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If I may say... RTFA !

Arctic circle !
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9041041&pageNumber=2
That being DeBeers' one I guess this is also the one located in a diamond mine.

Of course, this thread started by wondering if it was smart to force Japan to apply their own expertise to a big military project. If they really do match or best the F-22, then I guess that technology would be what was "shared" with China. No good options here, apparently.

It has to be added, though, that saying you'll match the F-22 and actually doing it are two very different things even for a nation as advanced as Japan. They're not exactly world leaders in airplane manufacture right now.

Damn it! Quote your sources, man! (page 2) We really need an "edit this half-arsed post" button.

Well, actually the guy wrote a funny interview a few days ago, on Computerworld. Here it is: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=operating_systems&articleId=9040239&taxonomyId=89&intsrc=kc_top On October 1, McBride claimed that the rumors of SCO demise are greatly exaggerated.

Must be some new patch Apple put out to disable its users from using their equipment in a meaningful way.

"Saudi Arabia has $800bn (£400bn) in their future generation fund, and the entire region has $3,500bn under management. They face an inflationary threat and do not want to import an interest rate policy set for the recessionary conditions in the United States" ...
"why bear the risk in these dramatically changed circumstances? We think that a fall in dollar to $1.50 against the euro is not out of the question at all by the first quarter of 2008," he said.

"This is nothing like the situation in 1998 when the crisis was in Asia, but the US was booming. This time the US itself is the problem,"

The Sub-Prime Market imploded, which has been very bad for US banks, like NetBank (which was just shut down by the FDIC).

The budget defecit swelled to 117 billion dollars in August. For those keeping track, that's up 80% year over year, with spending up 30% month over month.

Oh, and for icing on the cake - it looks like housing sales in some areas are down 46% year over year, or 25% month over month.

So, please, we have enough problems - let's not go deliberately taunting the biggest superpower in the world (at least any more - with our 9 trillion in debt, we're not going to be the "world police" much longer.) Also, the "but our GDP grows faster than our debt" argument doesn't cut it when the GDP is shrinking, the currency is in the toilet, and we still get to pay the interest on all that debt.

A lot of people around here seem to think that city-wide wireless is going to be free. In Minneapolis, there is a fee--$19.95/mo residential, $29.95/mo for business.
 
The wi-fi has already had unforseen benefits as the new wi-fi was used during the rescue effort after the Interstate 35W bridge collapse.

"We have processes in place now where we build documented-threat models at design time .."

How about hiring someone who can count .. Good think this integrated innovated professional software product isn't written to the same standards as that amateur Linux rubbish made in some kids bedroom ..

Actually, the deal with the last set of iPods, is that they added a database function that took a whole several days for the hacks community to catch up with. They didn't do it to lock anyone out of anything, they added a feature.

And, please read this article: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9037398&intsrc=hm_list
This is Steve discussing this very topic. He wants to discourage people unlocking the phone from carriers Apple has contracted with; he's not talking about someone installing Tetris.app on their iPhone. I think perhaps some of the confusion is in the term "hacks" which the press has been misusing for decades. Jobs doesn't like the specific class of them which impacts his contractual agreements; he hasn't said or done anything to interfere with app installs.

And - when new firmware comes out, it's easy enough to see what changed, take out that which kills your mod of choice, and release a change manifest that anyone can apply if they choose. This isn't a problem, even if it was a problem, which it isn't.

"One of the things I talk about often is my mom, because she is 78 and she's found e-mail .. You have to educate consumers not to make mistakes like clicking on attachments from unknown sources and not following links and all of that"

No, all you have to do is build a Desktop System that can't be compromised by opening an e-mail attachment or clicking on a URL ..

"more people are like, 'Microsoft got its act together, and others should follow their lead,' technologists say, 'OK, our job is done -- what next?'"

"What I explain to people is that this isn't actually a technology problem we are solving; it's a crime problem"

Self serving imaginary made up quotes and a nonsensical opinion expressed. Making it a twenty year felony crime for hacking Windows isn't going to make Windows any more secure ...

Facebook Quietly Offers Storage to Developers

isn't any announcement made in text format, by definition, quiet?

I mean, unless you're using the Sam Kinison text-to-speech plugin for firefox.

Bet it has something to do with this

The article was sparse on details, here's a better one:

The 2,500-square-foot lab was completed in July and includes about 80 servers that are running Intel Corp. dual- and quad-core chips, as well as dual-core chips from Advanced Micro Devices Inc.

So far, the lab has four engineers on staff, with another four to be hired by the end of the year, Hanrahan said. Other engineers from Microsoft and Novell facilities around the world will also work in the lab, he said.

... a Microsoft spokesperson said the information received was inaccurate and Microsoft has not deployed the update that includes reduced functionality mode in non-validated copies of Windows Vista this week. That said, the spokesperson indicated the anti-piracy measure is still on its way in the form of a Windows Genuine Advantage (WGA) update.

Remembering the flap over the WGA meltdown Microsoft had recently, I expect that it's merely a matter of time before legitimate customers start getting "reduced functionality", and a ticking time bomb for Microsoft's bottom line when a major corporate system gets hit. I wouldn't be surprised to see a fast scramble to make sure critical systems either aren't on Vista in the first place, or are moved off of them post-haste.

Darl just can't keep from flapping his festering pie-hole. Up until now SCO attorneys have been fairly good at keeping him quiet and from making public statements. However it looks as though he couldn't resist doing a computerworld interview. I'm not sure what he thinks he has to gain by attempting to try his case in the courts of public opinion:

We absolutely and fundamentally believe we are right in this case, and we believe in the justice system. But we also know that things don't always happen the way they're supposed to, and we're realistic about that point.

And this gem is fascinating as well:

Let's call a spade a spade: We just took a literal pounding. We got knocked down -- there is no doubt about it. This is not a good ruling for us. But it's not the end of the line of the legal battle. In fact, there's some very encouraging things that came out of even this ruling. And we will continue to fight on those fronts.

Original article here

I can only guess that the "encouraging thing" he is speaking about has to be that Kimball ruled that they own their own derivitive works of UnixWare. However these are facts were never in question. At this point we can expect SCO to argue that the M$ and Sun licenses were SCOsource licenses and not SVR4 UNIX. Good luck with that since I believe they have made conflicting public statements about that in the past as well.

Nothing has changed then:

http://www.computerworld.com/blogs/node/6153

Normally, I would jump on the editor(s) more than the submitter. If a submitter's is *less* interested in getting stories of interest to the community posted and more interested in pulling traffic to their site, then it is the editor's job to recognise this over time and take it into account in their decision. IMHO, anyway.

