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Re:Yes. Yes it is.
Lots of European countries have worse. Imagine this nonsense in your country.
Reinfeldt: Det ursvenska är blott barbari
Lets not get started with Merkel . . . it might not end.
Trump is a considerable improvement over them, and far, far better than the alternative in the US election: Hillary Clinton.
Maybe you should read more, and from additional sources.
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Re:Marketers subscribe
They subscribed to what should have been the non-secret public database of vehicle ownership (used to target ads to owners of a particular brand of car, issuing parking tickets to registered owners, etc.) Transportstyrelsen e-mailed the unredacted (including true identity of car owners with "skyddad identitet" - protected identity) excel document to whomever subscribed to the vehicle registry.
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Re:Give Europe the 1st Amendment
What they lack are real free speech rights Europe, especially germany, has the same free speech rights than you have. The stuff we are talking about here had nothing to do with government, but with idiots inflaming hate versus others, that is a legal crime here. Prosecuted by the state attorney, not the government.
Obviously you don't have the same free speech rights that we have in the U.S. as evidenced by the fact the police in Germany are raiding homes for "inflaming hate versus others", apparently a crime in Germany but legal speech in the U.S.
Of course, "inflaming hate versus others" can easily be interpreted so widely that it can be used by the government to censor speech where the government feels most vulnerable, like Merkel's migrant policy, which is exactly what is happening. In other words, political censorship. And it has a chilling effect on speech. Maybe you want to write on Facebook about the rising crime rate attributed to migrants in the country but don't because you don't want an interview with the police or to end up on some government watch list. Maybe you won't get arrested but censor yourself as you don't want to worry if government pressure or being on such a list will affect your ability to earn a living.
U.S. Supreme Court has said over and over again that it is the most controversial speech that is most in need of 1st Amendment protection and has long recognized the chilling effect on speech that censorship can have. So NO, we don't have the same free speech rights as Europeans, idiot. What we have is far better, hence original point.
There are no murdering, thieving, raping thugs running around in Europe. We are in Europe, not in the USA
... idiot.Obviously you do...moron. We are in the U.S.A, not Europe and if they tried the stuff you see in the (very short, could be infinitely longer) list below, very well armed U.S. citizens would defend themselves.
Something on the scale of Rotherham would never happen here because enraged Fathers, AR15 in hand, would hunt them down like the animals they are. Good thing I'm not in Europe, I'd arrested for saying that....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4546450/Rochdale-horror-goes-abuse-rife-10-years-on.html/
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/06/03/grooming-scandal-200-sex-crimes-town/
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/03/22/timeline-twelve-years-terror-attacks-uk/
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/03/02/belgian-police-moroccan-raped-230-women/
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/09/24/swedish-police-admit-loss-control-55-no-go-areas/
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/06/13/sweden-50-per-cent-rise-no-go-zones/
http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/sverige-har-fatt-fler-problemomraden-krisstamning-inom-polisledningen/
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Re:move on
That you consider it "racist" is irrelevanta. That's meaningless and it's still true.
That some idiot had the chance to moderate it troll is just sad.
As for data of course I have it:
http://www.dn.se/debatt/kultur...
https://www.bra.se/download/18... (Bilaga 4, table 1 and 2 page 61 and onwards for instance.)
This one doesn't have the country-specific data but I never manage to find the original source for it any longer:
http://wwwc.aftonbladet.se/nyh...
The country-specific data maybe was put together by someone looking at their source data
https://www.flashback.org/sp57...
https://politifon.wordpress.co... (You need to consider the number of North-Europeans relative others in Norway for that one.)
http://gamla.hbl.fi/nyheter/20...
https://petterssonsblogg.se/20...I wouldn't make the claim if it wasn't true but it's never about truthness or the actual source for you guys because the only reason it's asked about is to discredit the claim. Even if it's true and out there and is a fact it will still be considered a worthless point because it's not ok to view people in that way, group them together, irrelevant because not all are sentenced, whatever.
The fact is still that for some nationalities the over-representation was over 20 times, for two (China and Malaysia or the Philippines or something such) it's actually below 1, sadly most of the asylum seekers to Sweden are rapefugees of those shit cultures.
We don't have any data for the 21st century because the government doesn't want any created which by itself kinda is data enough.
https://www.bra.se/bra/brott-o...
