You don't buy stock and short it. When you short a stock, you borrow it from somebody else, sell it, buy it back at the lower price and return it to the original owner (with interest). Borrow, sell, buy, return. That's what is involved in a short
No-no-no that's not the way you spell it! I spells 'correct' and why the capitol C ?
The quick 'IFrame in Layer move' test I did when I wrote this response was not carried out on RC2 but in fact RC1. Which, to be constructive and positive about it,only goes to show that RC1 is almost as good as RC2, can't wait to see 0.98:)
And the reason it had to think a lot when moving the layer was actually a javascript recursion error - my fault, not Mozillas. Now *I* have to think:!
>Please, do everyone a favour and spread the word the right way, and not like a zealot.
I am not 'spreading the word' in here - nor am I on any crusade against Opera, it just irritates me right now, and if I can't share my thoughts on working with the browser in here - where can I? The tone of my letter implies that I am talking to other developers, not a broadspectered public.
>If only "webdevelopers" could start following the specs rather than write proprietary code, this world would be a lot easier for everyone.
I totally agree, I hate it when somebody shows me something cool they can do with IE, when they could have made it work in more browsers if they had done it the right way. But then again that requires standard specs all the way 'round which IE is becoming (much) better at. Opera is way behind on the DOM.
>If only they could free themselves for writing for one particular browser first, and then >try to make it work in other browsers later.
That I do not do, NEVER EVER NEVER - I constantly check everthing in Opera, Mozilla, Netscape 4.x and IE - In my current project I've skipped NS 4.7x though....
>You see, if you write a page for Mozilla, you will notice all the differences in other >browsers. If you had written a page for Opera first, you would have noticed all the problems >in Mozilla and IE. It is a flawed argument, and only backfires.
Again I agree totally, but I didn't introduce that argument - you did...
> "The" resize bug? A single, simple bug is not enough.
Not enough for what? - It is certainly enough to drive me up the walls sometimes, and it is certainly also something that can increase development time considerably, depending of course on the bug.
> I am sure you could have a look in Bugzilla yourself for plenty of bugs in Mozilla.
Mozilla is at 1.0 RC2, Opera is at 6.01(windows) - That was a flawed argument, and it backfired.
>Perhaps you should explain to people what "the resize bug" is as well.
I am talking about the way Netscape 4.7x looses attributes for absolutely positioned elements - In Opera they become invisible upon resize, and you have to move them to where they are (!), but then it screws up their z-index. You can work your way around this, but it takes time (can you hear the Boss screaming 'OPERA !?!, What the fsck is Opera? write for IE that is enough').
>>And the way it notoriously hangs when fetching simple GIFs (Windows) >I've never had this problem. Perhaps this is a case of PEBKAC?
You are lucky, a non-techie but curious collegue of mine once gave up on Opera because of that, and I experience it every day.
By the way what is PEBKAC? Perhaps you should explain to people what "PEBKAC" is as well?
>> And if you zoom in it has trouble rendering when switching windows > Not at all. It works beautifully.
What OS are you on ? I use windows for desktop purposes ( you see, I have to write for IE ) and it sure enough (has and) has had that bug ever since I registered it back in the 4.x days
>> And it's unstylable input elements > Which is basically useless anyway, and a breach of operating system guidelines. It is a nice fancy extra, but not really something which makes or breaks a browser.
Useless ? The input elements or the ability to style them ? Sure it breaks OS system guidelines for design - have a look at win98 and tell me that its a bad thing. As long as widgets looks and behaves like widgets, I think you should be able to remove and ugly border or give it a nice background color
>Hey, neither Mozilla nor Opera can style scrollbars. That means they are crap? (Yes, I know it is not valid CSS.)
Nope - but it would be nice if they could though.... Nice to hear that you know something.
>> And it can't move a layered iframe > And let's have a look in Bugzilla again.
