can't we have a linux kernel thats released that doesn't need a new release every few weeks? After all MS has a new version of windows out every 3 years or so. And doesn't need to constantly update their kernel for it. Its a rarity for a windows kernel to be updated. Since not so many functions are integrated into it as the linux kernel has. They're all external and therefore when a problem with them is found, the kernel doesn't need updating, just the outside component. Sure makes it easier on me and on MS instead of having to compile a new kernel, they just compile the component that needs updating.
I dunno about you but I wouldnt wanna see someone take a 10 minute dump in a movie. The movie pleasantville shows it best when the sister goes to the bathroom in the diner and finds there are no toilets in the stalls. Just an empty space.
Im sorry but if this guy is saying that none of that occurs, he's just ignoring the evidence. For example on the alien abductions phenomona: -the witnesses -the mysterious scars -the missing time -the hypnotic regressions of that missing time Roswell, New Mexico 1947: -the witnesses -the pieces of the crashed UFO wreckage -the alien bodies -the pieces of the craft that when burned would not burn -the pieces of the craft that looked like tinfoil that when crumpled up would uncrumple itself once put down and look as if it had never been crumpled up -the eye beam pieces that major jesse marcel brought home to his son from the crashed alien wreckage that had the mysterious writing on it that could not be decyphered -how the eye witnesses were threatened by the army to keep quiet or else their bodies would never be found in the desert and it was kept a secret for 30 years Travis Walton, November 1975: -He was gone for 5 days -His friends saw the UFO that later on abducted them along with the beam of light that hit him knocking him unconcious -when he was returned 5 days later, he was not hungry only thirsty -the hypnotic regression used on him that recovered the missing memories of the short amount of time that he was concious when he was on the alien craft after being taken -during the 5 days that he was missing, they could not find any evidence what so ever of where he went -sometime after travis walton was returned, him and the other guys all took a lie detector and passed. UFO Sightings in general: -the last 50+ years of pictures, videos, eye witness accounts of ufo's in the sky doing manuveurs that no man made object could do at the time Area 51: -eye witness accounts of people that have worked their of what they saw -the fact that the govenment has lied of its existence for the past 50+ years Egypt and other ancient civilizations: -the egyption hyroglyphics depicting aliens and their alien technology -a painting done in the 16th century showing a flying space ready vehicle being flown in the sky with its occupant shown in it -the ancient myan civilization on the unknown reasons why they built it looked like huge runways that could only be viewed from high up in the air on the patterns they showed -evidence showing that we have been visited for alot longer then the past 50+ years that is more in the centuries.
Yeah sure none of this exists. You can continue on believing what you want. But tell that to the eye witnesses who has witnessed all of this. I dont believe in the tabloids either like weekly world news or that the moon landing was faked. But don't dismiss all the points I've made. There is truth in it. Then again, there are people who are religious and believe in god and yet have never needed any evidence to believe in that. There is evidence here that all this is a possibility. Unless you open up ur mind, all you'll be is close minded.
Right. So what you're saying is if I were to install windows XP right now I wouldn't have a browser that can't even do tabbed browsing, image resizing, or popup blocking? The media player wouldn't be DRM'd and the webserver wouldn't be vulnerable to say, the "sasser" virus or any other issues. Give me a fucking break.
Lets see, windows xp is about 3 years old now. Currently IE cant do tabbed browsing, then again, if u try to compare that with an installation of mozilla and the way it was 3 years ago, u'd get the same thing. IE does have image resizing, its turned on by default. I usually like it turned off though. The drm in windows media player does not prevent you from playing ordinary audio/video files so the drm is nothing but a feature unless you try to play some audio/video that has microsoft drm then it is used. But if it doesn't have it, the player doesn't use it. As for the sasser virus, I do recall a worm was going around a few years ago that would only hit redhat linux servers. It was put out after the patch was available for the redhat servers. Even though any linux server was vulnerable, it chose to only go after redhat servers. Turbo Linux as I know as well is now including a version of media player that has microsoft drm in it. So what you're saying is that a linux distribution from 3 years ago wouldn't need any patches and windows xp would? Quit ur bullshitting already, its getting old.
No. The reason the distros (not linux) have to include these is to make them different from every other distro. And openning up the add/remove programs tool in fedora which will then allow you to choose from hundreds of different packages, install the package of your choice AND add it to the kde and gnome menus isn't harder then installing software on windows.
