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Surprisingly, about 70% of the people who called their elected representatives voiced their opinion AGAINST the bail out. However, as was evident on CNBC during an interview with one of our ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES, our representatives chose to ignore our overwhelming opinion and decided to do what was in the best interests of the country (e.g. the lobbiest who put them in power). The interviewee said that he ignored the flood of calls and emails on this subject, even if it meant his losing his seat. Another interesting thing was that the Republicans voted against the second proposal [I guess so that they could claim that they opposed it], but Bush [the banker family] signed it into law. As long as we have the college electoral system in place, third parties cannot obtain a position in government nor grow. This was by design. The last time the two dominate parties changed was during the formation of the Republican party and Abe Lincoln. However, this was funded by a massive support of the railroad companies. The railroad companies couldn't care less if the South wanted slavery and the North didn't, but they were not going to stay idle and watch the Confederacy tax their business. The rallying cry was, "The power to tax is the power to destroy." Will someone point out that $120 Billion is a lot of money to bail out AIG? Oh yes, it is a loan. Well, first, what happens if that loan is never paid back because AIG fails anyway. Second, the terms on that loan are ridiculously low and do not reflect the fair market rates. Where can I get such a loan? Never the less, this $700B is going to bail out rich investors and a few middle class investors, but I doubt that it is going to avoid the Greater Depression in the following years to come. Why should I get stuck with the bill? http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10812 Thank god we have the best form of government MONEY can BUY!

I've yet to hear anyone coming up with a credible solution that does what everyone in america wants, higher standards of living, and stable jobs and financial sectors.

Try these articles: An Emergency Program of Monetary Reform for the United States and Monetary Reform and How a National Monetary System Should Work. Also consider the old system of Colonial Scrip.

But nothing will be done - in fact, we can't do anything to address the cause of the meltdown because our Kleptocrats are allergic to work.

(anonymous because I modded your post.)

I've yet to hear anyone coming up with a credible solution that does what everyone in america wants, higher standards of living, and stable jobs and financial sectors.

Try these articles: An Emergency Program of Monetary Reform for the United States and Monetary Reform and How a National Monetary System Should Work. Also consider the old system of Colonial Scrip.

But nothing will be done - in fact, we can't do anything to address the cause of the meltdown because our Kleptocrats are allergic to work.

(anonymous because I modded your post.)

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/09/24/army/print.html

Not sure why that hasn't made Slashdot yet. It's huge. Far bigger than just a satellite spying on us.

I do not blame you for posting as AC.... I know that even though I post this information for others to look at and decide for themselves, just by posting it a certain percentage will label me a conspiracy nut and I might even get modded as trying to cause problems when I am just acknowledging that I too have heard about (article) this and am providing additional information for people to chew on and think about.

The USA is slowly being turned into a police state so that we can be controlled, systematically taking away freedoms from Americans. This site suggests there are over 800 camps around the USA. Here is a video about a FEMA camp in Indiana, supposedly closed in 1933, but has received funding within the last two years as a amtrak - train maintenance facility.

I heard Alex Jones on Coast to Coast, here is a link to his website infowars. Supposedly he predicted not just the current collapse over two years ago, but nailed the reason as sub-prime markets...I need to find the document with the date he first made the prediction. My Realtor and mortgage broker friends knew the Real Estate bubble would burst over 2 years back. As a Notary/Signing Agent we talked about what was going on. As a person who participated in the RTC bailout, I am not surprised that it is happening again. My friends 2 to 2 1/2 years ago did not tie the bubble bursting to the sub prime market as Alex supposedly did.

Per the show, Alex got interested in how the government worked in High School and has actively looked into many issues for well over 20 years. The amount of information he has is incredible...again, check it out for yourself.

Not only did he sound very, very credible, he stated that there is so much dis-information being put online much in his name that he sometimes has 50 - 100 utube videos removed that are slandering him, all posted in the same 24 hour period. If you listen to the recorded show you will hear it in his words, but he basically is very well known at utube and once they verify it is him, the videos are instantly yanked. When someone is attacked so ardently as he obviously is, someone does not want you and I to know or think too much about what he is saying. Again listen yourself and form your own opinion.

