Considering SCO now admits that IBM owns the copyright to the code, this simply becomes a contract case.
Not even considering. The only case is one of contract law, The flying FUD to the contrary.
For SCO's claims to even hold water, SCO would have to have IP or copyright claims to IBM's products, such as AIX, OS/2, etc.
Again, it's contract, not IP. Any possible, future, IP claims if they were to win would be what SCO's extortion letters are related to.
In an earlier press release, they said something to the effect of, "We own every OS and Application concept".
The crux of their case seems to be that their contract with IBM is breached by IBM's release of works (concepts even) derived from that within the original UNIX code---
Wait for it.....
In Source Form.
Since it's only the source form which is in breach, SCO is able to increase the perceived value of their mystical IP by granting Linux users a license to use it in binary form only.
They do not. Remember, just because SCO has IP rights on Unix, doesn't mean they, in turn, have rights to everything IBM has done to add value to Unix.
They are claiming exactly this. Since the original source was involved in the contract between IBM and Doritos, or whoever the heck owned the source between AT&T and SCO, that the release of any IP in any way derivable from that source, as source is a violation of that contract.
This case basically means that being a software company that actually produces products is very risky in the current environment.
Certainly there is an element of truth to this given the current patent situation. Your statement holds true even if there were no patent system at all. This was a software company that actually produced products. Their products were then blatantly ripped off by a convicted criminal monopoly. A criminal organization who has based their business on doing exactly this for their entire history.
The one way this could turn out ok is if they win, they collect a huge settlement from MS for their prior transgressions, and then get an injunction and refuse to license the technology to MS forcing them out of the market until they completely rewrite 85% of their product line.
At this point, someone will probably notice that the patent system is completely screwed and do something about it.
SCO signed a contract saying that they will pay 250.000 Euro if they continue such claims and took their German web site off-line.
So let me see if I have this straight. If someone with web server penetration skills were to put the removed content back up in place of their "We're offline" message and then spam lots of Germans from an @sco.de address telling them to go there they'd get billed a quarter million per person?
As a parent of small children, I plan on addressing this by equipping them with cell phones with GPS receivers and requiring that they answer that phone any time it rings,
I have no children, but I would suggest that you modify this a bit, at least.
If you put the fear of Suidae into them that they always have to answer then they'll pick up when their drunk ass {boy|girl}friend calls back after they [you going, "Yes!"] told them never to call again. Unless you work in some really secretive industry or some such you'll probably always call from home, work, or your cell. If you have to call from a friend's place with a blocked number, then you can probably unblock it. So "require" that they answer all of *your* calls.
The rest of your post is definitely interesting. The boundary between privacy and safety must be chaotic (think Mandelbrot) when it's you and your kids versus society as a whole.
If we have a government in whose interest it is to let our buildings get bombed, we're already in trouble.
Whether or not that was an issue in the September 11 attacks, the simple fact is that the attacks were the best possible thing that could have happened to the Bush administration. So we do have such a government and yes, we are already in trouble.
That game was awesome. The parachute and sniper mode were way useful, head shots counted, and your dog would fly in on a bombing run for you. Now granted it was never networkable, but it was still a great game;-)
Heck it is worth $15 not to have to crawl under my car and get dirty and swear with an oil wrench. But to each his/her own, I guess... I get it changed too, 'cause it's a bitch to get rid of the old oil. I still check it once in a while though to make sure everything's working fine.
Would someone please do these for someone stupid and/or lazy like me? I love RPMs for installation... and for MacOS9? I haven't even thought about how to install GNU tools and a compiler for that thing yet... where do I begin?
Great post, but you clearly underestimate your own intelligence:
Oh, it's possible that down the road someone much cleverer than I will come up with something. In fact, that's the normal way in which major technological advances have occurred.
I'm sure there were lots of advances made by people less clever than you. Try not to be too hard on yourself in the future;-)
Thats the first time I've heard homosexuality referred to as a vice.
I'm just wondering about the back story behind someone using "I've won more then I've lost" as a justification for it.
