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China Blocks YouTube Over Tibet Videos
Screaming Cactus writes "Internet users in China were blocked from seeing YouTube.com on Sunday after dozens of videos about protests in Tibet appeared on the site. 'Chinese leaders encourage Internet use for education and business but use online filters to block access to material considered subversive or pornographic. Foreign Web sites run by news organizations and human rights groups are regularly blocked if they carry sensitive information. Operators of China-based online bulletin boards are required to monitor their content and enforce censorship.' The blocking added to the communist government's efforts to control what the public saw and heard about protests that erupted Friday in the Tibetan capital, Lhasa, against Chinese rule."
before China blocks Slashdot?
Don't mind the extra X. Alex
What are you hiding China?
Maybe you want to consider hosting psiphon server?
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I've traveled to China a few times, and encounter plenty of Chinese students at my university. All seem to be aware that their government is authoritarian and has done some terrible things, in spite of all the blocking. Nonetheless, without exception every Chinese person I've spoke with on the issue insists that a hard line is needed to keep the country together. Since the Chinese population, for cultural and historical reasons, seems okay with what's going on, is blocking the Internet even necessary?
It'll be interesting to see how quickly GooTube caves and removes the videos. After all, they were willing to alter their search in order to gain access to Chinese markets. Let's see how far they're willing to bend over.
I don't see how we continue to support the olympics in such a country. It's not that they're communist. It's not that they're corrupt. It's that they're against the very fundamental freedoms that the olympics represents.
As far as I'm concerned, it's they're government and if they choose to limit what their population can see it's their business.
If anything it helps me appreciate that I live in a country that allows me to see and search pretty well whatever I want, even if it's at my own risk. I really don't think anyone will die from not being allowed to see YouTube. Personally sometimes I wish my government would just block it lol just to keep me from losing IQ points from seeing some of the content posted. Just a joke if you're wondering, there are some great videos up there.
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At least they managed to block the site without knocking YouTube completely off the Web.
RichM
Data Center Knowledge
China is becoming a bigger and bigger enemy by the day. First, its all the hacking into our government and then trying to control tibet. I mean they're going after the Dalai lama, the peoples religious leader, have some respect or decency at least. I don't see how China is fit to host the Olympics. Do the athletes know that people are dying in tibet just so China can run the Olympic torch through tibet? Its all messed up. They are not ready yet. All that without even touching on censorship. And so from now own, I will refer to China as Va China.
Read all three parts of it, the author summarizes both sides of the issue in order for people to see that the Tibet issue is much more than just a communist regime bullying an occupied region, for example:
I know I might be modded offtopic but the discussion of Chinese censorship of Tibet videos will no doubt lead to the discussion of Tibet vs China itself. I'm just asking everyone to please form their opinion after looking at both sides of the issue, and how each side feels about it. Try not to base your opinion solely on just what you hear news.
This is where something like Usenet is still better than "The Web". It doesn't even require tcp/ip to function and therefore has no centralised control. With something like an NNTP server running on every phone, over bluetooth, it would be pretty much impossible to prevent the spread of information.
Walk past someone in the street and your phone syncs it's "newsgroups" with the other phone. The smartphones around these days are coming with 2Gb of storage and 300MHz processors. More than 100,000 are being purchased per day in China.
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I remain unimpressed with George W. Bush's magic plan to spread democracy by borrowing billions of dollars from China and doing business with them whenever possible. Articles like this only reinforce this feeling, as if it needed reinforcing.
Well, at least they did not bring down You-Tube like Pakistan clumsily did when they blocked it...
As a chinese, from what have happened I know in tibet, I do not think what those mobs were doing is right.
those mobs burnt cars, banks, houses and shops owned by their folks. The pictures shown by both western and Chinese media look so familar with those taken from that freed Iraq. I'm also afraid if we let them have their way, they will turn people like me back to poverty. I just got my little sales bussines started days ago. So i just wish those freedom fighters could do their course in a more civil way..