Then you will tell me that if I install these programs myself like openoffice.org, it'll create all the shortcuts to it in the kde or gnome program menu? I won't have to make any special changes to the source code? Wake up genius. The reason why they're included is because without those changes made, it wouldn't work. There is no program in linux that works with all distro's. As for the add/remove programs in fedora, did you say choosing from hundreds of packages? Why do I want the ability to remove my kernel or libraries that the OS needs? Why do I want to remove anything that the OS needs? Why can't it just hide the ones that don't need to be removed and only show the programs that are installed like windows does?
Right. Because we all know how well the windows uninstall works. Granted gentoo and debian are the only two distro's that I know of that handle uninstalls very well, at least they can do it. What, a regular windows user is expected to edit the registry to completely remove a program?
It handles it just fine for me. Registry changes are automatically done and directories are all removed along with start menu program entries. All done.
If it doesn't then you can almost always find help on the internet.
You never answered my question though. Where can I see in linux where unknown hardware is shown? Then upgrade it using a wizard and not have to recompile the kernel in order to install the driver. Why can't linux handle binary drivers as well? Whats wrong with them if they work? Is seeing the source that important to you? Its not to me if it works. In windows I pop in the driver cd and it installs the driver for me through a wizard and it just works. I want to do that in linux and zealots like you obviously don't help And if it doesn't, then I bitch at the company that made the piece of hardware to get a working driver. Thats called support. I have never had to go out and buy another piece of hardware to replace one that didn't work in windows because I've never had a piece of hardware that didn't work in windows.
What if, for one reason or another, windows doesn't like a piece of your hardware. Good fucking luck getting it to
First, there's no 25 character product key you need to enter (after you find the key hidden on the bottom of the machine already installed under your desk). I honestly find the fedora install much more intuitive then the XP install, and the funny thing is, is that fedora (or any other distro) doesn't just install the OS. It installs pretty much ALL of the applications you will need to use.
This is one of your arguments on why windows is harder to install? How hard is it to type in a product key. If you find it hard, then you obviously have trouble typing. Which in your case is not the fault of windows.
The XP install includes the OS, a primitive browser, a DRM'd media player, and a very vulnerable web server.
Well that depends on the version of windows you are installing. If its windows 2000, then compare that install with a 4 year old install of linux and you'll start to see you get the same kind of software with both.
After that you still have to spend 5 hours installing graphics programs, an office suite, anti-virus, security patches, etc.
Of course you have to, but they are installed properly for you after all, and added to the start menu's list of programs. The reason why linux has to include this in its install is because it doesn't have an easy way for end users to install programs in linux. How many people do you see going with software that was not included with their distribution's install of linux? Not many. Why? Because there isnt an easy way to install software in linux. And by easy I mean as in just the way windows does it. You want to install a program, run the setup file, go through the wizard and it'll set it up for you nice and easily. It'll add it to the list of programs in the start menu too. If you want it gone, go to add/remove programs, select the program and click on remove, follow the wizard and its done.
So I might agree with you on some of your other points. But the windows install is by no means better than the linux install.
Oh sure it is, what if linux doesn't detect a piece of hardware you have installed while its installing. Where does it indicate that? None as far as I can tell. Windows on the other hand has device manager that shows all the unknown devices and if you point it to the directory that has the right driver for it, it uses it. Otherwise it doesn't.
I got xp and 1.5 GB of ram and xp works great soon as I turned off the swap file. I was told that "some" apps needed it, bullshit. The only one I can think of is adobe photoshop and it only gives u a slight warning when you run it, then just hit continue and it continues loading. Therefore it doesn't "need" it. Although my ram usage is usually at 700+ megs its fine by me. Now my swap is no longer a bottleneck since I don't got one:) Shows you how much ram windows actually uses. It's cut in half because half of it goes into the swap usually if u have it turned on.
nice threat:) try next time by replying with ur actual/. handle instead. Unless you are actually an anonymous coward. Sounds more like a linux zealot to me:)
It's the same reason why people today are still getting infected by the blaster worm. Because they just don't pay attention to what is going on. And that is why only 4 percent have done it so far. Because the vast majority of people just aren't aware of it. And don't really care.
such as the ability to guess what you'd like recorded based on your viewing habits."