With RC2 it actually moves it, but it has to think for along time before it returns:) But if your point is that it is okay that Opera can't do it because Mozilla can't either then I must disagree. Are you by any chance from Norway?
> Since you need a beefy system to run Mozilla anyway,
Mozilla has become less resource hungry, but it is no way near as sleek as Opera. Which is why I use Opera when I browse documentation.
>In 1024x768 and above one doesn't even notice it.
That is a matter of opinion, and yours so clearly differ from mine in so many respects.
>> And won't let you write innerHTML >Which is a proprietary MSIE-thing.
Oh what a biggot you are - Let me rephrase it - It won't let you change the content of certain elements in an already loaded page - Which both Mozilla and IE does, and both can do it by way of standars (and by way of innerHTML). This would be a lesser pain if you could style the widgets, but you cant (an example of how usefull styling widgets could be).
>Mozilla has its share of problems >too. Do you want me to start digging it up?
Please do, and submit it to bugzilla - if it's new I'm sure they are interested. For the record - I focus on the good things in Mozilla (and in Opera as well for that matter), and if I can't talk about specific implementation problems in a developer forum, would you please tell me where to go then (and be polite about it too:)?
however I suspect that it is in reality an evil ploy to bestow NS 4.7x upon poor webdevelopers again
- Remember the resize bug? Well you don't have to miss it - Opera is there...
- And the way it notoriously hangs when fetching simple GIFs (Windows)
- And if you zoom in it has trouble rendering when switching windows
- And it's unstylable input elements
- And it can't move a layered iframe
- And the banner-top that steels way more screenspace than it actually occupies? The advertising thing is OK - but certainly not the way it is implemented here!
- And won't let you write innerHTML
I am, as you may have guessed, rather tired of Opera.
Mozilla however is gem, I love the way the pages just morphs instead of blinking when you change location.
It's sheer joy to write javascript for Mozilla, and it has a great implementation of the DOM.
It does have a very nice zoom feature, it only zooms the font-sizes, but it works great.
It still performs rather slow when you move divlayers around - but it seems to be getting better slowly
Parts of USA may be as you describe them here - What about the parts where people enjoy the richest freedom of all? The freedom to eat dirt (litteraly - eat dirt!)?
When the dirt-eating population of USA gets ill - they won't have to wait for 3-4 months to get treatment, they won't get treatment at all! Or if they do, that treatment will not be very up-to-date to put it mildly.
You obviously live in a privileged part of your country - your country is a large one. Things happen in it, that you don't know about!
Slashdot Mirror
FP for the first time ?
All in a days honest work really....
Dunno if it is - after all - it IS about a Hacker
Moderknepper lyder lidt mere dognerdansk - Morknepper lyder som en paedagog der fortaeller i TV-Avisen hvad bornene siger
Just curious what's the difference between man and Man (except for the case of the first letter) ?
The select box is a native Windows widget
What he said was:
> Eventually these corporations will need to take a hint and start some black/grey hat work of their own to support their interests
Could the words 'Eventually' and 'will need to' be replaced with 'Often' and 'do' respectively ? I am afraid so...
The third is:
Alternatives to Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP
Learn about the Microsoft alternatives and how to move to them from open source products.
Probably the third most 'linked to' linux webpage on the net ?
Most people do not CHOOSE to use IE - it is simply what is available from the get go on their computers with windows pre-installed...
On win2k you can't even remove outlook express (yeah of course you can - but not by simple means).
Click the outlook express by mistake once - it won't even ask you - it will just take over as default mail app.
Frontpage wasn't Microsofts idea - they bought the company who made Frontpage in the first place...
Any truly original M$ ideas ?
And you couldn't even wipe your own lame ass - I know cause I can smell you - you smell of sheit and fear
hahaha really got you there didn't I ?
(I really love it when I get to be REALLY intelligent)
Oh fuck - dunno how to post AC - oh my god - my left pinkie is reaching for the TAB - sheezz I am going to submit thi
Hooray !! That's me !!
