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Gentoo has some nice benchmarks on this. You can find it in the AMD 64 FAQ found here . Where also they link to another forum post containing some very interesting performance differences, found here.

A lot of people seem skeptical so far. I've been using qemu to run windows98 under linux for close to a year now. This was before this "accelerator" It was definitely usable. I needed windows for an application from my job, and this let me use it without rebooting. I installed it using the following instructions: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-186001-highli ght-qemu+howto.html

According to Bug 81267 security fixes have been applied to apache ebuilds 2.0.52-r1 and up.

Gentoo MIPS -- not complete, not very active, but at least started.

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Linux is a joke as long as it continues to lack sexy girls like her! I mean just look at this girl! Doesn't she excite you? I know this little hottie puts me in need of a cold shower! This guy looks like he is about to cream his pants standing next to such a fox. As you can see, no man can resist this sexy little minx. Don't you wish the guy in this pic was you? Are you telling me you wouldn't like to get your hands on this ass?! Wouldn't this just make your Christmas?! Yes doctor, this uber babe definitely gets my pulse racing! Oh how I envy the lucky girl in this shot! Linux has nothing that can possibly compete. Come on, you must admit she is better than an overweight penguin or a gay looking goat! Wouldn't this be more liklely to influence your choice of OS?

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This reminds me of the "Progranisms" project I saw over on the Gentoo Linux forums:

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-255505-highli ght-progranism.html
http://www.progranism.com/

Basically some guy put together an executable which makes a few (mutated) copies of itself when it runs, then executes those copies after a short delay. The idea is that executables might evolve which show interesting behaviors.

You can download his source code here:

http://www.progranism.com/junk/progranism-2.3.1.c

Because I like doing strange things, I made a variant of the program which mutates the source code and recompiles it (mutating until it gets something compilable), rather than mutating the executable directly:

http://www.its.caltech.edu/~neilh/progranism/progr anism-neilh.c
http://www.its.caltech.edu/~neilh/progranism/progr anism-neilh-condensed.c
http://www.its.caltech.edu/~neilh/progranism/ (some cleanup and maintenance scripts)

Unfortunately, it's stuck in a pretty steep local minima -- it makes some trivial mutations, but nothing major. One interesting possibility would be to have it search your hard drive for other executables and source files, and try to "mate" with those.

Another scary possibility would be to have viruses/worms with non-trivial evolution capabilities. That'd be a pretty nasty outbreak to try to control.

Finally, a rather neat-looking project is AI.Planet, which is trying to create an 3D evolving ecosystem/world of intelligent "organisms." Framsticks, a 3D life simulation project, is also pretty cool.

Check it out. Source available too.

I haven't tried it yet (am about to), but for Gentoo there is Gensplash

Phillip.

After RTFMing, this problem has been known since August of last year

I RTFMed, too. Seems like vulnerability was fixed in August of last year by Gentoo, Red Hat, andMandrake.

Nothing compares MS security to that of the rest of the world better than seeing how they fix the same damn vulnerability. Let this be a lesson to you. Never astroturf with facts. A quality 'turf would have been to say: "Yes, but Linux has a history of at least three times as many security problems with PNG as Microsoft"

You have to compile a cvs version of X yourself to get the driver. It's so experimental there's not even a Gentoo ebuild for it yet (though it seems to have been in that state for about a year).

Check these links for the experiences of some people trying to get it to work: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=283208&hi ghlight=savage http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=147440&po stdays=0&postorder=asc&start=100

You have to compile a cvs version of X yourself to get the driver. It's so experimental there's not even a Gentoo ebuild for it yet (though it seems to have been in that state for about a year).

Check these links for the experiences of some people trying to get it to work: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=283208&hi ghlight=savage http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=147440&po stdays=0&postorder=asc&start=100

A patch is out there to fix this, and I'm hoping it's included in the new release. For Gentoo, the patch is available here. You can probably just patch it yourself for other OSes. It is based around the patch given in the X.org bug entry.

7.c. Default: Manual Configuration
Introduction.
Manually configuring a kernel is often seen as the most difficult procedure a Linux user ever has to perform. Nothing is less true -- after configuring a couple of kernels you don't even remember that it was difficult ;)

http://www.gentoo.org

Gentoo, the Linux distro for Real Men.

if you're wanting an OS to play games, I'd say try Gentoo, and maybe check out Ubuntu as well.