I ask myself, what do they NOT want me to know. There is a reason they distract us from what is really going on with other things.

Supposedly he has a document that shows the Banking groups' plans that they are currently following now...supposedly leaked by someone when they left the Federal Reserve system. I need to look for it and provide a link. He stated on the show, that they are not doing anything in secret but instead are following a well thought out and detailed plan. This same template has been used to take the physical assets of other countries using that country's own banks and currency to do it. The documents state that the countries were expected to default on the loans the group of banks provided. I believe the details are in this video End Game, however I am not a subscriber so I have not watched it yet.

I also admit that I currently do not have three or more sources for this information, so it is up to you to decide for yourself.

I personally don't believe there are as many coincidences as many would like for us to believe. I find it very coinci

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A5339-2002Mar22 / http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html
(For example...)

I'll leave your illusioned soul now at rest.

Nice link for you about spying potential

That governments have permitted terrorist acts against their own people, and have even themselves been perpetrators in order to find strategic advantage is quite likely true, but this is the United States we're talking about.

That intelligence agencies, financiers, terrorists and narco-criminals have a long history together is well established, but the Nugan Hand Bank, BCCI, Banco Ambrosiano, the P2 Lodge, the CIA/Mafia anti-Castro/Kennedy alliance, Iran/Contra and the rest were a long time ago, so thereâ(TM)s no need to rehash all that. That was then, this is now!

That Jonathan Bushâ(TM)s Riggs Bank has been found guilty of laundering terrorist funds and fined a US-record $25 million must embarrass his nephew George, but it's still no justification for leaping to paranoid conclusions.

That George Bush's brother Marvin sat on the board of the Kuwaiti-owned company which provided electronic security to the World Trade Centre, Dulles Airport and United Airlines means nothing more than you must admit those Bush boys have done alright for themselves.

That George Bush found success as a businessman only after the investment of Osamaâ(TM)s brother Salem and reputed al Qaeda financier Khalid bin Mahfouz is just one of those things - one of those crazy things.

That Osama bin Laden is known to have been an asset of US foreign policy in no way implies he still is.

That al Qaeda was active in the Balkan conflict, fighting on the same side as the US as recently as 1999, while the US protected its cells, is merely one of history's little aberrations.

The claims of Michael Springman, State Department veteran of the Jeddah visa bureau, that the CIA ran the office and issued visas to al Qaeda members so they could receive training in the United States, sound like the sour grapes of someone who was fired for making such wild accusations.

That one of George Bush's first acts as President, in January 2001, was to end the two-year deployment of attack submarines which were positioned within striking distance of al Qaeda's Afghanistan camps, even as the group's guilt for the Cole bombing was established, proves that a transition from one administration to the next is never an easy task.

That so many influential figures in and close to the Bush White House had expressed, just a year before the attacks, the need for a "new Pearl Harbo

That governments have permitted terrorist acts against their own people, and have even themselves been perpetrators in order to find strategic advantage is quite likely true, but this is the United States we're talking about.

That intelligence agencies, financiers, terrorists and narco-criminals have a long history together is well established, but the Nugan Hand Bank, BCCI, Banco Ambrosiano, the P2 Lodge, the CIA/Mafia anti-Castro/Kennedy alliance, Iran/Contra and the rest were a long time ago, so thereâ(TM)s no need to rehash all that. That was then, this is now!

That Jonathan Bushâ(TM)s Riggs Bank has been found guilty of laundering terrorist funds and fined a US-record $25 million must embarrass his nephew George, but it's still no justification for leaping to paranoid conclusions.

That George Bush's brother Marvin sat on the board of the Kuwaiti-owned company which provided electronic security to the World Trade Centre, Dulles Airport and United Airlines means nothing more than you must admit those Bush boys have done alright for themselves.

That George Bush found success as a businessman only after the investment of Osamaâ(TM)s brother Salem and reputed al Qaeda financier Khalid bin Mahfouz is just one of those things - one of those crazy things.

That Osama bin Laden is known to have been an asset of US foreign policy in no way implies he still is.

