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Re:Begs the question
Electronic voting is already viewed with the same or greater level of credibility as paper voting by most people. That's the problem.
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ENGLISH IS A LIVING LANGUAGENo it does not beg the question. Seriously, you'd think that seeing us yell about this every time someone uses that phrase wrong on
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Re:Inevitably..Wow. So many things to clarify. So, first of all, just to get this out of the way:
No it does not beg the question. Seriously, you'd think that seeing us yell about this every time someone uses that phrase wrong on
Anyway, Mormonism: Their origins are a bit flaky, but only because they happened in the 1800s and not 1800 BC. Just about every major, currently active religion started out with one guy who claimed some special knowledge that only he could know, and was tasked him with spreading that knowledge to the world. See: Moses, Jesus, Mohammad, Gautama Buddha. The fact that people thousands of years ago didn't blink an eye when people made claims like this doesn't make the claim any more or less crazy. And like most other mainstream religions, as time went on Mormonism has tended to shed the most bizarre or "out-there" claims and stick with the basics of preaching their ideas of morality. Granted, Mormon morality is a good bit more strict than most other religions, putting it closer to the "crazy" end of the mainstream spectrum, but their current teachings aren't much different from Catholics, and their rules and restrictions aren't any more or less odd than, save, Jehovah's Witnesses or Seventh Day Adventists.
And, to specifically illustrate the point: And perhaps you've heard on the news about the Mormon polygamist compound in Texas that was recently raided? Awesome job changing the subject completely there, since we were talking about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, LDS, right up until that sentence. The LDS Church stopped allowing polygamy among its members years ago. Part of this was simple political expedience - they were starting to piss off the non-Mormons in Utah - but part of it was the very process I just described, shedding their more bizarre beliefs and focusing on a more core sense of morality. The group running the compound in Texas is the "Fundamentalist LDS" cult, a bunch of people who were kicked out of the Mormon church precisely because they wouldn't stop doing the crap they've been caught doing. The LDS church is pretty vocal in objecting to even calling that religion Mormon, though they still, in theory, follow the Book of Mormon, so they still refer to themselves as Mormons. This was a big bone of contention with the Mormon church and the cable TV show "Big Love", which was forced to start each show with a disclaimer explicitly stating that the family depicted on the show were not Mormon, they were FLDS. Painting all of Mormonism as somehow wrong because of one fringe group is like claiming all of Christianity is tainted because of those psycho pricks in the Westboro Baptist Church. -
Re:I'm Suprised
It certainly does not "Beg the question" http://begthequestion.info/
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Re:Begs the question
No, it doesn't.
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Re:But...but...But...but...the sumbitter managed to insert a spurious Star Trek reference!!! Surely that is newsworthy!
And an incorrect usage of "begs the question".
(I assume "sumbitter" is deliberate -- seems to be somehow more descriptive of many articles.)
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Re:No beggingIt begs the question...
No, it doesn't. There. Got that out of the way.
Yes it does. What's more, since it's a fair bet that everyone reading that knew exactly what was meant, and that many did not know the Aristotelian or modern meaning related to the construction of logical arguments, it's safe to say that the language has simply changed.
Welcome to the 21st century. You can pick up your curmudgeon name-tag on the 3rd table to the left. -
No beggingIt begs the question of if we need to consider a Prime Directive before exploring or sending signals too far into the depths of space.
No, it doesn't. There. Got that out of the way.
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raises the question?
NOT begging the question: http://begthequestion.info/ *twitch*
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Begs the question
However it isn't strictly necessary for one question to beg the other.
This may be the first time someone on
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Re:TagThis begs the question, How many people do you know? Actually it doesn't beg the question; begging the question is a logical fallacy. http://begthequestion.info/
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Re:Silver-lining Laundry
This does also beg the question of how the russians, who would frequently stay on Mir for months on end managed to do things.
No, it really doesn't. -
Re:Easy to test, harder to get them to care
No, it doesn't beg the question. Get it right.
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Begs the question
Sigh... FYI: http://begthequestion.info/
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Re:Okay, I don't believe in imaginary submitters
Sigh... see http://begthequestion.info/ . I know there's a current trend towards incorrect usage, but it still makes the writer look unschooled in logic. Just letting you know.
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Re:Would you need a screw shaped cork for wine?
'"Begging the question" is a form of logical fallacy in which an argument is assumed to be true without evidence other than the argument itself. When one begs the question, the initial assumption of a statement is treated as already proven without any logic to show why the statement is true in the first place.
A simple example would be "I think he is unattractive because he is ugly." The adjective "ugly" does not explain why the subject is "unattractive" -- they virtually amount to the same subjective meaning, and the proof is merely a restatement of the premise. The sentence has begged the question.
To beg the question does not mean "to raise the question." (e.g. "It begs the question, why is he so dumb?") This is a common error of usage made by those who mistake the word "question" in the phrase to refer to a literal question. Sadly, the error has grown more and more ubiquitous with time, such that even journalists, advertisers, and major mass media entities have fallen prey to "BTQ Abuse."
While descriptivists and other such laissez-faire linguists are content to allow the misconception to fall into the vernacular, it cannot be denied that logic and philosophy stand to lose an important conceptual label should the meaning of BTQ become diluted to the point that we must constantly distinguish between the traditional usage and the erroneous "modern" usage. This is why we fight.'
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begs the question
Ob. off-topic, for future reference: http://begthequestion.info/ Its misuse, although increasingly common, still makes one sound benighted. You decide.
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Re:How was he caught?
