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China is now the de facto renewable energy supplier of the world. Even as the proportion of equipment cost to total cost declines, they will continue to capture increasing fractions of global energy expenditures. This is -already- a multi 100 billion dollar industry growing at 20% on its way to become a multi-trillion dollar industry, which will put it among the top 10 industries on earth. If transportation goes electric, it will eat into the oil industry and become the single largest energy industry on earth and potentially rival the 5-6 trillion dollar agricultural industry. China has a decade lead and while competitors retreat, they accelerate. ...

... Supplier isn't user. http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/19/...
Air doesn't stay in one place. It circulates.

So you're saying that because China produces products that are eco-friendly for the rest of the world, the money and smog that it produces in generation of these eco-friendly products is lower than the benefit of the use of said products?

People like you who don't account for "energy is neither created or destroyed; it only changes form" when looking at "global footprints" and "per-capita this-and-that jazz" are ignorant of science that is all around you and within you right now - the ONLY way to reduce the Human "footprint" in the biosphere is to remove Humans or lower the count. Other animals don't burn coal, oil, or generate heat from nuclear fission/fusion; they convert energy from food and sunlight and TURN IN TO COAL AND OIL when they die.

You want to have an argument? Argue the use of preservatives in dead Humans for presentations at funerals having a major impact on the reuse of the matter Humans consumed before they died. See? You think it's stupid to even look at it because your mind is already directed toward the popular opinion and data sets and models. Self-worth, short-term gain selfishness and education-related bias. That's what's preventing progress in becoming more eco-friendly. And guess what? That's natural. Every plant and animal is selfish and wants to consume resources. Humans are manually and externally using resources and preventing themselves from being recycled. Intelligence kills. Let's start a movement in schools all over the world.

Wait, that's been tried already. Guess who/what won in making people uneducated and stupid? The powerful and intelligent that made them that way.

See? This can just go on and on and on and on....... Give up already. It isn't going to happen unless the method to make it happen is FREE and falls right in our laps (global warming resulting from Humans' contribution, that is). That's how most discoveries that got us here happened - oops. Accidents. Coincidences.

The intuitive leap from medium to small is unquestionably the insightful equivalent of Beamon's long jump in the same vein that Joe Mixon will ever play a down in the NFL.

You might be interested to read about Atsushi Shimizu's turbine prototype that he claims can withstand typhoon-strength winds up to 80 meters/second (178.955 mph). CNN's article on it mentions that they were only able to achieve 30% efficiency when they last tested it in 2015, but if it can generate electricity at anywhere close to its estimated max speed, that should still come out to a sizable power gain. Of course, they'll need to hit it with a typhoon to find out if it will work as planned, first...

A really big part of the good that will come out of a Trump presidency is that Congress will now clip the wings of the Executive Branch and widespread out-of-control Executive Orders will become a thing of the past.

And you are basing this on what empirical evidence exactly? The last two times we had one-party government, I don't believe either POTUS (one of each party) felt the need to veto a single bill. If you think this time it will be different, then why just yesterday did this new Congress rescind their very first attempt at legislation after a very mildly disapproving tweet from the PEOTUS?

The CEO of Ford disagrees with you.

I think its much more reasonable to trust the opinions of major medical organizations than put stock in baseless fears pulled out the usual place.

You mean the same "major medical organizations" whose errors may be the 3rd leading cause of death in the U.S., amounting to roughly 250,000 deaths per year?

Don't get me wrong: I agree with you to the extent that I think it's probably MUCH more likely that doctors are making errors rather than deliberately killing people or letting people die. But given how few actual errors are admitted by doctors, it's hard to put the word "trust" and "major medical organizations" in the same sentence. (And yeah, I get that the reason doctors aren't more forthcoming about errors has to do with a whole bunch of legal crap and a litigation-happy culture, but the fact is that there's a lot of times when the "opinions" of "major medical organizations" screw up.)

Regardless, given the stats (which even more conservative estimates put at at least 100k deaths/year due to medical errors), I don't think it's a "baseless fear" to say that sometimes doctors may not necessarily make the best decisions for you.

Story about how it was done over 1500 times in China, through execution of political prisoners. A practice that the US Congress refuses to condemn to this day.

And then there's the parents selling their daughters to men to eventually be married to them when they are old enough. If they're below the legal age of consent even with parental consent, and there is compensation involved, it's child prostitution. This stuff might be legal and/or traditional where some of these people came from, but it's not legal here. (And it wasn't necessarily legal back home, either.) And it goes on plenty. Also, where do people think all those missing kids go? A lot of them are never even reported. Of those that are, those who are never found and for whom there is no evidence of abduction are simply written off as unexplained, but we have reason to believe that a lot of them are sold into slavery of some kind, perhaps even predominantly sexual slavery and with nothing to look forward to but a bad end.