That al Qaeda was active in the Balkan conflict, fighting on the same side as the US as recently as 1999, while the US protected its cells, is merely one of history's little aberrations.

The claims of Michael Springman, State Department veteran of the Jeddah visa bureau, that the CIA ran the office and issued visas to al Qaeda members so they could receive training in the United States, sound like the sour grapes of someone who was fired for making such wild accusations.

That one of George Bush's first acts as President, in January 2001, was to end the two-year deployment of attack submarines which were positioned within striking distance of al Qaeda's Afghanistan camps, even as the group's guilt for the Cole bombing was established, proves that a transition from one administration to the next is never an easy task.

That so many influential figures in and close to the Bush White House had expressed, just a year before the attacks, the need for a "new Pearl Harbo

That governments have permitted terrorist acts against their own people, and have even themselves been perpetrators in order to find strategic advantage is quite likely true, but this is the United States we're talking about.

That intelligence agencies, financiers, terrorists and narco-criminals have a long history together is well established, but the Nugan Hand Bank, BCCI, Banco Ambrosiano, the P2 Lodge, the CIA/Mafia anti-Castro/Kennedy alliance, Iran/Contra and the rest were a long time ago, so thereâ(TM)s no need to rehash all that. That was then, this is now!

That Jonathan Bushâ(TM)s Riggs Bank has been found guilty of laundering terrorist funds and fined a US-record $25 million must embarrass his nephew George, but it's still no justification for leaping to paranoid conclusions.

That George Bush's brother Marvin sat on the board of the Kuwaiti-owned company which provided electronic security to the World Trade Centre, Dulles Airport and United Airlines means nothing more than you must admit those Bush boys have done alright for themselves.

That George Bush found success as a businessman only after the investment of Osamaâ(TM)s brother Salem and reputed al Qaeda financier Khalid bin Mahfouz is just one of those things - one of those crazy things.

That Osama bin Laden is known to have been an asset of US foreign policy in no way implies he still is.

That al Qaeda was active in the Balkan conflict, fighting on the same side as the US as recently as 1999, while the US protected its cells, is merely one of history's little aberrations.

The claims of Michael Springman, State Department veteran of the Jeddah visa bureau, that the CIA ran the office and issued visas to al Qaeda members so they could receive training in the United States, sound like the sour grapes of someone who was fired for making such wild accusations.

That one of George Bush's first acts as President, in January 2001, was to end the two-year deployment of attack submarines which were positioned within striking distance of al Qaeda's Afghanistan camps, even as the group's guilt for the Cole bombing was established, proves that a transition from one administration to the next is never an easy task.

That so many influential figures in and close to the Bush White House had expressed, just a year before the attacks, the need for a "new Pearl Harbo

In the interests of historical accuracy: the funding, training, and arming of mujahedeen was begun under Carter (not Reagan), six months before the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. >>source

Yes, I'm sure you are kidding but those charges are related:

• List of controversies
• That showed a huge crack of light a year ago.
• And people are connecting the dots between election fraud and manipulation of justice.

I suspect attaching this to a non-event like a spam attack won't be read by many, but there is a serious side to this little non-article. Have a look at HR 362 / SR 580, and you'll see that certain individuals are actively planning authorisation to commit the first overt act of war against Iran.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?aid=9377&context=va

http://www.infowars.com/?p=3202

I quote from HR 362: "Whereas nothing in this resolution shall be construed as an authorization of the use of force against Iran"

Well, that's all well and good, but doesn't sound so friendly when later followed by:

"...imposing stringent inspection requirements on all persons, vehicles, ships, planes, trains, and cargo entering or departing Iran..."

By gumbo, that sounds pretty much like an act of war to me, folks.

Fred Thompson might be a has-been contender for POTUS, but he's still got clout and buddies ...
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/west-urged-to-blockade-iran/2007/06/20/1182019197725.html

From what I can tell, the bill is due for a vote today (Friday) ... HR 362's co-sponsors include 96 House Democrats and 111 House Republicans.