I'm a Gentoo guy, but I totally understand why people wouldn't want to go through the long install process. This is why VidaLinux exists. VidaLinux is essentially a precompiled Gentoo (with Gnome 2.8, etc), installed with Redhat's Anaconda Installer. works amazingly well Full working Gentoo distribution up and running in under an hour.

don't want to compile future packages? that's allright. just check out Project Chinstrap, which has precompiled packages for Gentoo. Easy as pie.

Ubuntu has its share of issues, but overall, it's a top-notch choice as well. both should work amazingly well for games.

Certain Linux distrobutions got their act together organizational wise, and that's why they're doing so much better now as well.

Just to put in a plug, Gentoo (my new favorite distro ;-) has quite a strong organizational structure. Beyond the normal distro-specific stuff like package manager (Portage), they're adding some quite neat stuff. They're even adding Trusted Computing support--completely controllable by the user, of course. (It's a kernel module, you can rmmod it...) They really seem to have their act together organizationally. (Of course, I came from Slackware, which is Pat churning out updates as fast as he can when he's alive, so something with such an administration running it seems far more organized...)

Don't forget Gentoo/OSX

We've got Gentoo/FreeBSD and Gentoo/Open Solaris with the whole pick your linux/BSD/Solaris kernel of choice to run Gentoo attitude.
I can now see Gentoo/Windows on the horizon.

We've got Gentoo/FreeBSD and Gentoo/Open Solaris with the whole pick your linux/BSD/Solaris kernel of choice to run Gentoo attitude.
I can now see Gentoo/Windows on the horizon.

Here you go.

And how is embedding a flight simulator into Excel 95 "Feature Rich?"

Can't argue with you there, but Excel 95 runs faster than OO.o on it's best day.

/dev/hda1 /boot ext2 defaults 1 2

"Support for x86, AMD64, PowerPC, UltraSparc, Alpha and MIPS processors"

Actually, there are 13 ports officially supported by Gentoo (and there are also a few side project ports which are still experimental).

Gentoo doesn't consider embedded processors part of the support base. I think the only one that isn't supported actually supported in any way in that list is VAX. It considers embedded processors a separate family of packages. Further, it covers processor families. The sparc port actually covers all Sparcs.

There are various levels of support for the 8000+ packages in Gentoo. Have a look here for the list which specifies the level of support for any given package.

VMware uses a processor emulation layer. In other words, its sandbox contains a virtual processor that interprets the output and converts it into native code. This means that at best you can get 1/3 of native speed with VMWare. Linux can run at close to native speed under Windows (using coLinux or others), under BSD (using userspace linux), or under MacOS (using userspace linux). The way this works is that there are hooks built into linux that basically make it act less like an operating system and more like an app.

VMWare can make anything run on anything else, but it isn't pretty. And unlike those things I mentioned, it's not free either.

Portage has been ported to BSD. Incidentally, there's also a cygwin and a MacOS port. I just call it a Gentoo port to NetBSD because that's what the people who made it call it.

You could use the GNU OSX archive: http://www.osxgnu.org/

Of course as you mentioned there is Fink which lets you do things like this relatively easily ...

Try emerge sunbird You'll have to unmask it first, though...

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Little Johnny woke up early to get ready for school. Johnny was a nice boy, loved by his parents, respected by his friends, and likened by his teachers. Like all other good boys, he hated Microsoft(R) and all it's products including Microsoft Windows (TM) and Microsoft Office (TM). He ran Gentoo on his home computer, and used StarOffice for all his homework.

Johnny walked off to the bus stop after kissing his mom goodbye, whistling a little tune to himself. His bus was late again, the third time this month. Johnny didn't like being late for school. It made him feel guilty. So he decided to walk to school, as it was no more than a 15 minute walk away. The bus would take longer anyway, after picking up all the other stupid little kids. Annoying little twitches...they wouldn't know the difference between Gentoo and Knoppix if it stared them in their pimply little faces.

Little Johnny made good time. Before long, he reached the Wal-mart across which his elementary school was. It was just 8:36. It was still 24 minutes before school, and it would take just 45 more seconds to cross the road and enter the school grounds. He liked being early. It gave him time to catch up on the latest geeky news on Slashdot and get a First Post or two before classes began.

Johnny was halfway across the street when a Chevy Avalanche zoomed up and squashed him on the pavement. Little Johnny was no more.

What is the moral, that we, as self respecting geeks, can learn from Little Johnny's short but noble life?

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Always look right and left before crossing the road.

