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GunTV Aims To Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel For Firearms
HughPickens.com writes: Mike McPhate reports in the NY Times that two home shopping industry veterans, Valerie Castle and Doug Bornstein, are set to premier GunTV, a new 24-Hour shopping channel for guns, that aims to take the QVC approach of peppy hosts pitching "a vast array of firearms," as well as related items like bullets, holsters and two-way radios. The new cable channel hopes to help satisfy Americans' insatiable appetite for firearms. The channel's forthcoming debut might seem remarkably ill-timed, given recent shootings at a Planned Parenthood in Colorado Springs and at a social services center in San Bernardino, California but gun sales have been rising for years, with nearly 21 million background checks performed in 2014, and they appear on track to a new record this year. The boom has lately been helped by a drumbeat of mass shootings, whose attendant anxiety has only driven more people into the gun store. The proposed schedule of programming allots an eight-minute segment each hour to safety public service announcements in between proposed segments on topics like women's concealed weapon's apparel, big-game hunting and camping. Buying a Glock on GunTV won't be quite be like ordering a pizza. When a firearm is purchased, a distributor will send it to a retailer near the buyer, where it has to be picked up in person and a federal background check performed. "We saw an opportunity in filling a need, not creating one," says Castle. "The vast majority of people who own and use guns in this country, whether it's home protection, recreation or hunting, are responsible . I don't really know that it's going to put more guns on the streets."
What a ridiculous bias filled, ill-informed summary.
Every time there is a mass-shooting or similar, gun sales go up because the marketing department of the gun manufacturing lobby (NRA) goes into full swing about how the gubement is gona take yer guns. So this is perfectly timed to capitalize on the latest shooting.
"Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
Cheaper than Dirt is where most guys that really like guns go as you can get all the parts you need. Cabela's lets you fondle them and will have prices better than most gun shops. And ordering a gun online or from a shopping channel will have to be picked up with the added fees at a local gun dealer anyways so unless they are 30-50% less on everything than normal sources it will be an epic failure of a channel.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
The juxtaposition of 24-Hour Shopping Channel and "I don't really know that it's going to put more guns on the streets." makes my brain hurt.
Unless they plan to deal in 100% used merchandise, that' pretty much exactly what it's going to do.
>> debut might seem remarkably ill-timed, given recent shootings at a Planned Parenthood in Colorado Springs and at a social services center in San Bernardino, California
The market for this channel (hunters, rural or suburban gun owners) isn't the demographic that kills for its political beliefs (Planned Parenthood), religious beliefs (San Bernardino), shoots up schools, or is involved in street gangs. Selling more guns and accessories to these folks won't increase violence one iota.
Appealing to to the gun-loving middle-aged fanatic compensating for his other "piece" not working so well.
Something like "doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results?"
Yeah. In Soviet Russia, they'd shoot this TV.
First it became a Dice-infested shithole. Next, the partisan hacks moved in. I've been here since before it was called Slashdot. Today I deleted my account. So long, and fuck you.
It's the realization that government is not here to protect us, and has no intent on solving the terrorism problem.
Citizens must take up the job that government has abdicated and provide for their own safety.
Let us not forget that the government has the constitutional duty to protect Americans that it is failing at miserably. It's failing at feeding the hungry, housing the poor, and providing jobs for the jobless.
And before you fly off the handle, I'm a liberal. I'm proud of it. I believe it does take a village to properly raise and socialize a child. I believe that things that are common needs to all people should be handled by a centralized government provider. These things only make sense.
Defending Americans and providing for our safety is another one of those duties. Americans should be safe anywhere they go inside our borders, not only from terrorists, but from criminals. Government has done nothing to solve either problem, so we must resort, in the meantime at least, to providing for our own safety and individual defense.
So yes, I'm one of those people who has gone out recently and obtained a firearm and training to use it - because my President turned out to be such a pussy. You can't have a strong central government without a strong leader. Obama is anything but. I'll hold my breath and vote for Hillary, but I fear she will be just as spineless since she can't even utter the words "radical Islam."
Yes, I may be a tree-huggin' hippie leftist, but I'm also realistic and I'm not afraid to call a spade a spade.
"Valerie Castle and Doug Bornstein, are set to premier GunTV, a new 24-Hour shopping channel for guns" " I don't really know that it's going to put more guns on the streets." I'm pretty sure those two things are mutually exclusive. I'm not sure how them selling a metric shit ton of more guns will not put more guns on the street, unless they are being very specific. Not many people store their guns on the street, so maybe that's their angle.
"Guns Are for Pussies,"
Timothy Kreider, February 8, 2013
One of several reasons why the “debate” over guns, like a lot of other debates in this country, has been so intractable for so long is that neither side trusts in the other’s honesty or good faith. Each side believes its own stated arguments to be, quite simply and truthfully, their real arguments, and sees their opponents’ arguments as transparent smokescreens for their "real," more insidious agendas.
In my more charitable moods I ascribe gun owners’ passionate attachment to these weapons to fear. Their fear is grotesquely distorted--cultivated by the media and exacerbated by their own chosen propaganda--and guns are a delusional means of placating that fear, a semiautomatic security blanket. But fear is at least a motive I can empathize with. But I also suspect that some gun owners are driven by something deeper and creepier—a kind of castration anxiety or overcompensation, for which guns serve as fetish objects.