Eh... except I don't do crossword-puzzles
Why not a silent understanding between the majority of people there... If you have gas - go the the M$ stand and let it gently go.
Nope - as long as you didn't agree with the EULA it can't prohibit you in any way.
So you can use it
Talk about a redundant post DOH!
- make any google search in mozilla
- Bookmark the search results
- Go to Bookmarks->manage bookmarks (CTRL+B)
- Locate your google-bookmark and right-click->properties
- Give it a name
- change the URL from eg. http://www.google.com/search?q=slashdot
to http://www.google.com/search?q=%s
- enter g as the keyword
- Click OK - and you're done
Change the URLNo-no-no that's not the way you spell it! I spells 'correct' and why the capitol C ?
:)
:!
The quick 'IFrame in Layer move' test I did when I wrote this response was not carried out on RC2 but in fact RC1. Which, to be constructive and positive about it,only goes to show that RC1 is almost as good as RC2, can't wait to see 0.98
And the reason it had to think a lot when moving the layer was actually a javascript recursion error - my fault, not Mozillas. Now *I* have to think
>Please, do everyone a favour and spread the word the right way, and not like a zealot.
:) But if your point is that it is okay that Opera can't do it because Mozilla can't either then I must disagree. Are you by any chance from Norway?
:)?
I am not 'spreading the word' in here - nor am I on any crusade against Opera, it just irritates me right now, and if I can't share my thoughts on working with the browser in here - where can I? The tone of my letter implies that I am talking to other developers, not a broadspectered public.
>If only "webdevelopers" could start following the specs rather than write proprietary code, this world would be a lot easier for everyone.
I totally agree, I hate it when somebody shows me something cool they can do with IE, when they could have made it work in more browsers if they had done it the right way. But then again that requires standard specs all the way 'round which IE is becoming (much) better at. Opera is way behind on the DOM.
>If only they could free themselves for writing for one particular browser first, and then
>try to make it work in other browsers later.
That I do not do, NEVER EVER NEVER - I constantly check everthing in Opera, Mozilla, Netscape 4.x and IE - In my current project I've skipped NS 4.7x though....
>You see, if you write a page for Mozilla, you will notice all the differences in other
>browsers. If you had written a page for Opera first, you would have noticed all the problems
>in Mozilla and IE. It is a flawed argument, and only backfires.
Again I agree totally, but I didn't introduce that argument - you did...
> "The" resize bug? A single, simple bug is not enough.
Not enough for what? - It is certainly enough to drive me up the walls sometimes, and it is certainly also something that can increase development time considerably, depending of course on the bug.
> I am sure you could have a look in Bugzilla yourself for plenty of bugs in Mozilla.
Mozilla is at 1.0 RC2, Opera is at 6.01(windows) - That was a flawed argument, and it backfired.
>Perhaps you should explain to people what "the resize bug" is as well.
I am talking about the way Netscape 4.7x looses attributes for absolutely positioned elements - In Opera they become invisible upon resize, and you have to move them to where they are (!), but then it screws up their z-index. You can work your way around this, but it takes time (can you hear the Boss screaming 'OPERA !?!, What the fsck is Opera? write for IE that is enough').
>>And the way it notoriously hangs when fetching simple GIFs (Windows)
>I've never had this problem. Perhaps this is a case of PEBKAC?
You are lucky, a non-techie but curious collegue of mine once gave up on Opera because of that, and I experience it every day.
By the way what is PEBKAC? Perhaps you should explain to people what "PEBKAC" is as well?
>> And if you zoom in it has trouble rendering when switching windows
> Not at all. It works beautifully.
What OS are you on ? I use windows for desktop purposes ( you see, I have to write for IE ) and it sure enough (has and) has had that bug ever since I registered it back in the 4.x days
>> And it's unstylable input elements
> Which is basically useless anyway, and a breach of operating system guidelines. It is a nice fancy extra, but not really something which makes or breaks a browser.