(Not that it needs any justification. I'm a good American, so All men are created equal actually means something to me unlike the freedom hating religious nutjobs trying to ban people's rights because of something that has no affect on them.)
This is getting as bad as people who hated Dan Quayle because he couldn't spell potato (potatoe!)
Nobody hated Dan Quayle because he couldn't spell potato. They hate him because he's a delusional idiot and a psycho religious nutcase. The issue with the potato incident wasn't that he didn't know how to spell the word. The issue was that a little kid knew how to spell it and Dipshit Dan told him he was wrong. You know the saying, "It's better to remain silent and be thought an idiot that to open your mouth and remove all doubt". Well nobody could have any doubt now that Dan Quayle is an idiot.
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The glass house has four bedrooms and two are unoccupied. Is the glass house half-full or half-empty?
But I ordered a cheeseburger.
see www.mklinux.org.
;-)
My first distro.
I switched to LinucPPC when they had floppy support first
Considering SCO now admits that IBM owns the copyright to the code, this simply becomes a contract case.
Not even considering.
The only case is one of contract law, The flying FUD to the contrary.
For SCO's claims to even hold water, SCO would have to have IP or copyright claims to IBM's products, such as AIX, OS/2, etc.
Again, it's contract, not IP.
Any possible, future, IP claims if they were to win would be what SCO's extortion letters are related to.
In an earlier press release, they said something to the effect of, "We own every OS and Application concept".
The crux of their case seems to be that their contract with IBM is breached by IBM's release of works (concepts even) derived from that within the original UNIX code---
Wait for it.....
In Source Form.
Since it's only the source form which is in breach, SCO is able to increase the perceived value of their mystical IP by granting Linux users a license to use it in binary form only.
They do not. Remember, just because SCO has IP rights on Unix, doesn't mean they, in turn, have rights to everything IBM has done to add value to Unix.
They are claiming exactly this.
Since the original source was involved in the contract between IBM and Doritos, or whoever the heck owned the source between AT&T and SCO, that the release of any IP in any way derivable from that source, as source is a violation of that contract.
(looks out of windows to check for low-flying pork)
Actually, if that were true you might want to look a little higher.
I suspect those little piggies will be going into orbit.
This case basically means that being a software company that actually produces products is very risky in the current environment.
Certainly there is an element of truth to this given the current patent situation. Your statement holds true even if there were no patent system at all.
This was a software company that actually produced products. Their products were then blatantly ripped off by a convicted criminal monopoly. A criminal organization who has based their business on doing exactly this for their entire history.
The one way this could turn out ok is if they win, they collect a huge settlement from MS for their prior transgressions, and then get an injunction and refuse to license the technology to MS forcing them out of the market until they completely rewrite 85% of their product line.
At this point, someone will probably notice that the patent system is completely screwed and do something about it.
Any other outcome will be a travesty of justice.
SCO signed a contract saying that they will pay 250.000 Euro if they continue such claims and took their German web site off-line.
So let me see if I have this straight.
If someone with web server penetration skills were to put the removed content back up in place of their "We're offline" message and then spam lots of Germans from an @sco.de address telling them to go there they'd get billed a quarter million per person?
anybody up to the challenge?
But what I want is a large poster to put on my wall that shows this years 2003 IBM legal team, in all their blue-suited glory.
That might actually sell pretty well.
As a parent of small children, I plan on addressing this by equipping them with cell phones with GPS receivers and requiring that they answer that phone any time it rings,
I have no children, but I would suggest that you modify this a bit, at least.
If you put the fear of Suidae into them that they always have to answer then they'll pick up when their drunk ass {boy|girl}friend calls back after they [you going, "Yes!"] told them never to call again.
Unless you work in some really secretive industry or some such you'll probably always call from home, work, or your cell. If you have to call from a friend's place with a blocked number, then you can probably unblock it.
So "require" that they answer all of *your* calls.
The rest of your post is definitely interesting.