China, in fact, is very fragile.
If you want to see something crazy, check out the political spam in the comments of these videos. It is unbelievable the ratio of how many people are calling Tibetans liars and cheering on the Chinese. These are recent posts calling the Dalai Lama a terrorist ringleader. It confuses me that so many people outside the great firewall are posting this stuff.
Anyone want to help me mod these comments down, and rate these videos up?
It seems to me that there's a pretty big language barrier that prevents us from hearing much from most chinese internet users. The ones i met in china tended to stick to purely chinese sites, which i found quite hard to read with only my basic level of chinese.
("if we get some chinese comments, perhaps people here can translate them")
"The value of a man resides in what he gives,
and not in what he is capable of receiving."
--Albert Einstein
Just because you take it as propaganda doesn't mean that others don't have a more leveled response to this statement. For example, you could take it as saying: "what is going on with this type of morality?". If a person condones authoritarian rule, what is the need for censorship? Yet these people seem to do both? This statement is about the human condition, and not politics. Personally I think a lot of official chinese statements express an embarrassingly amorale attitude.
Like all pain, suffering is a signal that something isn't right
yea people sorta go crazy when the government kills their relatives
I'm not trying to bait or anything but I am curious. Why does the internet community give so much energy to the liberation of Tibet but they don't do the same to the USA, South Africa, Australia etc that are overrun and controlled by accupying colonial powers. Yes they may be 'democracies' but if you go and speak to a native aborigony and ask them about it I think that their perspective would be different to that of some slashdotters. There are occupying forces all over the world and all throughout history - I just wonder why we choose to make a fuss over Tibet when there are injustices in our own backyard that we are choosing to ignore.
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Don't back down to China on this one, it would be unethical to remove the videos so that the site could be seen in China. By letting the Chinese government pressure you into doing this, would mean letting their powers having a direct negative impact on us here in the West.
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Not likely, religion is tightly controlled in China but it's kept on a tight leash so as not to become too big to threaten the authoritarian government. Even a group of a few hundred could be threatening to the 75 million member Chinese Communist Party.
China has installed a media blackout (Chinese public doesn't know what is going on), they don't want to get the same response as Burma did get when the protest where cursed there few months back. But not only that, China government has also closed down the border zone between China and Tibet. Preventing tourist and reporters to get inside the occupied country. They do this as they don't want a new 1989 for the world to see. Chinese news agents are spewing out propaganda at the moment, nothing that comes from them is accurate or true on what is happening.
Let's not forget the fact that China did invade Tibet in 1950 and claimed Tibet as there own, while Tibet is in fact indepent country that is military occupied. While in fact that is not the case. U.N should have for long time protested the China occupation of Tibet long time ago. It is however sad fact that the business deals prevent that from happening.
I expect information on the action of Chinese military forces to come to light soon. As I expect that the information is going to get out one way or an other. View of the Chinese public are based on what the government chooses to tell them, not necessary the facts of what is going on.
We are going to see more bloodshed to happen in Tibet for some time now. However, it is as question how much of it reaches international media.
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Because "Free USA!" just doesn't have the ring of "Free Tibet!" and the bumper stickers wouldn't be as colorful as the Tibet ones: red, white and blue as apposed the rainbow of the Tibet one?
Free Australia would just have all of us (me anyway) thinking Fosters is giving their beer away for free, and the Free South Africa was done by Nelson Mandela - a better man than I'll ever be.
I prefer Flambe as apposed flamebait.
I have a feeling that over time, as people increasingly leave the Communist party in favor of the booming economic opportunities that are exploding all over China, these sorts of government abuses will simply go away. Sure, the government will fight to maintain its position of power over everything, but there's only so long they can keep this going.
The information revolution is still in its early stages; there are still many institutions that depend upon hiding information to exist which haven't realized that their cloak of secrecy is blowing away in the breeze. China's government is the largest of these institutions - but they'll eventually discover that the harder you try to hide the information the more widely distributed it becomes.
