Slashdot Mirror

Really it isn't making things worse.
1. What about the people who's businesses depend on PayPal, Visa, or MasterCard?
2. What about the customers that just want to do their shopping?
And are you so foolish to think that innocent people that are getting financially hurt over this "unfairness" are going to support wikileaks and the protesters or they are going to support more governmental crack downs on such stupid vandalism?
Like I said it is the Watts Riots or the Zootsuit riots and not a useful protest.
It is harmful, dangerous, and frankly just downright stupid. Wikileaks now looks like the villian and is blackmailing the world.
And to put in completely in perspective on just how childish and harmful this vandalism is... Assange doesn't even support it!
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/12/10/assange-distances-wikileaks-cyber-attacks/
Yes I know it is fox news but they did do a telephone interview with his lawyer.

Boston Globe

Kansas Matters (w/ large AP story)

Fox News (appears to be the same as first, from the AP)

Huffinton Post

NYTimes (Economix blog)

allmilitary.com (Miami Herald article)

Another good one

A great one, a 1993 article from Reason

Orrin Hatch

This is from the first couple pages of the first two Google searches I tried. Not fucking hard to find.

Do you want to do carbon credits next? That one should be even easier.

You have no idea.

wonder if this means he plans on leveraging his 'Insurance' File to get out of this mess.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/12/05/wikileaks-ready-release-massive-insurance-file-shut/

Worse than just the erosion mentioned is the trial balloon being floated about full body scanners in trains and mass transit.

Never mind that its not illegal to carry some of the forbidden object on mass transit and all these liberties would have to be abridged in order to be of any value.

But the government raises the issue more so we will stop bitching about airports than any real expectation of getting these devices installed.

Every shopping bag must be searched. Every pocket emptied simply because you take the train to work, and the bus to the supermarket?

look at this gems:
Are Aliens Among Us? Sort of, NASA Says
NASA Finds Alien DNA in Californian Lake
NASA discovery to add new 'element' to life

In a recent survey, 40% of the American public said they would vote for her in a race against Obama. Apparently, the message that she's a quitter hasn't reached those folks. Wonder why.

The ammunition for this weapon has two explosive charges, front and back. My guess would be the first decelerates the projectile, and the second provides the lethal fragments. Have a look at the video here (linked in TFA): XM-25 rifle in action - it looks like it works pretty well to me.

It's quite absurd for you to call Iran dangerous; they haven't been at war for years.

You're joking right?

Longstanding Support for Terrorism

U.S. officials describe the Iranian regime as the world's "central banker of terrorism." Indeed, Tehran has a nine-figure line item in its budget to support terrorism, sending hundreds of millions of dollars to various groups each year; the payments to Hizballah alone are as much as $200 million annually. According to Canadian intelligence, "[I]n February 1999, it was reported that Palestinian police discovered documents that attest to the transfer of $35 million to Hamas from the Iranian Intelligence Service (MOIS), money reportedly meant to finance terrorist activities against Israeli targets." Illustrating how such support is part of official government policy, from 2001 to 2006, Iran transferred $50 million to Hizballah fronts in Lebanon by sending funds from its central bank through Bank Saderat's London subsidiary.

Iranian support for terrorism goes well beyond the financial realm, however. Its well-known sponsorship of Palestinian terrorist organizations, for example, has included training and related contributions. Shortly after the second intifada erupted in September 2000, the regime assigned Mughniyeh himself to help Palestinian militant groups. According to a former Clinton administration official, "Mughniyeh got orders from Tehran to work with Hamas"; he was tasked with assisting PIJ as well.

Similarly, according to the U.S. government, Iran's al-Qods Force -- a wing of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) -- has a "long history" of providing all types of support to Hizballah, including training, guidance, and arms. In addition to running training camps in Lebanon, al-Qods has trained more than 3,000 Hizballah operatives at its own facilities in Iran. The unit also played an important role in rearming Hizballah following the summer 2006 war with Israel. According to the Treasury Department, al-Qods has provided a wide variety of weapons and financial support to the Taliban as well, in support of the group's anti-coalition activity in Afghanistan.

Iran also keeps threatening to cut off the world's oil supply by closing the Straight of Hormuz.

Of course they are concerned that the US may invade since Iran has wealth to extract and won't play along with the US, so they're developing nuclear weapons.

That's a laugh. The US gets the oil it needs from other countries while Japan, China, and other US allies and friends buy Iran's oil. That also doesn't take into account the large oil reserves that the US has that are undeveloped.

