I've worked with some great female programmers. One thing is, they don't "play". They get the job done.
Excellent. I replying to you as you replied to me... we seem to be on the same wavelength. That is almost sig worthy. I would buy you a beer, but alas you seem to be in Swindon, whilst Im in Chiswick. And our other common bond is we are wasting company time by reading/posting to slashdot:)
Actually I gotta pipe up here. Ive worked with quite a few female programmers/developers. I find this trend depressing. Because developing complex software has a lot more to it than having skills such as grasps on logic and reason(even if what you state is true... which I personally doubt... but thats not my point)
One of the best thing about women and technology is than when a bunch of men get together to develop something they have this disturbing tendancy to get all carried away. Add a feature there. Sure we can get that done in six months. It can tend to turn into a "whose dick is bigger" contest. The female programmers Ive worked with have always been able to bring things down to earth when the testosterone gets a flowing.
None of the stakeholders (*the ones who are paying for the software) care one jot what the programmers and designers call themselves or the steps. They simply care that when someone says "that'll take $500k and 1000 man hours to give you what you want" that it really does cost that to deliver. And works, first time. Just like most houses / bridges / other engineering works!
I do not agree with this statment. There are quite often times when the stakeholders care and interfere quite a lot in the design and development process. Ive worked on such projects. Think, "you will use RUP, everything will be done in Java, You cannot use struts". Literally these were the rules. Even when it meant following the rules meant the project would fail. I actually got into trouble for breakign the rules(we were using a SOAP library that was closed source and had a serious flaw that meant we could do what we wanted to do... I subsituted it with the AXIS lib and found it worked fine... I didnt get into to much trouble... I was the lead designer/architect/what ever they call it these days).
As the guy said in the second article... there has to be a happy medium in software development. Between the extremes of rigidity and complete hackiness anarchy. But trying to turn the process into somethign that can be completely automated and down by robot clown monkeys just aint gonna happen. There aint no silver bullet. Of as my Mom always said... producing anything worthwhile is hard work. This doesnt just apply to software development.
I think one of the other problems is people not realising this fact(still... after 40 years now!). Good software requires thought, intelligence, dillegence, creativity(not is the art sense), patience, determination, passion, attention to detail, communication(this is probably the most important one these days) and lots of hard work. No silver bullet. Software design is managing complexity cause software is complex. Businesses hate to hear this because businesses(non software ones usually) like to be able to put things into neat little boxes and timeframes. Its makes the accountants happy dont you know ! (Oh... and any software developers out there... never ! ever ! work for accountants... I have and it was the most frustrating experience of my career).
And so what ? Say it forks to someone pwoerful(lets take a potential IBM fork for example). And the fork is, of course, still GPL. That fork then goes on to become the greatest OS in the history of mankind(until GNU/Hurd is finished of course;) ). Who loses in that senario. Its just simple competition in an open market.
If you're on a budget you'll get a bus to Canberra from Sydney.
Not necessiarily even if youre on a budget. Ive said in a previous flight that I do the LHR -> CAN trip quite a bit. Once you get to SYD you have 4 choices. Another flight, the bus, the train or hire a car(Id only hire a car if you really need like... well... a car). Never take the train. It takes longer than a bus and drops you in a backwater bit of Canberra... which youll need to spend 20 buck on a taxi to get to Civic(the middle bit of Canberra... near the ANU). Flights are good... dont take long... but then youre gonna need a taxi costing about 25 bucks.
I tend to take the bus. For a few resons. Firstly a bus leaves right from SYD international airport(as the nice people at the help desk). Secondly it takes about 2.5 -> 3 hrs. Thirdly most flights get in at an ungodly hour... by the time youve clear customs its prolly 6AM local time. If you jump on a bus you can have a nice nap(the bus is usually empty at this hour and the traffic on the highway light) and arrive in downtown Civic at a much more reasonable hour.
You are correct. You can also do the London - >LAX/SFO -> SYD -> CAN route... but I wouldnt recommend it. Im a Canberraian that lives in London and I have, err hum, a great deal of experience with this trip. It isnt a terribly pleasent one BTW.... 30 hours is a good ballpark.
