six - you should go to the recruiter, tell them about the counter offer, and see if they can't give you a little more. I wouldn't necessarilly get the two sides in a bidding war (that might well leave your new employer with a bad taste in their mouth), but if they can outdo the counter-offer by a little bit, it might go a long way toward making your decision easier.
I agree with the first half of that, but not the second. Recruiters that I've spoken to hate getting into bidding wars and will usually try to talk you out of playing that game (assuming that they don't drop you in the first place).
Counter offers are a dangerous thing. I once accepted one only to quit three months later. That was because the extra cash and new job title really didn't change the things that I hated about the company I was in at the time.
They are flattering when you get them, but step back and look at your situation critically. Consider things like these:
- Is an increase in your present company with no other changes in the environment going to make you happy?
- Maybe the place you're going to has better job security over your present job?
- Are there other factors that are making you look for another position other than money?
You also have to consider the fact that you have now telegraphed your "dislike" for your present company. Your present employer isn't going to be thrilled that you're leaving and you may find that it is difficult to work there going forward.
I won't deny that it's a tough decision, but the safe route IMHO is to say no and move on.
How many other companies (Epson, Lexmark, etc.) do this? If we know that one or more of them doesn't do this sort of thing, we simply vote with our dollars and see what happens next.
Rogers High Speed Interet in Canada seems to going down that road as evidenced by this article and it's main competition Bell Sympatico has already "been there and done that." Face it, the days of unlimited Internet access are over. We can either throw in the towel, or switch to providers that support unlimited Internet access on mass.
Then the people who put out TV shows will have to resort to product placements within shows to make sure that we are all brainwashed into buying products. Then nothing can stop their evil plans!
After reading this comment, is it possible that a movement like this on a larger scale could be organized. Other school districts could benefit from something like this before M$ shows up on their doorstep.
According to this story, the stock is up so far today. That's a shock to me considering that according to this story that the street expressed it's displeasure with the idea by pushing HP stock down 25%.
M$ is doing a cash grab having missed their revenue targets recently. M$ knows that nobody has their ducks in a row when it comes to licences and all this amounts to is a version of the "protection racket." (i.e. Pay us some amount of money to protect yourselves from us)
Maybe/.'ers should help them out by putting a distro together with X and Wine and StarOffice to replace all of the M$ softeare they have.
Now that we know that companies like this exist, how do you as a person who is responible for dumping old equipment ensure that your company erases sensitive data so that it cannot be recovered by anyone. You have to believe that there have to be one or two people out there who are looking to do something "bad" with the data they find on disposed computers.
That's because Compaq has the reputation and the market share in Intel based servers and desktops as well as the enterprise stuff (Alpha, Tandem, SAN's). HP sells this stuff as well, but stuff like the 9000 series UNIX boxes are kind of dead and they have nothing in the way of storage that competes against EMC. Not to mention that their Intel stuff is not really competetive against the likes of Dell. Or the fact that they have nothing in the Tandem universe.
The other thing to consider is that HP gets Compaq's professional services group. That's a big plus as HP really doesn't have a professional services group (thus the need to buy Price Waterhouse Coopers a while back).
Basically, HP gets everything they need in one shot..... Assuming that the merger passes.
It's great that Google doesn't do the payola thing, but they're a business like any other so one has to question how long they can continue to do so. They take ads, and they even do targeted advertising based on the keywords that you type in. Can payola be far behind?
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six - you should go to the recruiter, tell them about the counter offer, and see if they can't give you a little more. I wouldn't necessarilly get the two sides in a bidding war (that might well leave your new employer with a bad taste in their mouth), but if they can outdo the counter-offer by a little bit, it might go a long way toward making your decision easier.
I agree with the first half of that, but not the second. Recruiters that I've spoken to hate getting into bidding wars and will usually try to talk you out of playing that game (assuming that they don't drop you in the first place).
Counter offers are a dangerous thing. I once accepted one only to quit three months later. That was because the extra cash and new job title really didn't change the things that I hated about the company I was in at the time.