How is that a better analogy? There are over 8M millionaires in the US, and less than 500K in France. And while the American number is increasing, that French number is *decreasing* - http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/0...

What these policies are accomplishing is to get the entrepreneurs to leave France for other countries. Now, you might argue (as many in France do) that quality of life is more important than money. But for some quality of life it to be left the hell alone and not have your life run by a nanny state.

In other words you have a %2.6 chance of being a millionaire in the U.S vs a %1 in France. Well I guess %99 of France is smarter then the %97.4 of the U.S in demanding policies that work for them instead of hoping that one day they will get lucky and be one of those tiny percentages

How is that a better analogy? There are over 8M millionaires in the US, and less than 500K in France. And while the American number is increasing, that French number is *decreasing* - http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/0...

What these policies are accomplishing is to get the entrepreneurs to leave France for other countries. Now, you might argue (as many in France do) that quality of life is more important than money. But for some quality of life it to be left the hell alone and not have your life run by a nanny state.

So other sources say more than just a laptop and last I checked a power station is part of the grid

Did you read the source you linked to? It says nothing about being at a power station, and specifically says it was on a laptop NOT connected to the grid systems.

The headline is complete bullshit. Can the author not even read? The grid was not penetrated, hacked, or comprimised. No report says it was. This is totally a fabrication from the reporters.

 
"We detected the malware in a single Burlington Electric Department laptop not connected to our organization’s grid systems."

So other sources say more than just a laptop and last I checked a power station is part of the grid

It seems that science is close to being able to grow human organs in pigs. So maybe we don't have to worry so much about losing transplant organs because fewer people are dying in car crashes.

Did you try showing them your own hand drawn image of Mohammed? Did you criticize Islam in any way? Did you ask them if violent jihad or suicide bombings against civilians could ever be justified? Did you tell them you are gay or had gay friends?

If not, then it doesn't mean anything that you say all the muslims you've ever encountered have never attacked or condemned you .

Ah, but the religion isn't the problem, yeah sure. Try telling that to Molly Norris. Radicalizing your peaceful, everyday friendly muslims into murderous maniac is so easily, apparently, that we have to censor cartoonists in our own country and make sure armed police are present for any mohammed themed art shows.

To even say that it is just the fundamentalists or extremists that is the problem is to pretend that they appear out of a vacuum, and to completely ignore that it happens almost exclusively with this particular religion. If that isn't disingenuous, I don't know what is.

> Really? When you receive a phishing email saying "click here to reset your Gmail password", your first thought is "OMG the Russians are in my network!"? Really? What the hell does "tips them off to the fact that you're in their network" even mean in this case - he gave them his GMAIL password.

You're confusing leaks, which is just sad because I wrote a guide to help people keep the three different leaks clear. This report is related to the DNC leaks which alleged the presence of RATs, etc. being found after an investigation caused by the emails being leaked to Wikileaks. Podesta was phished in a completely separate incident.

Those are two completely separate items, and there were reports of phishing leading to a malware download in some of the reports on the DNC leak, which is the incident I was talking about. I can see why you conflated that with the more famous phishing in the Podesta dump. It's really easy to conflate all this information (by design).

Ironically, even if we go to just the Podesta dump, the actual phishing email specifically claimed that Podesta should worry about Ukrainian hackers from 134.249.139.239. Quoting from the thread in relevant part:

> Someone just used your password to try to sign in to your Google Account
> john.podesta@gmail.com.
>
> Details:
> Saturday, 19 March, 8:34:30 UTC
> IP Address: 134.249.139.239
> Location: Ukraine

(emphasis added)

You're also confused here:

> Due to an unfortunate typo by Charles Delavan

It's more than just a "typo" and we covered that on Slashdot when it came up (including yours truly). He also told him to do a password reset--something completely unnecessary for a fake attack. This also ignores the words of Sara Latham in that thread saying: "The gmail one is REAL" This was discussed extensively in the Slashdot story's comments.

Hackers don't normally want a target to realize they're hacked at all. And they were surely tipped off by these sloppy, noisy attacks. Podesta also had other passwords in his email that got used, including someone from 4chan messing with his Twitter account. They're probably sloppy enough to reuse passwords if they fall for this, too. Usually once they own your email they do password resets and leverage the access against other systems.