It’s clear enough to me that gun-owners’ need for their guns is just that—not a liking or a right but a need, something irrational and scary, the sort of thing that, when you try to take it away, makes them not just sorry or mad but frantic, insane, dangerous. They remind me of those types on the other end of the political spectrum for whom the legalization of hemp is the single most important issue in the United States today. It’s not that I disagree with those guys, exactly--our nation’s drug laws are ridiculous and unjust, a waste of resources and a crime against all the people in prison for a piddling offense, and by now pretty much everyone from the President of the United States on down has done bong hits, so it obviously should’ve been legalized decades ago--it’s just that I don’t think any of those perfectly valid reasons are the real reason the issue is so important to them. It’s because they’re addicts. In fact gun advocates' behavior is scarily similar to that of addicts when you try to gently divest them of their required substance: they offer up every good argument in the world why this thing is harmless, beneficial, even, it's vitally necessary, a God-given right, and it’s none of your goddamn business anyway, until finally they abandon all pretense of debate and bare their teeth and start foaming at the mouth threatening to kill someone.
It’s sort of a pro forma convention of editorials about gun control to insert a disclaimer about how you, the author, grew up in some backward gun-happy Red state and owned your first rifle when you were twelve and enjoyed many happy hours sitting in a duck blind with your grandpap. Unfortunately my parents were Mennonites and pacifists and I grew up thinking of people who owned handguns as fearful and weak, and of people who killed animals for fun as sick. To be fair, I have met some gun owners in adult life who’ve given me cause to moderate these judgments, like my friend Randy, who worked with me going door-to-door for the environment back in the day, campaigns for local Democratic candidates, and makes his own excellent barbecue sauce, and once shot a 600-pound boar, an animal so large there was literally not one room in his house big enough to contain its mounted head. Or Erik, who is cooler than me for many, many reasons, including, obviously, having the same name as the Phantom of the fucking Opera, as well as being the front man of a punk band, a Baltimore City public school teacher, and a collector of Orwell first editions, but also because he has a sleek steel G-man briefcase that turns out to contain several handguns cushioned in custom-contoured foam rubber, including a .357 Magnum, the kind Dirty Harry uses.
Erik once took me to an indoor shooting range in Baltimore, where I got to fire a rented Thompson gun (it’s Baltimore—you can do anything there). I was
Now, I could be different from most gun owners, but I don't really see the draw for something like this. As the summary notes, if a firearm were purchased like this it would have to be shipped to an FFL that the buyer could pick it up from, but most FFLs charge a fee for handling transfers like this. And for me, before I purchase a firearm I want to hold it and inspect it. Even when I have purchased firearms off the internet the actual transaction was done in person so I was able to inspect the weapon before completing the transaction. Also, in the case of (most)gun shops, you know exactly what gun you are buying because the saleman takes it off the rack or shelf and hands it to you for you to look at, then will walk it over to the register or process the transaction there. I really would not want to purchase a firearm sight unseen.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
If all it does is get people to buy from them instead of other stores then it won't put any more guns on the street than would have already been there.
Generally, people who buy guns legally aren't putting them on the street, They get too dirty there. When I buy guns, they come in the mail, get cleaned, and then get locked in my safe.
Im getting pretty tired of people like me who want to own firearms being branded as a public menace because of some assholes who steal or smuggle weapons and cause mayhem with them.
Society frowns upon the notion that Muslim=terrorist, I don't get how it's ok to keep spewing that Gun owner = public menace.
Its easy to pick on us to gain political sway. every time something happens the media and politicians come after us because it makes them look good without having to actually do anything hard, like address the root cause of the problem.
Which piece(s) information was/were incorrect?
The boom has lately been helped by a drumbeat of mass shootings, whose attendant anxiety has only driven more people into the gun store.
Which is among the most bizarre reactions ever. I'm amazed how many people have the delusion that they are going to defend themselves with a gun despite the clear evidence that it almost never actually happens. Do you really want to live in a world where everyone is packing at all times? I sure don't. I have no problem against people owning firearms (I have some myself) but I think everybody arming themselves out of fear is anything less than insane.
The proposed schedule of programming allots an eight-minute segment each hour to safety public service announcements in between proposed segments on topics like women's concealed weapon's apparel, big-game hunting and camping.
Which is pretty much akin to Anheuser-Busch having anti-drunk driving messaging right after an ad showing how much fun you'll have with their product. More than a little hypocritical and arguably a mixed message. The NRA is nothing more than a (very effective) lobbying arm of the firearms industry. It's remarkable how many people have bought into their propaganda.
"The vast majority of people who own and use guns in this country, whether it's home protection, recreation or hunting, are responsible . I don't really know that it's going to put more guns on the streets."
