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To be fair, the ticks could have tagged along on the animals just fine. And stagnant water on the deck or in storage could have harbored plenty of mosquito larvae.

What a global flood has to do with the meteor extinction event, I don't know. I know people like to inject off-topic jabs at religion every time dinosaurs are mentioned, but it's tired and not even funny here.

Oddly enough, the post that started this off topic foray is now marked +4 Funny.

As for relevance, a global flood would be another form of extinction event. Regardless, at one point most adherents thought of it as allegory until the relatively recent literal interpretation folks demanded that it was literal.

I suspect a possibility of the Mediterranean sea flooding event such as one that happened around 7600 years ago, with the concurrent attributions as a punishment from the Abrahamic deity. http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo...

Similar floods have been mentioned in the Epic of Gilgamesh, or perhaps Epic of Atrahasis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

And at the time, when the People of the middle east were not spread out over the entire world, it might have seemed like a flood that covered the entire world, or perhaps just grew in the telling.

But to answer your question of why people take those digs, it is because of just how preposterous the claims are for the literal Noachian flood.

And since this place claims to be science http://creationmuseum.org/ it is fair game. Especiallly skin they claim the science of humans and dinosaurs co-existing.

Why isn't there a designated place for bullshit like this?

There is: http://creationmuseum.org/

That musta been you I saw at the Flintstones Museum

The child understood that dinosaurs don't exist anymore. It's not clear that the police were operating from the same viewpoint.

Stupid sinkhole attacked the wrong museum in Kentucky.

Actually the Bible doesn't define a 6,000 year old universe.

Tell that to the fundies who go to amusement parks.

...just as the Bible indicates.

Of course it did. And all myths indicate a beginning. That's we humans conceptualize time.

I don't know what your beliefs are or what your game is, but I have a lot of beliefs myself - some that run contrary to scientific evidence, but you know what? I make an effort to look at the evidence and challenge my beliefs.

And keep in mind, the Bible was writtien well before modern science existed. Well before the Arabs developed modern mathematics. Just maybe - maybe - those stone aged peoples expressed their perception of God with the primitive concepts available to them. I also wonder why God made His presence known then and not now. Why aren't present day Sodom and Gormorahs (Las Vegas is my choice) being wiped out by God? Where's the saviour? - Well I'd argue that the Rev. Martin Luther King,Jr. was the second coming.

we humans have a tendancy to anthropomorphize everything and if we couldn't understand the physcial laws of the Universe, wouldn't it be natural to do so with those?

And for those who think snicker at that comment, what makes you think that all these physical laws with their uncanny regulaarity and systemic perfection aren't in themselves some intelligence? We may be here by chance, but who loaded the dice? Multiverses may be just getting the deck loaded right.

If you want creationism in science, Then give us something we can test and verify to prove it.

Monsanto!

However, that's Semi-Intelligent Design, or better yet, Semi-Intelligent Tinkering.

Well, if something goes badly wrong, then it's Dumbass Design. Now there's a museum of the future to compete with http://creationmuseum.org/

No. Facts are facts.

Otherwise, go visit:
http://creationmuseum.org/

After the trolling of this horrible place.

I soo bad want to troll that place. That museum is a living testimony as to what happens when a kid fails science and replaces it with misinterpretations.

People gotta eat.

Kids gotta learn.

After the trolling of this horrible place. The thing to do, will be to visit DC and try to sit in on Congress's science committee, trolling any members like the idiot that feels, evolution is a lie straight from the pit of hell.

Congressional Ass-hat-ery at some of it's finest

"The odd thing is that she's not religious, it's just what her archaeologist grandfather taught her." ...so it sounds like she's just repeating what she was told as a child.. not the church or religion. I don't see a problem correcting someone who was misinformed.

"crushing her childhood dreams" ...just tell her she mis-remembered (she was a kid afterall). It wasn't dinosaurs.. it was another (now-extinct) animal that actually did exist the at the same time as ancient humans (we hunted them, so of course there were footprints)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woolly_mammoth

The woolly mammoth coexisted with early humans, who used its bones and tusks for making art, tools, and dwellings. It is thought much of this material was scavenged, but the species was also hunted for food. It disappeared from its mainland range at the end of the Pleistocene 10,000 years ago, most likely through a combination of climate change, consequent disappearance of its habitat, and hunting by humans, though the significance of these factors is disputed.

or just point her at this: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy.html (beware: it does mention creationism... you don't want to accuse her of being that)... basically it says the "mantracks" are actually those of a 3-toed dino, but the toe part eroded leaving what looks like feet.

whatever you, make sure you block this at your proxy http://creationmuseum.org/

It's sad that things are so stupid in the US right now that I can't tell if this story is fake or not.

Sadly, science museums have devolved into environmentalism and global warming preaching which by comparison is about as much fun as watching the organic, free-range, fair-trade grass grow.