The rapefugee effect is obvious there, and there's the festivals and new year celebrations and such helping explain "why":
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyhe...
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Re:Sweden has to.
NSA "frågar" FRA om specifik information – avtal sedan 1954
FRA hackade datorer åt NSACitations from a more reputable sources provided.
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Re:Actually watched Al Jazeera English?
Addressing the main topic, I should add that I also have been using Al-Jazeera's Android app for some time now, along with those from the BBC, Dagens Nyheter (Swedish only) and Deutsche Welle.
I don't usually bother with US news outlets much any more, unless I follow a link to a story on one of their websites, or it's a local thing I hear about from relatives there.
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Re:Already happened in Sweden
I didn't manage to find an English news article, but here is news article in Swedish:
Polisen fick blodprov fran skyddat register
Here is part of it translated using Google Translate:
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Therefore turned to the police for the so-called PKU biobank, a blood bank at Huddinge hospital with samples from three million Swedes. The police wanted Mijailovics blood test data and also got these, according to Current. ...
His Vallin, head doctor at Huddinge Hospital, was on Friday very secretive about the hospital had left out Mijailovics blood: ...
Blood samples taken since 1975 on all newborns to detect if the child has an inherited metabolic disorder, which without treatment can cause brain damage. Nowadays However guardians permission to take the test.
Even when the Daily News a decade ago first told me about PKU register, said chief prosecutor in Stockholm that if the police are told that there is an interesting blood anywhere, so the police can take it seized. But so simple, it is not, but this would be against the law. Today, the police very coy. -
Re:This, despite precedents protecting new reporti
I've read the police report, It's about a crime, period.
The accusations about the Swedish judicial system and about the girls working for the states are paranoid at best.This is why Sweden as a democracy can't guarantee him anything:
http://www.dn.se/nyheter/varlden/asyl-till-assange-ar-ett-slag-i-luften"Foreign minister Patino [Equador] claimed that it sought to obtain guarantees
from Sweden that Assange would not be extradited in the event of a request
from the United States. According to Ove Bring [professor of international law],
it would be completely unreasonable for Sweden to issue such guarantees.- Who would guarantee that? The Swedish Supreme Court can't anticipate
it's own trial. If there is such a request, it must be handled the conventional way.- The government can overturn the extradition even thought the Supreme Court has
ruled in favor of it. But at the current point in time, the goverment can give no such assurances.
That would mean that the government would overrun the whole judicial system and said that
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Re:Extradition to USYes, http://www.dn.se/nyheter/varlden/asyl-till-assange-ar-ett-slag-i-luften (Swedish, use google translate)
A legal expert, my translation of the important bit
"Who would make such a guarantee? The supreme court couldn't forego its own trial. The government could of course block the extradiction even if the supreme court said the extradiction should be made, but the government couldn't promise that in advance. That would be the government running the judiciary over, saying it has no say in the matter".
In short. The supreme court could say no, but not guarantee that in advance. The government can block the decision from the supreme court once made, but not guarantee to do so in advance.
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Re:Scary
Don't be so smug. The Swedish Prime Minister totally supported Pol Pot, even after the Khmer Rouge emptied the cities and started murdering in earnest. He then followed up this momentous achievement by going to Cuba and signing with Castro a declaration of congratulations to the Cambodian people for their great achievement. A shit-ton of intelligent, educated people in Sweden heartily approved of their leader's actions.
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Re:Wishful Thinking
The latest vaccine that was prompted in Finland (and Sweden) turned out to be not-so-good.
http://www.dn.se/nyheter/vetenskap/vaccinering-kan-ge-narkolepsi
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Re:Call me Crazy...
It's my speculation that they gave him a proper muslim burial to show that they indeed are not wageing a war against muslims. From what i've read http://www.dn.se/nyheter/varlden/soldaten-kande-igen-bin-ladin-innan-han-skot (swedish) they asked several countries if they would accept the body but they all denied taking him, among others the saudies.
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Re:Nice to get this from slashdot
Why not start with some of the most well known ones? All published a couple of days before
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Re:Let justice be served
Yes:
Failure to fulfill dual criminality - generally the act for which extradition is sought must constitute a crime punishable by some minimum penalty in both the requesting and the requested parties.