Oh and looking at the recommendation for the Canberra backpackers... I would give that two thumbs up... at least two years ago... friends of mine have stayted there... its own by a fairly swank Hotel across the road... they even pipe the movie channels from the swank hotels in house cctv to the backpackers... TV in all rooms as well.. dorms and doubles/singles.
And if any space geeks wanna go and pay respect to the ruins of the tracking station that really txed the images and sound of Neil Armstrong taking his first steps on the moon then(despite what the move The Dish says... it wasnt Parkes) go to Honeysuckle Creek
My memory is jogged even further... they were apparently circa the American Civil War era. And they got three hundred dollars for em. And of course the reason he didnt mind parting with them too much was because they figured that, as they were in the past, they would be purchased at some point in the furture and given to Kirk again by McCoy. AFAIK it was never resolved as to weather or not this plan worked out. Tho I do seem to have a vague memory of Kirk wearing specs in a later movie. It might have been VI... or maybe even generations when he was in the dopey special effect heaven land. God I need to get out more.
And at that time it was just a code name - not a product name. Marketing has virtual no power over R&D code names - nor would they care about code names.
Correct. Im someone who works in R&D one of the projects I work on is called Madcows:) And thats actually an acronym for somneone... tho a very forced one:) Id seriously doubt if it would retain this name if it saw the light of the marketing dept.
OK... Im gonna show my self up as a Trek geek here. The spec Kirk had in IV and sold to get some cash were a gift from Dr McCoy... they were given to him in ST II because Kirk apparently had an allergy to the drug used to treat short sightedness((The drug had a name that started with an R... it was discussed in the scene in II when McCoy brings Kirk some brandy for his brithday)
The annoying ads are the ads you dont want to see. If Im actually interested in a product and there is an ad for it on a web site then Im fien with that(assuming its not an in your face pop up or dopey flash thingy). The true furture in advertising has to be in using technology to target potential customers a lot more effectively. The only push back from this is priovacy concerns.
No. There is a different kind of currency in volved. In fact several kind of currencies are given to successful open source developer. Things like kudo from your peers, a sense of accomplishment, satisfaction at having created something that other use(for money profit or not). It could also lead to a secure, interesting and profitable job... I mean to you think Tridge or Linus ever gonna be hard pressed to get their next gig....
All humans are generally motivated to do something to gain something... its just doesnt always mean that that is money
What is defined as a robot? Webster defines it as 1 a : a machine that looks like a human being and performs various complex acts (as walking or talking) of a human being; also : a similar but fictional machine whose lack of capacity for human emotions is often emphasized b : an efficient insensitive person who functions automatically 2 : a device that automatically performs complicated often repetitive tasks 3 : a mechanism guided by automatic controls
Were as the marketing depatrment of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation defines it as
you're dead inside.
"OK, so 10000 people died. Big fucking deal."
unbelievable.
Seconded. There are people who dont know if loved ones are alive or dead right now. My heart goes out to you guys... thankfully all the people I know in that region are OK... Take care all you SE asian slashdotters.
Wow. I just had a business idea. I agree that driving/bussing those short journies is a good idea. The main problem I have with coaches(not so muc hwith trains) is that its a pain to get any work done(try using a laptop in that cramped seat). Why not start up a business coach services. With internet connection etc... Id use it.
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I've worked with some great female programmers. One thing is, they don't "play". They get the job done.
:)
Excellent. I replying to you as you replied to me... we seem to be on the same wavelength. That is almost sig worthy. I would buy you a beer, but alas you seem to be in Swindon, whilst Im in Chiswick. And our other common bond is we are wasting company time by reading/posting to slashdot
Has anyone ever seen David Brin and Salmon Rushie together in the same room ?