Obama has done three things that have made me second-guess my support for him and this isn't the worst. The compromise bill does grant retroactive immunity to the telcoms. Obama was against this, but you don't get to vote on every part of a bill every time when you're a senator. Bush greatly expanded the president's powers under his term using executive orders and no one has challenged him. I believe he should be impeached and thrown in jail, but that doesn't seem to be going to happen. Letting the lawsuits against the telcoms go would do a great deal to bring about justice, it would at least make people weary of taking the president's word for it when asked by him to break a law in secret. However, the protections in the new bill should narrow the powers of the executive enough to make it clear that a law was begin broken and to enable easy impeachment if it happens again. There were actually three senate votes to amend the bill to remove or weaken the telcom immunity and Obama voted for all three amendments (which failed). He figured at the end though that the bill as a whole was worth passing, even with the immunity intact.

One other thing was Obama's refusal to use public financing, which he has always claimed he supports. This isn't that big since I don't believe the positions are contradictory. For instance, I think someone could oppose tax cuts while still cashing their refund check. You can still play by the rules even if you wish them to be changed. When you look at the choice of financing a campaign with $80 million or $250 million, what would you choose?

The worst thing though was simply a chance to stand up and show his character. It hasn't been mentioned against Obama to my knowledge, which I find regrettable. When one of McCain's advisers was asked hypothetically how a terrorist attack would affect the presidential campaign, he replied that he thought that it would help McCain due to his foreign policy experience. EVERYTHING I saw in the media seemed to say that it was a stupid remark, but I don't see how since he was directly replying to the question asked. McCain's quote in the media even seemed to agree: "I cannot imagine why he would say it. It's not true. I've worked tirelessly since 9/11 to prevent another attack on the United States of America. My record is very clear." That's like asking a police officer if an increase in crime would mean their budget would increase. Certainly the officer doesn't wish an increase in crime, but they would get more funding. Why cannot people see this? This is what an Obama spokesman said:

Obama spokesman Bill Burton said in a statement: "The fact that John McCain's top adviser says that a terrorist attack on American soil would be a 'big advantage' for their political campaign is a complete disgrace, and is exactly the kind of politics that needs to change. Barack Obama will turn the page on these failed policies and this cynical and divisive brand of politics so that we can unite this nation around a common purpose to finish the fight against al-Qaida."

This is a completely misleading analysis of the actual conversation and would make me regret ever voting for Obama, except Hillary would probably be just as bad. As it stands, I have to question Obama's character for letting a spokesman make such a statement without rebuke. My image of him is forever tarnished, I wish he simply would have said this:

Mr. Black was simply answering a reporter's question about the political campaign. I respect Senator McCain's patriotism and service to this country, and to believe that he would actually wish a terrorist attack on American soil just to help his campaign is ridiculous in the extreme. We need to stop concentrating on misstatements and sound bites and concentrate on the issues that really matter to America.

all the while, pumping the iraqi countryside full of depleted uranium... :-P

all the while - pumping the countryside full of depleted uranium... :-P

The mujaheddin is to Afghanistan what the cowboy is to the US. Calling them terrorists is hard as they were heavily sponsored and acclaimed as freedom fighters by the US.
They have decades of battle experience, against USSR, and each other. Afghanistan, today, is just the result of the Colonial "great game" followed by brilliant idea Carter had when he gave the USSR its Vietnam War... So stop whining, you had the chance to survive to the results of US history, and you helped writing another page your children will have to live with.

the Fourth Amendment, which bars unreasonable searches and seizures, did not apply to "domestic military operations" against terrorist threats.

The Chief Judge that presided in the early part of the proceedings resigned in protest against the blatant interference by the Iraqi regime installed by the occupying power. He was replaced by a judge who had no qualms in disregarding all established principles of fair trial and was willing to hand down a judgment inconsistent with the evidence adduced.