Damn liberal scientists, always trying to save the world. Better to send your kids to a good conservative museum.

Uh...I will agree to an extent that the rest of the world is pretty much on board with the evolution theory.....but here in the heartland of the good ol' United States of America, there is a rather large group of these "wacky" people who have taken their beliefs to an extreme. Have you missed the Creation Museum?

But... but.. they did exist. we put saddles on them and rode them like horses... http://creationmuseum.org/

...not to be confused with the museum of intelligently designed organisms in Kentucky, the Creation Museum!

This is the state with the creationist museum. I can seen them doing it... period.

Here is something on that creation museum page I posted that scares the hell out of me: "You'll also uncover the truth about antibiotic resistant bacteria."

I would probably back off and go away. Experiences like you state freak me out especially when they take these kinds of place way too seriously from the way you say it.

A couple of visits to their Plane'arium might change your mind:

http://creationmuseum.org/whats-here/exhibits/planetarium/

"Even if you've been to the planetarium before, come join us again and see the universe in a whole new light."

Awesome. I noticed they feature a Noah's Ark exhibit. Of all the crazy Old Testament stories to hang your pseudo-scientific hat on, are you sure that the ship that carried two of each of the millions of known species that currently exists (since, you know, evolution isn't true) is the one you're gonna pick?

Nope, this is what you were talking about. Though in all fairness both could be called the nonsense museum and it would fit.

Basically no evangelicals are really young-Earth types. How do I know? Because they don't put their money where their mouths are.

Is $27 million enough?

I guess the student has never been to the Creation Museum http://creationmuseum.org/ if you take the Virtual Tour one of the first things you see is Raptor(?) and a man sitting together.

Christians and Catholics are not the same religion. Christians believe astrology is an abomination Catholics invented a religion

You obviously didn't read the wiki article on Christianity and astrology. It was the Catholic church who persecuted those who believed in astrology, not the other way around. Not your version, are you letting your hatred of Catholics show? That would explain your not reading, or totally ignoring, the wiki article.

Catholics invented a religion that incorporated all of their pagan beliefs under the guise of Christianity because Christianity was becoming a popular religion and Emperor Constantine was try to stay ahead of the game.

You don 't know much about history either, or you're making things up. Constantine only changed his beliefs after he had a dream in which a Christian figure told him his troops would be victorious in a battle with the Eastern Orthodox Church. When they won he became a believer. Now whether it was a real change of heart or was politically motivated I don't know. And neither do you.

Also where do you get this 4000 years?

Do you really not know there are Young earthers? Okay some believe it's 6000 years old. We've even had threads here on slashdot about Christian museums saying dinosaurs and humans lived together. And those are not Catholics. At least before he died Pope John Paul II said "God" created the universe with the Big Bang and that life evolved. Those Creationist Young Earthers you don't know about, unless you're lying, criticized the Pope over that. Like you they showed their hatred.

Falcon

What the Catholic church did for geocentrism in the Renaissance, the mega churches and funny-mental Christians are now doing for intelligent design. With all of our problems at hand I wish I lived in a nation that was mature enough to focus on important tasks and not obsess on homosexuality and evolution. Sadly, some children will visit the http://creationmuseum.org/ "Children play and dinosaurs roam near Eden's Rivers" (I swear, I'm not making that up) and have their beliefs reinforced as fact. Seriously! Creation, like Santa, should not be taken seriously as an explanation for how things have come to be.

Here's the thing - we're all gonna die in the end, so all these fights against proprietary formats won't mean jack.

In that case, so is replying. Yet you seem to care enough about justifying your position (perhaps to yourself) to reply, so don't give me this nihilistic bullshit.

In life we pick the battles we can fight. These are potentially important issues, but basically given you're effectively saying about 90% of people are part of the "problem", I don't give a fuck anymore.

When 90% of the people are part of the problem is when I absolutely do care.

Take another battle I've picked: Religion. There's a small minority which does some really crazy shit. And they get away with it in the name of "religious tolerange", because a majority of the world believes enough crazy shit of their own that it takes a lot to make us as a culture say, no, you can't let your child die because you'd rather fucking pray than get help.

Easily 80-90% of the US population is religious, which makes it a safe bet that you are, too -- probably also Christian, probably believe faith is a virtue. If so, merely by supporting the idea that faith is a virtue, you are encouraging yourself and those around you to turn off their critical thinking and skepticism when the situation calls for it. That kind of thinking leads to atrocities. Never mind that merely by calling yourself "Christian", you lend credibility to these fuckwits.

Am I going to win? Not really. I do hope to reinforce separation of church and state, to promote actual science education instead of "Intelligent Design", and to establish some basic rights the religious would deny, like the right to marry. I'd love to see people tolerate less of the extremists. I really doubt I'm going to see the religious become a minority in my lifetime.

