I think most of the people underestimates Windows Mobile (WM).
They (M$) may have a small market share, but is the corporate share.
WM comes with the expensive phones, and developers really use it to do things.
I've said this to oblivion and I will continue:
Currently, there is now real alternative to WM and Symbian if you want to develop a corporate application. They have good APIs, good IDEs, and yes Visual Studio is a good IDE, even if smartphone development is full of bugs.
The above requirements are fundamental. If google produces an easy way to develop good applications (not the J2ME toys), then it may succeed.
M$ is being underestimated with windows mobile...
Man... After the wildfires in Portugal, Greece and Cyprus in the recent past, the EU is studying the possibility of a permanent task force (not one more crappy agency) in every country to provide swift help where needed, even outside the EU. In the cases of the above countries everyone sent help even without a formal agency. It seems that having FEMA is more of an excuse to be quiet in everyone's place, like with Katrina... You can think: well... FEMA will handle it, someone will, but it won't. In case of a catastrophe wee all need to be more altruistic. FEMA seems a lousy excuse to do nothing.
"How much cheaper is an ad-subsidized gPhone going to be in comparison to some relatively nice pre-paid phone?"
The real money in telecommunications is in paid services (cals, data, sms...). If the ads are not intrusive (like an sms bombardment), they may increase the revenue (hence a cheaper device), but I think they are a complement for the main business plane... Google is already to much exposed to the advertising market. I think they want to diversify their revenue.
In Europe the majority of phones can be found unlocked, but they are also more expensive that way. Operators don't seem to care if a phone is unlocked and used in another operator. I don't remember to hear someone complaining about bricked phones... In the end is all about the price of the services they provide, not the devices.
The companies have the power given by the market regulator. I think all consumers should complain more about the market regulator and less about the companies. They always try to maximise their profit. Its their obligation.
At an amateur level, J2ME is the best because is well documented, reasonable IDEs and free. It is not very powerful or fast, but it is simple and will do a lot of things.
At a professional level, Symbian and Windows CE/Mobile are the viable options. If you want to build a decent UI, get good performance and use decent IDEs and get lots of resources, that's the way. Linux is the most promising new platform, but I tried to get into openmoko, as a useful hobby, but the development tools are a lot different of what I'm used to... It is taking a lot more time than I expected to learn the thing.
"construct another spacecraft in space (also not in principle not hard, given the low gravity on any asteroid)..."
Yes right... I suppose it's even harder to depolarize your BS generator. Not even a man was putted in space by a private company and you are talking about private space factories in asteroids?... And low gravity is harder for humans.
yes, but you are importing inflation because foreign products are more expensive.
Also, every American is poorer because currency has less value... Is a covert way to reduce salaries without complains. Before the euro, in my country, devaluation often served this purpose.
Also... here in Europe, despite of the continuous rise of oil prices, because of the dollar devaluation, the oil price in euros is cheaper compared to the beginning of the year.
In Europe, being a socialist doesn't have anything to do with liberties. Liberty for the individuals is implicit in the concept of democracy, thus, all democratic parties should respect liberties.
Democratic Socialism is more about the creation of social safety nets and equal distribution of wealth.
Almost all Europe has public systems for education, health and social security. Those are fundamental socialistic achievements that even the European right wind (more like the democratic party in the US) agree with them.
High taxes... well everybody complains about them. Everywhere. To the efficiency problem in the public sector I oppose the profits of private companies, that, by the way, don't like poor people.
In the end, I think is better to use my taxes to teach and treat everyone for free... Less money to build bombers.
Hi! Can we say, if the big bang started in a single point who expanded itself, and because we are still inside that expanding point (the universe), no real center exists because the universe is the center?
Well... The lack of camera is a bad thing... But for this first version I think they chose the most important hardware for developers;) Let's wait for the next release.
Electric and Magnetic fields are coupled by the Maxwell Laws... It's because of that we call them ELECTROmagnetic fields. They propagate at the velocity of light, which is dependent of the propagation medium...
This magnetic response stuff must be better explained by the project promoters.
Hello. Thanks for your reply. My point is that a lot of threads (like the iPhone subjects) in Slashdot lack a sense of scientific analysis. There are a lot of engineers here and I don't like when the subjects are overwhelmed by emotional fanboys. Moreover, a lot of subjects are neglected because of gadgets of some company. IMHO the only breakthrough of the iPhone is the massive free pub that is getting. The market is full of phones (maybe not so visually appealing)... this is another one, not a cultural breakthrough like the iPod.
I'm starting to be a little tired of so many articles (free pub) about the iPhone... It seems it's going cure even global warming! Someone remembering all the pre-noise about PS3 and the reality after Nintendo kicked it's ass?
I'm a little tired of this "evil phone companies talk". In most of the western countries you have broad choice... My example: I work for a phone company, but I personally bye services from 2 others because I think the offer the product I want... No problem with that. Everybody do their business.