No, the Iranian's have a very different outlook.
Ahmadinejad: Destroy Israel, End Crisis
Iran's missiles are ‘ready to destroy Israel’

“If this [an Israeli attack] happens, which, of course, we do not foresee, its ultimate result would be to expedite the last breath of the Zionist regime,” Ahmad Vahidi, the Iranian Defence Minister, said on state television.

Iran says can cut energy to Europe, hit enemies

“Iran is standing on 50 percent of the world’s energy and should it so decide Europe will have to spend the winter in cold,” Hossein Salami, deputy commander of the elite Revolutionary Guards, said in a meeting with war veterans and volunteers in Ker

Interesting article on the worm itself.

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/11/26/secret-agent-crippled-irans-nuclear-ambitions/?test=latestnews#content

"Intelligence agencies, computer security companies and the nuclear industry have been trying to analyze the worm since it was discovered in June by a Belarus-based company that was doing business in Iran. And what they've all found, says Sean McGurk, the Homeland Security Department's acting director of national cyber security and communications integration, is a “game changer.”"

Whatever happened to the new power grid that President Bush promised before and again after the great American blackout of 2003?

https://www.ferc.gov/eventcalendar/Files/20050608125055-grid-2030.pdf

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,94872,00.html

Nuclear? China has already started: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_the_People's_Republic_of_China#Future_projects

They've even started preparing their uranium supplies and stock piles: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/35c2d7ca-f8c7-11df-b550-00144feab49a.html

They're already building nuclear reactors for 40% cheaper than the French (using French designs).

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-11-24/china-builds-french-designed-nuclear-reactor-for-40-less-areva-ceo-says.html

Wonder if they're of similar quality, but if I were in charge of stuff in China's nuclear power program, I'd definitely be making sure there are no major screw ups.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/11/18/ex-china-nuclear-power-boss-given-life-sentence/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kang_Rixin

You can't count on your screw ups being rewarded with a bail-out or golden parachute there. High stakes.

I don't even think there's a "golden bullet" option in executions, even if your family is willing to pay extra for it ;).

You do know that your sig is wildly deceptive right? The statement in context is here, and is quite different from (say) Congressman Phil Hare saying he didn't care about the constitution.

Didn't they sue someone over the use of the word "Book" (teachersbook) or something like that? This was a common phrase to apply to a year book. This kind of stuff is just beyond me...nobody should be able to own common words or letters.

Yes, according to this link:

Facebook has been embroiled in a spate of trademark-fueled litigation in recent months, most recently a back and forth with parody site Lamebook. The company has also sued Teachbook and Placebook

So your case is that it is wrong to expect no innocent pregnant women or children to be shot at checkpoints, or adults murdered during interrogation by our military?
We're not talking about mistakes made in the heat of battle

You and your team are manning a traffic control point in Baghdad. A car is speeding toward you at 40 MPH - it will be on you in 20 seconds. It is ignoring the multitude of signs in Arabic and English warning that a checkpoint is ahead, to slowdown and stop, and that deadly force is authorized to enforce the checkpoint. You flash lights - no effect. You fire a warning shot with tracers - no effect. Now, do you:

A) Hold fire because it might be that 1 in 10,000 cars with a pregnant woman on her way to the hospital. (And you've had many vehicles with pregnant women stop before.)

B) Open fire to halt the car to avoid being killed in a bomb blast, attack, or whatever.

C) Run away and hope that you get out of the blast zone from a couple of hundred pounds of explosives (fat chance).

Your answer? A? Let's see what you won for you and your team!

So, we are, in fact, talking about things that happen, very quickly, at random times, by surprise, in the heat of battle, as a result of the driver not obeying signs and signals to stop, deliberate provocation, suicide by police, a tragic accident, or a deliberate attack.
And lets not forget that Al Qaeda and company have been known to force or trick people into attacks, including children and the mentally ill, or to hide a bomb in someone's vehicle and explode it remotely without them knowing about it. You will be just as dead from 10 kilograms of explosive in the hands of the mentally ill as you will be from 10 kilograms of explosives in the hands of a university trained electrical engineer turned suicide bomber.
Mentally Disabled Female Homicide Bombers Blow Up Pet Markets in Baghdad, Killing Dozens
Iraq: girl suicide bomber may have been forced into it by husband's "female relatives"

Expecting that American troops won't murder prisoners is reasonable. When a detainee has died (murder or otherwise), it has generally been investigated and, if warranted, the guilty punished. The US has safely processed and released many tens of thousands of detainees in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I'm curious... you seem comfortable slandering American troops, do you ever condemn Al Qaeda for any of the vile attacks they deliberately commit?

