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Re:So, pilot error?
Its a Pilot Training problem, but not a simple, "we just need to teach them about this one problem 737s have sometimes". It's that again and again, for decades now, we have perfectly functioning planes that have one sensor out of 50 go bad and the pilots will line the nose of the plane up directly with the ground, and proceed to fly directly into it.
It does not matter if some plane in particular has a minor software error or something has to be modified by 1 degree. It is that their are many pilots flying commercially that have no idea how to fly if even one gauge is off. Am I wrong, or did people used to be able to fly planes by pointing the nose above the horizon?
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"Shockingly intelligent"?
Almost as intelligent as her recent grilling of Wells Fargo...
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Re:And before anyone starts
It'd end up in court. https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbc...
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Re:Not really why you'd use a DSLR
No amount of talent in the world can get good shots out of bad cameras.
That's nonsense. You may not get the range of good shots, and you may need to work much harder to get them, but you can get excellent photos out of any modern digital or film camera.
e.g. https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbc... doesn't look too shabby.
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Oh no will he make it
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Re:Famous last words...
Or you could just slap a girls ass for a prank
https://video.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t...
and get taken down by said girl.
She even helps him to get up. Then kicks him again.
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Re:And this is...news?
Pay them now, or pay them later. Either way, nobody's going to get away with making the downtrodden a slave race for long.
People who write letters like this are not the kinds of people who start a revolution. She might even be afraid of guns.
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Re:Not ill timed...
When cartoonists are saying it.. well.. draw whatever conclusions you want.
Hint: Look just behind and to the side of the lightsabre.
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Re:More like....this
Compare to this:
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Re:Poor comparison
Also, Boeing was working on it's own version of a luxury supersonic competitor to the Concord (the Boeing 2707 SST), but the project ended up being cancelled before it was ever mass produced (mostly due to to all the sonic-boom issues related to flying over land)
Mostly due to the fact that Boeing couldn't figure out how to get their to fly (their swing wing concept was too heavy). The USA should have funded someone who already knew how to build and fly aircraft with these capabilities.
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Re:Anti-math and anti-science ...
The problem with your oversimplification is that the holy book of Christianity encourages pacifism
Have you actually read the Bible?
As a side note, the Awkward Moments (Not found in your average) Children's Bible that these illustrations came from are great books.
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Re:Anti-math and anti-science ...
The problem with your oversimplification is that the holy book of Christianity encourages pacifism
Have you actually read the Bible?
As a side note, the Awkward Moments (Not found in your average) Children's Bible that these illustrations came from are great books.
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Re:Effective Tax Rate
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Re:de Raadt
He is technically incapable of evaluating what's actually happening, and likes to go off-list when he's angry and wrong.
The freelist is not an "exploit mitigation countermeasure", but rather standard allocation caching behavior that many high-rate allocation applications and algorithms implement--for example, ring buffers are common as all hell. The comment even says that it's done because performance on allocators is slow.
Further, the only bug in Heartbleed was a READ OVERFLOW BUG caused by lack of input validation. It would actually read that a user said "This heartbeat is 65 thousand bytes long", allocate 65 thousand bytes plus room for instrumentation data, put instrumentation data in place, and then copy 65 thousand bytes from a request that was 1 byte long. While there are mitigation techniques, most allocators--anything that uses brk() to allocate the heap for allocations smaller than say 128KB (glibc's pmalloc and freebsd's kmalloc both use brk() until you ask for something bigger than 128KB, then use mmap())--don't do that. That's how this flaw worked: It would just read 64KB, most likely from the brk() area, and send it back to you.
Read overflows don't kill canaries, so you wouldn't detect it except for with an unmapped page--a phenomena that doesn't happen with individual allocations smaller than 128KB in an allocator that uses brk(), like the default allocator on Linux and FreeBSD. Write overflows would kill canaries, but they actually allocated enough space to copy the too-large read into. And the code is, of course, correct for invalid input.
Theo made a lot of noise about how all these other broken things were responsible for heartbleed, when the reality is one failed validation carries 100% of the weight for Heartbleed. If you perfectly cleaned up OpenSSL except for that single bug, slapped it on Linux with the default allocator, and ran it, it would still have the vulnerability. And it only behaves strange when being exploited--and any test would have sent back a big packet, raising questions.