> Oh I see, you're an uber fan rooting against the other team.

I'm independent. Go check my Slashdot history for me supporting Obama back in 2008 if you like. I'm more than happy to give Colin Powell (and other Republicans, including that member of Trump's staff) their share of blame for bad OPSEC, too, as can be seen from my Slashdot history. I discussed that back here along with the entire email where Hillary & Colin discuss how to break every rule of operational security and worm their ways around the Presidential Records Act in ways that would make Nixon jealous.

Inasmuch as I am partisan, it's because I hate lying.

I hated it when Bush lied. I hate when Hillary & co. lie. Watching Obama trying to sabotage Israel and keep us from working with Russia to crush Isis murderers in Syria is perhaps the most disappointed I've been with him in his entire tenure. When Islamic militants are murdering Russian diplomats, not to mention this other murder by Isis, you have to quest

No, I didn't notice that at all. Probably because it doesn't exist. Congress has been briefed about these investigations for months.

I think that "red flag" you are waving around looks more like a herring than a flag.

The other fun part is that the US is not even trying to find out who walked out the the actual material.
"Julian Assange: 'A lot more material' coming on US elections"
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07...
""Perhaps one day the source or sources will step forward and that might be an interesting moment some people may have egg on their faces. But to exclude certain actors is to make it easier to find out who our sources are,"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new... 15 December 2016
"The source had legal access to the information. The documents came from inside leaks, not hacks'"
The US faced another Pentagon papers event https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... and tried to make some code litter thats floating around the "net" look like it was not a very internal, domestic issue.

She lost! Get over it!

Lock her up! Lock her up! Lock her up!

So much for transparency....

According to Trump we should just move on and ignore the fact that he only one as a result of Russian hacking of emails. (Yes, the previous statement is true. It did more than enough damage to be his margin of victory, as did Comey's interference. Either alone were enough given the margin.)

Meanwhile his running mate is suing to keep his emails hidden. link Now the republicans are saying that they have a right to hide what goes on in the people's house.

Every single person who votes for that should be impeached, removed from office, or otherwise at minimum not reelected. They should never be allowed to hold a public office again. I still can't believe how hard Trump is trying to cover for Putin's actions.

What the hell does Putin have on Trump? Does he hold some of his mortgages? Have we really elected a puppet? It is not as if Trump has been afraid to confront anyone else. I understand that he wants to protect the idea that he won fair and square, even if it is an outright lie, but wouldn't it be simpler to just condemn them and move on? He causes the topic to be extended.

Here's today's CNN front page photo for their story about Obama's response :

http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/...

He's LITERALLY finger wagging.

Or maybe it's because Note 7 sales only accounted for 0.6% of 3Q 2016 Android sales. (2 million Note 7s vs 328.6 million Android handsets sold (autoplay video warning). Yes, Android sales for the quarter were nearly 1.5x the iPhone's typical sales for a year. 2016 sales figures aren't in yet, but in 2015 Android sold 1.2 billion units. The Note 7 sales would only be 0.17% of that.

The only people who make a big deal about the Note 7 fiasco are Note 7 owners, Samsung stockholders, and Apple fanboys (where TFA comes from). Compared to Android's overall sales, Note 7 sales were a drop in the bucket. Every single Note 7 owner could've switched to iPhones and you would've needed 3 significant figures to even notice.

How ironic you want to talk about "strict" regarding the state that has built up the largest legal gambling mecca in the known universe

False. Macau surpassed Las Vegas in gambling revenue back in 2007 or so.

http://money.cnn.com/2014/01/0...

Because they are not people (Vatican, the Gettys, the Rothschilds), not all that rich (the Queen) or died December 16, 1980, Louisville, KY (Col. Sanders).

ahh, deflect blame

It's not deflection to point out how full of shit you Hatebois are when you race for the fainting couches if Apple is involved but DGAF if it's anyone else.

Except all the money "given to banks" in the bailout was a *loan* that's been paid back in full with interest and actually netted the government a profit. http://money.cnn.com/2014/12/1...

CR is far more trustworthy than Apple.

Thus implying that Apple is untrusthworthy. So when was Apple busted for cheating, ATI style? Or is this just one of those Hatorade-based tautologies, like holding it wrong or Bendghazi?

... adds value?

LinkedIn was hacked four years ago, and what initially seemed to be a theft of 6.5 million passwords has actually turned out to be a breach of 117 million passwords.

Why would Apple ever need a PR solution?