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Extradition#Exemptions_in_the_European_Union
But:
I slutet av november häktades han i sin frånvaro misstänkt för en våldtäkt, två fall av sexuellt ofredande och ett fall av olaga tvång.
http://www.dn.se/nyheter/varlden/assange-utlamnas-till-sverige
Which means:
In late November he was arrested in his absence on suspicion of rape, two counts of sexual assault and one case of duress.
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Re:Bad legal arguments
here is a link to the original swedish news story (I hope they don't sue me): http://www.dn.se/kultur-noje/nyheter/fallande-dom-i-unikt-upphovsrattsfall-1.1205941 beware if you need to use google translate - for some reason google translates the word "kronor" to "millions"... kronor is the swedish currency so the text: "Domen meddelades klockan två på onsdagseftermiddagen. Tingsrätten anser att han för brott mot upphovsrättslagen ska betala 70 dagsböter à 50 kronor. Därtill ska han betala 11.780 kronor i skadestånd till Canal Plus (C More Entertainment AB). Henrik Rasmusson hade dock hoppats på en villkorlig dom också, men har inte bestämt sig för huruvida han ska överklaga." means that he has to pay 70 fines of 50 kronor which is 3500kronor plus 11780kronor in additional compensation. todays exchange rate for swedish kronor is: 1 Swedish krona = 0.145647 U.S. dollars
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Re:Bad legal arguments
I searched for a better article and found one (in Swedish) http://www.dn.se/kultur-noje/nyheter/fallande-dom-i-unikt-upphovsrattsfall-1.1205941 The article indicates the court did consider various sophisticated legal and technical arguments. As for expert opinions, one professor in "civil rights" (sv: civilrätt) expected a conviction, and a professor in intellectual property rights expected the defendendant to go free. So the law is apparently a bit unclear in this area. In the end of the article it says it is not clear if the defendendant will appeal, although a laywer with a background in the area says he was suprised by the court's decision, with the caveat that he hasn't read the actual decision/motivation yet.
/C The defendendant was fined 70 "dagsböter" of 50 SEK each, i.e. about 350 EUR. In addition, he is to pay damages of about 1100 EUR to Canal Plus. -
New update
New update - 17:26 swedish time.
http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/assange-anhallan-havd-1.1157250
"The Chief Prosecutor does not believe that there is any reason to arrest Assange".(My (bad) translation)
There is no longer a warrent out for Julian, and he no longer has to turn himself in to the police. However, the investigation continues. -
The warrant withdrawn.
The procecutor has withdrawn the warrant for arrest since there is no reason to arrest Assange and the suspicions are not of the kind that warrant an arrest.
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Interesting Q&A session with WikiLeaks founder
An interesting question & answer chat with Julian Assange, who founded WikiLeaks was published (in English) by Dagens Nyheter, the biggest morning newspaper in Sweden, today.
It gives some insight into his thinking as well as the seriousness of their task — two of their contributors have already been assassinated.
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More Assange in Swedish media
An interview for swedish television on http://svtplay.se/v/2107548/julian_assange_om_kriget_i_afghanistan And a chat in the more respected newspaper DN http://www.dn.se/nyheter/chattar/wikileaks-grundare-julian-assange-chattade-1.1154564
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Re:FUD
Perhaps. But the story has been covered by every major Swedish newspaper the last few days.
Svenska Dagbladet
Dagens Nyheter
Göteborgsposten
SydsvenskanIt's the Chancellor of Justice that is being quoted...
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Re:Video
Depends on what you call MAJOR.
Most of of the large newspapers in Sweden has picked up the story (all in Swedish of course):
http://www.expressen.se/Nyheter/1.1941889/video-pastas-visa-usa-soldater-som-skjuter-ner-irakier
http://www.dn.se/nyheter/varlden/video-av-massaker-publicerad-pa-natet-1.1072665
http://www.svd.se/nyheter/utrikes/video-visar-hur-civila-dodades_4525379.svd
Some, like the last one even has it as the first news on their main page. The same page also says that the article are taken from TT the largest Swedish news agency.
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Re:how can they order it closed?This is the best translation I could come up with using google translate and my knowledge of the swedish language.
Two of the pirates behind the file sharing site Pirate Bay riscs a new million fine. Stockholm District Court threatens them with each SEK 500,000 in liquidated damages if the Pirate Bay won't shut down.