Actually I gotta pipe up here. Ive worked with quite a few female programmers/developers. I find this trend depressing. Because developing complex software has a lot more to it than having skills such as grasps on logic and reason(even if what you state is true... which I personally doubt... but thats not my point)
One of the best thing about women and technology is than when a bunch of men get together to develop something they have this disturbing tendancy to get all carried away. Add a feature there. Sure we can get that done in six months. It can tend to turn into a "whose dick is bigger" contest. The female programmers Ive worked with have always been able to bring things down to earth when the testosterone gets a flowing.
Just my two quatloos
Enoch already with the puns.
None of the stakeholders (*the ones who are paying for the software) care one jot what the programmers and designers call themselves or the steps. They simply care that when someone says "that'll take $500k and 1000 man hours to give you what you want" that it really does cost that to deliver. And works, first time. Just like most houses / bridges / other engineering works!
I do not agree with this statment. There are quite often times when the stakeholders care and interfere quite a lot in the design and development process. Ive worked on such projects. Think, "you will use RUP, everything will be done in Java, You cannot use struts". Literally these were the rules. Even when it meant following the rules meant the project would fail. I actually got into trouble for breakign the rules(we were using a SOAP library that was closed source and had a serious flaw that meant we could do what we wanted to do... I subsituted it with the AXIS lib and found it worked fine... I didnt get into to much trouble... I was the lead designer/architect/what ever they call it these days).
As the guy said in the second article... there has to be a happy medium in software development. Between the extremes of rigidity and complete hackiness anarchy. But trying to turn the process into somethign that can be completely automated and down by robot clown monkeys just aint gonna happen. There aint no silver bullet. Of as my Mom always said... producing anything worthwhile is hard work. This doesnt just apply to software development.
I think one of the other problems is people not realising this fact(still... after 40 years now!). Good software requires thought, intelligence, dillegence, creativity(not is the art sense), patience, determination, passion, attention to detail, communication(this is probably the most important one these days) and lots of hard work. No silver bullet. Software design is managing complexity cause software is complex. Businesses hate to hear this because businesses(non software ones usually) like to be able to put things into neat little boxes and timeframes. Its makes the accountants happy dont you know ! (Oh... and any software developers out there... never ! ever ! work for accountants... I have and it was the most frustrating experience of my career).
And so what ? Say it forks to someone pwoerful(lets take a potential IBM fork for example). And the fork is, of course, still GPL. That fork then goes on to become the greatest OS in the history of mankind(until GNU/Hurd is finished of course ;) ). Who loses in that senario. Its just simple competition in an open market.
If you're on a budget you'll get a bus to Canberra from Sydney.
Not necessiarily even if youre on a budget. Ive said in a previous flight that I do the LHR -> CAN trip quite a bit. Once you get to SYD you have 4 choices. Another flight, the bus, the train or hire a car(Id only hire a car if you really need like... well... a car). Never take the train. It takes longer than a bus and drops you in a backwater bit of Canberra... which youll need to spend 20 buck on a taxi to get to Civic(the middle bit of Canberra... near the ANU). Flights are good... dont take long... but then youre gonna need a taxi costing about 25 bucks.
I tend to take the bus. For a few resons. Firstly a bus leaves right from SYD international airport(as the nice people at the help desk). Secondly it takes about 2.5 -> 3 hrs. Thirdly most flights get in at an ungodly hour... by the time youve clear customs its prolly 6AM local time. If you jump on a bus you can have a nice nap(the bus is usually empty at this hour and the traffic on the highway light) and arrive in downtown Civic at a much more reasonable hour.
You are correct. You can also do the London - >LAX/SFO -> SYD -> CAN route... but I wouldnt recommend it. Im a Canberraian that lives in London and I have, err hum, a great deal of experience with this trip. It isnt a terribly pleasent one BTW.... 30 hours is a good ballpark.
Oh and looking at the recommendation for the Canberra backpackers... I would give that two thumbs up... at least two years ago... friends of mine have stayted there... its own by a fairly swank Hotel across the road... they even pipe the movie channels from the swank hotels in house cctv to the backpackers... TV in all rooms as well.. dorms and doubles/singles.