There was never really any hope that this was going to be caught before it was in the wild and "possibly had leaked your SSL keys'. It may have happened sooner, maybe, maybe not; but it still would have been a post-apocalyptic shit storm. And all those technical mitigations Theo is prattling on about would have helped if OpenSSL were cleaned up... AND if those technical mitigations were in Linux, not just OpenBSD.
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At a high level of abstaction will work-UFKC ATEB
This kind of thing is okay for simple tasks but can get complicated very quickly.
Maybe at a high level of abstraction this works but the inner details has to be coded in text.UFKC ATEB https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcd...
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Oblig.
A nice tall glass of NOPE.
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Re:no you just have lots and lots of stabbings and
The only people who say spraying, as if guns were garden hoses, are those who have never fired a gun.
Oh hey look, it's me, and what's that in my hand...?
https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/8916_141224576484_3554876_n.jpgSeriously, you get the point I'm making, but you're going to dispute it based on a single word chosen? Sure, a replica black powder pistol still works and can still shoot someone, but you think you'd get more than a couple shots off before being stopped? If you start shooting people with a freakin original Springfield rifle in the middle of a shopping mall, the moment you pull out that ramrod you're going down! How many shots until you have to reload? How long is it gonna take to do that? How many people own and fire such guns today, compared to when they were first produced? How expensive is the ammo? How long would it take to produce *by hand*?
Point is, OF COURSE the guns will still be around; OF COURSE they'll still be lethal; but it'd make them a hell of a lot less likely to be used in mass shootings.
Of course, this all assumes you could somehow cease global production of new firearms or halt any and all smuggling. Which we all know is absurd.
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Re:Popularity of space stuff based on replies
I've got two telescopes, but I need neither to see the Pleiades, the Orion Nebula, and the Andromeda Galaxy, all from the middle of Nottingham. I never actually truly appreciated the night sky until last November when I was in Darkest Herefordshire and with the Manor grounds at Bodenham in complete darkness and the nearest village 12 miles away, the sky took on a whole new level of stunning.
No immediate plans to go back to Bodenham, but if/when I do I hope it's during late autumn/winter months again so I can take my telescope this time round. Maybe get some images that plant Jupiter & Taurus, wide field, in Nottingham and Jupiter & Taurus with M42, stacked exposure, in Nottingham, and finally single, tracked exposure of Orion taken with a £50 digital camera and motorised piggyback mount in a private observatory in Herefordshire six feet under.
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Re:three?
I remember this effect the first few times I used a wheel mouse. It didn't take long to learn to press in a certain way (angle) so there's no scrolling. Is there something in more recent mice that makes this harder?
I know what you mean. I also could find the certain angle in which to click the button in older mice, but there really seems to be something in the more recent mice that makes this harder. Could be that the scroll wheel is positioned higher, that is one guess.
<rant>Every year, we seem to have fewer keys on the keyboard and more widgets on the mouse. For example, on most laptops we've lost PgUp/Dn keys and the arrow keys keep shrinking, probably because a wheel mouse is supposed to do the same thing. I predict that some day they don't sell keyboards any more, but a typical mouse will have 102 buttons.</rant>
The Ducky Mini is an interesting case as it omits arrow keys completely.
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Re: But that doesn't explain
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Death Penalty
Indulge me in a little hyperbole: for a friend of mine, hacking AT&T was a death sentence.
Lance Moore was involved with LulzSec, foolishly no doubt. As an AT&T technician of some sort, he acquired and subsequently distributed some internal corporate documents. The Justice department is liable to be a more accurate source of the specific complaints. He was caught. The FBI seized its opportunity to bring the hammer down. I've seen various figures given for the amount of jail time he was facing; somewhere between five and thirty. He was found dead by his own hand on February 24 of last year. His crime has by now likely been forgotten by all that were involved with it.
Sixteen other people were arrested the same day that he was arrested. I don't know their stories. The reader may judge whether justice was served.
