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> The whole "day thing" is about the time between disclosure and patch/signature release.

Do you have any citation for your assertion?

The term derives from warez "0-day boards". These were populated by the most elite crackers who had cracked software on the 0th-day of release; that is, the software hit the shelves and was already cracked.

Try doing a web search for ``0-day'' with a date threshold prior to, say, 1995. You won't find any hits for your interpretation:

http://www.alltheweb.com/search?advanced=1&cat=web&jsact=&_stype=norm&type=all&q=%220-day%22&itag=crv&l=en&ics=utf-8&cs=iso88591&wf%5Bn%5D=3&wf%5B0%5D%5Br%5D=%2B&wf%5B0%5D%5Bq%5D=&wf%5B0%5D%5Bw%5D=&wf%5B1%5D%5Br%5D=%2B&wf%5B1%5D%5Bq%5D=&wf%5B1%5D%5Bw%5D=&wf%5B2%5D%5Br%5D=-&wf%5B2%5D%5Bq%5D=&wf%5B2%5D%5Bw%5D=&dincl=&dexcl=&geo=&doctype=&dfr%5Bu%5D=on&dfr%5Bd%5D=1&dfr%5Bm%5D=1&dfr%5By%5D=1990&dto%5Bu%5D=on&dto%5Bd%5D=16&dto%5Bm%5D=5&dto%5By%5D=1995&hits=10

Try USENET for certainty ( blocked in work ).

The technology is probably based on the web search they did a few years ago ( http://www.alltheweb.com/ ). That part of the company was bought by Yahoo, and is now the group that is responsible for the Yahoo search

What made AlltheWeb work was FAST's underlying search technology. What's surprising is that it has taken so long for someone to realise that FAST is more valuable that the AlltheWeb website was. So, if MS can ever get their search results to the quality that AlltheWeb used to provide, then this could well be a smart move. After all, doing it in-house has been pretty unsuccessful.

> To where may I ask?

http://www.alltheweb.com/

It just searches the web and gives results. No fuss.

I haven't used Google in about three years, except for
USENET search. And what an abomination that page is!

Ah yes, another one of those people who is unaware of Yahoo's Search page (if you really need a .com domain name to get to it there is always AlltheWeb) or My Yahoo. How ironic that Yahoo should suffer from, of all things, lousy marketing.

I hope this gets fixed soon. Because now when you search for talk.origins the first thing that pops up is true.origins. www.trueorigin.com which I won't link to. They are a bunch of willfully ignorant creationists. Sorry that was redundant.

Anyway, here's the proper link http://www.talkorigins.org/ if you can't find it with google. I occassionally use other search engines like AllTheWeb if I can't find what I'm looking for with google.

And there's nothing on the Talk.origins news page about the delisting.

I've heard of Community Server, as it also powers The Daily WTF.

Unfortunately, the readers of the site are generally of the opinion that "The real WTF is this forum software" because "the forum software sucks" ...

For what it's worth, it appears to be great as a blogging tool; Alex seems to like the way it works for the blogging functions, but the forum functions are what are generally found to be "quirky"...

I've heard of Community Server, as it also powers The Daily WTF.

Unfortunately, the readers of the site are generally of the opinion that "The real WTF is this forum software" because "the forum software sucks" ...

For what it's worth, it appears to be great as a blogging tool; Alex seems to like the way it works for the blogging functions, but the forum functions are what are generally found to be "quirky"...

I don't know much about the NES homebrew scene, but I do know there are a lot of them. Look around and you'll probably be able to find carts for purchase.

I used Google, AllTheWeb, Yahoo!, and MSN. All the results were for GBA flash carts to which one can write an NES emulator. The only relevant result from the first page of each search engine's results (ars, citing source) was disappointing: "While you can buy the circuit boards from this guy he's pretty adamant about not selling the finished product". If this product requires soldering, then it is a proof-of-concept, not a finished product. Which other keywords on which search engine should I use, or what other method of "look[ing] around" should I use?