They are flattering when you get them, but step back and look at your situation critically. Consider things like these:
- Is an increase in your present company with no other changes in the environment going to make you happy?
- Maybe the place you're going to has better job security over your present job?
- Are there other factors that are making you look for another position other than money?
You also have to consider the fact that you have now telegraphed your "dislike" for your present company. Your present employer isn't going to be thrilled that you're leaving and you may find that it is difficult to work there going forward.
I won't deny that it's a tough decision, but the safe route IMHO is to say no and move on.
HERE
They explain the merits of both and it seems to be well balanced.
located at news.com. It's quick and to the point.
How many other companies (Epson, Lexmark, etc.) do this? If we know that one or more of them doesn't do this sort of thing, we simply vote with our dollars and see what happens next.
At here.
Rogers High Speed Interet in Canada seems to going down that road as evidenced by this article and it's main competition Bell Sympatico has already "been there and done that." Face it, the days of unlimited Internet access are over. We can either throw in the towel, or switch to providers that support unlimited Internet access on mass.
Windows is actually modular enough to allow people to add their own apps. I'm amazed!
The next thing Microsoft will tell me is that the sky is blue.
How long before the mainstream record industry either:
A: Assimilates this.
B: Tries to kill this.
Then the people who put out TV shows will have to resort to product placements within shows to make sure that we are all brainwashed into buying products. Then nothing can stop their evil plans!
After reading this comment, is it possible that a movement like this on a larger scale could be organized. Other school districts could benefit from something like this before M$ shows up on their doorstep.
"Peter Parker isn't as deep as the Skywalker brothers and Uncle Ben is no Obi-Wan."
Skywalker brothers? I know that the Star Wars story is complicated, but I always thought Luke had a sister....
Does Katz know something I don't?
At Ipaq LINUX, the familiar project, or at Intimate Handhelds.
(Just in case somebody isn't aware of this)
According to this story, the stock is up so far today. That's a shock to me considering that according to this story that the street expressed it's displeasure with the idea by pushing HP stock down 25%.
Maybe it's a post merger hangover?
- This article from space.com about the flu virus is brought into the environment via space debris, space dust, etc.
- According to this story germs can survive and even thrive and mutate in outer space.
I'd say that someone should be concerned....
M$ is doing a cash grab having missed their revenue targets recently. M$ knows that nobody has their ducks in a row when it comes to licences and all this amounts to is a version of the "protection racket." (i.e. Pay us some amount of money to protect yourselves from us)
/.'ers should help them out by putting a distro together with X and Wine and StarOffice to replace all of the M$ softeare they have.
Maybe
Now that we know that companies like this exist, how do you as a person who is responible for dumping old equipment ensure that your company erases sensitive data so that it cannot be recovered by anyone. You have to believe that there have to be one or two people out there who are looking to do something "bad" with the data they find on disposed computers.
....here FWIW.
Linux support just like the PS2? It would be one hell of an cheap beowolf cluster.
(And you can run GT3 when you're bored!)
That's because Compaq has the reputation and the market share in Intel based servers and desktops as well as the enterprise stuff (Alpha, Tandem, SAN's). HP sells this stuff as well, but stuff like the 9000 series UNIX boxes are kind of dead and they have nothing in the way of storage that competes against EMC. Not to mention that their Intel stuff is not really competetive against the likes of Dell. Or the fact that they have nothing in the Tandem universe.
The other thing to consider is that HP gets Compaq's professional services group. That's a big plus as HP really doesn't have a professional services group (thus the need to buy Price Waterhouse Coopers a while back).
Basically, HP gets everything they need in one shot..... Assuming that the merger passes.
Do they use a Vulcan Mind meld?
It's great that Google doesn't do the payola thing, but they're a business like any other so one has to question how long they can continue to do so. They take ads, and they even do targeted advertising based on the keywords that you type in. Can payola be far behind?
can be found here.
Methinks that they take the word MASTER too seriously.
can be found here. BTW, their stock was down almost $12 USD the last time I checked. I guess that RAMBUS losing is a bad thing for their market cap...