Prescott Bush Nazi connection:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

US detention centers/ENDGAME:
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8572

HTH

Thanks for the detailed response. I would love to show you the photos I took from a trip to Tibet last year. I don't think the US government ever built mansions for the Indians. You have to see all the colorful mansions dotted in the valleys throughout Tibet built by varies Provincial Governments of various provinces for the Tibetans as part of the campaign to help Tibetans. Other ethnic Chinese are not eligible. Here are some links regarding Tibetan history: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7355 http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_3173.shtml

Yeah - no one would be arrested for voicing their opinions. Like in NYC during the Republican convention. Or just standing next to someone who was...
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/12/nyregion/12video.html

The FBI wouldn't spy on you for being in a peaceful anti-war group, right?
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=MIL20060127&articleId=1835

No one would be arrested because they wore an anti-Bush Tshirt, right?
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/08/17/3243/

And you accuse others of not seeing? Look the f*ck around.

=tkk

The Iraq war was needed regardless by the Bush administration, mainly because Saddam had started to trade oil in Euros. Given the economic state of the US, the dollar could not afford a spread of that idea in the Middle East or the whole house of cards would collapse around Bush's ears (it still is, it has just taken longer).

See Dollar against Euro, the war on Iraq. It was written in 2003.

"A real engineer would not be an asset to a terror-seeking team. If it is terror driven by religion, I can guarantee you that the engineer will always be the odd man out that won't want to stick to the rules, be it scheduling of prayers or that pork rinds are not acceptable, etc."

Posse Comitatus was altered by the National Defense Authorization Act of 2007. It's not really what it used to be anymore.

Here are some articles:

http://www.towardfreedom.com/home/content/view/911/

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=5150

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/martial_law_made_easy.html

And here are Senator Leahy's remarks on the Senate floor about this Act, which has since been passed and signed into law. The first paragraph is all you really need to read:

http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200609/092906b.html

And the wiki, for good measure:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurrection_Act

For an excellent introduction to the hypocrisy of the "Safe Darfur" movement, read this article:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=4717

Most the reference on Tibetan practices are not online nor in English. But you could start from here, and the article is full of names and reference where you could go further. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7355 People, I know you all have beliefs and it is hard to question your own belief were wrong. Most people know nothing about Tibet except what the media fed them.

I imagine it could be construed as a "Catastrophic Emergency"

I'm no conspiracy theorist, but in light of this story, there could be cause for some concern: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=JES20080202&articleId=7980

By my count, we are probably dealing with as many as eight, maybe even nine, unexplained cut or damaged undersea cables within the last week, and not the mere three or four that most mainstream news media outlets in the United States are presently reporting. Given all this cable-cutting mayhem in the last several days, who knows but what there may possibly be other cut and/or damaged cables that have not made it into the news cycle, because they are lost in the general cable-cutting noise by this point. Nevertheless, let me enumerate what I can, and keep in mind, I am not pulling these out of a hat; all of the sources are referenced at the conclusion of the article; you can click through and look at all the evidence that I have. It's there if you care to read through it all 1) one off of Marseille, France 2) two off of Alexandria, Egypt 3) one off of Dubai, in the Persian Gulf 4) one off of Bandar Abbas, Iran in the Persian Gulf 5) one between Qatar and the UAE, in the Persian Gulf 6) one in the Suez, Egypt 7) one near Penang, Malaysia 8) initially unreported cable cut on 23 January 2008 (Persian Gulf?)

The article includes the following links as references to document the above list of believed cuts:

1) http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c=JPArticle&cid=1202064573279&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
2) http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/business/?id=24186
3) http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/theuae/2008/February/theuae_February121.xml&section=theuae
4) http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080202132053.iohfg5ob&show_article=1
5) http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/02/04/2153455.htm
6) http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5i03tUdyj8wf2Xa9P4trWEjqAJdyQ
7) http://www.arabianbusiness.com/510132-internet-problems-continue-with-fourth-cable-break?ln=en
8) http://www.globalresearch.ca/PrintArticle.php?articleId=7980
9) https://confluence.slac.stanford.edu/display/IEPM/Effects+of+Fibre+Outage+through+Mediterranean
10) http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/02/01/internet.outage/?iref=hpmostpop
11) http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/02/04/technology/cables.php
12) http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/business/worldbusiness/31cable.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
13) http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/01/31/Cut-cable-disrupts-Internet-in-Middle-East_1.html
14)

Some people in the USA might think that Iran is declaring some sort of economic war on the USA by daring to set an oil bourse that allows oil to be bought and sold in a currency that is not the US dollar:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7998

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7998 ...it's all because the USA wants prevent people from buying oil using any currency except the US dollar.