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Re:MANIFOLD IRONY
It's just 5 Point, not 5 "Points"
... you're as bad as these people
...and stay out of Seattle you ingrate.
Signed,
Emmett Watson, Stan Boreson, and the cast of Almost Live! -
Re:very very stealthy
The head of the design team himself said they have only performed test flight with two smaller models (one with a propeller, the other with a micro jet). These are from the slides he presented.
Propeller-powered sub-scale model:
http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/250662_10151268717323603_1355114109_n.pngJet-powered sub-scale model:
http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/542333_10151268717468603_1294585182_n.pngThe one in photos was a mock up. Like any of these:
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2667/pavillion22so.jpg
http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab35/bobro15/NAA-FX-2_zps79959a9a.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/2yl7cs8.jpg (the one in front) -
Re:very very stealthy
The head of the design team himself said they have only performed test flight with two smaller models (one with a propeller, the other with a micro jet). These are from the slides he presented.
Propeller-powered sub-scale model:
http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/250662_10151268717323603_1355114109_n.pngJet-powered sub-scale model:
http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/542333_10151268717468603_1294585182_n.pngThe one in photos was a mock up. Like any of these:
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2667/pavillion22so.jpg
http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab35/bobro15/NAA-FX-2_zps79959a9a.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/2yl7cs8.jpg (the one in front) -
Re:Skillful self-promotion
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Bullshit... where are the details?
Seriously, WTF. He was drawing "weapons" in his notebook.
Was he plotting out detailed plans for causing mass destruction? No?Maybe he drew a detailed blueprint for an atomic bomb? Or maybe just an IDE? No?
TFA doesn't say. Another article quotes his mom saying that he drew a glove shooting fire. A glove... shooting magical fire... WTF?
Ok maybe it was this one. Maybe he was planning to build his own? That would have been aweso... err I mean criminal!But wait, since the staff called the police then there must be some threat that he poses, right? Let's search his house just to be safe. Oh look! We found scary-looking exposed electronic parts!
Oh, and some "chemicals" that could be mixed together to make an explosive!
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Re:Great little piece of technology
My junk doesn't have any kind of screw either.
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One small problem with that
Pick someone with a tax plan that adds up, low spending, little war-lust, and who understands what a disaster the "personhood" amendment would be, and then you'll have a race.
Someone like that would be branded a screaming liberal by the Tea Partiers and Fox News - and never get the nomination. You need to start your cure a few paces back from that position.
Clean your house.
Ditch the Fox news. Dump the Tea Party. Stop allowing these fundamentalists to tell you what's what. Take your party back. Push for your values (the good ones) like small government. No political party that wants to criminalize abortions can possibly with a straight face tell you that they are for small government.
Stop talking about rape. Just stop it.
Embrace diversity. There is more to the world than 50-something Caucasian southern Baptists. You want to win? Start by representing America, not just your favorite part of it. And by that I don't mean "fake it to get votes", I mean tell the other half of America how you can change the world for the better for them.
And pick better role models. Bill O'Reilly, Sarah Palin, Ted Nugent, and Rush Limbaugh are all morons. Sorry, but they are. And we've got Neil deGrasse Tyson, Rachel Maddow, Jon Stewart, and Bill Maher. Find some intelligent people for your side. Start with Colin Powell and build from there. Ditch the ones you've got. They're not helping.
Stop with the anti-intellectualism. Science is real. It's why we can read this on the internet. If you had to pick a single reason why the Republicans lost, I feel it is best contained in this graphic. That's your problem in a nutshell right there. Fix that.
Fix your house, dust yourselves off, and come back as someone we can respect and even occasionally admire (which hasn't been since Reagan), and then you guys will see some results.
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Re:poor choices for locations
I currently work in a blending/bottling/packaging/bulk shipping facility that was built forty years ago, but has been upgrading and expanding the entire time - we just finished an expansion in January that houses a new gallon bottle line that does four times the volume the old gallon line did - but it needs six workers, while the twenty-year-old one only needs four. It's fewer employees per capita, but as we increase volume, we still need more workers. Hell, they've expanded the parking lot twice since I started there four years ago.
