhancing much. To really update, you have to buy the latest version gadget, disregarding that software updates could have given the same features = bad for environment. E.g. why is my 1st gen iPhone still lacking basic mobile features in 2010? Answer: It will never get properly updated. The same goes for OS X and every other product from Apple.

    Apple is purposefully locked down their gadgets and having serious control-freak issues.

    So buying and supporting Apple on a false sense of convenience, can have adverse effects from today on. Unless one is ignorant of these things, or just don't care.

    IOW, Fuck Apple! If they don't change their attitude, I wish them a descent to be an example of how not to do business (screw your customers while hyping your product). Just because they're successful at it, doesn't make it right if it hampers people in the long run.

    Problem is there is so much hype and myths surrounding Apple, and people are still falling for the propaganda (been there, done that). Common sense should prevail over longer time hopefully.

    1. Re:Apple = Ignorance by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      My iPhone supports tethering (out of the box, no fees, no jailbreaking) and MMS. What iPhone do you have?

      All of the iPhone updates were free (although iPhone OS 3.0 was a paid update for the iPod Touch, it was free for the iPhone).

      Apple's OS X software updates are also free, with major changes ("major" in terms of similar difference from 98>XP, XP>Vista and Vista>7) have been relatively cheap compared to Windows updates.

      I don;t think they "screw their customers but hype their product" - I guess you're not really paying attention, or perhaps you are just not the market they are after.

      If you find OS X is "shit for a geek" then maybe you're just not geek enough. You can always put Ubuntu or some other flavour of Linux onto that MacBook if you really don't like windows or OS X - they don;t stop you from doing that (ie, the hardware is open, just like a regular PC, fancy that).

      Propaganda only gets you so far - to be successful in business, you need good marketing and good products. Good marketing only gets you part of the way. They would have been "found out" long before now if it has been *all* hype. There is clearly something to it, hence the continued profitability. They're not perfect (what large company is) but they're far from the "worthless propaganda mill with useless products" that you make them out to be.

    2. Re:Apple = Ignorance by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      Incidentally, is your wireless N network all "n" devices (no mixed b/g/n)? What other APs are around you? Where is the AP in relation to your machine? Are you comparing speeds for different APs in the same physical location or against other N networks in other locations?

      The "shitty proprietary application" are the *drivers* for the Airport card, which is a standard Broadcom wireless card. Of course they are proprietary - the physical card needs the right drivers to work and the drivers and card are proprietary to Broadcom. You can use other Broadcom drivers with it on other OSes like Linux, or use the supplied one on the bootcamp disc in Windows, and then use the built in wireless config utilities in Windows to make changes (no need for a specific 3rd party 'shitty app' to configure it).

      All of the current Mac lineup is standard with the exception of the logic board, which are custom to Apple. The rest of the parts (CPU, GPU, HD, RAM, optical drive, SSD, expansion ports, usb, firewire, ethernet etc) are all standard, making it easy to run alternative OSes on it if you like, with the odd issue here and there (Ubuntu on the older PPC hardware works but is a little flakey sometimes, especially with fan control).

      I also find your *massive* non-sequitur that the non-update of a first gen iPhone means that "OS X and every other product from Apple" will also fail to be updated. Either way it can demonstrably be proven wrong.

      If you're a geek, and you claim you are, you really need to look at actual technical facts here and not just spout some crazy fud.

  57. Media Loss of Credibility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Any media outlets - NYT, WSJ, etc which are now dependent upon the success of the iPad for a revenue stream can no longer be considered as objective when it comes to reporting on the iPad or anything related to Apple.

  58. OT: Bill Hicks by complacence · · Score: 1

    Nice references.

    • Hicks was a vocal proponent of legalizing pot.
    • He used to start singing the America tune in his "Pick up the gun" Western skit and several other situations when he made fun of fighting the people you've armed yourself.
    • There's the infamous "I'm sorry, folks" episode when he started fighting with the audience after a bad start. A drunk woman called "You suck" and he basically flipped. The cry was repeated by other people and he even integrated it into the performance.
  59. It's obvious why Murdoch likes greed and power. by Gaian-Orlanthii · · Score: 1

    If I looked as old and ugly as Rupert Murdoch I'd hate the world too.

  60. this is one that murdoch can't win by darjen · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The sooner dead tree newspapers die the better. Google can't put them out of their misery fast enough.

  61. Rupert Murdoch is obsolete by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The net view Murdoch as damage and routes around him.

    What a piece of you're-o-trash he is.

    M

  62. funny... by hitmark · · Score: 2, Insightful

    given that most "news" these days seems to be verbatim copies of press releases passed around by AP or similar agencies...

    the investigative journalist are a myth these days, much the same as the rugged individual and other such concepts that US people wraps themselves in each day.

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    comment first, facts later. http://chem.tufts.edu/AnswersInScience/RelativityofWrong.htm
  63. Sniffle... by stewbacca · · Score: 1

    I miss the days when Apple was associated with liberal causes.