But in this case, Carpenter has decided to preach about the submission system. She has a conflict on interest in this regard - she wants fewer people to have a say in whether her story is accepted yet doesn't declare her posting motivations. So fsck her - she's not being straight up in about her own motives when she questions those of others. She says:

Yeah, probably there are people being paid Joyce. Ya figure? How 'bout a statement on *your* motivations?

Her full comment is at the URL below. Be aware that you're generating ad revenue going there ...

Well when you work for ComputerWorld blog what more do you expect?

I don't know why the /. crowd always assumes Microsoft is some crazy puppet master pulling strings in all these places to get more people involved in the ISO standardization and voting.

Oh I dunno.... maybe it's because at least one of the companies that Microsoft DID attempt to bribe has publicly blown the whistle on that attempt, and Microsoft was forced to admit it.

No, the flood of Microsoft lackies flooding in to various national groups at the last minute to spam the vote is not on the up-and-up. No, the flood of groups from tiny countries with no history of activity on technical standards rushing in to join this specific workgroup at International Organization for Standardization to spam the vote is not on the up-and-up. Microsoft's hands are quite dirty here. It is a deliberate effort by Microsoft to subvert the process when Microsoft knows that the existing standards bodies would have overwhelmingly rejected Microsoft's submission for legitimate and severe technical deficiencies.

There is so much bloodlust against Microsoft here it's scary.

Well it turns out in this case that they were right and you were mistaken.

Maybe there is a good reason for that. Maybe they know a lot more about Microsoft's behavior than you do. Maybe there is a very long history of good reasons for "bloodlust" against Microsoft, and maybe if you were to read up on the long history of Microsoft's behavior you too would develop a quite justified well informed "bloodlust" against Microsoft too. If a person or company violates enough laws and and does enough unethical things and deliberately inflicts enough harm, it can be quite reasonable and rational to be angry at them. Just because you are unaware of the reasons for that anger is not a very good reason to presume Microsoft is some innocent victim here.

Microsoft has the will and resources to fix everything that needs fixing

I am a programmer, have the background and expertise to read and competently comment on the OOXML specification Microsoft has submitted. I have not read the full 6000 pages. In fact I'll freely admit that I have read only a few small peices of it. However I have read more then enough to absolutely conclude NO, Microsoft will not and cannot fix it. OOXML is not an open format, there is no possibility that anyone else could implement it, and there is no possibility that Microsoft ever expected anyone else to be able to implement it. OOXML is little more than a wrapper that says "keep using Microsoft's software".

The only way Microsoft could seriously fix everything that needs to be fixed in OOXML would be to literally start from scratch. And if they started from scratch and addressed all of the "No, with comments" issues, they might as well simply participate in the already existing standard rather than pointlessly duplicating it.

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German gov't PCs hacked; China offers to investigate — Trojan horse programs were found on a number of computers

Quote(August 27, 2007):"Security experts from Germany's Federal Office for Information Security (BSI) and Federal Data Protection Office discovered Trojan horse programs in computers used in several government ministries, including the Foreign Ministry, the Ministry of Economics and the Research and Development Ministry, as well as Merkel's office, Der Spiegel reported."

*grins diabolically*

CC.

The same is true of stores (lots of ppl passing by) and office will be the worse. But in the office, most can actually telicommute.

Incorrect. The text you quote could have been better phrased, but if you had clicked through on the link on the words third spot before you copy-and-pasted them, you would have seen that the 5.6% is not only a different research firm talking about a different time period, it's for all types of computer system, not just laptops.

17.6% of laptops, 5.6% of all computers.

Or, slightly more than 1 laptop out of every 6 -- and 1 computer out of every 18.

Please RTFA carefully before you post.

If this article was about HP's 28.4% market share or Dell's 23.8% market share in total computer sales according to IDC (like this one, this wouldn't be on Slashdot. That said, it's great that an alternative to Windows is becoming somewhat mainstream, but we don't need quite so many articles about it, it's starting to become like "Vista adoption slow" or "Microsoft hates its customers" or "Microsoft is gaming ISO" or "It's finally the year of the Linux Desktop" or "Firefox gaining marketshare", we've heard it a million times, and it's not really news anymore...

Microsoft probably engineered Gonzalez's resignation to distract attention from this weekend's WGA fiasco.

The enemies of the American people have been using open source software for years. Here are a few examples:

http://www.netc.org/openoptions/examples/what.html
http://www.computerworld.com/printthis/2005/0,4814 ,100648,00.html

"In January of 2003, SCADA system computers infected with the Slammer worm caused a blackout at the Davis-Besse power plant in Ohio", Forbes

'The Slammer worm penetrated a private computer network at Ohio's Davis-Besse nuclear power plant in January and disabled a safety monitoring system for nearly five hours '

"Seven months later, another computer virus was widely suspected of preventing the detection of power loss at a plant providing electricity to parts of New York State", Forbes

'TRANSCRIPTS of telephone conversations between utility operators prior to last month's power blackout in the US and Canada '

"Seven months later, another computer virus was widely suspected by security researchers of leading to a power loss at a plant providing electricity to parts of New York State, despite the Nuclear Regulatory Commission's argument that no evidence of virus-involvement was found"

'The task force responsible for investigating the cause of the Aug. 14 blackout that crippled most of the Northeast corridor of the U.S. and parts of Canada concluded that a software failure at FirstEnergy Corp. may have contributed significantly to the outage'

'On the day of the blackout, Blaster degraded the performance of several communications lines linking key data centers used by utility companies to manage the power grid, the sources confirmed'

I remembered we had a boxing video game in a local gameshop. Players' punched on a padding sensor and the strength would be measured, and the screen will respond accordingly.

The game was just fine until one day accident occurred. As a matter of fact, this was not the fault of the game design itself. A smartass attempted to hit the padding with a jump-side-back-kick with spinning, and missed, and broke his non-kicking leg as it was landed on the wrong place (well, as a witness myself I must say I'm not so sure whether he had planned any landing afterall).

Needless to say, the game was recalled for 'causing violent accident'.

Violent video game is OK as long as the players don't attempt to hurt themselves in most embarrass ways.

BTW, below is the no-full-page-ad of the headline story:
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?com mand=printArticleBasic&articleId=9032180

Michael Tiemann, president of the non-profit Open Source Initiative, said that provisions in three out of five of Microsoft's shared-source licenses that restrict source code to running only on the Windows operating system would contravene a fundamental tenet of open-source licenses as laid out by the OSI. By those rules, code must be free for anyone to view, use, modify as they see fit.

"I am certain that if they say Windows-only machines, that would not fly because that would restrict the field of use," said Tiemann in an interview late Friday.