But you know what? I'd like to think that when I'm lying on my deathbed, I lived for things that matter. I'd like to think that I'd still be the kind of person who would be ashamed to think I gave up because it was too hard, or because there were too many people who disagreed with me.

Life shouldn't have to be some damn crusade.

You're right, it shouldn't. But this is the world we live in, and there are some issues which tend towards exactly that -- either you're a good little worker propping up the status quo, or you're actually helping to move things forward.

And life should be meaningful -- and it's up to you to find that meaning. Maybe you honestly don't care, but that's not what I'm hearing. What I'm hearing is that you do care, you're just too lazy to do anything about it anymore.

Yet somehow, you're not too lazy to post, and to try to justify how much you don't care. That says a lot.

How could this possibly work? Farmers ship millions of tons of foodstuffs every year, unless they're spreading an equal volume of human excrement on their fields they'd be farming in pit mines after a few decades. That doesn't even begin to address that the soil that plants actually grow in is only a matter of inches deep in many locations, or the fact that you can grow plants in water more efficiently than in soil. So yeah, I'd say we're missing some basic logic tools if biology majors can't think that one through.

As if the existence of "The Tea Party" and The Creation Museum were not evidence enough for you? Seriously, basic critical thinking skills have been scarce for some time, it's not just the students in freshman college biology courses. So it seems obvious then, that the problem is far more fundamental than how we teach science in high school No?

A bit off-topic, but what's homeschooling got to do with anything? It was the **public** school board in Kansas that decided creationism was as scientifically valid as... science, not the Kansas coalition of homeschoolers

Yeah, the homeschoolers are the ones who think that the Kansas public school board hasn't gone far enough.

Frankly, with the shape the public school system is in these days it's hard for me to imagine any alternative doing worse.

http://creationmuseum.org/
http://blogs.answersingenesis.org/blogs/creation-museum/2010/12/04/uncover-true-history/

Hell, we may as well save the country some money, disband the public school system and let the kiddies learn by sitting them in front of the TV.

Intro to science: 2012!
Intro to forensics: CSI.
Basic psychology: Fraser.
Sex-ed: Sex in the City.

I dunno, but I think the homeschoolers might have a problem with that. Jesus never said anything about TV's being ok.

Talk about confusion! Dinosaurs walking with people, Noah's Ark, a walk through Biblical History...I can't figure out WHO is telling the truth! http://creationmuseum.org/whats-here/exhibits/

After growing up watching the Flintstones, Gilligan's Island, and playing my records backwards I know how you feel.

Talk about confusion! Dinosaurs walking with people, Noah's Ark, a walk through Biblical History...I can't figure out WHO is telling the truth! http://creationmuseum.org/whats-here/exhibits/

They merely purged the heretics.

Well, of course. That's how closed-loop political tribes roll. See, also, too, the American Lysenkoists.

it is a great day for economic development in DC and Maryland, who is going to locate a scientific research institution or bio-technology business in Virginia with this going on?

I know many Christians who will be happy to fund a new Creation Museum in Virginia, which will be the cornerstone of scientific research into Intelligent Design. With some lobbying by Dick Cheney or George W. Bush I'm sure we could get the oil companies to provide climate change funding that wouldn't be biased by environmentalist concerns.

We might even get the Scientologists interested in setting up a Dianetics institute in Virginia. Virginia could also lobby for the Raëlians to set up research facilities to study human cloning. Virginia shouldn't be viewed as a threat to science, but as an opportunity for enlightenment.

http://creationmuseum.org/
...and it has not been laughed out of existence. 'Nuff said.

Did your preacher tell you that google is evil?

While I'm on the subject of total and utter cunts, are these cousin fucking creatins(tm) giving out modpoints with every inbred special family ticket?

I think you got those from this respectable museum, right?

Oh if only they weren't so stubborn. Things like this and this wouldn't exist.

They've gotten over protesting dinosaurs, and have now decided that they're obviously evidence for creationism.

Evolution is a theory.

You know what's a riot about the conflict between evolution and intelligent design? If you got to the creationism museum sometime, and have the intestinal fortitude to actually read through their description of the past 6000 years, you'll come across a very interesting bit.

Since it is quite obvious that all the diversity of life could not have fit on Noah's Ark, they are required to explain the upwards of 2 million different species we see around us. Their explanation? Speciation through natural selection. I'm serious. They don't call it evolution and they hand wave some of the details, but they basically say that evolution took place after Noah's Ark (in only a few thousand years!!!) to explain the contradiction between the size of the ark and the diversity of life on earth.

It's insanity, I tell you. Insanity.

Yep, it's a theory. A very good one that explains a whole lot. Just as solid a theory as anything else you mentioned. And we've observed evolution: just check out antibiotic resistant bacteria. No evolutionary biologist was surprised at what happened there, though everyone else was. Evolution predicted exactly that outcome. Why do you think?