Those authoritarian leaders can block YouTube - and their team of spooks can try to discover all the proxy servers and block them too. But it's a lost cause; they may slow the spread, but they can't prevent their tales from being told to all who are interested.
Will those leaders finally discover how to totally hide their misdeeds - or will they finally fall when their subjects discover what kind of leaders they have and vote them out / overthrow them?
It's going to take a few years for all this stuff to sort itself out. But I think that in the end, there's going to be a lot more freedom in this world of ours.
When you buy a product made in China you are indirectly supporting them. So why do it?
As far as the Chinese people and her Government are concerned, Tibet is and has always been a part of China. That's their point of view and that's why you're not going to see anything negative about this from China and her people. And why they don't give a rat's ass about what we decedent, stupid, lazy, barbarian Westerners have to say about it.
I prefer Flambe as apposed flamebait.
Given that amongst the /. readership there must be quite a few webmasters it should be possible to mirror some of the banned content on lots of webservers/sites around the world. If this was done, say, all on a single day and as such a day I would suggest day one of the games in August, then no way could China shut down access to all the sites at once. True, the average Chinese browser would have a job finding some sites, but if there were enough of them then the chances of someone stumbling upon the content would be pretty good. Also, links could be created to the content from other websites which have a higher profile. The web would be flooded with stuff the Chinese Govt doesn't want punters to see but they shouldn't be able to lop off large tracts of the web without annoying all the foreign journalists based there during the games.
Just a thought...
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Yeah its all the Muslims fault. Good call. Observant.
all chinese characters i have typed here became dot...
i take it as a censorship
China, in fact, is very fragile.
They should have done this in August - more publicity and much harder for the Chinese authorities to deny it had happened.
I find that Nico Nico Video is still accessible and fully usable. Yes, call me a weeaboo all you like for using a Japanese site but at least it works.
OSx86 FTW
The fact remains, however, that Tibet is an independent nation forcibly conquered and annexed by China. It is also a fact that China is blocking net access to news about Tibet. The Tibetan people have a right to have their country back. The Chinese people have a right to real news, news that isn't filtered and tweaked by the government. No amount of "preconceptions" should obscure our moral vision about this.
Sometimes you need to decide which side you're on.
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Since it's uch a mountainous,unpopulated,economically undeveloped area?Oh,maybe because it's our "Manifest Destiny".
I think what the above poster meant was that their attempts to control their population is similar to many extremist muslim countries. I think it's safe to say, based on China's past, the Chinese government tends to try and control what the average Chinese citizen sees and hears. If their philosophy is correct, why wouldn't they let the chips fall where they may and let truth prevail? To me, their attempts to silence information is testament to their fear their ideals won't hold water.
All I'm asking is why won't the Chinese government engage in intellectual debates instead of pretending differences don't exist?
Split it into even filegroups, china1 through china8
Task Mangler
America much?! (Really, think about it: why is your first reaction to a story about the Chinese government to claim that the US is just as bad in intent, if not in practice?)
Google's made it easy for them to block only the videos that make them look bad with their new country blocking XML tabs. Just add a "[media :restriction type="country" relationship="deny">CN]" and voi la! If you're not familiar with Google's latest (Do no evil???) addition to YouTube, do a little Googling to see the write-up that YouTomb did on the matter. China can either request it of Google or do a little in-session HTML mangling with their "Great Firewall". Bah! China can suck an egg...
Why not start with petitioning the US government to return Texas to Mexico?
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Because absolute moral consistency is not a prerequisite for doing the right thing.
More to the point, no one is blocking Texan access to the net, or anything else for that matter. Texans, and Mexicans, are fully aware of their history. The Chinese people are not aware of Tibet's recent history because the government controls the media and their access to the net.