Little Johnny woke up early to get ready for school. Johnny was a nice boy, loved by his parents, respected by his friends, and likened by his teachers. Like all other good boys, he hated Microsoft(R) and all it's products including Microsoft Windows (TM) and Microsoft Office (TM). He ran Gentoo on his home computer, and used StarOffice for all his homework.

Johnny walked off to the bus stop after kissing his mom goodbye, whistling a little tune to himself. His bus was late again, the third time this month. Johnny didn't like being late for school. It made him feel guilty. So he decided to walk to school, as it was no more than a 15 minute walk away. The bus would take longer anyway, after picking up all the other stupid little kids. Annoying little twitches...they wouldn't know the difference between Gentoo and Knoppix if it stared them in their pimply little faces.

Little Johnny made good time. Before long, he reached the Wal-mart across which his elementary school was. It was just 8:36. It was still 24 minutes before school, and it would take just 45 more seconds to cross the road and enter the school grounds. He liked being early. It gave him time to catch up on the latest geeky news on Slashdot and get a First Post or two before classes began.

Johnny was halfway across the street when a Chevy Avalanche zoomed up and squashed him on the pavement. Little Johnny was no more.

What is the moral, that we, as self respecting geeks, can learn from Little Johnny's short but noble life?

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Always look right and left before crossing the road.

Little Johnny woke up early to get ready for school. Johnny was a nice boy, loved by his parents, respected by his friends, and likened by his teachers. Like all other good boys, he hated Microsoft(R) and all it's products including Microsoft Windows (TM) and Microsoft Office (TM). He ran Gentoo on his home computer, and used StarOffice for all his homework.

Johnny walked off to the bus stop after kissing his mom goodbye, whistling a little tune to himself. His bus was late again, the third time this month. Johnny didn't like being late for school. It made him feel guilty. So he decided to walk to school, as it was no more than a 15 minute walk away. The bus would take longer anyway, after picking up all the other stupid little kids. Annoying little twitches...they wouldn't know the difference between Gentoo and Knoppix if it stared them in their pimply little faces.

Little Johnny made good time. Before long, he reached the Wal-mart across which his elementary school was. It was just 8:36. It was still 24 minutes before school, and it would take just 45 more seconds to cross the road and enter the school grounds. He liked being early. It gave him time to catch up on the latest geeky news on Slashdot and get a First Post or two before classes began.

Johnny was halfway across the street when a Chevy Avalanche zoomed up and squashed him on the pavement. Little Johnny was no more.

What is the moral, that we, as self respecting geeks, can learn from Little Johnny's short but noble life?

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Always look right and left before crossing the road.

Little Johnny woke up early to get ready for school. Johnny was a nice boy, loved by his parents, respected by his friends, and likened by his teachers. Like all other good boys, he hated Microsoft(R) and all it's products including Microsoft Windows (TM) and Microsoft Office (TM). He ran Gentoo on his home computer, and used StarOffice for all his homework.

Johnny walked off to the bus stop after kissing his mom goodbye, whistling a little tune to himself. His bus was late again, the third time this month. Johnny didn't like being late for school. It made him feel guilty. So he decided to walk to school, as it was no more than a 15 minute walk away. The bus would take longer anyway, after picking up all the other stupid little kids. Annoying little twitches...they wouldn't know the difference between Gentoo and Knoppix if it stared them in their pimply little faces.

Little Johnny made good time. Before long, he reached the Wal-mart across which his elementary school was. It was just 8:36. It was still 24 minutes before school, and it would take just 45 more seconds to cross the road and enter the school grounds. He liked being early. It gave him time to catch up on the latest geeky news on Slashdot and get a First Post or two before classes began.

Johnny was halfway across the street when a Chevy Avalanche zoomed up and squashed him on the pavement. Little Johnny was no more.

What is the moral, that we, as self respecting geeks, can learn from Little Johnny's short but noble life?

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Always look right and left before crossing the road.

Little Johnny woke up early to get ready for school. Johnny was a nice boy, loved by his parents, respected by his friends, and likened by his teachers. Like all other good boys, he hated Microsoft(R) and all it's products including Microsoft Windows (TM) and Microsoft Office (TM). He ran Gentoo on his home computer, and used StarOffice for all his homework.