World Natural Health Organization you cite. Its no wonder if you go to the main page they also don't believe in global climate change, are anti-gay-marriage, anti-vaccination, anti-flouride, anti-abortion, and anti-aspartame, whack jobs.

The page I linked to was an abstract/introduction of a book by authors not associated with that website. If you have an issue with the book, take on the book and the statistics and references therein. For vaccinations, fluoride, and aspartame there is good research that shows that these are in fact quite toxic/damaging. For vaccines, a good well-sourced overview can be found here: http://astore.amazon.com/medical-bookstore-20/detail/1881217302. Fluoride toxicity has long been known. And for aspartame you only need to know that it metabolizes to formaldehyde to know enough.

Of course, you will still think it to be nonsense because it implies something quite unbelievable: that millions of people are being knowingly put at risk, damaged, and poisoned. That can't be, can it? Well... there is a simple explanation for it all: this world is being run by genocidal maniacs. To see who these people are, take a look at the following big genocide that is not being reported on, yet is being executed more or less out in the open http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7957. Yup, Henry is still at it.

Of course, in the west, we can't have overt genocide. It is essential that we believe ourselves to be free. Hence the deal with medication. It is perfect for covert genocide, and you can even have victims themselves pay for it.

Here's the link that was on reddit.com on Friday regarding this info:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=JES20080202&articleId=7980

"Everyone's running up to first class. I've got to go. Bye." The cockpit voice recorder captured the sounds of the passenger assault muffled by the intervening cockpit door. Some family members who listened to the recording report that they can hear the voice of a loved one among the din. We cannot identify whose voices can be heard. But the assault was sustained. In response, Jarrah immediately began to roll the airplane to the left and right, attempting to knock the passengers off balance.

... the the pre-election pollster's numbers (NOTE: that's not Exit Polls, but Pre-Election Polls!) were dead-on, for the most part, on the Republican side, as well as on the Democratic side. Except in the do-or-die (for Hillary) Clinton v. Obama race.

... the difference between the Obama poll level and the Obama vote total level seems to just be your basic statistical variance. The pollsters underestimated Clinton's level of support. People who were undecided as of the last round of polling seem to have gone overwhelmingly in her direction.

So where did her votes come from, if Exit Polling data showed, as mentioned by MSNBC ..., that last minute deciders broke evenly, and even a bit more for Obama??

Do you ever wonder why weather modification is never brought up in these climate change stories? Or why don't they ever talk about HAARP and the role it might play.

"Doomsday Seed Vault" in the Arctic
Bill Gates, Rockefeller and the GMO giants know something we dont

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7529

by F. William Engdahl

Global Research, December 4, 2007

One thing Microsoft founder Bill Gates cant be accused of is sloth. He was already programming at 14, founded Microsoft at age 20 while still a student at Harvard. By 1995 he had been listed by Forbes as the worlds richest man from being the largest shareholder in his Microsoft, a company which his relentless drive built into a de facto monopoly in software systems for personal computers.

In 2006 when most people in such a situation might think of retiring to a quiet Pacific island, Bill Gates decided to devote his energies to his Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the worlds largest transparent private foundation as it says, with a whopping $34.6 billion endowment and a legal necessity to spend $1.5 billion a year on charitable projects around the world to maintain its tax free charitable status. A gift from friend and business associate, mega-investor Warren Buffett in 2006, of some $30 billion worth of shares in Buffets Berkshire Hathaway put the Gates foundation into the league where it spends almost the amount of the entire annual budget of the United Nations World Health Organization.

So when Bill Gates decides through the Gates Foundation to invest some $30 million of their hard earned money in a project, it is worth looking at.

No project is more interesting at the moment than a curious project in one of the worlds most remote spots, Svalbard. Bill Gates is investing millions in a seed bank on the Barents Sea near the Arctic Ocean, some 1,100 kilometers from the North Pole. Svalbard is a barren piece of rock claimed by Norway and ceded in 1925 by international treaty (see map).