The boundary between privacy and safety must be
chaotic (think Mandelbrot) when it's you and your kids versus society as a whole.
So if a nosy neighbor of mine can find out how often I buy condoms that's a good thing? Just because I can find out how much beer he buys in a week?
Well, if you're just buying condoms and he's just buying beer, then I'd say, "Advantage Kaa".
Too bad you don't live here, as nobody from California calls it "Cali". It's like people calling San Francisco "Frisco". Tourists...
I'm guessing either you're new to Cali, or you've only lived in the north.
Everyone except people from Frisco call it Frisco. And Cali is what most people I know in SoCal call it.
[have to post from another account somehow i'm unable to post with mine but i'm the guy you replied to]
;-)
If you're going to do that, the least you can do is throw in a porn joke as well
If we have a government in whose interest it is to let our buildings get bombed, we're already in trouble.
Whether or not that was an issue in the September 11 attacks, the simple fact is that the attacks were the best possible thing that could have happened to the Bush administration.
So we do have such a government and yes, we are already in trouble.
since I'm not personally a big fan of mdk
;-)
How could you not be a fan of MDK?!?
That game was awesome. The parachute and sniper mode were way useful, head shots counted, and your dog would fly in on a bombing run for you.
Now granted it was never networkable, but it was still a great game
Heck it is worth $15 not to have to crawl under my car and get dirty and swear with an oil wrench. But to each his/her own, I guess...
I get it changed too, 'cause it's a bitch to get rid of the old oil. I still check it once in a while though to make sure everything's working fine.
Would someone please do these for someone stupid and/or lazy like me? I love RPMs for installation... and for MacOS9? I haven't even thought about how to install GNU tools and a compiler for that thing yet... where do I begin?
;-)
OK, it was stupid and it was lazy
Click on the link for MacOSX.
In fact, I've had my current car for two years now, and as far as I know, the hood IS welded shut.
Wow, there's this thing called "oil" that you're supposed to check more often than once every two years.
Have fun with the new engine.
Comments like that make me glad to be a BSD user.
--
You are what you eat.
You eat BSD Users?
Are you that guy with the pitchfork?
Great post, but you clearly underestimate your own intelligence:
;-)
Oh, it's possible that down the road someone much cleverer than I will come up with something. In fact, that's the normal way in which major technological advances have occurred.
I'm sure there were lots of advances made by people less clever than you.
Try not to be too hard on yourself in the future
i'm not sure that tachyons are real. some of the string-theories predict that there is no such particle.
I don't think more than 5 or 10 people ever actually thought they might exist.
The densest matter ever observed has to be G.W. Bush's brain :-)
This is purely hypothetical, of course.
It hasn't ever actually been observed.
Seems to me that a government web site is non-commercial.
Where in the hell did you get a ridiculous idea like that?!?
t's not like it's Hatch's responsibility to personally police his web site.
His website. His responsibility.
It is that simple.
Thats the first time I've heard homosexuality referred to as a vice.
I'm just wondering about the back story behind someone using "I've won more then I've lost" as a justification for it.
(Not that it needs any justification. I'm a good American, so All men are created equal actually means something to me unlike the freedom hating religious nutjobs trying to ban people's rights because of something that has no affect on them.)
"e-bay" is a verb, now?
:)
I just can't keep up with you kids and your "kewl" lingo. I was just finally getting used to "sick" being a good thing.
Pretty much any noun can be verbed in English. This allows for more fluid constructions and generally improves the language.
Hope this helps.
This is getting as bad as people who hated Dan Quayle because he couldn't spell potato (potatoe!)
Nobody hated Dan Quayle because he couldn't spell potato. They hate him because he's a delusional idiot and a psycho religious nutcase. The issue with the potato incident wasn't that he didn't know how to spell the word. The issue was that a little kid knew how to spell it and Dipshit Dan told him he was wrong. You know the saying, "It's better to remain silent and be thought an idiot that to open your mouth and remove all doubt". Well nobody could have any doubt now that Dan Quayle is an idiot.