The fact that most gun owners are responsible is true but irrelevant. The problem is that some people ARE killers and we can't tell who they are in most cases prior to them putting bullets into people. It just takes one unhinged person to commit a mass murder. You can do all the background checks you want but they aren't perfect and the simple fact is that would-be criminals continue to have easy access to firearms and continue to commit murders at an alarming rate. It is simply ludicrously easy for mentally ill people to get firearms and ammunition and groups like the NRA fight even the most reasonable efforts to contain the problem tooth and nail.
Yeah!
O'bummer's been going to take er guns for years!
You know, maybe "shooting enthusiasts" aren't as firmly grounded in reality as you keep telling yourselves.
Maybe you shouldn't be trusted with deadly weapons.
Ah, to live in a rational world...
Have we really failed to progress so much that TV Shopping is still a viable thing? No browseability, no price comparisons, not enough resolution for detailed tables, options lists, specs, etc? Are there people just sitting on their couches, credit card in hand, waiting for some guy on the TV to wave a gun and tell them what number to call to Order Now, Supplies are Limited!
Between Ye Olde in-person purchases, catalogs, and the internet; who is buying from what is basically a stream of infomercials? Especially modestly expensive gear like guns; surely you do a little looking around, rather than just impulse-buying whatever happens to be in front of you?
What a lot of techies who are largely city folk don't realize is that there is a huge market for this in the rest of the country. The NRA is in a full-on marketing push scaring people into buying guns because they're worried about gun control even being talked about. I think something like a gun shopping channel might push some people who are on the fence into buying weapons "for protection" -- mild-mannered exurban moms or dads might be persuaded by a "think of your children" sales pitch, especially if you didn't actually have to go to a gun store.
I'm a realist when it comes to gun control. I dislike guns and would never own one, but I also realize that once something is written in the Constitution, no matter how it's interpreted, it will never get removed. The NRA is a huge pro-gun lobby, and most gun owners are quite anti-government, so I think any attempt to roll this back would end up causing a civil war. I think the pro-gun crowd would be saying "guns don't kill people, people do" even if we had 5 or 10 workplace shootings a day. Do I like it? No, but changing it would be too much effort against a powerful adversary.
I am a fairly liberal sort of guy and have never touched a firearm, let alone owned one. I also think that guns should be limited to those who not only pass a *yearly* criminal background check but also should not be allowed for anyone who undergoes psychiatric admission to a hospital, even if it is voluntary.
That being said, I have no problem with this sort of show and might actually watch some of it.
Could be fun seeing the different types of guns and associated paraphernalia, and differing laws on what is legal to buy in different counties.
Help! I'm a slashdot refugee.
If this shows up on my cable box, it'll be the first channel I ever bothered to block (aka Parental or whatever). First, tho' I'll call Xfrackity and threaten to terminate all services if they don't kill the channel entirely.
Won't help, but it'll make me feel better.
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It's called Guns for Youth. I'm going to take unused guns from gun owners and dispute them to underprivileged inner city youth.
I think this would really go a long way in helping sooth the open wounds from years of increasing harsh gun control laws.
I'm going to contact these guys and see if they want to donate any unsold stock.
Although few would accuse Slashdot of anything even remotely resembling "good journalism", blatantly editorializing right in the FP comes off as just a smidge gauche.
The factual correctness of the writeup has no connection with its blatantly biased tone.
I can see how bullets are gun-related. Same with holsters and other accessories. But why two-way radios?
An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.
I don't care who said it. That quote is demonstrably false and the notion behind it is asinine. If you really need a gun to get people to speak "politely" to you then you are doing something REALLY wrong.
Billy Mays here for Glock. Act now and get your Glock 19 with a FREE carrying case! But wait there's more....
Can't wait for the first accidental shooting right on the air.
It's *going* to happen. More people are accidentally wounded by their own guns than *any* other form of gun violence. It's sad to say, but the vast majority of gun owners don't know squat about how to handle a gun.
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
It is very well known that every mass shooting actually creates a spike in gun sales, run on the ammunition stores. My friends, yes I do have a few gun enthusiast/nutcase friends, were complaining that they could not get any ammo, especially 0.22 after Newtown.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
Can we please have it hosted by those crazy hillbillies from the sword show pleasepleaseplease?
What bias do you claim to see?
I suspect people with different political opinions may see a bias in the opposite direction from the one you perceive.
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Doesn't matter at all if the majority of gun owners are responsible or not. It's simple, the more guns available the more easily they are available the more there will be on the streets. If there were heavy restrictions on how to get a gun and who could have one, first thing that would happen is gun production would drastically drop. Once production drops, then start destroying any and all guns seized from illegal activities. Yes, bad guys will still get them, but it will be harder.
I've watched a lot of crime documentaries. One common theme, in America and a lot of other countries, criminals have easy access to guns because of the absolute total number available. However, a large portion of Europe, getting your hands on guns is not so easy. Yes, bad people still get them, but I was surprised to see criminal organizations in England using knives and other blunt instruments as their weapon of choice over guns, well because getting your hand on a gun is rather difficult there.
I'm sorry, but our gun manufacturers and the NRA and the conservatives and the gun enthusiasts are just plain 100% wrong on all accounts. Restrict access to guns and you will reduce the number on the streets. It's really that simple. I'm someone who was raised with guns, enjoy shooting them and will continue to enjoy shooting them for the rest of my life, but we need major change and heavy regulation on the types of guns and who can own them.