So your case is that it is wrong to expect no innocent pregnant women or children to be shot at checkpoints, or adults murdered during interrogation by our military?
We're not talking about mistakes made in the heat of battle

You and your team are manning a traffic control point in Baghdad. A car is speeding toward you at 40 MPH - it will be on you in 20 seconds. It is ignoring the multitude of signs in Arabic and English warning that a checkpoint is ahead, to slowdown and stop, and that deadly force is authorized to enforce the checkpoint. You flash lights - no effect. You fire a warning shot with tracers - no effect. Now, do you:

A) Hold fire because it might be that 1 in 10,000 cars with a pregnant woman on her way to the hospital. (And you've had many vehicles with pregnant women stop before.)

B) Open fire to halt the car to avoid being killed in a bomb blast, attack, or whatever.

C) Run away and hope that you get out of the blast zone from a couple of hundred pounds of explosives (fat chance).

Your answer? A? Let's see what you won for you and your team!

So, we are, in fact, talking about things that happen, very quickly, at random times, by surprise, in the heat of battle, as a result of the driver not obeying signs and signals to stop, deliberate provocation, suicide by police, a tragic accident, or a deliberate attack.
And lets not forget that Al Qaeda and company have been known to force or trick people into attacks, including children and the mentally ill, or to hide a bomb in someone's vehicle and explode it remotely without them knowing about it. You will be just as dead from 10 kilograms of explosive in the hands of the mentally ill as you will be from 10 kilograms of explosives in the hands of a university trained electrical engineer turned suicide bomber.
Mentally Disabled Female Homicide Bombers Blow Up Pet Markets in Baghdad, Killing Dozens
Iraq: girl suicide bomber may have been forced into it by husband's "female relatives"

Expecting that American troops won't murder prisoners is reasonable. When a detainee has died (murder or otherwise), it has generally been investigated and, if warranted, the guilty punished. The US has safely processed and released many tens of thousands of detainees in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I'm curious... you seem comfortable slandering American troops, do you ever condemn Al Qaeda for any of the vile attacks they deliberately commit?

This should help McDonald's manage their McNugget stock better. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,504125,00.html

Good. And before we judge if that seems too harsh a punishment, I would ask if anyone knows what the Chinese government would do to an American engineer who did the same thing to a Chinese company.

8 years

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/07/04/chinese-court-sentences-geologist-tortured-state-security-agents-years-jail-1624851947/

Like this http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529832,00.html No one remembers Vietnam either right? With little kids sent to walk up to troups while holding a grenade. Remember, no profiling allowed so everyone gets treated just the same by the TSA...

Not likely. This project has been around for several years now. Here's a story where they hope to get DARPA to pay for it. And it's was already around for years before that. The problem with it? Real time control. The plane would have to be able to direct it's own flight and research with minimal input from Earth becasue of the time lag in commands. Controlling a Global Hawk or Predator from half way around the world isn't tough. Flying a UAV on another planet? That's tough. Look what happened to poor Spirit.

He repeatedly drove home the idea that "this is not email," nor is it "an email killer."

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/11/15/gmail-beware-facebook-unveils-e-mail-service/

"E-MAIL WAR: Facebook Launches 'Gmail Killer' -- AOL Jumps In, Too"

Yum, sensationalism.

The UK does indeed have AIT body scanners. And in the UK, if you opt-out, you don't fly. That's right, decline to be porno scanned, and you are escorted off the premises. Currently, the UK (Heathrow and Manchester), and Amsterdam use them Italy is on track to install some within 3 months.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-11539723

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/01/07/europe-divided-use-body-scanners-airports/

I'm guessing he was talking about "The Lord's Resistance Army" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Resistance_Army) and the current oppression of homosexuals in Uganda:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti-Homosexuality_Bill
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/10/20/ugandan-embassy-defends-equal-rights-gay-list-appears-newspaper/