You might say Microsoft's good at tedious, but you have to hand it to them: This time they're really trying something new. Where the other search engines tries to achieve quality and relevance trough variations of link cardinality, anchor text, page rank (how many and how highly valued pages links to a page), etc., Microsoft's trying neural networks and some kind of "artificial intelligence".

So far MSN Search/Windows Live Search is worst of the three big players when it comes to relevance. But they're not too bad, either, and I think there's been a lot of improvement since they launched their beta last year (the beta was incredibly bad). If this "self learning" idea works out, MSN Search very well could become the best engine of them all.

See http://www.searchenginejournal.com/?p=2273 (Search Engine Watch) and http://blogs.msdn.com/msnsearch/archive/2005/10/22 /483846.aspx (Robert Scoble's video inteview with the guys behind the search engine).

I'd also like to point out that relevance is a subjective matter, and sometimes the correct answer to a query might not come from the web index at all. Microsoft already emphasizes answers from Encarta when suitable (Google and Yahoo is doing similar things), as seen in this example: http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=what+is+chimp anzee&FORM=QBRE

I think we'll see more similar stuff from MSN Search in the future. Also, Microsoft seems to be the only one interested in experimenting with the search interface on a major service, as can bee seen on their live.com site -- see http://www.live.com/#q=what%20is%20chimpanzee&offs et=1 and the image search http://www.live.com/#q=chimpanzee&scope=images&lod =2&page=results for examples.

(Yahoo also has an interesting interface experiment going on an obscure part of an almost forgotten search engine: http://livesearch.alltheweb.com/)

My point is quite simply that what they're doing may be tedious, but this time they're also trying some fresh ideas.

Their results are getting better all the time. In a time where Google is having troubles staying up to date and MSN search is still lacking, it seems the others must be afraid. The newest public sign of results can be seen on http://www.alltheweb.com/ with the Yahoo powered Live search.

I'm not applauding them nor affiliated with them, all I'm saying is that it is clear that inside Yahoo they want to aggressively compete and are up for it. At least that is a good thing, for starters it puts the pressure on Google. Likewise in such a situation it's clear they don't want/need MS. So this has all been an irrelevant exercise, the outcome was clear before the game started, so this is probably all aimed at internal MS politics or something. Some manager just proved a point. Probably about internal re-allocation of money. So, in the end, you might have a point, as the game might be aimed at getting more budget for MSN search. But now I'm just guessing.

`We are moving to a Google that knows more about you.'

..and they bought http://alltheweb.com/ too. IMHO, this one was consistently better than Google for a long time.

http://www.alltheweb.com/

Since day one this engine has been giving results comparable to Google in quality. Google has more features, such as cache, but cache is a controversial feature. So maybe alltheweb is "gooder" (re: do no evil) for not including a cache feature.

As far as I know there are no graphics or other junk there. It's owned by Overture, which had some negative buzz about it in the past, if I remember correctly...but you never know -- times change. IBM was considered evil but now is considered good. Microsoft might yet end up being a good guy and Google might become very evil indeed.

Mind you, I find monickers such as "good" and "evil" to be of only very limited usefulness.

I'm guessing it'll be more like All The Web's music search. It returns links to pages with any type of music media (.rm, .mp3, even .mid) containing or linked to the keywords you search for.

Does a really good job, too. Last night I finally started practicing for my conducting final (which is in about 10 minutes) and ATW saved my ass by finding me several recordings of the song I needed to study.

I'm guessing it'll be more like All The Web's music search. It returns links to pages with any type of music media (.rm, .mp3, even .mid) containing or linked to the keywords you search for.

Does a really good job, too. Last night I finally started practicing for my conducting final (which is in about 10 minutes) and ATW saved my ass by finding me several recordings of the song I needed to study.

http://www.icerocket.com/media/

http://www.alltheweb.com/?cat=mp3&cs=iso88591&q=&r ys=0&itag=crv

http://searchenginewatch.com/links/article.php/215 6251

From what I can tell your slandering Baidu search capabilities and calling thems pirates when all they offer is music serch capacity. Google is not the only search engines.