(Your fucking) God fucking bless fucking America.
Religous speak to God. Insane are spoken to by God. When all shut up, one can finally hear Shostakovich in peace
Clear evidence? Hate to say it, but even the Department of Justice under Clinton (no friend of lawful gun owners) says there are several million defensive uses of firearms per year.
"Several million"? Did you actually read what you linked to? It directly contradicts what you are claiming. The estimates from a variety of sources vary wildly and many are no where near the millions. Furthermore the numbers were from a PHONE SURVEY which is detailed in the document. If you think that is a reliably way to estimate this problem you don't understand the problems with phone surveys. If you need to see a badly designed survey look no further. The numbers from these surveys are easily demonstrated to be nonsense. It says point blank that the estimates you indicate are clearly nonsense.
Fear doesn't respond to evidence.
Which is why we need policies that aren't based on fear. People are going to be afraid sometimes and our laws should help them engage in evidence based good practices. Sadly our leaders are too often willing to pander to fear to obtain power rather than work to eliminate the need for the fear.
The ONLY SOLUTION to the growing problem of mass killings (not a growing problem in America, but the world) is more armed civilians that are protectors, not attackers.
The attackers will always be able to get weapons. The police will ALWAYS be either few in number or not present at the time of an incident...
At this point, every citizen of every country has a moral obligation to arm themselves and carry when possible - even if in direct violation of any law or directive from the place you are visiting.
Any other response will leave more innocents dead.
Before some idiot gets the idea this response is out of fear, it is not - it is out of simple rational analysis of what can help. Just as I put on a seatbelt because of what may happen, I think it's a good idea to go armed because of what may happen. Not that it is likely, but it will help if there is a problem.
Remember that every second an attacker spends attacking you is a second they do not have to carefully aim at someone hiding on the floor or under a table, a second more time for police to reach your area in numbers enough to help.
I don't understand how so many people on a site like Slashdot are against simple common sense of arming more citizens, when they would not bat an eye when proclaiming that defense in depth was a sound strategy for computer security...
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Bias has nothing to do with "factual inaccuracies".
If I don't like person A I can generate a nice long article containing every (legitimate and true) bad thing about them never listing any virtue and paint them as a bad person, when that might not be the case at all. The article wouldn't be untrue - just biased.
"People who think they know everything are very annoying to those of us who do."-Mark Twain
How can any sensible person agree that it is prudent to deny any constitutional right based on a list that:
#1 Is not public domain.
#2 Has no real process of removal.
#3 Has no real specification for entry.
I can't believe we have a president that believes the public is so stupid as to place trust into an organization that repetitively breaks the laws it was designed to uphold.
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CTD has done horrible price-gouging in past "black gun" and "ammo shortage" scares, so I wouldn't give them the time of day, let alone my business.
It's called "supply and demand".
When there is a sudden spike in demand, and those bidding don't want to order for later delivery, after more are made, because they are hedging the possibility that no more WILL be made, sellers would be stupid to keep the price below market-clearance and run out of stock, when they could both make more money for themselves and route the available stock to those for whom having product NOW is important enough to pay the premium.
If "Cheaper Than Dirt" tracks the market on the downslope, too, giving good service and better-than-the-competition prices (going for the fast nickels rather than the slow dimes), I have no problem whatsoever if they track it up on the occasional peak - and maybe still have some stock available when there's a crunch. The money from the perceived "gouging" can help support their low prices at other times. (Or it can support their lifestyle or other projects: It's their choice.)
If you don't like their prices today, don't buy today. If you don't like their policies, of course, you're always welcome to shop elsewhere. That's the "free" part of a free market.
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"Intel debuted its new Core i9 CPU today. This seems remarkably ill-timed, given recent attacks on Tokyo and LA by giant killer robots sporting intel inside stickers."
Yep, perfectly neutral tone. Just reporting the facts, ma'am!
My wife and I have a Bernie Sanders yard sign out front... and we also own guns, and we have concealed carry permits. If Fios offers the channel, we'll check it out.
Were car shows ill-timed after the car murder at SXSW?
Well, I'm spending too much time at the computer: I thought that this headline was about GnuTV. I got really excited.
And then I got really mad.
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Admissions to ER are even filed under "other" because there aren't enough for their own category. Injury during organized shooting is rather rare. Injury on a TV show with insurance people setting the rules will be quite rare too.
I have been here for nearly 20 years. I am such a right wing partisan that Slashdot only lets me post once a day, so I have to post anonymously. If I have helped you make this decision I am glad.
Next up, BombTV. Followed by WmdTV. I can't wait.
I didn't say it wasn't biased, nor did I say that the bias and factual correctness are connected. wolfgang_spangler claimed the summary was ill-informed in addition to being bias-filled, and I was asking which bits of information were bad.