In April this year, the verdict fell against The Pirate Bay - in fact without anything really changed. Sharing The site was still there, as well as the illegal file sharers.
After threats of being sued decided the site operator, Black Internet, to switch off The Pirate Bay.
Despite that, the site is still maintained, so the district court decided that they'll turn against the people behind the site.
For Fredrik Neij and Gottfried Svartholm Warg, it means a civil action to enforce bans The Pirate Bay.
- If they continue to operate, they can be sentenced to pay a fine of half a million crowns to each of the state, says lawyer Monique Wadsted representing Hollywood companies in the trial of The Pirate Bay
They say that they no longer have anything to do with the management?
- They say it, but there are a host of other information they have provided, and registrations of domain names that clearly shows that they are still involved in the operation of the business.
Fredrik Neij writes in an email to DN that he has had nothing to do with the operation of The Pirate Bay in a long time, and that he therefore is already following the district court's decision.
Furthermore, he believes that it does not matter to him if the debt of the enforcement service is the 45 million or 45.5 million crowns. "It's money I will never be able to pay," he writes.
He also notifies the sentence will be appealed.
Black Internet has appealed the district court's earlier decision on the penalty. The matter is currently with the Court of Appeal.Source: http://www.dn.se/kultur-noje/nyheter/pirate-bay-hotas-av-miljonboter-1.984749
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It's even worse in Sweden
Here in Sweden a blogger (without any income from the blog at all) got the verdict that blogging is an occupation and therefore he must either quit blogging or loose his unemployment check.
http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/arbetslos-bloggare-kraver-besked-om-a-kassa-1.842969
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Pirate Party is pushing for OSS
This all might be true...
However, the Pirate Party is going to municipal elections in sweden in 2010 with the intent on changing the use of proprietary software and move to OSS in municipals. Piratpartiet satsar på kommunval Link in swedish.
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Re:Thought crime
No, slander is illegal. "Insulting" was a bad word to use, "criticizing" would have been more correct. Currently you have to be very careful about objecting to anything done by a foreigner. Just look at this article (Finnish). Apparently police targeting pickpockets is now racist if most of the pickpockets happen to be foreigners.
Female circumcision is an extreme example that no sane person tolerates. The problem is that anything less in your face is tolerated, in the name of multiculturalism. That leaves plenty of room to oppress women.
You're wrong about the hotels. Two of them are in central Helsinki. One is in Kallio, which is probably the least popular central area, but still popular compared to locations further away. The totally insane one is in Punavuori (Finnish), one of the most sought after locations for apartments.
Nice strawman calling anti-immigrants skinheads. Most of us are against skinheads too. We're not willing to tolerate people who themselves don't tolerate anything. This includes both refugees from backwards cultures and skinheads of our own. Unfortunately the skinheads are already here, but the refugees can be stopped at the border without harming our democracy. I would also point out that most modern skinheads are more talk than action, and they should have free speech too.
You're being hopelessly naive believing that officials have any success "encouraging women to have more equal status" (", mmmkay"). In Stockholm, TEN percent (article in Swedish) of 15-year old girls are having trouble with honor culture. This is in one of the most accepting countries on the planet. Even worse, when the percentage of immigrants in one area becomes large enough, attacks against the local culture reach out of control status (Swedish). If you don't speak Swedish, part of the article points out that firemen had to stop responding to fires that weren't spreading because they were too afraid of violence.
The talk about integrating refugees is all talk and no action. In practice, the refugees are trying to bring their own oppressive culture with them - the one they claim to be fleeing from. Sure, some of them actually believe in freedom, but there is no effort at all to weed out those who actually deserve our protection. The same will happen in Finland unless it's stopped now.
The multiculturalist fanatics are also trying to destroy our democracy. A Dutch member of parliament was banned from entering the UK to address the House of Lords, because their government thought it would cause trouble.
The Finnish prime minister is a coward and a traitor to the constitution. When the muslim world was in uproar about the Danish political cartoons, he apologized on behalf of Finland that they were published here too. Apparently he thinks they should have been hidden from view so us subjects couldn't decide for ourselves whether there was anything wrong with them. The message is clear: anything that muslims find offensive shouldn't be free speech, and boy are there a lot of those things.
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Short summaryThe original article has been pulled, new one available (In swedish) here
A short summary in english.