On this God-forsaken island Bill Gates is investing tens of his millions along with the Rockefeller Foundation, Monsanto Corporation, Syngenta Foundation and the Government of Norway, among others, in what is called the doomsday seed bank. Officially the project is named the Svalbard Global Seed Vault on the Norwegian island of Spitsbergen, part of the Svalbard island group.

Doomsday Seed Vault

The seed bank is being built inside a mountain on Spitsbergen Island near the small village of Longyearbyen. Its almost ready for business according to their releases. The bank will have dual blast-proof doors with motion sensors, two airlocks, and walls of steel-reinforced concrete one meter thick. It will contain up to three million different varieties of seeds from the entire world, so that crop diversity can be conserved for the future, according to the Norwegian government. Seeds will be specially wrapped to exclude moisture. There will be no full-time staff, but the vault's relative inaccessibility will facilitate monitoring any possible human activity.

Did we miss something here? Their press release stated, so that crop diversity can be conserved for the future. What future do the seed banks sponsors foresee, that would threaten the global availability of current seeds, almost all of which are already well protected in designated seed banks around the world?

Anytime Bill Gates, the Rockefeller Foundation, Monsanto and Syngenta get together on a common project, its worth digging a bit deeper behind the rocks on Spitsbergen. When we do we find some fascinating things.

The first notable point is who is sponsoring the doomsday seed vault. Here joining the Norwegians are, as noted, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation; the US agribusiness giant DuPont/Pioneer Hi-Bred, one of the worlds largest owners of patented genetically-modified (GMO) plant seeds and related agrichemicals; Syngenta, the Swiss-based major GMO seed and agrichemicals company through its Syngenta Foundation; the Rockefeller Foundation, the private group who created the gene revolution with ove

"I secretly worked with the world's most powerful media companies to get you to believe what "they" want you to believe. The media is the most efficient weapon of tyranny and oppression ever created. No need to physically control populations anymore when you can do it mentally - program it in, internalize the rules."

[...]

"4. Get people into the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) who will smash the current media ownership rules. The concentration of media ownership is the foundation of the covert power structure. Without that, the whole thing is a house of cards. That's why the FCC is currently trying to ram through rules that will further consolidate media ownership before the Bush administration leaves office. As part of this, it is pivotal that we protect the open architecture of the Internet. The media belongs to the people, as does the government, in theory anyway, but we need an information system that actually serves the public interest."

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7525

I mean seriously. This doesn't even pass the laugh test.
I found one reference to this urban legend here

It was a funny read. I think the writer just made everything up.

Suggesting that microwave ovens have the same output power as a military tracking/targeting radar is silly. Suggesting that a sensor that can distinguish individual types of radar just homes in on any old RF source is silly. But thinking that HARMs are used against tanks, APCs, and buildings is just plain wrong. The article stated that they used "microwave ovens to simulate the emissions of armored transport systems." Umm. No.

Then he makes it sound like every munition used on 700+ vehicles was of a GPS guided variety that could be jammed from 500km out. And that we hit not 700+ but only 13. First off, the vast majority of the precision guided munitions used were of the laser guided variety. Second, jamming GPS anywhere within 500km with the wattage of a flashlight? Umm. No.

No mention of how they were planning on jamming *laser guided* smart bombs, though.

And what "horrors of history" would those be? Frankenstein's Monster? Inhabitants of the island of Dr Moreau? Mind quoting a non-science-fiction example of your strawman? But here is what your enlightened leaders do to those that they *do* recognize as humans, based on your "definition" :

Cluster bombing innocent civilians as collateral damage in a war waged over fake reasons and imaginary threats? Making laws to torture and imprison them without trials? No problem! http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/fogofwar/index/cdamage.htm

Proceeding to support *another* nuclear proliferating dictator while waging the above war, and assisting in trampling human and civil rights of others and trampling on their right to have a democracy? No problem! http://www.voanews.com/english/2007-11-21-voa1.cfm