Useless ? The input elements or the ability to style them ? Sure it breaks OS system guidelines for design - have a look at win98 and tell me that its a bad thing. As long as widgets looks and behaves like widgets, I think you should be able to remove and ugly border or give it a nice background color
>Hey, neither Mozilla nor Opera can style scrollbars. That means they are crap? (Yes, I know it is not valid CSS.)
Nope - but it would be nice if they could though.... Nice to hear that you know something.
>> And it can't move a layered iframe
> And let's have a look in Bugzilla again.
With RC2 it actually moves it, but it has to think for along time before it returns
> Since you need a beefy system to run Mozilla anyway,
Mozilla has become less resource hungry, but it is no way near as sleek as Opera. Which is why I use Opera when I browse documentation.
>In 1024x768 and above one doesn't even notice it.
That is a matter of opinion, and yours so clearly differ from mine in so many respects.
>> And won't let you write innerHTML
>Which is a proprietary MSIE-thing.
Oh what a biggot you are - Let me rephrase it - It won't let you change the content of certain elements in an already loaded page - Which both Mozilla and IE does, and both can do it by way of standars (and by way of innerHTML). This would be a lesser pain if you could style the widgets, but you cant (an example of how usefull styling widgets could be).
>Mozilla has its share of problems >too. Do you want me to start digging it up?
Please do, and submit it to bugzilla - if it's new I'm sure they are interested. For the record - I focus on the good things in Mozilla (and in Opera as well for that matter), and if I can't talk about specific implementation problems in a developer forum, would you please tell me where to go then (and be polite about it too
Opera is a sympatic project (or rather venture)
however I suspect that it is in reality an evil ploy to bestow NS 4.7x upon poor webdevelopers again
- Remember the resize bug? Well you don't have to miss it - Opera is there...
- And the way it notoriously hangs when fetching simple GIFs (Windows)
- And if you zoom in it has trouble rendering when switching windows
- And it's unstylable input elements
- And it can't move a layered iframe
- And the banner-top that steels way more screenspace than it actually occupies?
The advertising thing is OK - but certainly not the way it is implemented here!
- And won't let you write innerHTML
I am, as you may have guessed, rather tired of Opera.
Mozilla however is gem, I love the way the pages just morphs instead of blinking when you change location.
It's sheer joy to write javascript for Mozilla, and it has a great implementation of the DOM.
It does have a very nice zoom feature, it only zooms the font-sizes, but it works great.
It still performs rather slow when you move divlayers around - but it seems to be getting better slowly
Hmmmm... I'll stop babbling
Mozilla is cool.
Oh - they wan't you to pirate MSOffice, if homeusers pirates MSO they'll know the product thus making it more of a 'standard'
Its superficial lower whole number is belongs to us
I just want to say that I like StarOffice/OpenOffice - and the thing they're doing with zipped XML files is brilliant.
That's a good one!
:-(
How about this:
When I pull the scrollbar downwards, and keep pulling below the window - all of a sudden the scroll-bar pops back to the top??
The logic seems to be
1. He's pulling it down - he want's it to go down...
2. He's pulling it further down - he want's it to go further down...
3. He's still pulling it even further down - AHA he want's it to go up!
This goes for Windows, Mac, KDE and probably a wholelotta other interfaces.
It bugs me, and it makes me miss my Amiga
(Dunno how the Amiga did it actually - but I miss it anyway)
When the dirt-eating population of USA gets ill - they won't have to wait for 3-4 months to get treatment, they won't get treatment at all! Or if they do, that treatment will not be very up-to-date to put it mildly.
You obviously live in a privileged part of your country - your country is a large one. Things happen in it, that you don't know about!
Go see out your own backyard here.
BTW. I'm danish - I pay high taxes - I think it's worth it.
That was FUNNY thingy you said there - ROTFL :-)