I'm like http://www.alltheweb.com/ Especially their Opera integration. Actually, that's the reason I'm using it. Opera is great. :-) And that makes AllTheWeb awsome. I'm thinkin' this is what makes Google lose search results. Lots of different engines satisfying various different niche's requirements. So all of these put together, can steal quite a bit. But then again, I have no idea what research is most correct. ;-)

AltaVista is owned by Yahoo!, but the results are different. See for yourself:

AltaVista, Yahoo!, AlltheWeb (also owned by Yahoo!; the results are similar to AltaVista but not exactly the same).

IE was better than Netscape, too.

Google isn't the best any more (although this is debateable, the gap between it and other search engines has definitely shrunk). It's wise to use a combination of search engines. I tend to use AllTheWeb and MSN Search (yes, it actually gives useful results now, even if at one point it ranked my personal music collection extremely highly) in addition to Google in order to give a wider selection of results.

http://www.alltheweb.com/ works well for me. It's video scearch turns up what I'm looking for and I like it's picture scearch system better than google's

If you have a mac and want a great search tool try DevonAgent:
http://www.devon-technologies.com/products/devonag ent/overview.php

I don't think Yahoo! has ever been a dot.has.been. Yahoo! is such a large company that they are perceived as a somewhat faceless corporate behemoth (at least among techies). Google, on the other hand is perceived as a more nimble, dynamic and adaptable company. Google is, of course, much smaller than Yahoo!, but still quite a large company (1900+ employees).

For techie folks who follow the Yahoo! bloggers, that "faceless" perception of Yahoo! is changing I think. Ironically, Google is beginning to appear a bit like a faceless corporation in the way they present themselves on the Web. Anyone who reads Google's official blog can't fail to notice how phoney and vapid it sometimes seems. As if each entry that's been posted has been run through a "press-release" language filter (I wonder if every entry is vetted before being posted). The other aspect is their secrecy - this is understandable to an extent. For me, the problem lies with their purchase of Blogger - I wish they would give some hint of what they plan to do with the service. Nothing has been announced or information given on the direction of the service - meanwhile, other companies like Six Apart are forging ahead with new features and growing mindshare. Now, Yahoo! is jumping into the fray with their imminent launch of Yahoo! 360.

I really dislike the new re-design of Google groups. I'm sure they must have done some user-testing on this, but it just seems like a leap backwards in many respects from their previous design.

Finally, I'm sure that Google remains the default search for many people, but I have noticed that other search engines like Alltheweb and Yahoo! Search often give comparable results. I don't think one can say (with as much certainty as in the past) that Google always provides the best search results. As an example, compare a search for the terms Open Source Usability on Google, Yahoo! and AlltheWeb. Not much to choose between them.

I don't think Yahoo! has ever been a dot.has.been. Yahoo! is such a large company that they are perceived as a somewhat faceless corporate behemoth (at least among techies). Google, on the other hand is perceived as a more nimble, dynamic and adaptable company. Google is, of course, much smaller than Yahoo!, but still quite a large company (1900+ employees).

For techie folks who follow the Yahoo! bloggers, that "faceless" perception of Yahoo! is changing I think. Ironically, Google is beginning to appear a bit like a faceless corporation in the way they present themselves on the Web. Anyone who reads Google's official blog can't fail to notice how phoney and vapid it sometimes seems. As if each entry that's been posted has been run through a "press-release" language filter (I wonder if every entry is vetted before being posted). The other aspect is their secrecy - this is understandable to an extent. For me, the problem lies with their purchase of Blogger - I wish they would give some hint of what they plan to do with the service. Nothing has been announced or information given on the direction of the service - meanwhile, other companies like Six Apart are forging ahead with new features and growing mindshare. Now, Yahoo! is jumping into the fray with their imminent launch of Yahoo! 360.

I really dislike the new re-design of Google groups. I'm sure they must have done some user-testing on this, but it just seems like a leap backwards in many respects from their previous design.

Finally, I'm sure that Google remains the default search for many people, but I have noticed that other search engines like Alltheweb and Yahoo! Search often give comparable results. I don't think one can say (with as much certainty as in the past) that Google always provides the best search results. As an example, compare a search for the terms Open Source Usability on Google, Yahoo! and AlltheWeb. Not much to choose between them.