The plant has three quart bottle lines, a 12-ounce line, the new gallon line (the old one has been mothballed, but will be pulled out next year for another quart line), a 2.5 gallon line, a five-gallon pail line, and a 55 gallon drum line. The eight lines together require about sixty people directly operating them over three shifts, four forklift drivers per shift (because we're loading multiple semis at a time), and about thirty people for the three shifts in the warehouse - about a hundred people for a facility that moves between one and two million gallons of product a week.
For our fancy new 1.5 million dollar gallon line (bad photo taken in the dark because that's the only one I have on my phone), we have a person to operate the filler/check fill amounts, a person to fill the cap hopper, a person to clear backups, a person to do visual inspections (watching for leakers, bad labels, etc.), a person to break and load the pallets of bottles onto the line, and a person to break/load boxes onto the line.
Gone are the days of single skilled individuals. The mechanic is not going to sit there waiting for something to break, he/she might also be cross trained in how to use the forklift. Think about it.
I think calling our rednecks single-skilled individuals is being a bit too kind to them. "Open box, dump into hopper, break down box, repeat" doesn't qualify as a "skill" in my book. Maybe the delivery drivers count as skilled, but not the line workers.
And our mechanics (four per shift) always have something to fix - our half-mile-long facility has something like 300 pumps, almost a thousand automatic valves, a mile or so of conveyors, a dozen or so miles of pipes, automated control systems for the blending/pumping systems, and things like the goddamn entrance gate that breaks down EVERY time it rains. And then, of course, they also get the mundane tasks like changing lighting, doing safety inspections and testing the fire suppression system every week - that's where their down-time "cross-training" comes in. Companies that pay a mechanic $20/hr to do what they could pay Joe Six-Pack $10/hr to do don't stay in business long.
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Re:Sounds more like a slam against Penn State admi
And here you lost any credability of having a discussion on this. People who do not believe or do not understand do not by that nature hate the planet. I was skeptical when you started talking about people living in tree house forts but you simply jumped the shark on any credible efforts with ascribing "hate" to anyone who doesn't jump at the end of the world scenarios.
You have these people who immediately side against anything "environmental". A few days ago I brought up the interesting thing about using the excess idling power from hydro plants (they have to open the floodgates to dump excess water if there isn't power demand), wind farms, and solar arrays to generate gasoline, and was immediately gouged at by a huge dissertation about all the methane in the bottom of the ocean. It's like good, clean fuel is evil because we have all this fuel sitting around, and even if it's essentially free fuel it's enviro-hippie garbage. I get this stuff all the time. I have people jaw on about how solar arrays on your house are a great way to save money, but how large-scale solar farms are stupid because we have coal, oil, LP gas, and the like and we shouldn't waste money building unsustainable, unprofitable, expensive bullshit like solar plants. HUH? How are these people on both sides?
They're all over the place. Look around, people polarize like that. They don't want to be "liberals" so they become "anti-liberals." Don't tell me it's not real, 'cause I live in it, I get lectured by these people, and I present perfectly rational arguments and get push-back about stuff that's "a lot easier and cheaper" but "we haven't figured out how to do it yet".
... what?And I didn't say tree forts, or tree huts. I said houses in trees. Structurally stable, insulated, powered, plumbed. Think about a cityscape view versus a home with a more rural view with wide, open yards. Waterfront property gives you a harbor view. A few miles from me, there's a community where people have a good several acres of land, mostly wooded and streams--a coworker had a 1 mile driveway to the road, and her house was next to a cliff, there were boulders and trees and shrubs, like living in the woods.
These are all different things that happen when you walk outside your house. The past decade in Maryland and Delaware has seen a lot of housing development, some of which my parents bought into... houses with a solid 2/3 or 3/4 acre of land, nice and flat, where the developers razed down the woods into plains and built homes, roads, ran power line. Well water and septic, no plumbing. That's one particular environment of living, but after five years they started cutting further... the developers promised (on no contract) that they weren't interested in razing the trees around the area, so you look around and see nature. Now they've flattened some lots, but not built anything. Eventually this will look like just flat city, but with rural density--tree line is far away. Then the tree line will go away. This is displeasing the residents.