"So, come back in five or ten years, and we can compare SQL Server 2005 -- maybe it'll be hit with a massive worm next year. Otherwise, either compare broader sets of versions, or older ones." - by SanityInAnarchy (655584) on Friday August 17, @06:43PM (#20268857)

Well? So far?? SO GOOD (absolutely current data as of this date, today, on both per my subject line above):

Vulnerability Report: Microsoft SQL Server 2005:

http://secunia.com/product/6782/?task=statistics

Zero/0 vulnerabilities in its ENTIRE HISTORY, to date (of this post/currently)...

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July 2007 - Operating System Vulnerability Scorecard:

http://blogs.technet.com/security/archive/2007/08/ 16/july-2007-operating-system-vulnerability-scorec ard.aspx

AND THESE, whole year long, by category...?

WORKSTATION CLASS OS VULNERABILITIES:

http://blogs.technet.com/blogfiles/security/Window sLiveWriter/July2007OperatingSystemVulnerabilitySc or_DB33/image_5.png

SERVER CLASS OS VULNERABILITIES:

http://blogs.technet.com/blogfiles/security/Window sLiveWriter/July2007OperatingSystemVulnerabilitySc or_DB33/image_7.png

It seems that LINUX has had more problems this year, with vulnerabilities BY FAR, than Windows XP SP 2 or Windows Server 2003, period... & last year too, see next section below:

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Gee, that's NOT TOO DIFFERENT from what I saw @ year start for 2006 here, now is it:

National Cyber Alert System: Cyber Security Bulletin 2005 year end/2006 start Summary:

http://www.us-cert.gov/cas/bulletins/SB2005.html

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And, as far as your thinking CIS TOOL is malware?

COMPUTERWORLD - CIS tool aims to help federal agencies check Windows security settings:

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?com mand=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9018362&intsrc=hm_ list

SANS - CIS to Release Windows Configuration Assessment Tool: (May 1, 2007)

http://www.sans.org/newsletters/newsbites/newsbite s.php?vol=9&issue=36#sID302

2 respected places seem to state otherwise (though you TRIED to lump this program into the SAME CATEGORY AS SQLSlammer? I would STRONGLY WAGER, that the Slammer worm was NEVER noted to be for purposes of helping you, HELP YOURSELF, & aid in securing your system... as CIS TOOL is/was, per the url's above).

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You stated these objections:

1.) This tool might be malware - I can only say, PROVE THEN THAT IT IS! (you *NIX guys, you're NOT "too big" on providing visible proofs are you? Judging by how many people have run from this multiplatform valid test of security here that are *NIX users (around 30 now)? That tends to PROVE that & "2nd my motion" on that account!)

2.) This program may send data out I am not aware of - but, you are (they record data for security purposes, most likely noting what areas are typically found WEAKEST ON THE MOST SYSTEMS, per the data they get from this test) first of all, & secondly? Just either:

a. Disconnect your router or PC from the net, yanking the cable IF

I have quite a few CD's purchased in the 80's that work just fine. It's the CD-R versions that degrade over just a few years, the commercially pressed ones last quite awhile. reference: http://computerworld.com/hardwaretopics/storage/st ory/0,10801,107607,00.html

Truth, @ last... my reply, per your statement which I will quote, ought to interest you:

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"Linux systems are only as secure as the admins who manage them. - by HerculesMO (693085) on Wednesday August 15, @11:04AM (#20236869)

I agree, 110% (alongside the fact that their producer/oem of said OS & wares MUST issue patches/hotfixes as needed that work too)... & by the way?

Tell THIS guy, SanityInAnarchy, an UBUNTU user, that, here:

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=264303&cid=202 35261

SanityInAnarchy refuses to use SeLinux in a layered security pattern above & beyond things I had to point him to for *NIX (chmod/chown/chroot) for MAC-ACL layered security over filesystems & userrights... as well as SeLinux providing SOCKETS LEVEL CONTROL, for layered security above & beyond IPTables usage, alone!

That's in regards to taking the multiplatform test of security, CIS TOOL:

http://www.cisecurity.org/bench.html

&, using the *NIX of his choice to beat my score of 84.735/100 on that test (proofs of most of the evasions from he (& others) I encountered is in the root of my replies there, parent to his posts, as well as my overcoming their objections):

http://img.techpowerup.org/070618/APK14SecurityPoi ntsCISToolResult84735.jpg

Fact is, I have challenged 30++ other *NIX users here @ /., & other LINUX sites, to that test as well (& NOT A ONE HAS EXCEEDED MY SCORE ON WINDOWS SERVER 2003 SP #2 fully hotfix patched).

They ALL ran, every *NIX user I challenged to this test... every time! SanityInAnarchy, is not alone, in that regard... Again - the proof of that, via 26 or so URL's from others here, is in the root of my replies to he, & my challenge to he & THEY as well, for a record of it.

All kinds of evasions were posted, each was overcome by myself using valid proofs &/or techniques mind you...

(Still - I would LIKE to see a *NIX user WITH A STRONG SECURITY BACKGROUND & SETUP TRY THIS LEGITIMATE MULTIPLATFORM SECURITY TEST!)

Preferably/specifically, an SeLinux bearing distro, like UBUNTU, or a FreeBSD user, with a "fully config'd right via layered security setup" (in place they are confident of, & have them Install CIS Tool, JAVA runtimes from SUN (latest for it))!

Then to see them post a valid unfaked photo of their score (yes, SanityInAnarchy said he could fake a photo, lol, believe it or not), & on that CIS TOOL multiplatform, legit/valid test of security...

CIS TOOL is noted as VALID/LEGITIMATE (vs. SanityInAnarchy's MAIN OBJECTION, that CIS TOOL could be "malware" etc., & IT IS ANYTHING BUT THAT, heck - it's "antimalware" if anything) per SANS &/or COMPUTERWORLD, no less:

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SANS NOTES CIS TOOL:

http://www.sans.org/newsletters/newsbites/newsbite s.php?vol=9&issue=36

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COMPUTER WORLD NOTES CIS TOOL and PURPOSE:

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?com mand=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9018362&intsrc=hm_ list

So much for SanityInAnarchy's argument this tool might be "malware", lol... it is ANYTHING BUT THAT - it tells you how to secure yourself & points out areas that may be weak!

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(Fact is - The admins of this system in THIS thread, which got 'hacked/cracked'? Ought to use it & learn SeLinux (which SanityInAnarchy was not aware of it being in UBUNTU first of all, but also he refuses t

What the hell are they going to do now, without this case to report on!?

Oh come on! There's the Microsoft-shilling-ISO problem to report on yet, Groklaw is in the thick of that! Don't forget who funded the SCO attack, Microsoft are not yet defeated, that was just one maneuvre. Meaning there's the end-game of Microsoft's patent FUD attack on GNU+Linux to report, might even be a court case in it too.