I don't like that feature actually. I want it to be like a vcr. To record when I want it to record, not to guess what I like. I've read lots of news stories on users where their tivo records all kinds of shows that they never wanted to watch in the first place. In other words, I just want a digital vcr. Nothing more.
Anyway, Linux is sometimes a little bit more difficult to configure (not true for Mandrake, however). But it has a LOT of other benefits that far outweigh a glitchy soundcard installation.
Open Data formats Source Code Security Tons of nitch tools No per seat licensing
All that doesn't matter to me. In the end if it doesn't work then it doesnt work. Doesn't matter how many features it has. If the most basic of features doesn't work, thats what u work on. Forget the advanced features, their just extra's that can be added later.
Exactly my point.:) I want ONE way to install an app on any distro, not 3 or 4 different ways. Settle on a standard people. I know it means less choice but most people like it that way. Same goes with the way to remove a program. I want it easy and not command line based. And when I see a list of the programs I've installed, take out the stuff thats part of the initial OS installation. Put it in a seperate place at the very least. One for programs, the other for the OS files.
Sorry but I like downloading my software "once" and being able to install it then. Just double click the setup.exe file, go through the wizard, choose what components you want, choose where you want to install it, and bam! its done. If you want to remove it, go to add/remove programs, find ur program, click remove and it's done. I find that simple and easy to do. Its graphical, not command line based. I've never had an install program in windows hoze my system. Don't know where you're getting that from. And I use plenty of programs in windows. So to go with ur argument, there's a layer of smart folks who check my program out before they package it out in an install program, they're the programmers who make the program itself. With apt, you have the people who made the program, and create a simple install, that might not work with every distro out there. Then u got the people who package it up for apt. Why don't the author's just do it themselves? Because you can't have everyone adding their apps to apt, since it is an online service. And when was the last time you were told in windows you needed this and this and this to install that program? Sure apt resolves that but why not just include that as part of the program itself? Maybe because there isn't a standard set of base files in linux. That's why u got dependancy hell.
yeah its getting their but I want my installation wizards for programs damnit:) As well as having an easy way to remove programs that I've installed. One more thing though, an easier way to install drivers too. And have unknown devices show up as well if there is no driver part of the install yet. Make it graphical and an easy way to do it at the command line. And distro specific packages like rpm don't cut it. I want a way that'll work with all distro's, not just a specific one. You can install the same program on windows 98/2000/xp. MS did it, now its time for linux to do it.
ack! better put in my tinfoil hat now:) Don't want the government spying on the rfid tag in my head. This article proves that they actually work...can you believe it???:D
Well it's distributed to every artist on an equal basis I think. Whatever the percentage is that goes to artists. But the RIAA still itself takes way too much profit. Apple even admitted that it makes no money but enough to make up for the costs on the selling of each song. They dont care though cuz they're selling ipods which is where they make their money. So that means that napster isnt making any money doing this. After all, it isn't costing the riaa any money to send out copies of the song. One copy is all that is needed and the online music stores pay for all the costs associated with that. This needs to change.
Heh I couldnt imagine it. One guy that I swear he must have been a bum alwayz smelled fousty. On the way to work, I bus it to work, if he sat in the back of the bus near me, I'd be forced to move. It was that bad.
Mod the above post up as funny btw, frickn hiliarious the way they put it. lol
Now you all say that linux is free right. You don't have to pay for upgrades. Well look at how long you get support for it. Redhat's free version of linux the support was being dwindled down to 1 year. Take a look at MS's support cycle. Up to 7 years for updates/patches. If you want that same thing with linux, well of course you'll have to pay for it.
No its the way most companies are setup to hiring people. They have a human resources department that is in charge of nothing else but hiring people. They aren't specialists in the field that they're told to hire people. They're just told basically what skills a person needs to be hired. Which is why some people never seem to get hired easily, because the ones who are put in charge of hiring them, don't know jack about the position that they are going to fill.
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I thought it said whiny when I read the headline :)
can't we have a linux kernel thats released that doesn't need a new release every few weeks? After all MS has a new version of windows out every 3 years or so. And doesn't need to constantly update their kernel for it. Its a rarity for a windows kernel to be updated. Since not so many functions are integrated into it as the linux kernel has. They're all external and therefore when a problem with them is found, the kernel doesn't need updating, just the outside component. Sure makes it easier on me and on MS instead of having to compile a new kernel, they just compile the component that needs updating.