  64. This just in... by mqduck · · Score: 1

    This just in:

    Adolph Hitler condemns my beloved kitty as "an enemy of Nazism", praises my ex by saying "let the world know, MQDuck's ex is great in the eyes of Hitler".

    Naturally, I'm devestated.

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    Property is theft.
  65. Bin Laden by jDeepbeep · · Score: 1

    The only way this could get worse for Apple is if Osama Bin Laden reads his next set of crazy pronouncements off an iPad.

    Need a teleprompter? There's an app for that.

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    Reply to That ||
  66. Murdoch = Moron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who cares what this clueless idiot thinks?!!

  67. God, kill this man already by unity100 · · Score: 1

    he is doing so much evil and filth that he not only plagues america, but infects overseas.

    so, god, gods, whatever (he/she/they) holds the power of life and death for this locale of the galaxy, please kill that fucking man and get us rid of him.

  68. free reads by zogger · · Score: 1

    Although the wsj and the economist are good reads, they present the globalist/statist/looter viewpoints more often than not. You won't find much in the way of contrarian analysis at those sites, so you need some balance. Check out the market oracle http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/ and global research http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=home for some alternative views.

  69. To every who thinks Google News 'steals' by geekoid · · Score: 1

    Go here:
    http://news.google.com/

    Find an article. Click on it.
    Hey, what do you know it takes you to the site to read the story.
    The only exception I can find is AP stories; which Google pays for.

    RM is scared that eventually people will go directly to AP as a news source. RM doesn't sell news, he sells 'appeal to emotion'.

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    The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
  70. Define Newspaper...moot points by tinker_taylor · · Score: 1

    Based on Murdoch's track-record, it seems like none of what he would define as "News outlet" would actually qualify as being bona-fide Journalistic entities. Take Fox News for that matter...they don't report news, they manufacture it. I am certain all of Murdoch's "News outlets" are manufacturers of News. I guess that does qualify them as "News outlets" sans the Journalism.

    So it is not very clear why he is mad at Search engines for distributing. Isn't the fact that one is able to distribute one's propaganda for free a dream-come-true for a Propagandist? What else does he expect now? Google should pay him $$$ for the garbage that his "News Outlets" produce?!? :o

  71. Most of the cost is because of the cost by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

    The fact is, running a web site and having a staff of 20 writers and good salaries would cost under 3 million dollars a year.
    Less if the writers mostly work from home. You could have a small office to meet in.

    A 3 million dollar a year business might justify perhaps 10 million a year in revenues-- divide that by 10 million readers and you get a cost of $1 a year.

    All of these businesses are trying to charge the SAME price for when they had printing facilities, physical products, shipping costs, heating and airconditioning for a huge marble palace of an office in one of the more expensive cities in the world.

    Songs should be $.25-- NOT $1.00. Because the audience size is not the 100,000 listeners it was 30 years ago but 100,000,000 listeners.

    JK Rowlings Harry Potter books were grossly overpriced. They were priced for a single country audience but sold to a world wide audience.

    We are not getting the benefits of capitalism. The books could have sold for $4 and she would have still had a hundred million dollars-- and we could have bought other books by other writers. Instead we pay $13-- she has over a billion dollars- and other writers get starved out.

    So many products should cost a fraction of what they charge these days. MP3's have NO VINYL RECORD BREAKAGE for cripe's sake. And no restocking costs.

    Lots of people could be making solid amounts of $500k to a few million- but instead we have a small number of people making hundreds of millions and a larger mass of poverty.

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    She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
  72. False by geekoid · · Score: 1

    Compared to what it was 25 years ago, it is a rag.

    There is an outlet for reports, it's called 'Blogs'. Guess what? good ones make money. There is also the AP.

    "Blogs and Google News on their own would be almost completely devoid of news if all the newspapers closed shop today"

    False.
    There are Blogs that have original content, and there is no reason your reporter friends can't start one.

    Google News PAYS for the AP stories and only lists the beginning sentence or two from other news organizations,. If you want to read the story, you click on the link and get taken to the appropriate website.

    Google News does it exactly right. Clearly fair use, clearly not 'stealing' revenue.

    Maybe you should actually go to google news instead of sounding like an idiot?

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    The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
  73. "let them stand up and do their own reporting" by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    Now, hang on, isn't most of the news in Murdoch's papers just regurgitated wire items? What does he think "reporting" means?

    But aside from that, I actually agree. Google doing their own reporting would kill the newspapers stone dead, and let's face it -- it's about time.

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    Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
  74. I long for the days when usenet was relevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would be all over alt.rupert.murdoch.die.die.die

  75. "I don't think he knows about 2nd breakfast." by weston · · Score: 1

    You don't know about 2nd breakfast? ;)

    Seriously, though, I've been looking at e-readers for a while. I've been thinking I'd like something like one (long battery life, similar form factor) that also had some general computing capabilities, a touchscreen, and the option to attach an external keyboard. Something that could both replace the stack of books that rotates through my laptop bag and serve as a sketchpad for code, music ideas, random text/writing, and as a general web surfing device, something with significantly longer battery life than my laptop. Some netbooks are close, but I don't think a fold-out device is right for what I have in mind. The iPad fits the requirements pretty well. If it were $300, I might already have one.