Is it an alternative search engine, or an alternative 'portal' site that you would like?

Don't forget that there's always MSN, although most of their services leave much to be desired.

http://alltheweb.com/ is an excellent search engine, IMO, though lacks all the extra features that we have come to expect from this sort of company.

Sometimes, using the link.all: operator on AllTheWeb.com gives you more results than the link: operator at Google.

Doing the right thing sometimes requires personal sacrifice.

I use AllTheWeb. I'm sure other good alternatives exist too.

While almost all the other .com's were .bombing, Yahoo very quietly amassed an enormous portfolio of once high-flying search engines [on pennies to the dollar, compared to their pre-crash values]:

Altavista
AllTheWeb
Inktomi
Overture
etc...

If you're running Windows, the easiest thing to run ASP in is IIS if you're on XP/2000, or its little brother PWS on Win9X/ME. (They're free for playing around with.) Note: Neither is available for XP Home.
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/archive/pwebsrv/d eploy/setuppws.mspx
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb; en-us;306898
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/evaluation/feat ures/iis.mspx
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/304197/EN-US/

If you're not, the easiest way to run your ASP is via a free hosting provider:

http://www.brinkster.com/Hosting/Educational.aspx
http://www.aspfree.com/asp/freeasphost.asp
http://www.alltheweb.com/search?q=free+asp+website +hosting

HTH.

a very professional and disciplined corporate image...BSD Babes

Two words and a name: Chinese room; John Searle.

I certainly don't see how a mere computer can understand. Perhaps some sort of greater machine, but considering Searle's arguments, a mere computer can not. Like Descartes, a computer which dreams that it is a robot: it could arrange signs in such a way to pass a Turing test all day, but it has none of Searle's intentionality, or Chomsky's appropriateness.

Firefox is already too intertwined with Google.

To remove Google as the default search engine in the search bar you have to manually delete the files, whereas adding engines is integrated.

And to remove Google as the engine that is used when you use the "Search Web for" context menu option you have change some config file that is not easy to find. I've searched through the Firefox directories(install and profiles) for occurences of "google," and there are many occurences, but I could not find something that looked like it would be it. I can not find information on how to do this from the "Mozilla KnowledgeBase," although I don't deny that it may exist. The help files are of course totally useless.

Why this assumption that no one would use anything but Google for searching? I my opinion Alltheweb is a far superior search engine.

I'm not suggesting this has anything to do with Google pushing for these features. Saying merely what I said.

Aren't dual-layer DVDs more like 8.7 GB, or is there some other limit I don't know about?

"Some other limit" is the difference between a GB and a GiB. Go search for "gibibyte".

Altavista

Alltheweb

Altavista ans Alltheweb are both owned by Overture, which again is owned by Yahoo. Hard to tell which one actually created it. (I'm guessing alltheweb...)

Alltheweb has had a video search for years.

I thought there was even a JavaScript implementation somewhere, though I can't seem to find it.

FWIW...

http://www.alltheweb.com/search?q=javascript+SHA-1
http://www.pajhome.org.uk/crypt/md5/sha1src.html

Here's what it returned as the page description:

Accoona World Women's Chess Championship Series Accoona French-American Women's Chess ... States is presented with the ... Accoona Championship Trophy by Accoona Corp. Executive Director Jonathan McCann ...

The above text doesn't appear on the Accoona page and doesn't give any hint you're about to land on a search engine page.

Looks like Google has fresher data. All The Web does a bit better job too.

The AlltheWeb Video Search searches for video content on the Web, using URLs and nearby text.

This is very different from searching through a real TV and film archive using closed captioning.

At least the parent company Overture, AlltheWeb seems to be their testing grounds, more specifically their video search.

What you mean like this?

1. No ads, no clutter, to the right search refinements and relevant links from catalogs.
   
2. 3,272,000 results. City is No 1 (as well as 2,4...), bikes are No 3 (and 6), explorer is No 5, charity is not on the first 6 pages.
   