I think the site is well established, too many people like PJ's pithy analysis for Groklaw to disappear. Although I doubt your post was serious, it's still worth pointing out all the things the site could do in the weeks, months and years to come. :)

"This in today- People wanting a secure server use Ubuntu Dapper Drake instead of Fiesty Fawn" - by daskinil (991205) on Wednesday August 15, @08:55AM (#20235231)

Ok, this just in/"new NEWS":

See this url:

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=264303&thresho ld=1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=20159515

And download the multiplatform test of security by the CENTER FOR INTERNET SECURITY, noted by SANS + COMPUTERWORLD as a valid tool for benchmarking security on various *NIX derivant OS' (not all, no MacOS X or OpenBSD - noting a clear lack of development on them imo vs. other variants & yes, Win32) & Windows NT-based variants:

http://www.cisecurity.org/bench.html

& beat this score, obtained on a custom hardened-for-security build of Windows Server 2003 SP #2 fully hotfix patched (as of yesterday, "MS Patch Tuesday" & all):

84.735/100 score photo, obtained on Windows Server 2003 SP #2 fully hotfix patched:

http://img.techpowerup.org/070618/APK14SecurityPoi ntsCISToolResult84735.jpg

On the *NIX variant of YOUR CHOICE, & of "server-class build"... I would honestly like to see a photo of the score on THAT multiplatform CIS TOOL test for security, which has been noted by SANS + COMPUTERWORLD, here:

SANS NOTES CIS TOOL:

http://www.sans.org/newsletters/newsbites/newsbite s.php?vol=9&issue=36

&

COMPUTER WORLD NOTES CIS TOOL and PURPOSE:

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?com mand=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9018362&intsrc=hm_ list

As a legitmate program for the purposes of "shoring up" holes found by it on them!

APK

P.S.=> 30 *NIX people have outright evaded that test, & gee - "I wonder why"... I overcame each of their objections thru that thread, & those listed as well (27 of them prior to that url above)... no takers (though I suspect they tried, & their *NIX derivant OS could NOT surpass my score shown above)... & about *NIX vulnerabilities, vs. Windows ones (and, that apps that ride on them)?

National Cyber Alert System: Cyber Security Bulletin 2005 Summary:

http://www.us-cert.gov/cas/bulletins/SB2005.html

A quote from it:

"There were 5198 reported vulnerabilities: 812 Windows operating system vulnerabilities; 2328 Unix/Linux operating vulnerabilities; and 2058 Multiple operating system vulnerabilities."

Also, that URL & report show LINUX as having 3x as many security holes/vulnerabilities in it than Windows NT-based OS' have mind you (in year end 2005/beginning of 2006, between the OS & its apps riding on it), so, let's compare them on security & vulnerabilities on THAT note as well... apk

Answer these (quit the partial quoting too, you are using my quotes in partials only, not finishing them (you are WEAK & LAME because of that))

Oh noes! I'm weak and lame!

Everywhere I've quoted you, I've quoted either enough to get the spirit of what you said, or enough to demonstrate the fallacy of it.

Or would you rather I copy and paste the entire thing? The "parent" link is available to both of us. (Do you really think anyone else is reading this thread?)

1.) Didn't you ask me to show you an example of apps being able to use "privelege escalation, via impersonation analogs on *NIX & buffer overflows" to have an app escape a chroot jail

The specific example you cite is not relevant to my chroot jail. There is, in fact, no reason I can think of why I'd give your security tool access to my printer.

Yes, it is theoretically possible that a buffer overflow could be found. It's also possible that a flaw could be found in SELinux itself. Right now, there are no such known vulnerabilities in either SELinux or in the software which was available inside the chroot.

(You felt it could not be done, UNLESS done via the web... I am showing you differently, as per usual in this exchange!)

Quote me. I cannot remember saying that.

While you're at it, dig up one example of you showing me something that I did not know before. (SELinux in Ubuntu does not count, I discovered that on my own.)

2.) Didn't you state that your Ubuntu distro did not have SeLinux in place & later, you said it did???

Yes, I learned something. If you bring it up again, I'm going to simply not reply.

Learning something is a good thing, but from what I've seen in this thread, you're incapable of it.

Ha - YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THE CAPABILITIES & FEATURES OF THE LINUX DISTRO YOU USE!

If I knew every single feature of the software I use, I wouldn't be on Slashdot. I'd be single-handedly writing a new system, because I'd be a fucking genius. I'd be a god.

Here's one for you: Do you know that it's possible to run an NTFS filesystem with journalling disabled? GUESS YOU DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING THERE IS TO KNOW ABOUT WINDOWS!!!

Oh, by the way -- capslock is lame.

3.) Didn't you state what I stated about "race conditions" was false also?? Please - quote what I said, & show what is wrong with it, specifics... & GOOD LUCK (You will need it on that account).

You first. Where, specifically, did I say that what you said about race conditions was false?

"You keep saying that I "think it's malware" or I "said it's malware", which is not true. I said it could be malware."

Yes, I said that. You still haven't addressed it -- and you continue to construe my position as being that this tool is malware, which is not true.

It's a fine point, but a very important one, and it's infuriating that you keep getting it wrong.

So finally, for once, you've gotten it right:

4.) Didn't you state the multiplatform test of security CIS TOOL, by the center for internet security, might be 'malware'?

Yes. Emphasis on "might be".

Please look up agnosticism.

(Funny, SANS & COMPUTERWORLD showed otherwise - I trust them before I trust you, & I am certain others consider SANS especially more of an authority on security than yourself as well!)

Well, let's start with ComputerWorld. They are doing truly fair and balanced reporting. Nowhere in here is a recommendation. Most of those statements aren't even by ComputerWorld, they are quoting someone else -- like, say, the president

Does it matter WHEN you said it? You SAID IT!

LOL - first you didn't have SeLINUX in place, & then later, you did... sure looks like a contradiction to me, OR that you don't even know your distro's capabilities + init. setup either...

After all - YOU ASKED FOR WHERE YOU CONTRADICTED YOURSELF, didn't you, OR you said you never contradicted yourself, & yet? You clearly did!

NOW, above ALL else?

Didn't you TRY to evade taking CIS Tool as a test, period, saying it is "malware" etc., more-OR-less? Well, "new NEWS":

SANS & COMPUTERWORLD EVEN NOTE THE MULTIPLATFORM CIS TOOLS' USES FOR SECURITY!

(Reputable sources for security & computer stuff, wouldn't you say, as they are often referred to in /. articles?)

COMPUTERWORLD - CIS tool aims to help federal agencies check Windows security settings:

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?com mand=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9018362&intsrc=hm_ list

SANS - CIS to Release Windows Configuration Assessment Tool: (May 1, 2007)

http://www.sans.org/newsletters/newsbites/newsbite s.php?vol=9&issue=36#sID302

APK

P.S.=> Your initial argument is shot, it's NOT "rogueware/malware" of ANY kind apparently, yes?