The current furor over homosexuality has been fueled by talks given by American Evangelicals there: "The bill was introduced several months after a visit by several American evangelicals, who spoke at a conference called the "Seminar on Exposing the Homosexual Agenda." One of them was Scott Lively, a pastor from Springfield, MA, who believes that countries like Uganda can still protect themselves from what he sees as the scourge of the gay agenda. "These are good Christians; better Christians than there are here in the states," says Lively. "They care about each other. And I think the reason they're pushing so hard on this law is that they don't want to see what happened to our country happen over there."
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/anti-homosexuality-bill-uganda-global-uproar/story?id=10045436

There's also the continuing problem of naming witches:
"African Children Denounced As "Witches" By Christian Pastors"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/18/african-children-denounce_n_324943.html

A quick look around shows that this story isnt on Fox, or MSNBC, or CNN, or ABC, or CBS, or igoogle feeds, or Yahoo

USA Today http://content.usatoday.com/communities/greenhouse/post/2010/11/white-house-edited-oil-drilling-report/1

One of many on CNN http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/10/report-white-house-edit-led-to-errant-claim-on-drilling-moratorium/

Wash Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/10/AR2010111007479.html

FOX http://nation.foxnews.com/offshore-oil-drilling/2010/11/10/wh-cheated-sell-its-drilling-ban

ABC http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=12112909

There are literally hundreds of articles on the subject. If you can't find it in the "mainstream press", then you aren't looking.

the software does, moron.

I think the story poster has a future at F.ear O.pression X.enophobia.

Yours In Akademgorodok,
Kilgore Trout

I'm a bit dubious about that after GM took government money from one source to pay off their other debt to the government, and claimed they had paid off their bailout, and also ignored the funds that weren't a loan in the first place.

Better have another look at your biology textbook.

The common cold is so hard to eradicate precisely because it mutates (evolves) all the time. Each cold you get is another variant, some from the hundreds that have been around a long time, others that appear via mutation.

http://www.worsleyschool.net/science/files/virus/page.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,311854,00.html
http://www.scienceclarified.com/Ti-Vi/Virus.html ...and more...

And then you'll be charged with battery.

Battery is defined as an unprivileged offensive touching. Since the passenger is not the one doing the touching he/she could not be charged with battery. Flatulence even if intentional would simply an offensive bodily function at an inopportune moment for the TSA worker. What made that case was that the guy was already under arrest and drunk his flatulence was obviously intentional and not doubt he though it was funny.

I'm lactose intolerant. I'll be sure to drink a glass of milk with my garlic eggs in the morning and make the experience a real unpleasant one for them. "Oops, sorry, when you hit the 'resistance' it caused me to jump and I let some gas out."

Believe me, the TSA employees will revolt against upper management if enough people fart in their face all fucking day long. You want to play fucking games, we'll play them right back.

And then you'll be charged with battery.

We haven't had a major terrorist incident in the US for a while. Why?

A: There hasn't been any credible ability to do so by the bad guys
B: Nobody wants to harm the US any more
C: The counterterrorism efforts have prevented such an attack
For ANY of the above choices, how do you know? I mean, REALLY know, not just guessing or trying to shout louder than the guy next to you whose opinion is different than yours?

Survey says....C!

Al Qaeda Video Asks Detroit-Area Muslims to Act
US warned of mail bomb terror tactic last month
Explosive found in Dubai, part of US terror probe
'US terrorist tried to bring slaughter to subway in Washington'
US man pleads guilty in 'South Park' terror threat
'US thrice shared non-specific inputs on Mumbai attack'
Terrorist in failed LAX attack violated prison release with gun purchase
14 Charged with Aiding Terror Group Al-Shabab
Former Staten Island Resident Nabbed in Attempt to Join Taliban
Feds: NYC Subway Plotters Targeted London, Too (From July)

And in other news....

Osama bin Laden threatens French troops, criticizes France burqa ban
Canadian sentenced for leading terrorism plot
Hotels need EU help to defend against attack
MI6 chief Sir John Sawers says secrecy is vital to keep UK safe
Eight Britons 'trained in Pakistan for European terror strikes'
New security threat at Commonwealth Games, police, army seize explosives
British bobbies get SAS training, new weapons in wake of Mumbai-style terror threats
Gunmen storm Parliament in Chechnya, 6 dead
Bomb on bus in Philippines kills 10, wounds 9
Saudis warn Europe of terr

Because he called for a civil war? Or are you just repeating what you think he said? I'm curious why you believe that, other than typical DRD4 soft-headedness.