Jobs' solution to "antenna-gate" as you call it, was to announce to the world that the phone was fine, people were just holding it incorrectly:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/m...

The best part? You've "been a Mac user for 13+ years" and no matter how badly they fuck with you, no matter how badly they screw up, then cover up the screwups, then have those screwups leaked, THEN fix the screwups in a point revision model...and you're STILL going to buy Apple at the end of the day because you don't know any better.

Yes, like Obama has done such a bang-up job.

An example from CNN.

And let's not forget the clusterfuck that is TPP for eroding rights. In fact, I could just list these off for a good half hour, I'm sure, but my point is made, especially since I doubt you have any real interest in facing the possibility of truth in something that goes against your sacred ideology that Trump is the font from which all evil flows because the media told you Trump isn't Hillary and Hillary is the Chosen One. Trump's policies on this suck. So do those of most of the other elected representatives. If you want to change that you'd better be trying to change everyone, not just the person you have decided is the cause of all ills and shall usher in the apocalypse because Trump. Even if he were to quit tomorrow and somehow hand over the reigns to Hillary (regardless of the illegality of such an act), she'd pick up right where Obama left off.

Also, I see that you seem to be obsessed with throwing in the word "Trump" in a bunch of replies and try to twist this entire thread into a pile of anti-Trump whining. As a general note, this does not make you look witty or clever, it makes you look like a fool with a one-track mind.

Your statement is at odds with this report:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/12/politics/gop-russia-hacking-trump/

Recent claims by RNC that a spam filter prevented them being hacked in the same way as the DNC do not prove that they were not targeted and successfully infiltrated, only that the single exploit mentioned apparently failed in that case.

It's pretty clear to all concerned at this point that Russia's intent was to smear Clinton and pump Trump.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com...

Hillary supports widened gun control, do you doubt her word for it?

How could you have any guns left after Obama took them all? Oh wait....

AsHornWumpus put it, thank dog, the president doesn't have the power to unilaterally do whatever he wants, and was instead blocked from taking guns as he wanted to by congress who passes actual legislation. Though he did cry on TV because he couldn't stop extremely rare instences of violence that would happen with or without guns.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us...
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/01/...
etc etc etc

Replying to the false narrative Russia keeps putting out:

I guess they would be defending Crimea and other Russia territory from attacks over the border.

There was nothing to defend since it isn't their territory. It's Ukrainian soil and Ukraine wasn't attacking Russia, let alone even threatening Russia.

However, since the Russian invasion and occupation of Crimea there has been wholesale arrests of Crimean Tartars, the television, radio and other Tartar news sources have been shut down, and their businesses stolen.

Got Crimea back,

There was nothing to get back. It wasn't Russia's to begin with.

got involved in Syria and seems to have resolved it

By deliberately bombing hospitals and civilians, yes, that is one way.

and installed his choice of leader in the White House.

Agreed. Putin did a fantastic job on the gullible rednecks in the U.S. which shows how far this country has sunk.

while removing sanctions and doing deals to boost the Russian economy.

Also agreed. That is what Russia needs most right now because with oil prices still being low, Russia just might run out of money in the coming year. We know the sanctions have been have been having an effect so Putin had to do whatever he could to make sure Hillary Clinton didn't get in since she would have increased sanctions as well as possibly provide military support to Ukraine.

Last year was very warm due to 'super El Nino' conditions. El Nino occurs every 4 years or so, and is then followed by La Nina conditions which are usually very cold. This is probably why temperatures have plummeted so much that it snowed in the SAHARA yesterday. This is all natural fluctuations on top of the gradual rise that started 150 years ago at the end of the Little Ice Age (where solar magnetic activity started changing terrestrial cloud formation, see the work by Svensmark and Shaviv for example). A mere 2% increase in water vapor has the same effect as a 100% increase in CO2, water vapor really is the dominant 'greenhouse gas'.

Here are pictures of yesterday's snow in the Sahara for anyone who is interested, the last time it was cold enough to snow here was 37 years ago:
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12...
So much for all the clueless new agencies that said 'snow is a thing of the past' a decade ago
https://web.archive.org/web/20...
and all the 'ice free Arctic summer' forecasts also made by clueless mainstream media outlets
http://realclimatescience.com/...
They are a bunch of liars ! Don't fall for the lies anymore, dear Slashdotters. Especially don't let the frauds take your hard-earned cash as 'green tax' or take your individual liberty away in the name of 'saving the planet'. They got the science wrong and think they can win by lying to you to continue their globalist One World Government (UN) scam - which they control and you do not elect.