And, hey: "More New NEWS" - Other folks from the *NIX world as shown as trying it, in a FreeBSD guy in my post parent to yours @ its termination as well!

( ... & all your other objections were overcome by tools present in the *NIX realm natively like chroot/chmod/chown which I pointed out no less)

Though, how WELL they work? Questionable, by ALL means now @ this point! NOT in favor of *NIX there, wouldn't you say?? An extremely penetrable defense...

(E.G./I.E.-> Chroot jails via impersonation methods in code don't sound that impervious, w/ out SeLinux in place as layered security over them (for BOTH sockets &/or filesystem control via MAC, which YOU refuse to run, & thus? You are NOT as secure as I'd like to see in a setup vs. my score on this multiplatform gauge of security, especially online today! I said it before here, early on, & I'll say it again - You're the wrong person for this job in this case because of that, mainly. I'd like to see a seriously hardened for security *NIX rig user, take this test, & to see a screenshot of their score))... apk

"I've always wondered how hard it would be to get a Slashdot reader to download and install a root-kit on their Linux box. Thanks to you, now I know it's not hard at all." - by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 12, @12:15PM (#20203457)

LOL, this evasion's (from another A/C, not myself mind you)?

"NOT TOO LEGIT"...

Especially in light of the fact, anyone can see below, that even SANS recognizes this test as legitimate & the organization who coded it as well:

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(QUOTING EXCERPT FROM MY LAST POST, THE PARENT TO YOU OWN):

MULTIPLATFORM ONLINE SECURITY TEST CIS TOOL (NOTED @ SANS: CIS to Release Windows Configuration Assessment Tool (May 1, 2007)):

http://www.sans.org/newsletters/newsbites/newsbite s.php?vol=9&issue=36#sID302

MULTIPLATFORM ONLINE SECURITY TEST CIS TOOL (NOTED @ COMPUTERWORLD):

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?com mand=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9018362&intsrc=hm_ list

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2 respected sources about computer information AND security, that are often cited here @ /., no less, where it is noted by both SANS & COMPUTERWORLD as legitimate, not "bushwhack ware":

APK

P.S.=> This "evasion attempt"? I have seen it before, & this is HOW I "overcame that objection"... honestly? TOO easy... if you can't beat the score that I obtain on a custom hardened Windows Server 2003 SP #2 setup system of 84.735/100 on the multiplatform CIS Tool test of online security, & on your part, provide photographic proof (jpg, bmp, etc. et al) of your score VS. mine, using YOUR *NIX OF CHOICE?

Well... "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!"... apk

"As long as they claim to have the most secure operating system ever: No." - kimvette (919543) on Saturday August 11, @03:27PM (#20197269)

Well, tell you what (like I have to 25 others here 25 times here before, & had nothing but evasions over from *NIX people (AND, in fact? I can post the list of url's for that IF you like also in any replies to you IF you reply back)):

DOWNLOAD THIS MULTIPLATFORM TEST OF ONLINE SECURITY (by the CENTER FOR INTERNET SECURITY):

http://www.cisecurity.org/bench.html

Install & run it on your *NIX rig, & post the score you get!

(Then, I'll post a screenshot of what I am able to "CUSTOM HARDEN" Windows Server 2003 SP #2 fully current hotfix patched to, as a comparison (AND, how I do it as well)).

Fair enough?

BY THE WAY? THIS TEST IS LEGIT, & EVEN NOTED BY SANS + COMPUTERWORLD, IN THE NEXT 2 URLS BELOW:

COMPUTERWORLD - CIS tool aims to help federal agencies check Windows security settings:

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?com mand=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9018362&intsrc=hm_ list

SANS - CIS to Release Windows Configuration Assessment Tool: (May 1, 2007)

http://www.sans.org/newsletters/newsbites/newsbite s.php?vol=9&issue=36#sID302

APK

P.S.=> Hey- it's true that benchmarks aren't "EVERYTHING", & it's more the 'man behind the wheel' (in configuring a system for PERFORMANCE, or SECURITY)!

HOWEVER? Benchmarks are the best initial comparisons we have (hence, why tools like benchmarks exist, period really)... apk

"However, it is completely ridiculous to ever run Windows on a server." - by pyite69 (463042) on Saturday August 11, @01:37PM (#20196457)

http://www.microsoft.com/sql/bigdata/default.mspx

There are HOW MANY COMPANIES running Microsoft Windows (of modern NT-based varieties today (2000/XP/Server 2003/VISTA) + SQLServer 2003 on that page, & doing so successfully mind you, that will tend to disagree with you?

Quite a lot!

Guys, I KNOW you guys "love your LINUX" here @ /., but - don't underestimate Windows used in servers, OR for security either!

Windows of modern builds based on NT (2000/XP/Server2003/VISTA)? They're VERY securable as well, above & beyond their default configuration "out-of-the-box/oem stock"...

Really easily as well, via 12 basic simple steps anyone can use (inclusive of Windows admins, & at the DESKTOP CLIENT NODE LEVELS as well as on the server), per this guide:

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?s=731 6c98c36e75835f964972f246c3eaf&p=375355#post375355

SCORE ON THE MULTIPLATFORM CIS TOOL (by the CENTER FOR INTERNET SECURITY) PHOTO:

http://img.techpowerup.org/070618/APK14SecurityPoi ntsCISToolResult84735.jpg

This multiplatform test runs on SOLARIS, BSD variants (sorry, no OpenBSD or MacOS X versions are available yet, but for example: FreeBSD has a version), Linux, & yes, Windows & has been noted by SANS & other notables/respectable sources, such as these:

COMPUTERWORLD:

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?com mand=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9018362&intsrc=hm_ list

SANS: CIS to Release Windows Configuration Assessment Tool (May 1, 2007)

http://www.sans.org/newsletters/newsbites/newsbite s.php?vol=9&issue=36#sID302

(That's there for folks that have tried to "object to this program" because they did not know who "THE CENTER FOR INTERNET SECURITY" is, & attempted to say this program is "rogueware" etc. such as in the URL below):

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=264303&thresho ld=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&pid=20176577#20185 057

The sad part is this - I have posted the challenge to take this test (especially from SeLINUX bearing distros & users of them, & BSD variant users like FreeBSD) here @ /., around 25 times now - NO TAKERS, but plenty of evaders & spinmasters trying to avoid taking it, for b.s. reasons (saying in others, vs. the URL above's reason, that "there is no registry in LINUX"... & so what? There are other areas in the *NIX family tree that DO (such as the /etc & its subnodes)).

APK

P.S.=> And, don't get me wrong: I like Linux, especially on KUbuntu 7.1, because I LIKE KDE!