Besides, Mexico acquired Texas by force from Spain, which had acquired it by force from any number of indigenous peoples, who, in turn, were often at each other's throats. How far back do you want to go? Few of us, if anyone, live on land that was not forcibly taken from someone else at some point in history.
-- Slashdot: When Public Access TV Says "No"
basically, the cenorship mainly affects the average interent user. it blocks the hottest topics through triggle words, nuked domain name. or black lists of websites. technically and usually, a working proxy can bypass most of these blockade. so reaching out is not really hard.. the main problem is the english language rather than the censorship.
Reading unlawful information is seldom interested by the authority, as long as the reader does not redistribute the information..
it's like to say. you can watch porn online.nobody cares, but if you build a website selling porn. the police will get you..
also amount of data would not interest the police. sharing porn video via p2p is quite rampant in china. the law bans it, but young computer user still have their way..
China, in fact, is very fragile.
"Few of us, if anyone, live on land that was not forcibly taken from someone else at some point in history."
Without commenting on China/Tibet, i would like to say that this is a point that really needs to be repeated more often, as most of the population doesn't seem to be aware of it.
Especially in the western regions, Chinese authoritarianism is mainly directed at preserving Han-Chinese supremacy over separatism among other ethnic groups, such as the Tibetans (in Tibet) and Turkic groups (in Xinjiang). This involves both the sort of direct control and suppression we see here, and more subtly and long-term, a program of sending Han Chinese settlers into those regions to dilute the non-Han majority.
As you might expect, you get different views on this issue if you talk to Han vs. non-Han Chinese citizens.
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Even though much of the world can't read Chinese anyway, it would be nice retaliation. Lets start by blocking all Chinese corporation web sites, then government sites. Let individuals, blogs, ordinary email get through. That would certainly reduce our trade deficit! Suddenly companies from countries with higher living wages would get a chance at the US market. Of course Walmart would go under, but who cares.
Because Free countries have forgoten that they got that way be acts of treason. If Puerto R or Hawaii wanted freedom ...the blood would flow just like during the civil war. Some conveient excuse would be used then later glossed over with a better one. And don't be fooled. There is no difference between Liberal Democrat or Conservative Republican, end the end they are all just servants to the monster they have created. Sad as it is to say, I forsee a day in my life, or the life of my children or grandchildren where those who think for themselves may be deemed terrorists and have to stand against their own country. What will the world say about the US then? Will there be sympathy for the poor government putting down these angry ursurpers? Or will there be "Free the People" movements?
Perhaps the government of China doesn't want his citizens to see how their fellow Chinese were beaten up by the tibetian mob, in order to avoid further public uproars? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmqWRoZaFMk
Chinese leaders encourage Internet use for education and business but use online filters to block access to material considered subversive or pornographic"
So China blocking Tibet protest video using online filters (aka Great FireWall of China) is in lieu with their current policy. I call what being done in Tibet by Chinese government is nothing less than perversive and subversive in the eyes of international people and governing body.
On the other hand, I'm glad that this is not being blocked by the Great Firewall of China.... After all, this is very educational to Chinese.
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"Don't let fools fool you. They are the clever ones."
Both Hu Jintao and Wen Jiabao got rickrolled.
In fact, YouTube had been banned even before Sunday in China. Since the Icelandic singer Björk's gave her live performance in Shanghai lastweek, singing a song "Declaring Independence" with the cry "Tibet! Tibe!", the trouble with YouTube began.
I haven't checked the TFA from Wired though. It seemed to be banned also. (I'm here in China.)
Colorless green Cthulhu waits dreaming furiously.
"Hypocrisy" and "Cuba".
China and the olympic comittee have already managed to get the next Olympic athletes to sign agreements that they will not blog or post anything about their participation, so what is next to be blocked? Will there be a censorship policy in place for the Olympics too?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=x9QNKB34cJo The video has already been there for 15 hours, during the first 12-13 hours, the viewer counter reached 100,388. So I guess many people are watching this. However, the viewer counter is unchanged for 3-4 hours. So youtube also blocked Chinese video?