3. 7 seconds
   
4. No result on the first attempt. No results on the second attempt.
   
5. Direct link to Timeanddate.com's page for Sydney is No 1.

1. Original interface with clustered results (frame-based), metasearch. 2 sponsored links.
   
2. Top 249 results only. City No 1 (6), bikes No 2 (3), charity 11 (there are 20 results per page), explorer No 17.
   
3. 10 seconds
   
4. No result on the first attempt. During second attempt using the "Shepherd" cluster and the 6th result I found out that Alsatians are the 3rd smartest breed (after border collies and poodles), but no exact IQ estimate.
   
5. Direct link to Timeanddate.com's page for Sydney is No 1.

1. 3 sponsored results (marked as such) on top, no clutter, search refinements.
   
2. 8,350,000 results. Bikes No 1 (and 2), city is No 3 (4,5...), charity No 9, explorer No 13.
   
3. 5 seconds
   
4. No result on the first attempt. On the second attempt it listed the relevant page at No 11 (although unlike at Google, the answer itself wasn't in the site summary).
   
5. Direct link to Timeanddate.com's page for Sydney is No 3.

1. No ads, no clutter, to the right search refinements and relevant links from catalogs.
   
2. 3,272,000 results. City is No 1 (as well as 2,4...), bikes are No 3 (and 6), explorer is No 5, charity is not on the first 6 pages.
   
3. 7 seconds
   
4. No result on the first attempt. No results on the second attempt.
   
5. Direct link to Timeanddate.com's page for Sydney is No 1.

1. Original interface with clustered results (frame-based), metasearch. 2 sponsored links.
   
2. Top 249 results only. City No 1 (6), bikes No 2 (3), charity 11 (there are 20 results per page), explorer No 17.
   
3. 10 seconds
   
4. No result on the first attempt. During second attempt using the "Shepherd" cluster and the 6th result I found out that Alsatians are the 3rd smartest breed (after border collies and poodles), but no exact IQ estimate.
   
5. Direct link to Timeanddate.com's page for Sydney is No 1.

1. 3 sponsored results (marked as such) on top, no clutter, search refinements.
   
2. 8,350,000 results. Bikes No 1 (and 2), city is No 3 (4,5...), charity No 9, explorer No 13.
   
3. 5 seconds
   
4. No result on the first attempt. On the second attempt it listed the relevant page at No 11 (although unlike at Google, the answer itself wasn't in the site summary).
   
5. Direct link to Timeanddate.com's page for Sydney is No 3.

It may not be Google, but I love its simple web|news|pictures|video|audio interface.

Actually there was a buffer overflow reported recently in apache. It just wasn't reported that much. Similarly there was a second .png and xml exploit about two weeks ago affecting many applications, including those mentioned here.

My point is that somethings are reported more widely than others. You can speculate about why.

However - If your really interested in security, then its a good idea subcribe to security mailing lists like those hosted at security focus or zone-h. Or even a Full-Disclosure list.

It doesn't seem to like Netlimiter. It won't install. Too bad. I won't uninstall Netlimiter just because Google's Search Tool doesn't like it.

If I remember correctly Altavista put out something like this in their golden years? Let's not hope Google won't go down the drain (I hate hitting "google farms", and I do that too often). Focus Google.. I'm sure Clusty and AllTheWeb would like a share of the market, and if you don't fix your primary service (your beloved search engine) - you'll probably fade away.

I totally agree on the naming issue: I was thinking "Klusty the Clown"??? And "Vivisimo" sounds more like a toy company to me.

The interface isn't gonna sell it either. It reminds me more of http://alltheweb.com/ (at least the front page) though - but uglier.

The Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) calls the Moon flight project Chandrayan Pratham, which has been translated as First Journey to the Moon or Moonshot One.

http://www.alltheweb.com -- like Google but they censor absolutly nothing, near as I can tell.

Those wishing to take a stand this this a viable alternative to Google.

All The Web

Remeber alternatives are what encourages competition and that can only be a good thing.

Any other good search engines people can recommend?