Johnny walked off to the bus stop after kissing his mom goodbye, whistling a little tune to himself. His bus was late again, the third time this month. Johnny didn't like being late for school. It made him feel guilty. So he decided to walk to school, as it was no more than a 15 minute walk away. The bus would take longer anyway, after picking up all the other stupid little kids. Annoying little twitches...they wouldn't know the difference between Gentoo and Knoppix if it stared them in their pimply little faces.

Little Johnny made good time. Before long, he reached the Wal-mart across which his elementary school was. It was just 8:36. It was still 24 minutes before school, and it would take just 45 more seconds to cross the road and enter the school grounds. He liked being early. It gave him time to catch up on the latest geeky news on Slashdot and get a First Post or two before classes began.

Johnny was halfway across the street when a Chevy Avalanche zoomed up and squashed him on the pavement. Little Johnny was no more.

What is the moral, that we, as self respecting geeks, can learn from Little Johnny's short but noble life?

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Always look right and left before crossing the road.

Little Johnny woke up early to get ready for school. Johnny was a nice boy, loved by his parents, respected by his friends, and likened by his teachers. Like all other good boys, he hated Microsoft(R) and all it's products including Microsoft Windows (TM) and Microsoft Office (TM). He ran Gentoo on his home computer, and used StarOffice for all his homework.

Johnny walked off to the bus stop after kissing his mom goodbye, whistling a little tune to himself. His bus was late again, the third time this month. Johnny didn't like being late for school. It made him feel guilty. So he decided to walk to school, as it was no more than a 15 minute walk away. The bus would take longer anyway, after picking up all the other stupid little kids. Annoying little twitches...they wouldn't know the difference between Gentoo and Knoppix if it stared them in their pimply little faces.

Little Johnny made good time. Before long, he reached the Wal-mart across which his elementary school was. It was just 8:36. It was still 24 minutes before school, and it would take just 45 more seconds to cross the road and enter the school grounds. He liked being early. It gave him time to catch up on the latest geeky news on Slashdot and get a First Post or two before classes began.

Johnny was halfway across the street when a Chevy Avalanche zoomed up and squashed him on the pavement. Little Johnny was no more.

What is the moral, that we, as self respecting geeks, can learn from Little Johnny's short but noble life?

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Always look right and left before crossing the road.

Freescale (ex-Motorola) sell them for $649, and Gentoo sell complete systems for $999 (of which $100 is donated to the Gentoo foundation). Genesi advertise the mobos+CPU at $600-615, depending on CPU.

But yeah, they're still beaten in price by the Mac Mini.

After reading the /. message I knew this had to be bull flop, so I read the article to be sure. Lo and behold...IT IS! Ok, maybe it's the article's lack of details that makes me think that. "Artifical Chromosomes"? Hello! DNA != Machine code. They're two different things. On at least one level DNA is reactive while machine code is simply executed from point A to B. This "mysertious" new code will give rise to machines that can do everything we have ever hoped for? Wow...amazing. Sorry for being sarcastic, but really. This is like I, Robot. In the movie the robots had phantom errors in their code and the big heady scientist predicted that this would lead to evolution. This article sounds exactly like that. Some new feature is supposed to lead to the rise of what we all hoped for, and I don't believe one cent of it. Ok, so that's done. Moving on. Robots reproducing? How? A machine can only do what it was built to do, and since there machines are built to make themselves (they only have some special chromosome ;) ), they can't reproduce. And faking feelings is nothing new. Anyone with Visual Basic can make a program that "feels" angry, sad, happy, etc. I'm not seeing it, folks. Maybe this was just for laughs and giggles? Well, if you want real computer reproduction and evolution go here: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=255505

This wasn't even the first Gentoo X-based LiveCD for PPC. There was one back in June of 2003!

There are no formal plans to support this in any shape or form at this time.

It takes a bit of time, and could use some better docs, though.

You're always free to submit some documentation changes to bugzilla and I'll gladly commit the changes. Most of the time, I'm a bit too busy actually adding features and fixing bugs on catalyst to be able to spend time on documentation. It doesn't help that John Davis (zhen) has been so busy with school, as he was not only the Release Engineering lead before me, but also our primary documentation producer.

Making a gentoo-based LiveCD once were hard handwork since you couldnt just use a knoppix CD as a base and modify it to your needs. However it has been done: SystemRescueCd.
gentoo catalyst should make this stuff much easier in the future.

Perhaps then, you don't remember the Gentoo Unreal Tournament LiveCD, I have mine right here.

You don't want a liveCD; you want a tool to create a customized liveCD. Something like Catalyst, for instance.