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Of course, I get it, but seeing the idea of subversiveness from the outside looking in as opposed to how I grew up with it, made me stop and think.
When you break the word 'Subversive' down into its component words, Sub and Verse, it becomes plain; There is a song being sung, and in this case it is the Chinese national anthem. Those who live in China are compelled upon pain of something very painful to sing along. But the song is a lie, so those aware of this fact will sing off-key and drop in new words here and there, placing a sub-verse beneath the official line.
-FL
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
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I'm typing this from an internet bar in Harbin, north-east China, so this is the perfect time to do some testing.
You can't get through to youtube (it gets redirected to Baidu), as TFA states. Let's just see how good this firewall is by trying 'Tibet protests' into google.cn:
OK, you get enough pages to find out pretty much everything you need to know (although it does feel a little strange - I feel like the police are going to come and arrest me at any time).
Americans seem to think they have access to all the information. Unfortunately, that is far from the truth. For example, YouTube is blocking your access to a BBC's documentary right now. See evidence here: http://yyhh.org/blog/2008/03/youtube-censors-bbcs-documentary-usa
Mao worship has many of the characteristics of an intolerant monotheistic religion. Many more ironically enough than some varieties of Buddhism which have the koan "The higher Buddha is not Buddha".
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I have been living in China for almost 8 years and have never had a problem bypassing the great firewall. Tools such as tor, ssh, and usenet are widely known by most Chinese geeks, so such efforts just make the government look that much more incompetent. Everyone knows what is going on... The Chinese government is fighting a losing battle against the will of the people. At best, they can only act as a speed-bump in the path of democracy.
As a Han Chinese who have lived in US for the last 10 years, and as someone who have spent some of his most memorable childhood years in Tibetan region, and who have a cousin married a Tibetan man, I am saddened by the whole things. I am especially disappointed by the rampant ignorance, bigotry and hatred displayed by all sides towards one another on most of the media, forums, and blogs. I don't think people are making any positive contributions to the situation. For people whose daily lives are actually involved, you guys can feel all the moral righteousness you want, but it means nothing, and you are only making things worse. Many Tibetan people think US can solve all their problems, but that is just a completely false illusion. Please do not help perpetrate that illusion any more. Perhaps you guys do not even realize that it is just a illusion because you guys are the victim of your own media's propaganda? For example, I have repeatedly pointed out that YouTube is blocking your access to a video about Tibet, no one seems to care. As someone who is already calling this country home, I find it frightening that you guys just voluntarily filter out information that does not fit your preconception.
So just like any sane person from a modern free democracy, there is no fear that the autocrats ideals 'won't hold water', there is an absolute certainty that the autocrats ideals 'don't hold water' and the only way they can hold back freedom and democracy is with carefully managed lies and the point of a bayonet.
The current Chinese governments insists it has the right to use military aggression to maintain and obtain dominance over countries based upon the flimsiest of historical ties, so Tibet, Taiwan, and even Korea as well as some other regions suffer under oppression or the threat of future aggression.
That the Olympics should be held in autocratic countries at all, points to that fact that Olympic sized profits and marketing deals take precedence over the ideals and values of amateur athletes from the past. Although it already appears that some athletes are bowing out rather than taking the risk of exposure to carcinogenic pollutants prevalent in the Beijing environment.
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One could argue that this is something which was done 50 years ago, just like with Israel and Palestine. So now we should either tell tibet to consider themselves part of China, or have the same negative reaction to new Israeli settlement in the gaza band.
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Just a thought, but I think it will be quite some time, decades, before we see significant change in China in terms of the Party's dealings with corruption, their own people, and the outside world.
This chance will only come about by pressure from within, not without, and it takes a few generations for this to happen. At the moment, most people in China are battling for their livelihood. Barring an actual civil uprising, people are too preoccupied to enact any change.