This autumn Datainspektionen will start monitoring how the IPRED law is applied when it comes to disclosure of personal information. A recent verdict in the RegeringsrÃtten, Swedens highest applicable court, has upheld Datainspektionens decision that IP adresses are to be considered personal information and therefore protected under law.
In 2005 Datainspektionen ruled that collecting and storing personal information online like copyright advocates were doing was a breach of the Swedish PUL, Personal information act, that regulates how and what kind of information that can be traced to a single individual that can be stored. The antipiracy organizations were quickly granted an exemption though, that expired march 31st. Starting april 1st this year IPRED allows holders of copyright to apply to the courts for this information. Datainspektionen will now monitor closely how any personal information aquired from the courts in this manner is used by copyright holders.
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Re:bad rule
the first article has been removed, since it was wrong on several points.
http://www.dn.se/kultur-noje/nyheter/ny-dom-paverkar-inte-ipredlagen-1.894500
the court says: IP's are personal information, therefore you can only get this information through a court of law, and this ruling does not affect the Ipred law
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPREDso a sysadm is not prohibited in managing his own network.
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Article's been replaced
Here's the new link.
The bottom line is that despite the ruling from regeringsrÃtten, APB may still collect IP addresses.
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Article has been replaced
The article had a lot of errors and DN has replaced it with a new article: http://www.dn.se/kultur-noje/nyheter/ny-dom-paverkar-inte-ipredlagen-1.894500 In short: They can still do what they want, but they need a permit for it.
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Working link:
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Re:Is there any more information on the verdict?
According to the judge (Link in Swedish, sorry), the court reasoned that the activities were carried out in a "commercial scale" and in an "organized manner", which apparently warranted the harsh punishments.
This seems a bit funny to me, since two of the biggest problems for the prosecution during the trial was that they could not make any sense of the organization behind TPB and that they could not show that they actually made any money.
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Re:Consider the source.
For example, Dagens Nyheter, one of the largest newspapers in Sweden currently runs a poll on their website.
"Do you buy more games and movies since the introduction of IPRED?"
with the current standings 4385 (96%) for No and 114 (2%) for Yes. While such a poll may be biased towards certain readers that only read the paper online, it's still quite a significant difference of 2% voting Yes compared to the articles claim of 100% increase. -
The numbers are a bit to big
A Swedish source (Google translation) says that there where a tax loss of 3.6 million SEK and the total income amounted to 40 million SEK, not that the tax loss was of 40 million SEK. The Swedish source also says nothing of these numbers being annually.
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Re:Hmmmmm.
In a word, no. At least I have never seen a "hit piece" and I'm a daily reader. Of cause one man's fact might appear to be propaganda by someone else. A math example involving interest rate will just appear to be math to you and me, but someone from the Arab Wold might interpret it as propaganda. There might well have been a clearly labeled opinion piece published taking sides with "the industry", but the main newspaper is just factual. Here is a recent article containing an interview with a musician who is critical of "the industry" and copyright.
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Re:Hmmmmm.
Why was this moderated flamebait? It's true. Here is a link to an article on DN.se, the larges daily newspaper in Sweden. And here is another one. The text is in Swedish though, so you might need to use google to translate.
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Re:Hmmmmm.
Why was this moderated flamebait? It's true. Here is a link to an article on DN.se, the larges daily newspaper in Sweden. And here is another one. The text is in Swedish though, so you might need to use google to translate.
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Re:Media event?
You mean they are trying to court the same media companies whose content is being shared through Pirate Bay and who are behind the efforts to shut it down in the first place?
There are different kinds of media companies.
Nice to see they have good weed in Sweden.
While I can't offer an opinion on that, we do have public television who will be streaming the audio from the trial live, and we have reputable newspapers who just this morning had 3 or 4 full pages about the upcoming trial.
If the trial does become a media spectacle (though I haven't seen it even mentioned in any mainstream news outlets in the US, maybe it's different in Europe) I doubt it will be the kind of coverage that is sympathetic to TPB.
The coverage has generally been pretty even-handed. The article in DN mentioned that all the major political parties are internally divided on the issue, while most of their youth-organizations lean more towards siding with the "pirates".
