I know KDE *can* be fast - it's not like OS X 10.0, which was slow on everything. BUT...the specs necessary to make KDE run well are far too high. Try running it on 128MB RAM? Ha, it'll fill that up and then some. 256MB is enough to run KDE and maybe two other programs. It launches a dozen/more processes by itself!:O
Considering Linux is supposed to run well on older machines, I figure KDE could be slightly more than a dog on 128MB. (Yes, I know...run XFce/Fluxbox/etc. I run XFce even on 512MB, so rest assured, I know.)
Perhaps 4.0 is a better target for this...but how about making the thing faster and/or less of a memory hog? Starting with the 3 series (especially 3.1), KDE is even slower than Windows XP!
I miss the old days, where KDE 1.1 ran fast on a P133.:(
There's still a chance for 3.4...no new features. I'm sure they could crunch the code at least a little bit!
1. Why doesn't he have someone else help package it for him?
2. Can the Gnome Foundation help him out somehow, perhaps by improving the build system?
3. How come I never hear about this stuff from any other distro?
I'm a Slack user myself...I've always used XFce, but find myself launching Gnome apps quite often, and I like the desktop itself starting with 2.8. The next time I wanna upgrade, it may not be to Slackware anymore.:(
Why does GNOME always seem to be in a state of trying to define itself - to always be in the concept stage? Perpetually in ALPHA state.
I have to agree, it seemed like this for a while. Hence, I stuck with KDE/XFce for a long time. But after using 2.8 in Ubuntu, I think that period is over. I currently use XFce 4.0 in Slackware, but the next time I get the upgrade bug, I'll probably put on Ubuntu with Gnome whatever version. Unless they change it all around again.;)
Mod this up. Starting with Gnome 2.8 I like it a lot. But I'm an XFce user at heart, and because of it I don't tolerate bloat very well. I'd love to see Gnome use a bit less memory...I mean, I've seen panel applets use 10MB. WTF?
As for KDE, I doubt God himself could do anything to help reduce bloat from that thing.:p
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It's your card. AnandTech did a benchmark in Linux of FX5700 Ultra vs. X800 Pro. The ATI drivers are so bad that the X800 lost to the far inferior 5700 in every test.
If you pause the video at 2:29, you see a pie chart that indicates that their app base "exploded" to 147 apps in 1991. Not even Steve could make that sound good:(
Certainly faster. Even fast Linux environments (XFce, Fluxbox, etc.) aren't as fast. And, I think only XFce can compete feature-wise, in terms of the fast systems.
I'm using wireless with the linux-wlan-ng driver. For months I couldn't get it to work, but that turned out to be because the driver didn't have an "ident" line or something for my card (Linksys WUSB11v3).
Once that got added, I was able to just add the alias to/etc/modules.conf, and hotplug would turn the card on. The card came with a script to set my WiFi settings, then I made a small script to set up ifconfig.
Despite the repuation of the 'ng drivers for being unstable, I think they're working better than the Windows ones. (fewer dropouts)
Desktop search was supposed to be part of WinFS, which MS announced about a year ago. You can't call apple the innovator here, just the fastest-to-market.
Spotlight has been in developement a few years. Well before the MS announcement. In fact, fragments of it were in OS 9.
You are, however, correct about Dashboard and the speech thing.
Firefox is more like IE. Mozilla is more like Netscape.
Yes, I'm a Suite user. And no, I don't find it to be "slow and bloated" the way people make it out to be. Yes, the download is 3x the size - but there's a lot more there. And, I have no rendering lags, nor does my brother on his P3/500. Especially since 1.6...lots faster.
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Heh, yeah, I noticed that. :D
Considering Linux is supposed to run well on older machines, I figure KDE could be slightly more than a dog on 128MB. (Yes, I know...run XFce/Fluxbox/etc. I run XFce even on 512MB, so rest assured, I know.)
I miss the old days, where KDE 1.1 ran fast on a P133. :(
There's still a chance for 3.4...no new features. I'm sure they could crunch the code at least a little bit!
Apple recommends you have FW HDs unplugged during and after reinstall. It's right on the page...
Don't forget KDE bloatware.
1. Why doesn't he have someone else help package it for him?
2. Can the Gnome Foundation help him out somehow, perhaps by improving the build system?
3. How come I never hear about this stuff from any other distro?
I'm a Slack user myself...I've always used XFce, but find myself launching Gnome apps quite often, and I like the desktop itself starting with 2.8. The next time I wanna upgrade, it may not be to Slackware anymore. :(
Why does GNOME always seem to be in a state of trying to define itself - to always be in the concept stage? Perpetually in ALPHA state. ;)
I have to agree, it seemed like this for a while. Hence, I stuck with KDE/XFce for a long time. But after using 2.8 in Ubuntu, I think that period is over. I currently use XFce 4.0 in Slackware, but the next time I get the upgrade bug, I'll probably put on Ubuntu with Gnome whatever version. Unless they change it all around again.
As for KDE, I doubt God himself could do anything to help reduce bloat from that thing. :p
It's your card. AnandTech did a benchmark in Linux of FX5700 Ultra vs. X800 Pro. The ATI drivers are so bad that the X800 lost to the far inferior 5700 in every test.
Apple doesn't update their hardware very often. That's why.
If you pause the video at 2:29, you see a pie chart that indicates that their app base "exploded" to 147 apps in 1991. Not even Steve could make that sound good :(
He likes Debian, and Ubuntu = Debian + easier for inexperienced users. Probably the simplest explanation...
I've seen the 20" iMac G5. The thing is so fucking huge that using it feels awkward. Just add that hard drive to the 17".
I, for one, welcome our new animal hybrid overlords. :)
New Ubuntu version soon...except in Nebraska! ;)
Scrollbar coloring is not part of the W3C standards. Hence, Mozilla won't support it.
Have we no knowledge of the history of Slashdot?
Certainly faster. Even fast Linux environments (XFce, Fluxbox, etc.) aren't as fast. And, I think only XFce can compete feature-wise, in terms of the fast systems.
I'm using wireless with the linux-wlan-ng driver. For months I couldn't get it to work, but that turned out to be because the driver didn't have an "ident" line or something for my card (Linksys WUSB11v3). /etc/modules.conf, and hotplug would turn the card on. The card came with a script to set my WiFi settings, then I made a small script to set up ifconfig.
Once that got added, I was able to just add the alias to
Despite the repuation of the 'ng drivers for being unstable, I think they're working better than the Windows ones. (fewer dropouts)
Spotlight has been in developement a few years. Well before the MS announcement. In fact, fragments of it were in OS 9.
You are, however, correct about Dashboard and the speech thing.
I doubt it's going in anytime soon.
PS: I, a Slackware user, have never had any trouble with PAM not being there. I don't even know what the thing does. :D
I swear by my 9850GB+. I'm forced to use a TI-83+ for school, and I hate it. The Casio is far easier to use.
It's great to work with...simple as hell. But, I wonder...what if a lib needs to be replaced (updated), will all the bundles get the new version?
My former chemistry teacher runs 10.3 on 128MB. When I asked him about the machine, he didn't mention it being slow.
Firefox is more like IE. Mozilla is more like Netscape.
Yes, I'm a Suite user. And no, I don't find it to be "slow and bloated" the way people make it out to be. Yes, the download is 3x the size - but there's a lot more there. And, I have no rendering lags, nor does my brother on his P3/500. Especially since 1.6...lots faster.