Then there's the growing middle class, which - in its infancy, as we've seen in our own experience - begins to concentrate far too much on wealth creation to risk rocking their boats now filled with commodity items. It will be a couple of generations before the middle class becomes relaxed enough to think outside their boxes.
Unfortunately, in general, as long as China is managed in such a heavy-handed way, people will be too scared - or too complicit - to demand anything change, not until the middle class becomes more powerful and - most importantly - more confident. I think that time is still quite far away. A boom time is no time for revolutions.
The "other side" somehow conveniently forgets that in the 1950 it invaded Tibet, a sovereign nation. Fencing with the opinion of a bunch of kids doesn't make it right. Tibet was invaded and now the Chinese want to modernise it; what exactly is the other side to that story?
[citation needed]
All 19 hijackers were known terrorists 09-10-2001. Lack of FBI intelligence does not justify warrantless wiretaps..
What a moronic point of view you have. "If you have never lived in China don't comment" is not an argument - just plain arrogance. I would be less inclined to read the comments and opinions of a Jingoist Chinese National on the subject of Tibet and take his or her opinions with low regard based on their having lived in China than the opinions of anyone else. My opinion is that China is still the Sick Man of Asia who bullies and intimidates occupied peoples and is so insecure that they feel they will collapse if they give Tibetians or others the dignity and independence they deserve. Not the sign of a strong country at all. The sign of a weak, morally bankrupt Government and nation. I was already personally going to boycott the Olympics and would suggest everyone do the same. China out of Tibet.
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I have asked them multiple times... let me see, how many characters do YOU see. Basic characters like Euro are not supported.
THAT comment oughta guarantee slashdot being blocked. :D
Nicely played, Sir. Nicely played.
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Well, I might be crazy to spend an hour to read through all comments during work time. I was amazed by the fact that 95% of the people who posted comments only knew China, Tibet, and their relations from your own propagandas. Here are a few questions you may want to ask yourself for answers, I suppose slashdotters are not as stupid as diggers: 1. Many westerners automatically picture a peace loving individuals when heard the word 'monk'. There are many types of monks, and the Yellow Hat monks are everything but peace loving. They OWN the entire Tibetan populations as their own property. They can kill a Tibetan just like you can break your Ikea table, nothing less, nothing more. Panchen Lama and Dalai Lama, the two 'living gods' of Tibet, were the world's biggest slave owners before Dalia fled Tibet and Panchen gave in 2. Even the international law experts who hold the most sympathy on Tibet have problems finding evidence that Tibet was ever an indepedent country. Since Ming dynastry, China started ruling of Tibet, and the establishment of Living Gods required approval of the central government. China did not intervene much of its internal administrations, but took over its defence and diplomat activities 3. When Muslims target their violence to civilians, you call those terrorists, when Tibetans kill Han civilians, you called that fight for freedom?
Here is another reference. Here is a CIA video on Tibet. CIA supplied Dalai Lama's organization with arms, just like it did for Bin Laden. Today we call them Terrorists. To me, Dalai Lama is just like one of Cuban lobbyist trying to get back to his good old days
First, its all the hacking into our government and
Wait, you don't think that our government is trying to break into every military computer system in China? That the Chinese are engaging in spying on the US, and that we don't employ spies outselves? Interesting...
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Just use a vpn service like Surfbouncer and it zips right through. They can't block the vpn without blocking business transactions. They won't do that because at the end of the day money talks. http://www.surfbouncer.com/
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We can still search youtube for Tibet videos, but when we try to view a youtube video, we get the following message: "This video is not available in your country." This means that it is youtube that is doing the blocking, not the Chinese government (we have access to all sorts of other "subversive" material including Tibet videos from other sources. This is a highly disturbing development of youtube blocking videos in a place with normally free press--and then blaming the Chinese government for filtering.
another stereotype...
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50 years ago, any person doing wrong was called communist
and now muslim. Good job, keep it up. You are no sicker than
a muslim, if not more.