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Volvo has more urgent needs: quality control
Volvo first needs to do something about their quality control. About 50% of all V50 models sold last year had to go back to the shop for major repairs. If you read Swedish or know how to ask someone (Google, Altavista,
...) to translate it for you have a look at Dagens Nyheter or Göteborgs Posten. Roughly translated the salient bit goes like 'The worst car is the Volvo V50, every other car needs to be repaired in the first year in traffic' (Värsta bilen är Volvo V50, varannan tvingades akut till verkstaden under första året i trafik) and 'worst in these statistics is the Volvo V50 which spends on average 4.45 days per year in the workshop. Second worst is stablemate S60 with 4.26 days in the shop' (Värstingen i denna statistik är Volvo V50 som i genomsnitt har 4,45 verkstadsdagar. På andra plats kommer märkeskollegan S60 med 4,26 dagar på verkstaden). -
It was a shock
First I was shocked, then I believed that someone was pretending to be Miguel, but when checking his profile and all it seems as it really was Miguel saying this. I also had hard to imagine that he would have been paid by Microsoft to say this, so I really don't understand his motives.
Here in Sweden we are currently arguing with Klas Hammar, who is business area manager for Microsoft Sweden. Recently, in a a debate article (7th Sept, in Swedish) he claimed that OOXML is "future safe" and in another article (today 11th of Sept, also Swedish), he says "one could ask why it shouldn't become a standard".
For him and others I collected the documents I had studied before the decision to reject OOXML and put them here (all in English). It is a collection of some documents from e.g. Google, Oracle, Spain FFII, Italian PLIO etc which very clearly describes the flaws of OOXML. This page could probably be useful for Miguel to read as well. This is not to compete with <NO>OOXML, it is just to illustrate how we have come to this conclusion on our own.
We are not opposing OOXML by principle just because it's Microsoft, in fact we looked forward to the Microsoft XML format a few years ago, but that was before we understood how bad an "XML" specification could be designed. OOXML is a rough draft, nothing to take seriously as it appears now. I also have a blog entry about this if you want to send me some comments. (I'm not a blogger, otherwise)
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Two can play the dirty game...
The Swedish article at dn.se ( http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=678&a=68
6 933 ) mentions the voting being declared illegal because one participating person casted two votes. It's probably just a way for SIS to save face, but what if one of the no-parties called in declaring they cheated by holding both their hands up? Just a thought... -
He knew about it, but didn't actThis has been in the works for some time as he, in an interview on april 21th, has said he had seen the comments and thought they were unsuitable. But he didn't act on it as he doesn't think it's any use because they would still be in the archives (Google cache etc).
Article in swedish.
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Re:FDIC?Raukka, ruotsissa pitää myös syöttää toinen tunnuskoodi vahvistuskoodina jotta pankki hyväksyisi siirron! I huvudsak är det våra kunder i Sverige som drabbats, men vi har också några få fall i Finland. I Danmark har vi klarat oss helt. http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?a=607793
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Re:The whole article appears to be FAKE
No, this has been reported by Dagens Nyheter, The Daily News, which is Sweden's largest and most serious newspaper.
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Already done in SwedenThis model was considered and partially implemented in Sweden with some very bizarre effects. The story goes like this: In the 30's out of the ideas of social Darwinism and the ideas of so called "racial hygiene" came the idea that people were not criminals by choice but because of biological dispositions (even determinism). The crime/punishment model was to be abandoned for one where a group of scientist would evaluate each criminal case and determine what had to be done to "cure" the criminal and make him a functional part of society.
While it was never implemented fully, what was introduced and what we still have today is that the sentencing part includes what to do with insane people. First the case is deliberated in court and a verdict is reached. If the accused person is found guilty a psych exam is performed and a decision is made as to if the person should go to jail or be sent to a mental institution.
Perhaps you are starting to see the problem.
In order to be sentenced to mental care, you have to be guilty. Sweden holds the dubious distinction of being the only country in the world that doesn't think you need to be sane to be legally responsible for your actions.
As you can imagine this brings a few problems. If you have to be guilty to receive care then a motivation for why you are guilty needs to be found - motive is essential in judicial rulings. In order to resolve this problem they invented something - I shit you not - called the "possible hypothetical motive". In essence it means that since motive is meaningless for a crazy person, the court invents a motive based on the worst case scenario. If you accidentally run over somebody with your car you will be found guilty of involuntary manslaughter. If you are insane and run somebody over with your car because the little green men told you so, you will be convicted of premeditated murder.