Every time there is a shooting we get the same response. The news media reports it, endlessly, for days and days. While appearing to be objective they are actually promoting the liberal gun control agenda. All the while, inciting fear among the unwashed masses. Then Obama steps up and essentially blames the American people for these Islamic nut jobs that are running around killing people. First of all, gun ownership is a right of citizenship. It's in the constitution. This makes us unique from other countries. If the American people don't like it we can amend the constitution. But that is the only way it can change. Secondly, suppose for a moment that the constitution did get amended and restrictions are put on gun ownership. Which ones get banned and which ones are not? How many can you own? Are the rules different for people that have children in the house? Should people that drink alcohol be allowed to own a gun? Who decides all of this? The same collection of Washington clowns that have fucked up everything else, that's who. I just find it hilarious, and more than a little hypocritical, that the same set of liberal politicians that are calling for gun control are protected by Secret Service people carrying what...slingshots? No, they carry guns. And the same set of idiots lecturing us about SUV's are driving around in armored vehicles that probably get less than 10 MPG. And the same set of people railing about how we need to give money to the poor strangely never seem to give much of their own money to the cause. No, that's left up to people like Chaney and Trump and Romney. That's right - those people give millions of dollars of their own money to charitable causes every year. Their own money. Quite a bit different than the standard rich liberal prick who stands up there asking for YOUR money, while giving little or none of their own.
Do they give an IQ and Psychological profile before hand?
"Intel debuted its new Core i9 CPU today. This seems remarkably ill-timed, given recent attacks on Tokyo and LA by giant killer robots sporting intel inside stickers."
Yep, perfectly neutral tone. Just reporting the facts, ma'am!
1. This is the New York Times. However biased the summary may be, it's not as biased as... the New York Times. Most papers have a political slant of one kind or another. The Times is... extreme... in this regard. A lot of bias, a lot of clickbait. I assume it got desperate to buoy sagging circulation numbers and chose to gave up some principles.
2. The analogy you make about them does not show bias. A gun is designed to kill. An Intel processor is a general-purpose tool. It's like the difference between selling pressure cookers and selling grenades.
I want to know if all the bad apostrophes in the summary were applied with a belt-fed apostrophe gun. Putting that many in by hand would have taken ages.
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A TV channel for selling guns? What a ridiculous idea. Who the hell watches TV any more????
Well, maybe it's not so stupid: conservatives do tend to be rather backwards in a lot of ways.
Utter nonsense. Do you propose all the "good guys" wear some sort of jacket that shows they're one of the good guns? When everybody shoots each other because they all appear to be the active shooter, that's a hellscape I have no interest in being anywhere near.
Great. Just what we need. Yet more guns to throw into this volatile mix. America! Fuck, yeaaah!!!
Every time there is a shooting we get the same response. The news media reports it, endlessly, for days and days. While appearing to be objective they are actually promoting the liberal gun control agenda. All the while, inciting fear among the unwashed masses.
Exactly. And, the next pathetic little sociopathic malcontent in the shallow end of the gene pool realizes "Doh... I can get all my grievances against [list of things they don't like] aired -- On NATIONAL NEWS!!! Endlessly! By going on a shooting spree! Everyone in the WHOLE WORLD will know how horribly put upon I have been!"
If the people who instantly jump up demanding gun bans really wanted to break this chain of violence, the way to do it would be to quit giving the people who do this everything they want -- extravagant publicity. Enforce a blackout on the incidents. Make it a high-grade 20-to-life felony to publicize them. Make Examples, news anchors and newspaper editors doing hard time for refusing to obey the law.
What's that? Constitution? But they've already established that they consider the Constitution meaningless compared to "doing something" to "feel safe."
Note the title of this posting before flying too far off the handle. More seriously... Demonstrate, specifically, how the proposed law would have stopped this specific attack. Otherwise, I'm not listening.
Let's see what's on /. today...
/. the editors who post bullshit clickbait or the users that give them every incentive to do so?
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Who's killing
Are you really so stupid? If someone starts killing innocent people it's pretty easy to figure out who is who, no special jacket required.
The really amusing thing is that now in a number of cases, in fact the bad guys ARE putting on a special jacket showing who they are - tactical combat vest with bulletproof vest under... so in a way you were accidentally making a good point, just not in the way that you thought.
If you have no interest in being in this "hellscape" move somewhere where you will be slaughtered indiscriminately if that makes you feel safer.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Why are we bowing down to illegal laws?
I feel fantastic, and I'm still alive.
How stricter laws will help with mass shootings. If anything having more people, trained and allowed to carry a gun will help, by making sure that these assholes drop dead before they police even shows up in the area.
These days whenever I go to a place with a lot of people, I find myself wishing there are people with concealed carry permit to fight back in case of a mass shooting incident.
A police chief (IIRC) in New York recently said "please carry, help us stop these mass murders". So I think your idea is catching on...
"An armed society is a polite society." - Robert Heinlein
I feel fantastic, and I'm still alive.
Fear doesn't respond to evidence.
Which is why we need policies that aren't based on fear. [...]
The NRA will never allow that.
Do you really think Gun TV is going to spend all of their time selling hand guns?
No. This is TV. They will sell assault weapons.
Do we really need that?
Are you really so stupid? If someone starts killing innocent people it's pretty easy to figure out who is who, no special jacket required.