The problem with apple is that they also are a company, and nobody seems to remember that! Their business is create a product, over hype it, make it a cult object, get free publicity in every 10 or so articles from slashdot and maintain a horde of fanboys that will buy without a thought.
That's their primal objective, sell bye means of hype and buzz words. The technology inside only provides the means to that. Apple products are designed to be desired, like most of these gadgets. Ostentation is the word.
Mobile carriers don't need Apple to do business. I live in a country with 112 mobile phones per 100 people and almost anyone has a phone costing more than 300 euros. Also, phone unlocking is even more pervasive than file sharing. Apple is lucky if they manage to get even a 5% share... That's nothing.
15 cents it's expensive. I'm in Portugal and I pay 8 euro cents (don't text too much) but there are special plans for sms addicts at 1 euro cent per message.
If you want a machine that sums why do you buy a computer? You can always buy a calculator!
I'm tired of this "I don't what a Swiss knife phone talk". There's a lot of choice in the market... Go buy a nokia 1010 or something.
This subject has to much importance for this kind of light analysis.
Before I start, I must tell that I'm pro-open source and I don't like Microsoft or Apple.
The interesting point here is to create a good platform to support mobile computing. At the present moment the hardware standards are a mess and the software... In the last two years I've programmed in a lot of mobile environments like J2ME, Symbian and.NET Compact Framework, and I can tell you that the best one is.NET. J2ME is very limited, C++ for Symbian is very fast but the framework is unfriendly, taking a lot of time to develop an application. The compact framework from Microsoft is the more balanced and the one more used for B2B applications..NET is supperb? no, but it works well and is gaining support from the industry.
Unfortunately there's no practical open source alternative to the previous 3, and it is a shame. Mono and openMoko are not yet mature and mobile ubuntu is still vaporware.
In the meanwhile everybody speaks about Apple's iPhone... I don't see over there a good platform for third party applications. I'm not sure if apple has the resources to develop a software platform like Symbian or the.Net Compact Framework... And without that my friends, in 10 years, it does not matter if linux is in every desktop, the majority of computers will be portable and they will run windows because the industry will make software for them. The same old story over and over again.
The community needs to pay more attention to mobile devices.
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I think most of the people underestimates Windows Mobile (WM). They (M$) may have a small market share, but is the corporate share. WM comes with the expensive phones, and developers really use it to do things. I've said this to oblivion and I will continue: Currently, there is now real alternative to WM and Symbian if you want to develop a corporate application. They have good APIs, good IDEs, and yes Visual Studio is a good IDE, even if smartphone development is full of bugs. The above requirements are fundamental. If google produces an easy way to develop good applications (not the J2ME toys), then it may succeed. M$ is being underestimated with windows mobile...
it's even worse than that: http://paul.luon.net/journal/hacking/BrokenHDDs.html The article is from Nov. 25, 2005!
Man... After the wildfires in Portugal, Greece and Cyprus in the recent past, the EU is studying the possibility of a permanent task force (not one more crappy agency) in every country to provide swift help where needed, even outside the EU.
In the cases of the above countries everyone sent help even without a formal agency. It seems that having FEMA is more of an excuse to be quiet in everyone's place, like with Katrina... You can think: well... FEMA will handle it, someone will, but it won't.
In case of a catastrophe wee all need to be more altruistic.
FEMA seems a lousy excuse to do nothing.
200mbit/s... So, in 5 seconds you get a bit.
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M=10^6
m=10^-3
"How much cheaper is an ad-subsidized gPhone going to be in comparison to some relatively nice pre-paid phone?"
The real money in telecommunications is in paid services (cals, data, sms...).
If the ads are not intrusive (like an sms bombardment), they may increase the revenue (hence a cheaper device), but I think they are a complement for the main business plane... Google is already to much exposed to the advertising market. I think they want to diversify their revenue.
In Europe the majority of phones can be found unlocked, but they are also more expensive that way. Operators don't seem to care if a phone is unlocked and used in another operator. I don't remember to hear someone complaining about bricked phones... In the end is all about the price of the services they provide, not the devices.
The companies have the power given by the market regulator.
I think all consumers should complain more about the market regulator and less about the companies. They always try to maximise their profit. Its their obligation.
Hello.
At an amateur level, J2ME is the best because is well documented, reasonable IDEs and free. It is not very powerful or fast, but it is simple and will do a lot of things.
At a professional level, Symbian and Windows CE/Mobile are the viable options. If you want to build a decent UI, get good performance and use decent IDEs and get lots of resources, that's the way.
Linux is the most promising new platform, but I tried to get into openmoko, as a useful hobby, but the development tools are a lot different of what I'm used to... It is taking a lot more time than I expected to learn the thing.
"construct another spacecraft in space (also not in principle not hard, given the low gravity on any asteroid)..."
Yes right... I suppose it's even harder to depolarize your BS generator.
Not even a man was putted in space by a private company and you are talking about private space factories in asteroids?... And low gravity is harder for humans.
yes, but you are importing inflation because foreign products are more expensive.