A lot of people seem to chatter once in a while about the environmental sustainability of underground homes, but the economics aren't there (and really, hobbit huts?). I prefer to intersperse light-medium density houses in trees, so you can have your rural area with the tree line, and the developers just build a six mile wide development *in* *the* *trees*, and some folks move there. This lets people who want to live near trees live near trees, without worrying about developers lopping them down; and it lets people who want to live *in* the trees (traditionally, on the ground, in a small clearing for their cottage, with a small dirt road run up from the main) actually live--almost literally--*in* the trees. It lets the developers pack
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Re:No dead tree, no deal
Sorry, I don't have and won't have one of the little crappy e-reader devices where I can't even read a fucking book as intended.
You mean a computer? Because they read eBooks as well.
Oh, then what's the point of doing so? Are you homeless and unable to store books anywhere? No?
Then where's the advantage?
Clearly you've never moved your books out of your mother's basement. Once is all it will take to make you appreciate not having to haul seven bookcases-worth to a new home (or even just move them because of a backed-up drain).
Now that the tech is finally usable, and certain readers have backlights (so you can read in bed with someone cuddled up against you asleep), they really are nifty little devices. Especially since I'm out of space for more bookshelves.
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A cartoon for people like you
FORCE everyone to think exactly like you do,
Here's a cartoon that describes people like you.
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Corcovado
The mountain seems to be the famous Corcovado Montain (the one with the big Jesus statue on top) in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. See here for comparison.
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Re:Chrome and IE
To solve this latency problem, most well-designed websites use a single large GIF or PNG for all their tiny CSS images, then slice the image to indicate each independent icon, border, etc. This not only reduces the total image overhead but also greatly reduces the total number of 304s to receive.
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Re:I've seen a lot of fucked up things
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Re:This site might as well rename itself CNN.
Someone with as large a circle of friends won't always refrain from "checking in on them" from "dangerous" places.
She signed into the account at school, then the auto-profile name is right there at the top near "view my profile" -
Inside the floating dock with the Sea Shadow
Pretty cool. The ship was locked up though, so I only got to check out the outside. It's bigger than you'd think.
Sea Shadow in the floating dock
From what I understand they tried to find a museum for the ship but there were no takers. The dock was in rusty/poor condition, but the ship looked garage-kept
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Tau marathon bib
I managed to get bib # tau for a marathon last year. Gave the timekeeper fits.
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Re:kansas?
From a progressive point of view, I think it makes perfect sense. The more access to the "real world" these people have, the harder it will be for the echo chamber to hold them.
How long can they remain "backward" if they are able to see the goings-on of the world around them? The fundamentalist mindset you're complaining about requires an echo chamber. This is why cults always cut themselves off from the outside world. The outside world provides too much evidence that the crap they're being fed by their chosen David Koresh or Jim Jones is just that, crap.
I honestly think that getting high-technology out into the country would be a progressive's wet dream. The rural parts of the country are so staunchly conservative in part because of their isolation. I suppose one could argue the opposite, as well, that people in urban areas are more progressive because they're forced to live in close quarters and thus have no choice but be more tolerant of those different from them, whether in looks, opinions, religion, etc.
When I was in high school, there was a Catholic grade school that fed into our public school. It was funny watching those kids, in just a few months, go fucking crazy with the freedom to act and dress that they never had before. Ditto with the kids coming in to our "city" school from out on the farms.
This Link says it all.
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Re:the 16 scientists are not climatologists
Apparently somebody already asked
:) http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s320x320/389834_10150377444933321_346272093320_8345205_1719532809_n.jpg -
makes a good desktop picture
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Re:SOPA is a good one to decide between candidates
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Re:You know, I'm normally against quotas
Once we've dealt with the neighborhood problem, and after a few decades of blacks and whites, you know, actually living together and treating each other as equals, we'll have that civil society you're talking about.
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Re:You lie! It's sad.
Why is it that most people in the west (who are supposed to be the best informed), are misinformed about Africa? Why?