The really amusing thing is that now in a number of cases, in fact the bad guys ARE putting on a special jacket showing who they are - tactical combat vest with bulletproof vest under... so in a way you were accidentally making a good point, just not in the way that you thought.
If you have no interest in being in this "hellscape" move somewhere where you will be slaughtered indiscriminately if that makes you feel safer.
Yeah right! someone that just shows up on a scene and sees an armed woman or man shooting at someone is NOT going to wonder if they are shooting innocents or a violent attacker. They are going to assume it is a nutcase and if armed will probably shoot them too as they will be afraid they are the next victim. Most humans are NOT rational in a crisis.
because a constitution written in the 1700's by people that lacked the vision to perceive of the damage that nutjobs combined with modern technology could perpertrate. Is it really so much to ask that violent, mentally ill or otherwise dangerous individuals not be allowed to walk into a shop and walk out fully armed.
Americans have proven themselves time and time again to be too fucking stupid to follow simple rules. So why should the second amendment be followed?
The police will not be there, they just show up after to put you in a body bag, just like the 14 people killed in CA.
I hear that multiple-shootings (and other acts of terror, insanity, or political action by violent means) in the US have also declined substantially. (Don't have a footnote handy or I wouldn't have hedged the statement, but it squares with my personal experience.)
How many multiple-shootings did you experience in past years, and how many this year?
You want a personal anaecdote? OK:
The building where I worked (at a research institution the lefties thought was responsible for a lot of Vietnam era military technology, including remote sensing equipment used in the detection and assassination of Che Guevara) was bombed in 1968 (one of a series of bombings in the town at the time). The bomb was placed in the doorway I customarily entered through, and went off at about the time I would normally have been entering. Fortunately, I was down (very!) sick that day. Given the bus schedules and the timing of the explosion, if the bomber also used the bus I probably would have been getting off as he got on.
The bomber has never been formally identified, apprehended, and prosecuted - though a particular figure in The Weathermen (NOT Bill Ayres) was believed to be responsible.
I haven't had any bombings, politically inspired or otherwise, happen near me this year. B-)
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
Threatening the president isn't mentioned in the first amendment but that is still illegal despite our "freedom of speech" so get over it, shit head.
This TV Station goes right along with Thomas Jefferson's comments!
Democrats should be all on board with what he believed. They are after all the "Party of Jefferson".
"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
- Thomas Jefferson
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one."
- Thomas Jefferson (1764), quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria in "On Crimes and Punishment."
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks."
- Thomas Jefferson to Peter Carr, 1785. The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, (Memorial Edition) Lipscomb and Bergh, editors.
"One loves to possess arms, though they hope never to have occasion for them."
- Thomas Jefferson to George Washington, 1796. The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, (Memorial Edition) Lipscomb and Bergh, editors.
"We established however some, although not all its [self-government] important principles . The constitutions of most of our States assert, that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves, in all cases to which they think themselves competent, (as in electing their functionaries executive and legislative, and deciding by a jury of themselves, in all judiciary cases in which any fact is involved,) or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed;"
- Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824. Memorial Edition 16:45, Lipscomb and Bergh, editors.
"No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution, 1776.
"[E]very able-bodied freeman, between the ages of sixteen and fifty, is enrolled in the militia... The law requires every militia-man to provide himself with the arms usual in the regular service."
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, Quivery IX
Oh don't forget George Washington stood for a 2nd Amendment too.....
"Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American peopleâ(TM)s liberty teeth and keystone under independence ⦠from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurrences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable ⦠the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference â" they deserve a place of honor with all thatâ(TM)s good."
- George Washington, First President of the United States
"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference â" they deserve a place of honor with all thatâ(TM)s good."
- George Washington
And James Madison and John Adams....
"[The Constitution preserves] the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation...(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms."
- James Madison,The Federalist Papers, No. 46.
"To suppose arms in the hands of citizens, to be used at individual discretion, except in private self-defense, or by partial orders of towns, countries or districts of a state, is to demolish every constitution, and lay the laws prostrate, so that liberty can be enjoyed by no man; it is a dissolution of the government. The fundamental law of the militia is, that it be created, directed an
The Truth is a Virus!!!
This TV Station goes right along with Thomas Jefferson's comments!
Democrats should be all on board with what he believed. They are after all the "Party of Jefferson".
"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
- Thomas Jefferson
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one."
- Thomas Jefferson (1764), quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria in "On Crimes and Punishment."
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks."
- Thomas Jefferson to Peter Carr, 1785. The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, (Memorial Edition) Lipscomb and Bergh, editors.
"One loves to possess arms, though they hope never to have occasion for them."
- Thomas Jefferson to George Washington, 1796. The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, (Memorial Edition) Lipscomb and Bergh, editors.
"We established however some, although not all its [self-government] important principles . The constitutions of most of our States assert, that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves, in all cases to which they think themselves competent, (as in electing their functionaries executive and legislative, and deciding by a jury of themselves, in all judiciary cases in which any fact is involved,) or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed;"
- Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824. Memorial Edition 16:45, Lipscomb and Bergh, editors.
"No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution, 1776.