Also, every American is poorer because currency has less value... Is a covert way to reduce salaries without complains. Before the euro, in my country, devaluation often served this purpose.
Also... here in Europe, despite of the continuous rise of oil prices, because of the dollar devaluation, the oil price in euros is cheaper compared to the beginning of the year.
sudo su
enjoy the root.
Sir, I think you are an anarchist. Taxes are the fundamental foundation of every state.
In Europe, being a socialist doesn't have anything to do with liberties. Liberty for the individuals is implicit in the concept of democracy, thus, all democratic parties should respect liberties.
Democratic Socialism is more about the creation of social safety nets and equal distribution of wealth.
Almost all Europe has public systems for education, health and social security. Those are fundamental socialistic achievements that even the European right wind (more like the democratic party in the US) agree with them.
High taxes... well everybody complains about them. Everywhere. To the efficiency problem in the public sector I oppose the profits of private companies, that, by the way, don't like poor people.
In the end, I think is better to use my taxes to teach and treat everyone for free... Less money to build bombers.
Hi!
Can we say, if the big bang started in a single point who expanded itself, and because we are still inside that expanding point (the universe), no real center exists because the universe is the center?
One buddy posted on Ubuntu forums:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=500702
Well... The lack of camera is a bad thing... But for this first version I think they chose the most important hardware for developers ;)
Let's wait for the next release.
Man... This seems like my own story :)
I must point also, that linux always will be more suitable for computer experienced people, and that's fine because their numbers are always growing.
When you build a linux box it becomes YOUR machine, not a product you buy, it's like building your home... and it feels fine.
response time of magnetic domains is non-zero
Electric and Magnetic fields are coupled by the Maxwell Laws... It's because of that we call them ELECTROmagnetic fields. They propagate at the velocity of light, which is dependent of the propagation medium...
This magnetic response stuff must be better explained by the project promoters.
Hello.
Thanks for your reply.
My point is that a lot of threads (like the iPhone subjects) in Slashdot lack a sense of scientific analysis. There are a lot of engineers here and I don't like when the subjects are overwhelmed by emotional fanboys. Moreover, a lot of subjects are neglected because of gadgets of some company. IMHO the only breakthrough of the iPhone is the massive free pub that is getting. The market is full of phones (maybe not so visually appealing)... this is another one, not a cultural breakthrough like the iPod.
I'm starting to be a little tired of so many articles (free pub) about the iPhone... It seems it's going cure even global warming!
Someone remembering all the pre-noise about PS3 and the reality after Nintendo kicked it's ass?
I'm a little tired of this "evil phone companies talk". In most of the western countries you have broad choice... My example: I work for a phone company, but I personally bye services from 2 others because I think the offer the product I want... No problem with that. Everybody do their business.
The problem with apple is that they also are a company, and nobody seems to remember that!
Their business is create a product, over hype it, make it a cult object, get free publicity in every 10 or so articles from slashdot and maintain a horde of fanboys that will buy without a thought.
That's their primal objective, sell bye means of hype and buzz words. The technology inside only provides the means to that.
Apple products are designed to be desired, like most of these gadgets.
Ostentation is the word.
Mobile carriers don't need Apple to do business. I live in a country with 112 mobile phones per 100 people and almost anyone has a phone costing more than 300 euros. Also, phone unlocking is even more pervasive than file sharing. Apple is lucky if they manage to get even a 5% share... That's nothing.
When you have a 2MB html file with bookmarks and the need to share it between 4 computers, like I do, you'll see the point.
Someone knows when they'll be available in Europe?
15 cents it's expensive. I'm in Portugal and I pay 8 euro cents (don't text too much) but there are special plans for sms addicts at 1 euro cent per message.
If you want a machine that sums why do you buy a computer? You can always buy a calculator! I'm tired of this "I don't what a Swiss knife phone talk". There's a lot of choice in the market... Go buy a nokia 1010 or something.
.NET Compact Framework, and I can tell you that the best one is .NET. J2ME is very limited, C++ for Symbian is very fast but the framework is unfriendly, taking a lot of time to develop an application. The compact framework from Microsoft is the more balanced and the one more used for B2B applications. .NET is supperb? no, but it works well and is gaining support from the industry.
.Net Compact Framework... And without that my friends, in 10 years, it does not matter if linux is in every desktop, the majority of computers will be portable and they will run windows because the industry will make software for them. The same old story over and over again.
This subject has to much importance for this kind of light analysis.
Before I start, I must tell that I'm pro-open source and I don't like Microsoft or Apple.
The interesting point here is to create a good platform to support mobile computing. At the present moment the hardware standards are a mess and the software... In the last two years I've programmed in a lot of mobile environments like J2ME, Symbian and
Unfortunately there's no practical open source alternative to the previous 3, and it is a shame. Mono and openMoko are not yet mature and mobile ubuntu is still vaporware.
In the meanwhile everybody speaks about Apple's iPhone... I don't see over there a good platform for third party applications. I'm not sure if apple has the resources to develop a software platform like Symbian or the
The community needs to pay more attention to mobile devices.