I dunno about you but I wouldnt wanna see someone take a 10 minute dump in a movie. The movie pleasantville shows it best when the sister goes to the bathroom in the diner and finds there are no toilets in the stalls. Just an empty space.
Hell, OS 8 wasn't even out yet. They were using 7.5.1 or .3. God help them.
Actually they were using a beta of OS 8 at the time since apple paid to have its computers in the movie.
Im sorry but if this guy is saying that none of that occurs, he's just ignoring the evidence. For example on the alien abductions phenomona:
-the witnesses
-the mysterious scars
-the missing time
-the hypnotic regressions of that missing time
Roswell, New Mexico 1947:
-the witnesses
-the pieces of the crashed UFO wreckage
-the alien bodies
-the pieces of the craft that when burned would not burn
-the pieces of the craft that looked like tinfoil that when crumpled up would uncrumple itself once put down and look as if it had never been crumpled up
-the eye beam pieces that major jesse marcel brought home to his son from the crashed alien wreckage that had the mysterious writing on it that could not be decyphered
-how the eye witnesses were threatened by the army to keep quiet or else their bodies would never be found in the desert and it was kept a secret for 30 years
Travis Walton, November 1975:
-He was gone for 5 days
-His friends saw the UFO that later on abducted them along with the beam of light that hit him knocking him unconcious
-when he was returned 5 days later, he was not hungry only thirsty
-the hypnotic regression used on him that recovered the missing memories of the short amount of time that he was concious when he was on the alien craft after being taken
-during the 5 days that he was missing, they could not find any evidence what so ever of where he went
-sometime after travis walton was returned, him and the other guys all took a lie detector and passed.
UFO Sightings in general:
-the last 50+ years of pictures, videos, eye witness accounts of ufo's in the sky doing manuveurs that no man made object could do at the time
Area 51:
-eye witness accounts of people that have worked their of what they saw
-the fact that the govenment has lied of its existence for the past 50+ years
Egypt and other ancient civilizations:
-the egyption hyroglyphics depicting aliens and their alien technology
-a painting done in the 16th century showing a flying space ready vehicle being flown in the sky with its occupant shown in it
-the ancient myan civilization on the unknown reasons why they built it looked like huge runways that could only be viewed from high up in the air on the patterns they showed
-evidence showing that we have been visited for alot longer then the past 50+ years that is more in the centuries.
Yeah sure none of this exists. You can continue on believing what you want. But tell that to the eye witnesses who has witnessed all of this. I dont believe in the tabloids either like weekly world news or that the moon landing was faked. But don't dismiss all the points I've made. There is truth in it. Then again, there are people who are religious and believe in god and yet have never needed any evidence to believe in that. There is evidence here that all this is a possibility. Unless you open up ur mind, all you'll be is close minded.
Right. So what you're saying is if I were to install windows XP right now I wouldn't have a browser that can't even do tabbed browsing, image resizing, or popup blocking? The media player wouldn't be DRM'd and the webserver wouldn't be vulnerable to say, the "sasser" virus or any other issues. Give me a fucking break.
Lets see, windows xp is about 3 years old now. Currently IE cant do tabbed browsing, then again, if u try to compare that with an installation of mozilla and the way it was 3 years ago, u'd get the same thing. IE does have image resizing, its turned on by default. I usually like it turned off though. The drm in windows media player does not prevent you from playing ordinary audio/video files so the drm is nothing but a feature unless you try to play some audio/video that has microsoft drm then it is used. But if it doesn't have it, the player doesn't use it. As for the sasser virus, I do recall a worm was going around a few years ago that would only hit redhat linux servers. It was put out after the patch was available for the redhat servers. Even though any linux server was vulnerable, it chose to only go after redhat servers. Turbo Linux as I know as well is now including a version of media player that has microsoft drm in it. So what you're saying is that a linux distribution from 3 years ago wouldn't need any patches and windows xp would? Quit ur bullshitting already, its getting old.
No. The reason the distros (not linux) have to include these is to make them different from every other distro. And openning up the add/remove programs tool in fedora which will then allow you to choose from hundreds of different packages, install the package of your choice AND add it to the kde and gnome menus isn't harder then installing software on windows.