"[E]very able-bodied freeman, between the ages of sixteen and fifty, is enrolled in the militia... The law requires every militia-man to provide himself with the arms usual in the regular service."
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, Quivery IX
Oh don't forget George Washington stood for a 2nd Amendment too.....
"Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American peopleâ(TM)s liberty teeth and keystone under independence ⦠from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurrences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable ⦠the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference â" they deserve a place of honor with all thatâ(TM)s good."
- George Washington, First President of the United States
"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference â" they deserve a place of honor with all thatâ(TM)s good."
- George Washington
And James Madison and John Adams....
"[The Constitution preserves] the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation...(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms."
- James Madison,The Federalist Papers, No. 46.
"To suppose arms in the hands of citizens, to be used at individual discretion, except in private self-defense, or by partial orders of towns, countries or districts of a state, is to demolish every constitution, and lay the laws prostrate, so that liberty can be enjoyed by no man; it is a dissolution of the government. The fundamental law of the militia is, that it be created, dire
Actually you can threaten the president - and as long as the Secret Service finds no credible threat - you walk away clean. I know a few people that have done this. It's only a minor inconvenience.....
Sounds like a pretty good setup, and no hunter I know is going to sit in front of the tube to find a weapon. Jesus. There's a dozen other things my 'Il lady's got on a list the length of your arm. You think I'm going to wait around until that AR comes around again? Shit. Order the parts. Build it. Done.
I'm kind of working on something like that but it's not coming along as rapidly as I'd like. My goal is to write down the really bad things I've ever done on one side of a piece of paper. On the other side is what I've learned from each of those things and how they've changed my outlook in life and my political views. Then, if there's room, a bit about how I'd vote and why I'd listen to the constituents instead of just voting however I felt. I might need a third sheet of paper and I'm not sure what to do with the back of that paper.
Why? Err... In 2016 I will be, it's a near certainty now, running for office. Chances are very good that you can't vote for me but I still am (hopefully) not using this as a speech medium to encourage folks to vote my way. Hell, I kind of hope they *don't* read this sort of stuff but I'm okay with my posts being opened up to scrutiny. Taken out of context, they'll be horrible. Oh well... Fortunately, it's a pretty rural and very relaxed area. I know scads of people and they'll probably chuckle. I don't really want the job but the current person is not doing a very good job and I've been asked to run by a number of folks which is how I got started on this path.
Frankly, I've far more interesting things to do with my time and this is why I have to be home in the spring and going to actually have to wake up at regular hours.
At any rate, you're spot on about people being able to write things with biases and be completely factual. You can factually state that I've done drugs, I've used drugs via IV, I've done loads illegal drugs, I've operated a motor vehicle while intoxicated, and that I'm generally an asshole. Oh, and I swear sometimes. I've also had sex outside of wedlock and am not a Christian. You could even say that I have drugs in my system right this very minute. All of which would be perfectly honest.
Which is why I've concluded that if I just tell them all the bad things that I've done so far then the press won't have a whole lot to dig up about me and surprise the voters with. Honesty has its benefits, hopefully (sort of). See, I'm not actually sure I want to win. I really do not want the job but I'll do it to the best of my ability should I be elected. I really do have far more interesting things to occupy my life - even posting to Slashdot is fun for me.
At any rate, negate bias with full disclosure perhaps?
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
I own, what some might call, an obscene number of firearms. As in, I have multiple safes full of 'em - like a couple of walls in a room dedicated to them and that room also has its own special steel door with a frame embedded into the concrete kind of room. In fact, I've posted at least one or two pics online. I mean, seriously, I love my firearms. I have bulk-ordered crates of ammunition.
I say that to say this... I read the summary and, while I commented on bias up-thread, I really don't see much bias in this at all. It's all pretty topical and gives some interesting things to discuss. It doesn't even seem particularly slanted against firearms. It seems reasonably fair and balanced. It doesn't portray this as a negative but does imply that it may be received negatively by some but that's a certainty in this environment.
I dunno... If you look in the closet for monsters and see nothing but darkness, that doesn't mean there are monsters in there that you can't see.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
Being able to own guns is the last remaining freedom that terrorists hate. All the other amendments of the constitution no longer gaurentee freedom anymore, so as the president said, don't let the terrorists win, go out and shop, for guns.
"Intel debuted its new giant robot shopping channel today. This seems remarkably ill-timed, given recent attacks on Tokyo and LA by giant killer robots sporting Intel Inside stickers."
Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.
Bwahahaha hello from Australia where dickwads like you wouldn't be allowed to own a gun.
Poor ammosexuals, how dare anyone threaten your penis extension?
At this point, every citizen of every country has a moral obligation to arm themselves and carry when possible
Even babies? Who protects the babies? What about the disabled or mentally unstable? How about old people? Does your theory allow for armed escorts for all of those incapable of arming themselves?
Of course we know that universal arming doesn't work (see a battelfield for examples), but we do know that disarming does have positive results. Less guns means less gun violence.
I don't understand how so many people on a site like Slashdot are against simple common sense of arming more citizens, when they would not bat an eye when proclaiming that defense in depth was a sound strategy for computer security...