With regard to the claim that the Arctic won't freeze I believe the people making the claims don't seem to understand that an El Nino often delays winter conditions by months, but when they do come and form La Nina conditions then they come with a vengeance. Expect next year to be colder than normal. And after that the 4-year El Nino/La Nina cycle driven by the Pacific Ocean will start again.

Here are data from the Arctic (Danish sources that are not fraudulent politicized entities like US ones):
http://www.dmi.dk/en/groenland...
We see that Greenland (in the Arctic) has massive amounts of MORE ice than normal. We also see normal variability in the ice cover data, things look fairly normal and ice cover is currently in an increasing phase both for this time of year and since 2012
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/ice...

Have a great Christmas dear Slashdotters, and I hope each of you has a much better 2017 than this year.

Do you mean like how it just snowed in the Sahara Desert for the first time in 37 years?

One sentence in your linked article, which was as sensationalist as TFA: "Ain Sefra is 1,078 meters above sea level and is surrounded by the Atlas Mountains. "

It snowed in the mountains during winter. Who'da thunk it?

Funny how U.S. intelligence services turn from human intelligence to signals intelligence in the light of warnings from:

Flight instructors
Russia regarding the Tsarnaev brothers
Parents of terrorists ...and many more.

Are they lazy or just incompetent?

Do you mean like how it just snowed in the Sahara Desert for the first time in 37 years?

stfu bigot.

everything you point out as being "incompatible w/ the US constitution" I can match from the Bible and then some.

you want to go down this road, fine.
but it doesn't end where you think it does.

it ends with the end of religious freedom for anybody.

Otherwise, someone doing an honor killing can claim first amendment protection of practice of Islam as the basis of strangling his daughter b'cos she was out kissing a Jewish guy.

Again: stfu bigot.

This is not difficult to google. Here's one - you can find the others. http://piersmorgan.blogs.cnn.c...

I don't see anything in there about conservatives being called racist for attacking the stimulus plan. Also, Piers Morgan isn't part of the news media, and Morgan Freeman definitely isn't.

So can you find any actual examples, rather than random famous people saying something completely different from what was claimed?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ca...

In a dramatic demonstration, he and his colleagues use a laptop computer to hack into a car being driven by Stahl. Much to her surprise, they were able to take control of many of the car's functions, including the braking and acceleration.

Yeah that's, like, very credible. (Have you actually bothered to read the full thing?).

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/07/22...

In a controlled test, they turned on the Jeep Cherokee's radio and activated other inessential features before rewriting code embedded in the entertainment system hardware to issue commands through the internal network to steering, brakes and the engine.

Translation: their commands were ignored or didn't even reach the intended systems. If they had actually managed to "disable the brakes", they'd probably mention it in a bit more than a vague subsentence like that.

http://www.infoworld.com/artic...

They also cause the steering wheel to jerk around by making the car think it's in reverse and activating the auto-park feature, and thanks to their hacks, the car's brake pedal ceased to work entirely.

Translation (if honest): at very low speeds, we can actually disable the brake pedal.
Color me impressed. I'm glad that car wouldn't be allowed on EU roads.

In fact, Valasek and Miller ask Greenberg to turn off the car after their speedometer prank, most likely to head off the car deploying its airbag when its speed drops rapidly from 199mph to the actual number, which the car would interpret as a crash.

That's a wild, and wrong, guess. That's not how airbags deploy.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/tech...

I honestly tried to watch the video but it's unclear which of the few dozens 3rd party javascripts to allow for it to actually play.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...

Not only does the computer weakness allow hackers to manipulate the locks and turn off the engine, it also enables them to cut the brakes. They can even take over the steering wheel if the car is in reverse

That sounds like the paragraph above re-digested.

https://www.ic3.gov/media/2016...

[disabling the brakes at low speed only] (paraphrased)

Meh.

Well, at least I have learned that American cars may actually have brake-by-wire, fair enough. In the developed world, there are safety requirements, like a redundant physical link between the brake pedal and the actual brakes, that has to work regardless of failure of one of the brake-supporting systems.

Hyperbole? I do not think that word means what you think it means.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/21/...

Ergo, without California, Trump's nation-wide deficit of 2,833,220 votes becomes a 1,436,758 surplus. Just as I said.

Could that Nigerian asshole have had anything to do with Hillary getting so many more votes in CA than in the rest of the nation? Of course not. But it is just as plausible as Putin somehow "hacking our elections"...

Jesus H. Christ...don't be so fucking lazy...it's real...