Then you will tell me that if I install these programs myself like openoffice.org, it'll create all the shortcuts to it in the kde or gnome program menu? I won't have to make any special changes to the source code? Wake up genius. The reason why they're included is because without those changes made, it wouldn't work. There is no program in linux that works with all distro's. As for the add/remove programs in fedora, did you say choosing from hundreds of packages? Why do I want the ability to remove my kernel or libraries that the OS needs? Why do I want to remove anything that the OS needs? Why can't it just hide the ones that don't need to be removed and only show the programs that are installed like windows does?
Right. Because we all know how well the windows uninstall works. Granted gentoo and debian are the only two distro's that I know of that handle uninstalls very well, at least they can do it. What, a regular windows user is expected to edit the registry to completely remove a program?
It handles it just fine for me. Registry changes are automatically done and directories are all removed along with start menu program entries. All done.
If it doesn't then you can almost always find help on the internet.
You never answered my question though. Where can I see in linux where unknown hardware is shown? Then upgrade it using a wizard and not have to recompile the kernel in order to install the driver. Why can't linux handle binary drivers as well? Whats wrong with them if they work? Is seeing the source that important to you? Its not to me if it works. In windows I pop in the driver cd and it installs the driver for me through a wizard and it just works. I want to do that in linux and zealots like you obviously don't help And if it doesn't, then I bitch at the company that made the piece of hardware to get a working driver. Thats called support. I have never had to go out and buy another piece of hardware to replace one that didn't work in windows because I've never had a piece of hardware that didn't work in windows.
What if, for one reason or another, windows doesn't like a piece of your hardware. Good fucking luck getting it to
First, there's no 25 character product key you need to enter (after you find the key hidden on the bottom of the machine already installed under your desk). I honestly find the fedora install much more intuitive then the XP install, and the funny thing is, is that fedora (or any other distro) doesn't just install the OS. It installs pretty much ALL of the applications you will need to use.
This is one of your arguments on why windows is harder to install? How hard is it to type in a product key. If you find it hard, then you obviously have trouble typing. Which in your case is not the fault of windows.
The XP install includes the OS, a primitive browser, a DRM'd media player, and a very vulnerable web server.
Well that depends on the version of windows you are installing. If its windows 2000, then compare that install with a 4 year old install of linux and you'll start to see you get the same kind of software with both.
After that you still have to spend 5 hours installing graphics programs, an office suite, anti-virus, security patches, etc.
Of course you have to, but they are installed properly for you after all, and added to the start menu's list of programs. The reason why linux has to include this in its install is because it doesn't have an easy way for end users to install programs in linux. How many people do you see going with software that was not included with their distribution's install of linux? Not many. Why? Because there isnt an easy way to install software in linux. And by easy I mean as in just the way windows does it. You want to install a program, run the setup file, go through the wizard and it'll set it up for you nice and easily. It'll add it to the list of programs in the start menu too. If you want it gone, go to add/remove programs, select the program and click on remove, follow the wizard and its done.
So I might agree with you on some of your other points. But the windows install is by no means better than the linux install.
Oh sure it is, what if linux doesn't detect a piece of hardware you have installed while its installing. Where does it indicate that? None as far as I can tell. Windows on the other hand has device manager that shows all the unknown devices and if you point it to the directory that has the right driver for it, it uses it. Otherwise it doesn't.
Soon enough we'll have these tiny computers in all of us to fight all kinds of disease. Resistance is futile.
I got xp and 1.5 GB of ram and xp works great soon as I turned off the swap file. I was told that "some" apps needed it, bullshit. The only one I can think of is adobe photoshop and it only gives u a slight warning when you run it, then just hit continue and it continues loading. Therefore it doesn't "need" it. Although my ram usage is usually at 700+ megs its fine by me. Now my swap is no longer a bottleneck since I don't got one :) Shows you how much ram windows actually uses. It's cut in half because half of it goes into the swap usually if u have it turned on.
nice threat :) try next time by replying with ur actual /. handle instead. Unless you are actually an anonymous coward. Sounds more like a linux zealot to me :)
It's the same reason why people today are still getting infected by the blaster worm. Because they just don't pay attention to what is going on. And that is why only 4 percent have done it so far. Because the vast majority of people just aren't aware of it. And don't really care.
such as the ability to guess what you'd like recorded based on your viewing habits."