That way you could have all (and only) the features you want, and you could go ahead and put your configuration files and served websites and whatnot on the CD itself instead of a floppy.

Having a "gentoo-based livecd" is kind of an oxymoron - gentoo, whose claim is that its a targeted install for the specific machine, now has to boot everywhere, and lock people in to using only the apps on the cd, which is not part of the Gentoo Philosophy - which is (in one word,) flexibility.

OTOH, It would provide a nice base to create a livecd, however, given that only necessities can be added in and it can be stripped down a whole lot (like compiling the system with dietlibc or even uclibc.)

Collision-protect is not a crucial feature, but I agree that it would be nice if it worked, and it probably will work soon.

It's unclear what the resolution is as a maintainer of a machine. Should I just let the new package clobber files and hope for the best? I agree that someday it'll work properly, but right now it doesn't give me a happy feeling... which is why the only gentoo install I kept is on a toy machine rather than something important.

Standard. Maybe a bit above due to easy, high customizablity.

You can always get hardened gentoo if you need that extra level of security...

How's the performance? How well does Doom 3 run?

That's a very good question, and unfortunately one I cannot answer personally. I am very happy with the performance of the new drivers (except for celestia, which has rendering issues), but frankly I haven't had time to mess around with Doom 3, unreal tournament, or other games (beyond a quick zip down the slopes with tuxracer). I do use blender a fair amount, which works great for what it's worth. For better information than I can give there is a pretty lively thread on the Gentoo Forums
here where people compare results, problems, and the like.

The ATI drivers in question came out around Jan 17th IIRC, so many other threads talking about lousy ATI support refer to the older drivers that had been rotting for a year or two, and their comments are quite frankly out of date and no longer accurate. Prior to Jan 17th ATI support for Linux was abysmal, but I've been very happy with the new drivers (except for celestia issues, which I noted before), and ATI has committed to continuing to update the drivers every couple of months. Still, there are never any guarantees with closed-source, proprietary software that releases will keep coming, be it nvidia or ati.

1. About the same size as a mini-ITX PC.
2. Cheaper than a comparable mini-ITX PC.
3. More powerful than a comparable mini-ITX PC.
4. Prettier than a comparable mini-ITX PC.

That's pretty fucking impressive. It makes the Mac mini a very attractive choice for those who want a Linux-running server or media-center PC.

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Linux is a joke as long as it continues to lack sexy girls like her! I mean just look at this girl! Doesn't she excite you? I know this little hottie puts me in need of a cold shower! This guy looks like he is about to cream his pants standing next to such a fox. As you can see, no man can resist this sexy little minx. Don't you wish the guy in this pic was you? Are you telling me you wouldn't like to get your hands on this ass?! Wouldn't this just make your Christmas?! Yes doctor, this uber babe definitely gets my pulse racing! Oh how I envy the lucky girl in this shot! Linux has nothing that can possibly compete. Come on, you must admit she is better than an overweight penguin or a gay looking goat! Wouldn't this be more liklely to influence your choice of OS?

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A diskless machine is a PC without any of the usual boot devices such as hard disks, floppy drives or CD-ROMs. The diskless node boots off the network and NEEDS A SERVER that will provide it with storage space as a local hard disk would.

> On Gentoo I installed non-free stuff frequently with no idea of their liscensing issues.

FYI: License support in Portage

Actually thats [sic] assuming that you can turn on as many service [sic] as is available on Mandrake on Gentoo , [sic] its [sic] not the case [sic] there [sic] not available.

Actually, portage has the largest collection of software available of any package management system I've ever used, and yes, I ran Mandrake before I switched to Gentoo.

Also , if you dont know how to setup a system , thats why its going to be slow to boot , on any system. (I'm not going to take the time to notate the errors in this quote.)

This is true; however, my experience with Mandrake was that a lot of services are on by default, whereas with Gentoo you have to explicitly install and enable the services you want.

As for the Gentoo speed bulshit [sic] its [sic] already been proven to be just that [sic] bulshit [sic].

I would like to see some citations of this. Though I'd also like to point out that the draw of Gentoo is not the supposed speed increase, at least not for me. It's the USE flags.

OK, bub, let's see you carry that much pr0n.

Give THIS a try....

It is one of the best written and straightforward installs I've ever done...

http://www.gentoo.org/news/en/gwn/20050124-newslet ter.xml

Whoohoo....that is what I want to do as soon as I get one....should be fun.