Glenn Beck: Democrats are vampires "going after the blood of our businesses... Their thirst for power and control is unquenchable and there are only two ways for this to end: Either the economy becomes like the walking dead or you drive a stake through the heart of the bloodsuckers."

Miron Cristea: "The duty of a Christian is to love himself first and to see that his needs are satisfied. Only then can he help his neighbor... Why should we not get rid of these parasites [Jews] who suck Rumanian Christian blood? It is logical and holy to react against them."

It is difficult to not read those two quotes in the same light - the implication of the message is quite clear - that a certain group of people are a threat to you and your way of life, and it is up to you to do something about it. It is the classic strategy of identifying an "enemy", telling the people how bad that enemy is and what atrocities they are committing, and then standing back and watching what happens.

Maine for one. In fact, until the 1920s, many states allowed legal immigrants to vote in state elections. I don't see this a being particularly outrageous, actually. My father, for example, has been a resident alien (aka green card holder) in the US since the 1950s. He has a social security number, pays federal and state income taxes, social security taxes, local property taxes, automobile excise taxes, etc. Hell, he was drafted and served in the US army, but he cannot vote. He fully understands that he could very easily become a US citizen and earn that right, but he chooses instead to hang on to his national heritage.

The video includes several images of cars, showing suspicious cargo. No pictures of a scanned house, however.

This really causes me to question our Afghanistan policy even more. We, the US Geo Survey(?), found these mass deposits of rare earth metals/minerals and, at last read I believe, the Chinese are getting the rights to actually mine and produce the metals/minerals (cit: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/14/world/asia/14minerals.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all ) and (for those that like more of a "story" with your "news" cit: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/06/14/discovers-t-minerals-afghanistan/ ).

Am I way off here or should we not be keeping these rights? Not being a geologist, "IANAG", maybe these are completely different metals/minerals. If they are the same I believe we have every right to mine them ourselves. We have invested more than enough into Afghanistan to justify producing these reserves.

However it now becomes very interesting with China. I think most Americans forget how close to China our military is in Afghanistan.

Can anyone enlighten me if I am missing something since IANAG.

What you need are Prescription 3-D Glasses

When the summary of the article is cut and paste from FoxNews a part of my interest in Slashdot dies.. http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/10/13/government-spying-social-networks/

"Sir, about that planet, we've detected a flash of light."
"Captain, are you telling me they're testing nucular bombs?"
"No sir, just a flash of l--"
"Do you have any idea what the public will do when they discover the aliens are testing WMDs and we have no plan for dealing with them?"
"Sir, I was mistaken. There was no flash of light."
"Not good enough, captain."
"Sir, I was mistaken. There was no planet."
"That's more like it."

80? really? Wow, that's fast. I had to look that up for myself; here's a link: Texas Raises Rural Speed Limits to 80MPH.

"Send us any fishy e-mails about Obamacare that you get," anyone?

Seems like a similar concept, only on Twitter, instead of e-mail.

I can't wait for the researchers to conclude that liberal tweets are 100% true, and conservative tweets are astroturfing. And that the users who are all astroturfers remind them of Nazis, too.

It wasn't the phone company record that the call took place, it was her company record about what was discussed during the calls.

Her phone records that she presented investigators showed she had a pre-existing stop-loss order to sell the stock if it traded below $60, but others testified that was a lie fabricated after the illegal info was given to her. So, there's your obstruction. Yep, they couldn't prove the crime but could prove the cover-up.

Fire up the Wayback Machine, we're headed to March 4, 2004. Fox News, Forbes, USA Today

Convincing people to buy gold because the economy could collapse while simultaneously being a paid spokesman for a company that buys gold and melts it is a bit asshatish...don't you think?

I thought Beck's economic terror alert was a stroke of genius. I think it went: stocks (green), bonds, real estate, treasury bonds, gold (red). I don't think Beck pushes panic or gold. I do believe he thinks we are like any other nation that has existed: vulnerable to economic collapse. To even hint at insult against Beck for being against deficit is, IMO, an act of unbelievable hubris. BTW, the issue has little to do with taxes coming in. The tax level as a function of GDP stays relatively constant over time regardless the actual level. The problem we have is allowing Congress(es) to make promises that future congresses will have to pay for. Thus, the actual deficit represented by borrowed money is dwarfed by promises made but unfunded. These include social security, medicare, pensions. We need defined benefits plans for a public aid and public workers. If Ford/GE/Private Co etc want to make promises their shareholders are on the hook for, that is their problem (unless Obama decides to buy their company and fund their union pensions).