(AND, with SeLinux in place + configured on it ontop of the usual methods for helping to secure Linux (chmod/chroot/chown legwork + IPTables (perhaps Packet Filtering built into Linux as well via IPChains oldschool methods (but they BOTH offer things over one another), & even NetConfig to create a "NAT" system too - plus more things I am learning about for security in LINUX that are pretty neat)!

I did that CIS Tool multiplatform test in the URL above

(yes, there's Linux, there's MacOS, but what company would switch?)

Ernie Ball
Wotif.com
Burlington Coat Factory
Peugeot

Just to name a few.

And of course IBM and Novell, but they don't count, as they are strong GNU/Linux players.

Of course, Siemens was a bit off in their prediction of 20% market share by 2008. But I'd say there's the chance we might make 20% some day.

"Adobe's CEO, calling Microsoft a '$50 billion monopolist,' has questioned whether Silverlight will be compatible with non-Windows operating systems..."

That Adobe "monopolist" quote is 4 months old. Did that quote really need to be dragged out again for this story?
(BTW, Adobe has some nerve calling someone else a "monopolist" when Adobe tried to collude with MS in price fixing to protect its own Office to PDF export monopoly (Adobe proposed that MS could include PDF export functionality in Office 2k7 if MS up'ed the price so as not to undercut Adobe's Office PDF-export tools.))

And Silverlight is already working on Macs, so the question of Silverlight being "compatilble with non-Windows operating systems" is more 4-month old FUD.

The submitter should've just gone with the story at hand, not dig up a 4-month old story about Adobe's fears of competing with Silverlight.

http://www.gridtoday.com/grid/354702.html
http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news/article.php/3 491491

WoW... 2 dead links: Proud of you, that one, lol... I can't reach them, so, how can you show me this "proof" of yours, vs. this (and your OLD stale data, that's older than mine, here):

I read the link you posted, FROM MARCH 21 2005, vs. the one I POSTED, from November 2005... lol! Mine's oh, what... 8 months more current than yours?

YOU'RE OUTTA DATE/STALE, buddy!

Here's more:

Hey, tomhudson (43916), some vintage quotes of yours:

"That is a total lie. Not for trades. Nasdeq has never used either Tandem computers or Windows boxes for trades. Ever. Those Tandem computers that were replaced with Windows boxes never handled trades." - by tomhudson (43916) on Monday August 06, @07:08PM (#20135985)

&

"The machines "disseminating the data" are not the same machines doing the trades. So yes, you ARE full of crap. Enjoy it." - by tomhudson (43916) on Monday August 06, @03:39PM (#20133501)

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Ok, you asked for it, here it is (others here CAN READ, you know, I'll let them judge (how's that))?

Securities: NASDAQ Migrates to SQL Server 2005:

"The system supports NASDAQs Market Data Dissemination System (MDDS). Every trade that is processed in the NASDAQ marketplace goes through MDDS, and MDDS keeps the official daily record of all trades. To support MDDS, SQL Server 2005 handles approximately 5,000 transactions per second at market open."

http://www.windowsfs.com/eNews/tabid/112/articleTy pe/ArticleView/articleId/933/Securities-NASDAQ-Mig rates-to-SQL-Server-2005.aspx

Dig this, bro, & dig it good:

EVERY TRADE pal, & its data... every trade goes THRU Windows Server 2003 & SQLServer 2005... you b.s. artist/"F.U.D." spreader, that had the sheer NERVE to call me names, & a shill above all else!

Also?

Note this part of it, too: "MDDS keeps the official daily record of all trades.", lol...

(Again - PROVE otherwise, to all of us reading here - you tried, but with STALE data, outdated stuff below!)

Hmmm, I see now, why you have TROLL in your signature here: YOU CAN'T HANDLE TRUTH, even if proven from reliable/reputable sources!

Read on, McDuff (proof of it is earlier & BELOW, verbatim, from one of the architects (Ken Richmond) of the system, AND that ALL DATA for trades passes thru MDDS, & from reputable sources no less):

First of all: NOTICE THE DATE OF YOUR initial "PROOF" (it is less current than mine was, which disputes AND disproves yours):

LOL!

The quote I cite below, is From RIGHT here (& FAR MORE CURRENT THAN YOUR MARCH 21st 2005 dated data, as this is from NOVEMBER 2005):

http://www.computerworld.com/databasetopics/data/s oftware/story/0,10801,106050,00.html

"Nasdaq replaced aging Tandem mainframes used to disseminate market trade data with a SQL Server 2005 system that handles 5,000 transactions per second and 100,000 queries a day and can scale up to 8 million new rows of data per day, according to Ken Richmond, vice president of engineering for the stock exchange."

Now, take a peek @ this above again ESPECIALLY ITS DATE, vs. your "proof" again, mine @ Nov2005, vs. yours @ Mar2005 (stale/old), also, because it further disproves your reply in an attempt to debate the above (your saying every trade did not go thru MDDS etc. in essence?)? Now if you are dyslexic? That is excusable... otherwise it is NOT!

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Your ideas

Hey, tomhudson (43916), some vintage quotes of yours:

"That is a total lie. Not for trades. Nasdeq has never used either Tandem computers or Windows boxes for trades. Ever. Those Tandem computers that were replaced with Windows boxes never handled trades." - by tomhudson (43916) on Monday August 06, @07:08PM (#20135985)

&

"The machines "disseminating the data" are not the same machines doing the trades. So yes, you ARE full of crap. Enjoy it." - by tomhudson (43916) on Monday August 06, @03:39PM (#20133501)

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Ok, you asked for it, here it is (others here CAN READ, you know, I'll let them judge (how's that))?

Securities: NASDAQ Migrates to SQL Server 2005:

"The system supports NASDAQs Market Data Dissemination System (MDDS). Every trade that is processed in the NASDAQ marketplace goes through MDDS, and MDDS keeps the official daily record of all trades. To support MDDS, SQL Server 2005 handles approximately 5,000 transactions per second at market open."

http://www.windowsfs.com/eNews/tabid/112/articleTy pe/ArticleView/articleId/933/Securities-NASDAQ-Mig rates-to-SQL-Server-2005.aspx

Dig this, bro, & dig it good:

EVERY TRADE pal, & its data... every trade goes THRU Windows Server 2003 & SQLServer 2005... you b.s. artist/"F.U.D." spreader, that had the sheer NERVE to call me names, & a shill above all else!

(Again - PROVE otherwise, to all of us reading here - you tried, but with STALE data, outdated stuff!)

Hmmm, I see now, why you have TROLL in your signature here: YOU CAN'T HANDLE TRUTH, even if proven from reliable/reputable sources!