This begs the question:
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Begs the question
Sigh. I know it's a losing battle (go ahead, waste your off-topic mod
point) but see http://begthequestion.info/ . Some pretentious
ignoramuses who were unschooled in logic - it was first some
journalists, I think, who relatively recently popularized the misuse -
picked up this phrase somewhere without knowing what it means, thinking
it made them sound "intellectual". To repeat their error makes you
sound, well, benighted in the eyes of many. -
I don't think it means what you think it means
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Begs the question
It does not "beg the question." Argh!
http://begthequestion.info/ -
Goddamnit
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Re:Personal computing?
Thank you. See also http://begthequestion.info/ . The idiots of the world think the phrase makes them sound "intellectual" while having no idea what it means. Unfortunately, the idiots are winning, and eventually the incorrect usage may take over simply due to excessive incorrect usage. Still makes the incorrect user sound like an ignoramus though.
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Re:Big dealI think this begs a larger question.
Read http://begthequestion.info/, you pompous-assed ignoramus.
Quit using locutions you don't understand, but which you think make you sound educated.
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Re:WonderfulI know that most Americans don't think like you (thank God!), but you, Mr. AC, are the epitome of the boorish, ignorant, quasi-thug that the rest of the world thinks of as "the Ugly American".
That's because they, like you, shit-for-brains, are too fucking ignorant to have actually taken the time to read the book. let me save you the time, cock-face -- the epithet was bestowed on the character because he _was_ ugly, not for his behavior, which was actually quite the opposite.
Dollars to doughnuts you're the same kind of stupid son of a bitch who tosses around the phrase "begs the question" when you mean raises (or requires) the question. Have some more education fuckwad -- http://begthequestion.info/cards/btq-card-sheet.pdf
You may now resume pumping your dick in private.
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Re:"Can't we all get along?"
All this cloak-and-dagger stuff begs the question: "Can't we all get along?"
No it doesn't. Oh, I see you don't understand what "begs the question" means but are just using it (incorrectly) to try to impress upon us that you are a sophisticated intellectual.
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Also, it "begs the question" so it must be real!
All this begs the question Seriously, I would think that on a news for nerds page that at least the editors would have the slightest idea what "begs the question" actually means.
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Re:Whats the big deal?
Which begs the question, why don't people use words and language the ways in which they were intended? I say we decimate the lot!
Okay, I'm just trying to make a point here, of course. I'm not saying I entirely disagree with you, but we'll forever fight uphill battles if we hold too tightly to original Latin, and so forth.
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Re:Having grown up
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Thank you for saying "which INVITES the question"
This is antiterrorist technology. Which invites the question: who gave the city officials access to secret antiterrorist technology in a time of war?
Thank you for not saying "which BEGS the question", but rather showing an example of an easy way to express what you mean using a correct and non-grammarNazi-targeted construct.
I've decided that one way to get people to use the phrase "begging the question" properly, a more effective way than hounding them for using the phrase improperly, would be to use it properly as much as possible so that people can get used to seeing it in the right context. Your sentence provides a nice counterpoint to that, by showing when the phrase should not be used.
Yes, I am a grammar Nazi at heart. Go ahead and complain about how the English language is dynamic --it is so due no less to people who resist change as people who promote change (especially inadvertently).
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Re:IBM - deja vu all over again
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Re:Which begs the question...
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Re:begs the question
http://begthequestion.info/ Come on guys.
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Re:What Pandemic?a) That particular pandemic took off in large part because of weakened populations after a war. Plague tends to follow wars. Allow me to point out that, as peaceful as everything seems now, a war could break out. (Not that I accept your assumption that a war-weakened population was a requirement for a pandemic.) b)
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pendantic linguisticsThis begs the question: Since when did demos need copy protection?"
I believe you meant "raises the question".
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Re:Unless
Rather the GP would be raising the question.
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Re:Hurrah!
Please read the article in http://begthequestion.info/ and everything will be clarified to you. We could create another phrase to reflect that such as: "it raises the question" or "the question arisen is"...
About the circular argument... beautiful imagination! Nice to title something... -
Re:Hurrah!
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Re:and if you have a slashdot account
No, it raises the question. http://begthequestion.info/
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Re:hmmmm
..begs the obvious question
Beg what? You sure? Read this. -
begs the question
"and of course this begs the obvious question"
Um, no it doesn't, it *raises* it:
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what assumption?
your assumption certainly begs the question: Are you sure about that?
Begging the question does not mean raising the question.Excellent link. I'm just wondering about a point of clarification. If you were to say "I can't tell you because it's secret", would I be right to respond "That begs the question, why can't you tell me?"
...Or from your link, take the example:
What is it Not?
To beg the question does not mean "to raise the question." (e.g. "It begs the question, why is he so dumb?")Wouldn't that example statement be an appropriate response to me saying "He's dumb because he has a low IQ."?
That would mean that many people are often begging the question by answering questions in a tautologous manner. News reporters are often correct when they use the phrase, and we're not all abusing the English language as badly as it first appears. We use the phrase correctly much of the time, even if by accident.
PS. I'm posting as AC due to off-topic pedantry.
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Re:What if I make an SLA (stereolithography)?
I don't have an answer to your question, but your assumption certainly begs the question: Are you sure about that?
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Re:You cite "Patch Deployment Costs" as a reason..OOPS! You used the phrase "BEGS THE QUESTION" in an improper manner! "Begging the question" (Latin petitio principii) is a form of logical fallacy in which an argument is assumed to be true without evidence other than the argument itself. It does not mean "to raise the question." Read More
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Re:Nerds with something to hide
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Re:This RAISES the question......
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Re:This isn't as bad as it sounds.
No it doesn't beg the question, but it does indeed raise it.
A known disgruntled previous tenant, her sister who was evicted, is apparently the prime suspect.
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Re:This isn't as bad as it sounds.
I'm confused - in exactly what way does this beg the question?
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begs the question
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no, no questions have been begged
begging the question is totally different from "raising the question". Please, stop BTQ abuse.