The severity of sentence is proportional to the severity of crime. In order to get sentenced to a long time of mental care, the crime has to be really hideous. So absurdly, when the court sees that the person standing trial really needs medical help, they have to show that the crime was premeditated. So even petty crimes committed by insane people get labeled as premeditated grave atrocities. This is so that when the sentencing part of the trial comes the court can sentence them to prolonged care.
Perhaps the greatest absurdity is that the sanity of the person is first evaluated after the verdict - and hence not at the time of the crime. Temporary insanity doesn't exist. Sane criminals when convinced play insane and get sentenced to care instead of jail. Great examples of the effects of the absurdity are cases where a person commits a crime, is found insane and sentenced to care. On leave from the mental institution (yes, in Sweden both mental patients and criminals get short vacations from their sentences on a regular basis) they commit another crime. This type the psych evaluation finds them to be sane and they are sentenced to jail. So they leave from the mental institution in order to go to jail - and are returned to the mental institution once their jail sentence is up. If you speak Swedish, read Maciej Zaremba's excellent article series on the subject, called "Rättvisan och dårarna" - it won this year's Swedish journalist prize.
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The social democrats have their own black marks.
http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=1042&a=5
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(Swedish)
Translated loosely:
In October the unemployed single mother "Alice" sent a tearfilled mail to several journalists at Today's News.
The sender claims to be an unemployed, ill single mother who is despairing over the Moderates' suggestion to lower the unemployment benefit.
She also describes a female friend 'whom I got to know at the employment agency was crying the other day and wondered if life was worth living if she receives more kicks like this in the future', and offered to be in a feature interview.
- How can Reinfeld be so heartless? wondered "Alice".
According to the newspaper the same IP address has also been used by "the freelance journalist Erik Persson who claims that Swedish journalists are bought out by the moderates, and by "Anna", an 'infuriated Stockholm woman' who accuses the Moderates of dubious polling methods.
Aftonbladet states that the messages have been traced to an IP address at Sveavegen 68 in Stockholm, the Social Democrats' head office.
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The electronic war has already started. Why play-act surprised that both sides take part?
I also find the timing of this 'discovery' not surprising. -
Re:slyck.com reports that takedown was a hoax
ThePirateBay Releases Version 2.0
June 2, 2005
Ummm Last I check it's 2006..
Oh yea then there's also this. -
Re:Examples Please!
Virtually all major swedish newspapers (http://www.aftonbladet.se , http://www.dn.se/ http://www.expressen.se/ http://www.svd.se/ are leading with the "Pirate War" and news that Pirate Bay is back online.
Media coverage have so far been very good, concentrating on the mismanaged raid, suffering of other hosted servers and the fact that the raid was not in line with the popular will.
Swedish state television have also done a news report connecting US lobbying and the swedish minister of justice to the raid, which is seen as extremly bad. Several other politicians and the justice ombudsman have started investigation into the legality of the raid. -
Re:China bashing month
SäPo is hardly "The GOVERNMENT", and neither is Stefan Amér.
A Swedish article about it
Not saying the government is absolutely innocent in this case, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me if the incompetent Laila Freivalds hires other incompetent idiots. After all, she promoted the chick who insulted people who inquired about their relatives in Thailand after the tsunami. -
Don't believe it
As a Swede, I can tell you that all this shows is that Swedish politicians lie just as much as the ones where you're reading this. Sorry, despite what you may have heard, we're not a utopian paradise. They don't really exist.
One habit they have is to announce grand plans that will be accomplished in some far off date. That way when you complain about how things are today, they can say "yeah, that's a problem, but we have a goal of fixing this by the year 20xx". It's also a way of building coalitions, "if you [crazy fringe party] support our goverment program today, well fulfil your grand insane plan in a decade or two, when conditions are right". When that year arrives, they declare that the goal wasn't met, blame something or someone, and announce a new goal.
Also, reading the original article announcing this goal, reveals what it actually is. Let me translate the final paragraph:
The goal is that the dependency on fossil fuel should be broken by 2020. By then no house should need oil for heating. By then no driver should have to use only gasoline. By then there should always be better alternatives than oil.
So they're not at all saying that Sweden should use no oil by then, only that there should be alternative ("better") fuels available for those who wish to use them.