And if any space geeks wanna go and pay respect to the ruins of the tracking station that really txed the images and sound of Neil Armstrong taking his first steps on the moon then(despite what the move The Dish says... it wasnt Parkes) go to Honeysuckle Creek
Alas there is much left
My memory is jogged even further... they were apparently circa the American Civil War era. And they got three hundred dollars for em. And of course the reason he didnt mind parting with them too much was because they figured that, as they were in the past, they would be purchased at some point in the furture and given to Kirk again by McCoy. AFAIK it was never resolved as to weather or not this plan worked out. Tho I do seem to have a vague memory of Kirk wearing specs in a later movie. It might have been VI... or maybe even generations when he was in the dopey special effect heaven land. God I need to get out more.
And at that time it was just a code name - not a product name. Marketing has virtual no power over R&D code names - nor would they care about code names.
:) And thats actually an acronym for somneone... tho a very forced one :) Id seriously doubt if it would retain this name if it saw the light of the marketing dept.
Correct. Im someone who works in R&D one of the projects I work on is called Madcows
OK... Im gonna show my self up as a Trek geek here. The spec Kirk had in IV and sold to get some cash were a gift from Dr McCoy... they were given to him in ST II because Kirk apparently had an allergy to the drug used to treat short sightedness((The drug had a name that started with an R... it was discussed in the scene in II when McCoy brings Kirk some brandy for his brithday)
The annoying ads are the ads you dont want to see. If Im actually interested in a product and there is an ad for it on a web site then Im fien with that(assuming its not an in your face pop up or dopey flash thingy). The true furture in advertising has to be in using technology to target potential customers a lot more effectively. The only push back from this is priovacy concerns.
*blush*
:)
You are of course correct. I can only blame that on my lack of coffee
Only as long as there is no Ice Nine.
Which reminds me RIP Dr. Hunter S. Thompson. And yes I know Vonnegut wrote ice nine... just reminded me. Sad day today.
As another UK resisdent I must express my surprise and, yes, shock that the local council was actually good for something :)
Hmm... has anyone ever heard of a grammar-based filter that requires you to formulate full english sentences in order to get your mail across ?
Jeez I hope not... nun of me emails wood evar get thru if such a sistem was implemented.
I thought java had the little black and white blob guy with the red nose or whatever.
So did kuro5hin I understand :P
No. There is a different kind of currency in volved. In fact several kind of currencies are given to successful open source developer. Things like kudo from your peers, a sense of accomplishment, satisfaction at having created something that other use(for money profit or not). It could also lead to a secure, interesting and profitable job... I mean to you think Tridge or Linus ever gonna be hard pressed to get their next gig....
All humans are generally motivated to do something to gain something... its just doesnt always mean that that is money
What is defined as a robot? Webster defines it as 1 a : a machine that looks like a human being and performs various complex acts (as walking or talking) of a human being; also : a similar but fictional machine whose lack of capacity for human emotions is often emphasized b : an efficient insensitive person who functions automatically 2 : a device that automatically performs complicated often repetitive tasks 3 : a mechanism guided by automatic controls
Were as the marketing depatrment of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation defines it as
Your Plastic Pal Whos Fun To Be With !!!
you're dead inside. "OK, so 10000 people died. Big fucking deal." unbelievable.
Seconded. There are people who dont know if loved ones are alive or dead right now. My heart goes out to you guys... thankfully all the people I know in that region are OK... Take care all you SE asian slashdotters.
Wow. I just had a business idea. I agree that driving/bussing those short journies is a good idea. The main problem I have with coaches(not so muc hwith trains) is that its a pain to get any work done(try using a laptop in that cramped seat). Why not start up a business coach services. With internet connection etc... Id use it.
Whats six by nine?
Maybe rail is safer
Not if you live in the UK.
Homer: Got any of that beer that has candy floating in it? You know, Skittlebrau?
Apu: Such a beer does not exist, sir. I think you must have dreamed it.
Homer: Oh. Well, then just give me a six-pack and a couple of bags of Skittles.