Cheers.

Clearly this is bad information, because the morons at http://www.answersingenesis.org/ and their 27 million dollar monument to ignorance (http://www.creationmuseum.org/) say the Earth is only a few thousand years old, and surely the universe can't be that much older than the Earth.

"like the portknocking idea. But, you are wrong -- it is obscure. In this case, either exhaustive, manual search or a tool (in this case a port scanner) is required to find the port. By definition, because it is more difficult to find, it is obscure. And, my server logs reflect the effect."

It's not a matter of being right or wrong. A port scan is very easy to do and if the port is open it will show. With port knocking, it will be much more difficult to find out because all the ports are closed, and will only open upon the correct knock sequence. It is very easy to automate the former, much harder with the later. It all depends on the effort you are willing to put up with to increase your attacker "cost" of access; but once access is gained, the service running on that port is as vulnerable in all cases.

"Which one, mathematically speaking, requires more faith?"

For me is not a question of faith but of reason. I do not question peoples' faith, I question the use of faith to justify questionable, from my point of view, facts which can be currently explained by science (or not). And I do not think science is infallible, DDT being a very good example, because science is done by people and people are not infallible.

The probabilities for the occurrence of life are small, but over billions of years the possibility of chemical compounds, with increasing complexity, becoming organized as simple single cell organisms, with increasing complexity, becoming organized as multi cellular organisms, and so on, is more plausible to me than the fully formed beings populating earth a few thousands of years ago, mixing dinosaurs and humans together (http://www.creationmuseum.org/).

Everyone knows that the earth is only 6000 years old, as evidenced here They even have models of Eve with vegetarian Raptors. See. I do not understand why anyone pays any attention to these activist scientists. Duh...

I didn't know about this museum; here is an article about it. And here is the museum.... creepy.

where did you get your data? the creation museum?

the fact is that there is a probability, regardless how small, that the conditions can exist to support life. given the vast amount of matter and energy, the conditions will be right somewhere (and perhaps even elsewhere).

what happens when a sub-atomic particle isn't exactly 1836 times more massive than an electron? atoms don't form, and you are left with quarks, photons, gluons and all the other amazing little bits of matter that are being discovered.

scientists have also determined fossils to be 65,000,000 years old through carbon dating. scientists have also found animals 10,000 years old frozen in glaciers. there is much stronger evidence supporting the earth to be 4 billion years old than there is supporting a 6000 year old earth.

the sea is not saturated with minerals because earth is not static. minerals recycle themselves much the same was as water. only instead of evaporation and rain, we have them depositing on beaches or the ocean floor, or they enter the ground at underwater fault lines to be churned in the molten core before reaching the surface some where and when else.

the problem with the ID standpoint is proponents of ID have a preconcieved notion of what they are looking for. they believe in ID, so they look for evidence to support it; or, look at evidence in a way that could support it. evolution theory was not formed by this approach. it is the result of unbiased analysis of evidence, it is a damn good explaination of why we see such evidence.

You, sir, are condemned to Hell. We don't discuss things like that. For more information, we invite you to our museum...

Or confirm it.

How would it do that? I'm thinking you'd have to stretch things quite a bit to make the Christian Bible fit into a world with little green Tau-Cetites. I don't have any proof mind you, just a hunch.

I am not afraid, why are you?

A perfect example of what I'm talking about. In my experience, this is the kind of logic you get from people of faith. You read my post and this is your comment upon it. It's as if your critical thinking faculties are shut down. You didn't see the words, or take anything from their meaning - you applied your vision to it. I said something negative about people of faith, therefore you must say something bad back. Even if you have to ignore what's under your nose and make it up. What I actually did write was this:

"I'd like to meet them if they're around. I've got nothing to lose, it wouldn't change my world views by very much at all."

How does that translate to fear? Sounds like cheerful optimism to me.

Don't worry, it's a rhetorical question - I don't expect you to have a cogent response.

The investors' info probably looks a lot like those that gave money for the Creation Museum. There's a lot more money than intelligence out there.

"Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death." Exodus 31:14~15 and Exodus 35:2

Also, God rested on the seventh day and established His sabbath for mankind (Mark 2:27).

But... "Now Open 7 days a week"

A great museum, but they have a blind spot on this point.

...your "creation science" museum has a notice saying:

"Please note that the Creation Museum is a smoke-free facility. Firearms and pets (other than service animals) are not permitted in the museum."

http://www.creationmuseum.org/plan-your-visit

http://www.answersingenesis.org/ http://www.creationmuseum.org/

Done already:

http://www.creationmuseum.org/

Mind you, that t-rex was a vegetarian, and children had them as pets. The animatronics must prove it...

don't start me on xenu, you godless heathens. Monkies evolved from the bible!