Read on, McDuff (proof of it is above, verbatim, from one of the architects of the system, AND that ALL DATA for trades passes thru MDDS, & from reputable sources no less):

First of all: NOTICE THE DATE OF YOUR initial "PROOF" (it is less current than mine was, which disputes AND disproves yours):

The quote I cite below, is From RIGHT here (& FAR MORE CURRENT THAN YOUR MARCH 21st 2005 dated data, as this is from NOVEMBER 2005):

http://www.computerworld.com/databasetopics/data/s oftware/story/0,10801,106050,00.html

"Nasdaq replaced aging Tandem mainframes used to disseminate market trade data with a SQL Server 2005 system that handles 5,000 transactions per second and 100,000 queries a day and can scale up to 8 million new rows of data per day, according to Ken Richmond, vice president of engineering for the stock exchange."

Now, take a peek @ this, also, because it further disproves your reply in an attempt to debate the above (your saying every trade did not go thru MDDS etc. in essence?)? Now if you are dyslexic? That is excusable... otherwise it is NOT!

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Man, tomhudson (43916)... & I have to tell you this, you upset the hell out of me, with your flaming name-tossing b.s. directed my way, your posting your b.s. 2x here in this thread, & above all else?

YOU lowered me to YOUR level @ times here - the ONLY accomplishment you managed!

Your ideas of what runs things too in systems like that (front ends only from your perspective & how I understood your reply)?

WELL, apparently from what I read from you (YOU, as an admitted "maintenance coder" apparently from what you literally stated? Well, I design/write OR co-write, that level of application & have for 15++ years as a pro, per my other reply to you here, of "Enterprise Class level" apps like this, for many Fortune 100-500 companies no less, for "mission critical apps" of this nature)?

WAY, way, off... per the further proofs I am submitting here on this note.

APK

P.S.=> Anyhow, I

"I'd just like to point out that I wasn't trying to 'debunk' the whole Windows thing - just saying, that its a measure of how you judge it. 5 9s for what is all I was saying. its just a marketing gimmick thought up by someone to sell their product." - by gallwapa (909389) on Monday August 06, @02:57PM (#20132945)

FAIR ENOUGH & fair reply...

However, on "Five 9's"/99.999% uptime - It's not just some 'marketing gimmick': & the phrase, 5 nines didn't originate with Microsoft...

(It's a pretty "std. gauge"/phrase, associated with stability (uptime), & yes, security!)

APK

P.S.=> Besides, it's NOT you I am 'after' here, it is Tomhudson, for his typical /. name tossing flaming here:

http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=261525&t hreshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=20132739

The stupid fool tried to even post his BS twice, to try bury his outright crap (and, piss poor understanding of HOW modern relational database systems are designed, where he tries to say the front ends do the actual work, when its the backend DB engines that do, in this case, SQLServer powering NASDAQ, taking strings of queries from front ends, & then returning recordset row data to those front ends, ONLY):

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=261525&thresho ld=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=20134229

LOL, but tomhudson (43916)'s data? Per this??

http://www.computerworld.com/databasetopics/data/s oftware/story/0,10801,106050,00.html

"Nasdaq replaced aging Tandem mainframes used to disseminate market trade data with a SQL Server 2005 system that handles 5,000 transactions per second and 100,000 queries a day and can scale up to 8 million new rows of data per day, according to Ken Richmond, vice president of engineering for the stock exchange."

Man... He's WAY outta date on the software the DOES THE ACTUAL work (SQLServer on Windows), & WRONG, even his replies on the front end's roles in data processing today, vs. that of the back end industrial strength stable engines in DB servers like SQLServer 2005 (or IBM DB/2, Oracle, etc. & I've worked them ALL)...

Current data AND DB DESIGN for stability/uptime & security (as well as MULTIUSER speed), matters... not "40 years ago data + design techniques"!

(Techniques that failed a LOT in letting the front end program on a CLIENT node PC do the work, whereas today, as you can see? SQLServer 2005 + Windows Server 2003 do NOT & LET SERVERS HANDLE IT FOR STABILITY (actual data processing), & provide the 5 9's of uptime @ 99.999%), lol... apk

"Bullshit astroturfing." - by tomhudson (43916) on Monday August 06, @09:27AM (#20129253)

Ok... read this (and, you had the NERVE to say in your topic that I am "full of shit"? ROTFLMAO!):

The quote I cite below, is From RIGHT here (& FAR MORE CURRENT THAN YOUR MARCH 21st 2005 dated data, as this is from NOVEMBER 2005):

http://www.computerworld.com/databasetopics/data/s oftware/story/0,10801,106050,00.html

"Nasdaq replaced aging Tandem mainframes used to disseminate market trade data with a SQL Server 2005 system that handles 5,000 transactions per second and 100,000 queries a day and can scale up to 8 million new rows of data per day, according to Ken Richmond, vice president of engineering for the stock exchange."

(LOL - who's "FULL OF SHIT", now, "Tommy Boy"? )

ROTFLMAO! Hey "Pro-*NIX/Anti-Microsoft F.U.D. spreader": HOW DOES EATING YOUR OWN WORDS, taste?

(There is the taste of victory which I enjoy, & you? THE BITTER TASTE OF DEFEAT!)

Tommy-Boy - You've made me laugh, w/ your name-tossing (along with other /.'ers name calling, down mods of my posts, evasions of security tests I posted that show Windows as more secure than any PC NIX here -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=260975&cid= 20109707 , use of profanities directed my way, & "spelling + grammar checks" (those with no PhD's in English mind you) but, this makes me just laugh, read on)!

Ah, lol... Dave Mustaine & MegaDeath said it best, for me:

"A tout le monde (To everybody) - A tout mes amis (To all my friends) - Je dois partir (I must leave) -
These are the last words - I'll ever speak - And they'll set me free"

Free, of the b.s. "proof" you posted, which is WAY outta date!

Free, of the b.s. 'downmods' I have gotten in this reply of mine, despite facts I post which are indisputable!

Free, of the typically defeated's online "spelling & grammar checks", you guys with NO PhD in English often try... & fail on, because you understood my points via the context in which they were used - VERY cheap, & WEAK!

ALL, VS. YOUR "FREE" OS (look @ the backend costs of supporting it, & retraining, as well as bugginess supporting Win32 wares, the MOST used on the planet which you ALL have to deal with because most folks & companies use them? Well, think again on THAT point too), & the FUD campaigns you try to spin using it, vs. Windows...

(Listen to that tune sometime, "tommy boy", because YOU NEED IT, bigmouth & PLEASE - quit misinforming others with OUT OF DATE, 1982-2005 "data proofs", or you will make THEM look stupid, as you NOW do, for name calling!)

Your doing what Mr. Mustaine said in another tune of his "Dance like a marionette - swaying to the symphony (of destruction)"... lol!

If you can't HANDLE the truth? Don't read it... above all else!

APK

P.S.=> I won't SAY something, unless I am dead up sure it's right, & from a valid source + CURRENT data!