  76. Re:Murdoch is avoiding the real story by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

    Murdoch has got it ass-about. The reason that print media is dying is that the classified advertising model that was so profitable for so long has died.

    That's part of the reason print newspapers, especially print dailies, are dying. Though its not the only one -- another thing is that a lot of the cheap, low-hanging fruit of journalism, the stuff that amounts to just relaying press releases with minimal work -- has dropped in value to the consumer as there are more competing outlets for that (including, since the advent of email, getting them straight from the horse's mouth.)

  77. Of course. by lien_meat · · Score: 1

    If the Ipad is going to revolutionize anything, it's going to be big media. Itunes pretty much did it a while ago with the hurting music industry, and I believe the Ipad is another venture to keep big media happy and make apple a fortune. I personally don't think the ipad is that appealing, and I will probably never own one, but I DO think it's an attractive platform for big media, and maybe that is why it is being hyped so much. Big media sees it as a possible answer to some of it's problems, so if it can make this thing popular enough, then it has a way to prolong it's survival.

    What I think is interesting about this though, is that if advertising via big media still works, then obviously big media is doing just fine. If newspaper is failing, fine, just move it to a more current medium. I don't see an issue here. There is plenty of room to expand to digital mediums instead of printing everything. If you don't want it to be a (mostly) open technology like the internet, fine...pretty sure there is enough similarly-minded money out there to back whatever your silly idea is. I believe this is exactly what the ipad was created for.

  78. Let me explain by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    You hit the nail on the head. There's a fair amount of pathological hatred here for anyone who doesn't think the same way the open source/freedom zealots do. Reading some of these rants, you'd think Apple is roasting babies on the spit.

    That's because, from a software freedom point of view, Apple IS baby-eating bad. They're at the cutting edge of promoting the adoption of totally closed, vendor-controlled software environments - now Microsoft has gone from an open to totally closed environment with their mobile OS, copying Apple verbatim, and Palm did almost the same thing going to WebOS. Even Android phones aren't as open as, say, earlier Palms or Windows Mobile phones. Apple is lowering society's expectations about software freedom.

    Services that might have been offered as platform-independent web apps or J2ME applets in the past are now being offered as iPhone apps instead.

    Now a totally closed OS is on a tablet. Next maybe a netbook, then a laptop, then a desktop, who knows. So, to anyone who gives half a shit about software freedom, Apple is the devil.

    Hope this gives you some perspective.

    - Freedom zealot

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    "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
  79. Why I'm quitting Slashdot by Swift2001 · · Score: 1

    You're no longer relevant. This item, and the last five or six, are not about Apple. They are about how some people think Apple is terrible, and Google is good. Well, good luck to you. Apparently, one way that Apple is bad is that Rupert Murdoch hopes to make money from the iPad. Well, I don't know. The WSJ app sucks, big time, but nobody cares. The rabid conservatives loves them freakin' editorials, and then people get the news and stock market stuff to make money. Google doesn't have to make money this way. They give away Android, because they make their money selling you to advertisers. They've got a business, and so does Apple. Bless 'em both. Bye, all.

  80. Pro Publica = journalism in the public interest by llamafirst · · Score: 1

    If anyone here wants to support journalism in the public interest (not Corporate controlled or all about supporting the status quo) donate to the organization Pro Publica and/or read their stories and forward them to your friends and colleagues.

    Pro Publica is "an independent, non-profit newsroom that produces investigative journalism in the public interest. Our work focuses exclusively on truly important stories, stories with “moral force.” We do this by producing journalism that shines a light on exploitation of the weak by the strong and on the failures of those with power to vindicate the trust placed in them." See Pro Publica.

    BTW, I just saw on their site a recent award...

    [[ProPublica is pleased to be the recipient of the first Edward R. Murrow Award for Media Entrepreneurship from Washington State University’s Murrow College of Communication. ProPublica is being recognized for its work as a "nonprofit provider of hard-hitting online journalism," according to Lawrence Pintak, the founding dean of Murrow College, which is named for the legendary CBS News broadcaster and journalist.

    And they are a 501c3 tax-deductible organization. Donate to them here.

    (for the record, I'm not affiliated with them, I just think they are groovy.)

  81. That's so funny... by AlgorithMan · · Score: 1

    That's so funny considering that "Journalists" today take most of their infos from wikipedia (and a little bit of google)

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    The MAFIAA is a bunch of mindless jerks who will be the first up against the wall when the revolution comes
  82. Proof Positive by hazydave · · Score: 1

    Murdoch loves the iPad? Proof positive that he's evil.

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    -Dave Haynie