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ca...
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/07/22...
http://www.infoworld.com/artic...
http://www.cnn.com/videos/tech...
https://www.washingtonpost.com...

Hey, how is that swamp draining going? Trump is nominating someone who leaked classified information and wasn't prosecuted by the FBI, considered someone for secretary of state who was convicted of sharing classified information and Trump is lauding the Philippines leader who compares himself to Hitler and who has death squads that kill people on suspicion of having committed a crime. Why is Trump doing this? There is no knowable reason except, I don't know, maybe that it will allow Trump to have a business deal go through in the Philippines. Swamp drained yet?

I didn't vote for either Trump or Hillary --- but if you look at what actually happened, you don't need conspiracy theories to explain it.

But that's the thing, too many people on the Trump side are explaining it as...something it is not. That's what has come up here.

Hillary won the east and west coasts, very much as you might have expected. She won them big and that's the main reason for her overall popular vote win.

She lost in conservative states where you would expect that.

The pollsters and pundits misread the situation on the ground in states like Michigan, which they thought Hillary would win, but instead went over to Trump by fairly narrow margins.

Ah, you should look at some maps..

Pretty
pictures.
ok

This appears to be more to do with the economy, jobs, etc., than leaked emails and the like.

Well, it's not because they love Donald Trump. He's now not unfavorable by 2/3 of the country! That's soaring...to new lows.

Of course, all of this can be debated endlessly, but what is there about the election that really leads to a credible theory of manipulation, fraud, and hacking? The fact that Hillary lost is not exactly evidence.

You may or may not be disappointed with the outcome. You may or may not be happy that Trump will be president. But there certainly seems to be a fairly simple and fairly logical explanation for the outcome. That seems a lot stronger than conspiracy theories.

Bzzt, error, error. You're in the wrong section of the thread. This is the section of the thread where we're talking about how Trump's win is not a landslide, is not clearly showing how the American people are speaking, and ultimately how Trump's a lying braggart.

I mean, if you want to discuss something, we could ask ourselves why Wisconsin has the lowest turnout since 2000. Why Michigan had so many problems. Why Pennsylvania election officials lied to potential voters. We could do that. But we won't.

Maybe he's ethical

Yeah, that must be it.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/1...

large swathes of the South China Sea are no longer clearly International Waters as the current article implies.

The territorial limits are clear. China is simply choosing to ignore them in the hope that they can bully their way into greater territorial control.

This isn't fucking R&D..

This is you or at least what you are fucking

What the hell makes you think the price of "buying a 30% stake in three subsidiaries of Goldwind, China's biggest wind-turbine manufacturer" would in any way or form be counted in Apple's R&D budget?

In case you already forgot your original claim to which I responded:

Apple is not investing in R&D

To which I replied the number Apple cites in their quarterly report, which is way higher than zero.

A former British ambassador to Uzbekistan has some news on that too
"WikiLeaks figure says ‘disgusted’ Democrat leaked Clinton campaign emails" ( December 14, 2016)
http://www.washingtontimes.com...
"“The source had legal access to the information. The documents came from inside leaks, not hacks.”" (15 December 2016)
"EXCLUSIVE: Ex-British ambassador who is now a WikiLeaks operative claims Russia did NOT provide Clinton emails - they were handed over to him at a D.C. park by an intermediary for 'disgusted' Democratic whistleblowers"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...
All that fits in well with the "Julian Assange: 'A lot more material' coming on US elections" July 27, 2016
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07...
'"Perhaps one day the source or sources will step forward and that might be an interesting moment some people may have egg on their faces."

The US is just seeing another domestic political Pentagon Papers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

we are getting kinda desperate. Trump's pick for Secretary of Treasury is literally a guy who preyed on elderly widows. His pick for Dept of Energy said the department should be closed. His pick for Education wants to end public education. These aren't exaggerations. These are things these people are on record as saying.

So far Trump's entire administration are either the worst dreks from the swamp or his incompetent buddies. Our Government, contrary to what you might believe, actually does thing for people. Good things. Like education, disaster relief, granting access to life saving health care. Barring a miracle in the electoral college we're about to hand the difficult task of governing over to people who either don't think it's possible or see it as an opportunity to enrich themselves at everyone's expense.

If you're not kinda desperate right now then you're just not paying attention. As the old saying goes, reality has a liberal bias.

This isn't fucking R&D..

The iPhone maker struck a deal this week to buy a 30% stake in three subsidiaries of Goldwind, China's biggest wind-turbine manufacturer.