I don't like that feature actually. I want it to be like a vcr. To record when I want it to record, not to guess what I like. I've read lots of news stories on users where their tivo records all kinds of shows that they never wanted to watch in the first place. In other words, I just want a digital vcr. Nothing more.
Young Drunk Homer:
Ambulance guy: sir you have had a dangerous amount of alchohol to drink.
Homer: The only dangerous amount of alchohol is none.
Anyway, Linux is sometimes a little bit more difficult to configure (not true for Mandrake, however). But it has a LOT of other benefits that far outweigh a glitchy soundcard installation.
Open Data formats
Source Code
Security
Tons of nitch tools
No per seat licensing
All that doesn't matter to me. In the end if it doesn't work then it doesnt work. Doesn't matter how many features it has. If the most basic of features doesn't work, thats what u work on. Forget the advanced features, their just extra's that can be added later.
Exactly my point. :) I want ONE way to install an app on any distro, not 3 or 4 different ways. Settle on a standard people. I know it means less choice but most people like it that way. Same goes with the way to remove a program. I want it easy and not command line based. And when I see a list of the programs I've installed, take out the stuff thats part of the initial OS installation. Put it in a seperate place at the very least. One for programs, the other for the OS files.
Sorry but I like downloading my software "once" and being able to install it then. Just double click the setup.exe file, go through the wizard, choose what components you want, choose where you want to install it, and bam! its done. If you want to remove it, go to add/remove programs, find ur program, click remove and it's done. I find that simple and easy to do. Its graphical, not command line based. I've never had an install program in windows hoze my system. Don't know where you're getting that from. And I use plenty of programs in windows. So to go with ur argument, there's a layer of smart folks who check my program out before they package it out in an install program, they're the programmers who make the program itself. With apt, you have the people who made the program, and create a simple install, that might not work with every distro out there. Then u got the people who package it up for apt. Why don't the author's just do it themselves? Because you can't have everyone adding their apps to apt, since it is an online service. And when was the last time you were told in windows you needed this and this and this to install that program? Sure apt resolves that but why not just include that as part of the program itself? Maybe because there isn't a standard set of base files in linux. That's why u got dependancy hell.
yeah its getting their but I want my installation wizards for programs damnit :) As well as having an easy way to remove programs that I've installed. One more thing though, an easier way to install drivers too. And have unknown devices show up as well if there is no driver part of the install yet. Make it graphical and an easy way to do it at the command line. And distro specific packages like rpm don't cut it. I want a way that'll work with all distro's, not just a specific one. You can install the same program on windows 98/2000/xp. MS did it, now its time for linux to do it.
ack! better put in my tinfoil hat now :) Don't want the government spying on the rfid tag in my head. This article proves that they actually work...can you believe it??? :D
Well it's distributed to every artist on an equal basis I think. Whatever the percentage is that goes to artists. But the RIAA still itself takes way too much profit. Apple even admitted that it makes no money but enough to make up for the costs on the selling of each song. They dont care though cuz they're selling ipods which is where they make their money. So that means that napster isnt making any money doing this. After all, it isn't costing the riaa any money to send out copies of the song. One copy is all that is needed and the online music stores pay for all the costs associated with that. This needs to change.
Heh I couldnt imagine it. One guy that I swear he must have been a bum alwayz smelled fousty. On the way to work, I bus it to work, if he sat in the back of the bus near me, I'd be forced to move. It was that bad.
Mod the above post up as funny btw, frickn hiliarious the way they put it. lol
Here's a newsforge article posted by the first comment to the kde quality team article.
Well if we can master this, perhaps we can master warp drive. Just gotta watch out for the romulans :)
CorporateLand? Im there right now but not making as much money as I hope to. Did you ever have to work in a cubicle? :)
Now you all say that linux is free right. You don't have to pay for upgrades. Well look at how long you get support for it. Redhat's free version of linux the support was being dwindled down to 1 year. Take a look at MS's support cycle. Up to 7 years for updates/patches. If you want that same thing with linux, well of course you'll have to pay for it.
No its the way most companies are setup to hiring people. They have a human resources department that is in charge of nothing else but hiring people. They aren't specialists in the field that they're told to hire people. They're just told basically what skills a person needs to be hired. Which is why some people never seem to get hired easily, because the ones who are put in charge of hiring them, don't know jack about the position that they are going to fill.