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Re:Regardless of THIS flaw
This has nothing to do with DNS. When an image is "removed" from Facebook, the image is left on the server. The URL is something like this: http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/ . Using the rest of the url, you can always access the image because they're not changing around which servers are assigned which names.
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Re:I propose we Occupy "Occupy"
which can only lead to nostalgic Gen-Xer's wearing lame "Occupy Empire" and "Occupy Rebellion" Star Wars shirts.
We've already reached that point. This showed up on my facebook feed this morning.
Such notable quotes as: "End Galactic Corporate Greed", "Occupy Docking Bay 94 We are the 99%", "Get our troops off tatooine", and "Death Star Destruction was an inside job"
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Re:Cheating? Free market? how does this work?
I'm just clarifying that the only reason we allow it is the US is a profoundly racist country.
And I'm just clarifying that you are fucking full of shit. Y'know?
The other option is explode prices upward, because the capital cost of setting up a competitor is very high and takes a long time, and our government will not help our manufacturers in fact it will stand in the way whenever possible, and finally if we built a plant to sell cheap panels the Chinese govt would merely repeat the same trick, hand cash to their manufacturers to undercut the prices of our new plant, and put our new plant out of business, at which time they can charge whatever they want again.
Which is in essence what the complaint is about. The Chinese government is not playing by the same rules the rest of the world is playing by. The entire problem of the "non-protectionist" bullcrap arguments is that they assume that all countries are playing by the same rules - e.g. that all nations involved in trade have relatively equivalent standards for worker protection, environmental protection, and product safety. Meanwhile, the Chinese communist government creates nothing of real value, produces vast quantities of unsafe, dangerous knockoff crap from stolen designs, and treats 90% of their population as slave classes. One great example: a "landmark study" on enforced "vegan" nutrient-poor diets was recently done in China by a US-based "useful idiot" academic. Why do it in China? The Chinese government has laws preventing their slave classes from moving between villages and absolutely no Human Subjects regulations.
The USA problem is we think we are human beings and Chinese are not human beings they are just the yellow hordes or whatever subhuman description you'd like.
No, actually, the problem is that most people don't even know what goes into MAKING most of the products they use today. For instance, food. It has nothing to do with racism, it has nothing to do with hate, it's just a simple fact that most people don't consider anything beyond the point where they saw product X on the store shelves.
You want to talk economics? Fine, let's talk economics. But kindly get your head out of your ass and stop assuming that everything in the world is a product of "racism."
Incidentally: nobody in the USA refers to "the USA problem." It'd be "America's problem." My guess is, you're probably from some communist dipshit country where you get force-fed a diet of "USA bad, evil whiteys racist, they want to take over the world and depose your Glorious Leader" bullshit.
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Re:Altitude is your friend
Pictures show the elevator trim tab broken off. At those speeds the aircraft needs significant nose down force to stay level, and if the trim tab breaks off then the aircraft will nose up violently (and violently at 4-500 mph is a violent action indeed). It is quite possible that he suddenly hit between 5-9 Gs (my bet is in the higher part of the range) while unprepared. The human body can't do anything in those conditions. Quite different if those forces are expected and you can prepare through breathing and muscle contraction, but he probably got smacked down and possibly slammed his head into the instrument panel (as this was on the straight which is a place for going through and changing settings, the easy and fun part of the race).
Broken trim tab:
http://external.ak.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQD53IBQjMbO0oqC&w=90&h=90&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.graytvinc.com%2Fimages%2Fplane%2Benlarged.jpg
No pilot showing in canopy during dive:
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Re:80 year old pilot
First, he was 74, not 80. I don't know where you get that bullshit. Second, the crash was due to mechanical failure. See photo here. Third, you think maybe because the guy is living life, racing fighter planes, is why he's above ground at the age of 74 when many of his peers are six feet under or pissing themselves at nursing homes? He passed the physical exams with flying colors, which include reflexes and eyesight. I'm sure he would be the first to disqualify himself if he felt even the least bit unworthy to fly.
Yes, you're the only one who thinks it's strange. Asshole.
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Re:The TLAs and Corporate Lackeys
To bring it back home?
"We'll never get to the world of Star Trek, without bombing Belgrade and Tripoli! We need humanitarian intervention!"