Causing deaths of millions of babies by withholding medicines and food, and claiming that the "price(killing these babies) was worth it"! No problem with that either! Those were non-american babies and thus not "really" alive or really "human". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK_QshS2EW8

Inciting a war in another uninvolved country and driving it to ruins and in hands of radical Islami c zealots, just to give a cold-war rival "its vietnam"... perfectly okay and ethical! http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html

Actually nuking millions of innocent civilians ... sure! Again non-americans and therefore not really "humans" or "alive". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki

But God forbid that someone aborts an unborn fetus they are not ready for. God forbid that scientists do valuable research that can actually cure diseases and reduce suffering! *Then* the esteemed leaders become so very "ethical" and "religious".

You are both non-persuasive *and* stupid.

And you are a hypocrite!

The government knows damn well that cannabis is not harmful; they don't care. Criminal hypocrisy is embedded into our government to the point that there's no way to end the drug war without ending the government with it (because of the truths that would be revealed). A perfect example is Afghanistan. Look at the numbers and tell me which government was really anti-poppy, the Taliban or the US gov's puppet regime. Under Karzai the heroin yields have never been higher.

It's all a scam. The DEA and local PDs put people in jail for decades for nonviolent drug offenses while the CIA takes a cut from drug smugglers in exchange for protection. Drug money is laundered through US businesses on Wall Street and elsewhere using CIA front companies. If you don't know about Iran-Contra, Barry Seal or Gary Webb I urge you to dig deeper. Things are not what they seem and ignorance of the crimes of traitors will slowly poison what's left of our republic.

If you read the article carefully, you will note that it doesn't contradict what I wrote.

Perhaps I chose the wrong case, but what I was replying to, about patenting a plant variety, still happens. Now in one case patents were revoked only after they were contested, RiceTec was granted patents for strains of Basmati rice. These strains are native to India and India fought the patents and eventual won.

It's all a part of the plan described by Michel Chossudovsky, a professor of economics at the University of Ottawa. The globalization of poverty puts less money in the pockets of the 'have-nots' and more money in the pockets of the 'haves'. It's all about the rich getting richer at your expense and mine.

I think the troops have enough common sense to avoid posting that. The military is probably more interested in stopping things like this:
a soldier's perspective on troop casualty under-reporting.

"While traveling 35,000 feet above eastern Ohio, United 93 suddenly dropped 700 feet" Still way above the 8,000 foot barrier for cellphone calls. How high were the planes were flying? There is great debate and research being circulated around the web by "people with a brain". I implore you to do some research, here is a link to get you started. http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO408B.html If you follow the fact they might lead you to an uncomfortable place. That's where real understanding begins to take place.

Since we're picking the nits, CIA was still the one financing Osama and others in the war, though they did so through middle men to get deniability: http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Jan/24- 318760.html

And it seems USA is now in the process of financing more Bin Ladins into this world:
"US funds terror groups to sow chaos in Iran": http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=vie wArticle&code=20070225&articleId=4931

Is there reason? Perhaps you are unfamiliar with Israel, and their well-documented history of killing Palestianian, Iranian, Syrian, Iraqi, and Lebanese civilians unprovoked. And using torture. And using terrorism. And using assassination. Yeah, _that_ Israel!

They have an illegal WMD stockpile (Yes, 650,000 Iraqis have been killed for the seemingly-ficticious reason of 'WMD related programs', a far minor crime compared to building an estimated 200 nukes that Israel is to date unpunished for), is it so implausible that they will strike first to prevent nuclear parity, and a policy of MAD and deterrence? Sure it kept the USSR and the US away from each others throats during the cold war, but Israel is accustomed to being able to murder with impunity (as they have done for decades), the idea of having to restrain themselves (or face annihilation) will be a bitter pill.

I assume you were trolling giving your hopelessly ignorant comment (and great work with the 'how fucking predicable', clearly we are all anti-semites for daring to discuss such an issue!!), but in the event you were not, try reading up on the policies of an ultra-violent nation you rush to the knee-jerk defense of.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/israel/doc trine.htm

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=vie wArticle&code=CAR20070115&articleId=4477

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/israel/doctrine/inde x.html