If you really believe that pulling together 120 spooks, propaganda specialists, FBI and military personal with (one) of the public aims:

to gather evidence about the workings of WikiLeaks that might someday be used by the Justice Department to prosecute Assange and others on espionage charges.

is not a "plot"/"plan" to get wikileaks - then I really don't know what would qualify as such in your books. Perhaps it is because you think that the Espionage Act of 1917 should apply to Wikileaks - so it is all legal and therefore not a plan/plot to get wikileaks in your books? Perhaps you do not understand how far fetched and ridiculous it is to even cite the Espionage Act against wikileaks. One favorite from that link:

Indeed, the very idea of criminalizing the mere receipt and transmission of classified information by non-government-employees is incredibly dangerous, as it would criminalize much of what investigative reporters do, which is why even harsh AIPAC critics -- such as myself -- found that AIPAC prosecution to be so chilling. There are countries (such as Britain) that criminalize all disclosures of classified information, but the U.S. is not one of them. In sum, anyone (such as Carroll) declaring that WikiLeaks clearly broke U.S. law -- as though there is no real dispute about it -- reveals that they have no idea what they're talking about.

If your still adamant that there is no plot to get wikileaks, then I hope at least that your also not Ok with the Pentagons double standards Vs Wikileaks when it comes to them leaking sensitive information.

He did do a full interview in the O'Reilly show as well earlier this year.

Linky

No matter how you feel about the guy's program, you gotta admire him for his balls for steppings into the lion's den and taking it on the chin.

"hijacked by some wacko with the stolen shurikens"

What wacko? It's his own plane, who's the wacko, himself? His pilot? He doesn't need a shuriken to hijack his own plane, he owns it, he could crash it into anything he wants as one pilot made very obvious earlier this year.

I agree with him, if you own the plane and there are no other passengers besides yourself and immediate friends and family then you should be able to take anything you want.

I care that they always give the whole unedited material, and that you claim publicly that they do not.

No, I claim he performs edits. That is not quite the same is it? Though cutting portions out entirely is a form of editing he hasn't been caught doing that. But he has been caught - and readily admitted to - editing in other ways.

"The problem, according to many who have viewed the video, is that WikiLeaks appears to have done selective editing that tells only half the story."

"So more people come away influenced by Assange’s selective editing than understanding the whole of the situation those soldiers were in. For Assange, it’s mission accomplished."

Now kindly stop sucking Assange's dick for a few minutes, take a deep breath and catch up on what's been going on the past few months. Maybe - just maybe - you're also bias.
=Smidge=

Huh, for some reason I thought Fox News was the Fox News of the Internet.

Okay, let's rephrase that as "a Fox News of the Internet."

Huh, for some reason I thought Fox News was the Fox News of the Internet.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,509669,00.html

You really should consider actually arguing the issue instead of trying to substitute other arguments instead. Especially if you aren't even going to look at those.

Changing the temperature in your house requires you adapt to a new lifestyle. The regulators realize (correctly) that people will resist this. But when changing lightbulbs, you still get light, the same amount of light. You don't have to change your lifestyle, just change your bulb.

As to your idea of hammering people who use more energy with higher rates, they already do.

http://www.pge.com/tariffs/tm2/pdf/ELEC_SCHEDS_E-1.pdf

You get your first N kWh at one rate, your next M at a higher rate and anything beyond that at a much higher rate. So if you run all your electricity-sucking appliances, you do pay higher fees.

This policies are on top of that level of encouragement to save energy. And they're really not onerous.

You are making blind arguments instead of getting informed. You really should consider reversing these two things.

God you're a dumbass. There isn't a single true statement in your entire post.

Hmmm...

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5699214/rebuilding_of_st_nicholas_greek_orthodox.html?cat=9

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/18/leaders-disappointed-government-declares-deal-rebuild-ground-zero-church-dead/

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/24/nyregion/24greek.html

Here, have some facts. Thanks.

Wrong, the greek orthodox church on the wtc site was givin its permit, however, they wanted additional concessions such as 20$million up front and able to review all plans for the wtc site.

I'm sorry, but not. As stated in the below article they are free to begin if they wish but they're not getting 20million dollars up front and the ability to review all plans for the wtc site (even shit that doesnt have to do with their church)..

Pahleeze... and I'll give you a foxnews link for reference Bah.