If your endpoint protection was more likely to hose your system and those of your family than protect it, then most people wouldn't use it. Same concept.
People are more polite in line at the grocery store than, on the internet.
No they are not. They might appear to be more polite but I assure you that it is a facade. They are still thinking the same things and their rudeness might be more nuanced but they are the same rude assholes they are online.
You can punch someone in the grocery store, or haunt them well into the parking lot, maybe even on the ride home.
And go to jail for assault and battery or stalking or harrassment. At no point however was a firearm involved or necessary.
Yes, we're doing it really wrong, but that doesn't entirely void the logic.
Yes it does, at least with regard to everyone carrying a firearm. There is precisely zero requirement for people to carry firearms to ensure a polite society and there is plenty of evidence that wide availability of them results in a more violent society. There are plenty of examples of countries around the world with FAR more restrictive rules of firearms AND far lower rates of violent crime than the US. This isn't a coincidence. Politeness has nothing to do with everyone carrying firearms.
I can see it now. He gets elected by a landslide and the political wonks take notice. New strategy: "out-dirt" your competition.
"Oh, so he ran a prostitution ring? That's nothing - I'm a professional hit-man!"
Gives new meaning to the term "race to the bottom."
Are you really so stupid?
You really should be asking yourself that question. When bullets are flying from multiple people with guns you are NOT going to know the good guys from the bad guys. Only in your testosterone-fueled wet dreams does it go down the way you imagine.
If something seems remarkably ill-timed, what's biased about pointing this out?
It's not challenging the website, the service it offers, the needs it claims to meet, the prices it charges, the quality of the guns on offer. It's highlighting that this seems an awkward time to be advertising a shiny new gun store, given recent media stories relating to gun use.
You're far too fucking sensitive. Or stupid. Or both. Lets hope you're not a gun owner too.
Countries that regulate firearms strictly and prevent people from carrying without darn good reason have less gun murder and less mass shootings.
Not to mention, there's some idiot gun-owners out there. I've met some. I wouldn't want them at the scene of a mass shooting. If you just issue guns to people, or require them to get them, you're going to be giving deadly weapons to a lot of people who won't learn anything about gun safety or when and when not to use them.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
This is not about guns, but about dangerous levels of control.
To quote an old saying:
"Government is like a fire in your fireplace. It can make you very warm and comfortable, but if you let it get out of control it can destroy everything you value."
The new gun channel sounds interesting, though... 8-)
I'm kind of hoping there's a limit. The things I'm guilty of are things that are fairly common among the people who'd be electing me. However, yes, I could actually envision a situation were people competed to be the worst. In my case, I figured being open and honest was the best solution. It also helps to prevent surprises. I don't really have any great big skeletons in my closet because the closet door has been opened.
Some time back, probably 2008 or 2009, I was "doxxed." Someone posted my tax information online. It was pretty invasive feeling and I got some hate mail and things like that. I even got some snail mail. Most of that came from people who were pissed that I wasn't donating to their favorite cause or things like that. I donate a fair amount of money, the taxes show this, and I don't support groups like PETA or Greenpeace. I actually got hate mail for not doing so.
I'm sure the information is cached somewhere. I didn't over-react. I was already in the process of moving to a new location. I changed my phone numbers and my credit was already locked down. I know technology enough to know that I can't stop it and the genie doesn't go back in the bottle. It seemed really invasive even though tax information is public information.
I'm still unsure of how they compiled the information to get it but it was accurate and they did, at least, share it in unedited form so it was accurate. Yes, yes I donated a bunch of money and used it to reduce my tax burden. No, I did not support everyone's cause but spent it on causes that I approve of. I still do.
At any rate, the two may seem unrelated but it made me realize that, yeah, you can't please everyone and some folks just want to be pissed off. If I just tell you the reasons to be pissed off then it's easier than dealing with you saying that you not only are pissed off but that I was hiding that. It's not like they were going to like me no matter what I did and, in this case, they weren't going to vote for me.
Which, to make a short story long, is how I ended up deciding to go about creating this document for the purposes of informing people that I'll be on the ballot. I didn't, and still don't, have political aspirations but I've been asked to run by enough people and have decided that such is my duty. If they feel that I'm the right person for the job then I'll accept that position and do it to the best of my ability. If not then, well, I really have more interesting things to do with my time even if it means that I'm just sitting here and typing out long-winded replies on Slashdot.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
Why was this modded troll ?
AC is perfectly correct.
Civilised nations don't stand for the type of violent insanity the US condones without at least trying to do something about it.
That's why all my American friends who have left never want to go back, except for brief trips to see family.
They all commonly remark that they feel how Soviet defectors probably did, once they realise how they'd been lied to for so long living in the USA and how good it was outside of their "workers paradise".
Excellent debating skills in display there.
Yelling "fire" in a crowded theater will also result in legal consequences. Both these amendments don't say "talk and shoot however you want without consequence."
Owning a weapon isn't threatening anyone. Thus, your comparison of the first and second amendments is a faulty one. I make no claims about what type of matter makes up the space above your neck though.
I feel fantastic, and I'm still alive.