(That is, unless I can prove it myself with facts others can test, like the URL below regarding Windows security vs. that of ANY PC *NIX):

http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=260975&cid= 20109707

Ahhh, like usual? ... TOO easy!

When you "Pro-*NIX" people stop posting outright FUD? I'll stop making you look foolish... minus your use of profanities, and outdated B.S.! lol...

AND "TOMMY BOY"? THIS IS NOT THE FRONT END, it's what does the ACTUAL DP work: SQLServer 2005 running on Windows Server 2003 + SQLServer 2005... chump? On THAT note of yours (piss poor reply, and WRONG as hell, lol)??

"Your point is valid" - by HNS-I (1119771) on Monday August 06, @02:34AM (#20127593)

I know it is... I wouldn't put up "F.U.D." & OUTRIGHT misinformation (like the constant propoganda stream I see here @ /., vs. Windows), if my facts are NOT straight, AND current as possible.

See here, for that (a LOT more than SQLServer @ NASDAQ too):

Specifically, this one, for THIS topic & a quote from it:

http://www.computerworld.com/databasetopics/data/s oftware/story/0,10801,106050,00.html

"Nasdaq replaced aging Tandem mainframes used to disseminate market trade data with a SQL Server 2005 system that handles 5,000 transactions per second and 100,000 queries a day and can scale up to 8 million new rows of data per day, according to Ken Richmond, vice president of engineering for the stock exchange."

This is NOT the front end (merely a messenger, holder of return recordset data, but the actual processing of SQL queries handed to the back end data engine (SQLServer 2005) for 99.999% uptime & stability, with NO security holes found to date in it (SQLServer 2005, this version specifically), see SECUNIA.COM for that in fact... I don't say things, unless I HAVE BACKUP from a reputable source, or proof of my own)... this design type? It's widely recognized as the RIGHT way to do this nature of work, for stability, uptime, & Yes, security!

How do I know this stuff?

Well, it's what I do for a living & for the past 15++ years now, as a pro in this field, is how...

LOL, now... care to dispute that? Others have, & look STUPID now:

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=261525&cid=201 29253

GRANTED: MOSTLY? You were FAR more reasonable AND generally, rational, than others here, but "Tommy Boy" there from that URL above?

LOL:

"Dance like marionettes: SWAYING TO THE SYMPHONY (of DESTRUCTION!)"... Dave Mustaine & MegaDeath.

"stop making such annoying posts. They look like they are written by a nInEyeaRoLd and the last one is redundant." - by HNS-I (1119771) on Monday August 06, @02:34AM (#20127593)

What is ANNOYING to you, is, that I am CORRECT!

Redundancy APPARENTLY, is required though (just like it is in high TPM environs, for safety, along with other measures) - to pound facts & TRUTH into your blindly devoted, overly zealous, "Pro-*NIX" skulls here @ /.: HOME OF "ANTI-WINDOWS" F.U.D.!

Yup: &, your reaction?

It's VERY TYPICAL, here @ /., the home of the "Pro-*NIX" anti-MS propoganda smear campaigners online - that is, until you get hit by actual facts (or tests head-to-head vs. Windows, such as this one -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=260975&cid= 20109707 )!

LOL, & Your CONSTANT resorting to attempts @ 'grammar/spellchecks', lol, the last resort of the defeated online - seems you can read my words, & comprehend them just fine, so... why the 'critique' of my spelling/grammar?

(BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOTHING ELSE, and I KNOW IT!)

LOL!

APK

P.S.=> Above ALL else, & BY the way? Care to show me your PhD in English?? Ah, don't have one, DO you??? It seems you understood my words easily enough though, by the context wherein which they were used... though, you found them TOUGH to swallow & difficult to digest, because they "upset" your sensibilities, & misinformed minds, pre-programmed w/ SLASHDOT's anti-MS fud, no doubt...

That is ALL I can draw from your replies here on this, vs. my facts! apk

Go here for those who hates multiple pages. ;)

Bah... Got PROOF? AND, more importantly, your reaction... lol!

I want CURRENT PROOF!

UNLIKE YOUR B.S. earlier, which is WAY outta date???

(GOT any? Nope, I don't SEE it!)

Say what you will, vs. this:

http://www.computerworld.com/databasetopics/data/s oftware/story/0,10801,106050,00.html

"Nasdaq replaced aging Tandem mainframes used to disseminate market trade data with a SQL Server 2005 system that handles 5,000 transactions per second and 100,000 queries a day and can scale up to 8 million new rows of data per day, according to Ken Richmond, vice president of engineering for the stock exchange."

From one of their own MAJOR people, Ken Richmond.

So... Let's see proof, CURRENT proof, of YOUR statements, ok?

First off, this IS what I do for a living for a LONG time now, & here is HOW a well designed system today for this, works:

The DB engines from MS, run it pal... THE hard part, for stability, via stored proc return recordset data.

(& the front-ends? ARE ONLY just that (I have been in this field doing that type of development for over 15 years now as a pro, & can tell you this much for SURE - front ends? ARE JUST THAT - the processing is done on backend servers (MS ones no less) on MS db engines, handing off SQL Queries to those industrial database engines, letting THEM process it (the bulk of the work), & sending back an answer... this IS all!))

"BTW - speaking of Microsoft shilling - How's it feel having Dan Lying Lyons of Forbes outed as the Fake Steve Jobs?" -

GOOD QUESTION, here is my answer (from having been thru it):

http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=261749&c id=20133469

(vs. more /.'s, Phd's known in this field, & arstechnicans who are members here no less, caught impersonating myself, & worse)

Talk, talk, talk... talk's CHEAP, buddy. Proof, is what people want to see... prove it!

APK

P.S.=> Those DB engines ARE WHAT SUPPORTS THE TRANSACTIONS & UPTIME, fool, even IF you could show that some other front end displays it (which we'd like CURRENT proof of, not your outdated horse maneur, which I proved is JUST THAT)... who are you trying to kid??

AND? I WANT PROOF (not that it matters... the backend handle the HARD part: AN MS BACK END using Windows Server 2003 & SQLServer 2005, chump)... apk

"AIX has a free download somewhere? Where??"

Read about it from IBM themeselves: http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/218 54.wss

More info here http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?com mand=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=servers&article Id=9026901&taxonomyId=155&intsrc=kc_top

The AIX Beta program is now open to everyone, not just "by invitation."

The downlaod page is here: http://www14.software.ibm.com/webapp/download/sear ch.jsp?pn=AIX

AIX 6 Open Beta 6.0 Beta 09 Jul 2007 15.2MB AIX

AIX 6 is the next release of IBM's UNIX OS. This beta includes new capabilities for virtualization, security, availability and will run on IBM POWER4 and later systems.

There you go ...