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You might be interested in another UK news outlet's take on the story, here.

The BBC, although trusted and mostly accurate, is becoming more and more tabloidy. Just look at how many of their main stories are 'in quotes like this'; a sure sign they are reporting second hand news, press releases and suppositions.

The Guardian has always offered a fairly good view of issues, and I would happily recommend it to those in the US who are keen for an outsider's view of the US.

As has been said - the universe was generated algorythmically, Theres a good article here - its an exerpt from a very good book called Backroom Boys talking about Bell and Braben and how Elite came to be...

Infant mortality skyrocketed in the rest of Iraq during the sanctions years. Lack of access to medicines, clean water, basic nutrition.

TheGuardian says that your claim of 500,000 children being killed is false.

Of course, it is a shame that Saddam spent the money for their food and medicine on building large lavish palaces, buying weapons, building illegal missiles, and stashing billions abroad. Don't you agree?

Its not just Microsoft. Yahoo customized their software for China in order to censor certain topics. I believe google did the same.

Lets talk about censorship shall we ?, can you handle the truth ?, from where i sit China's is looking good at the moment compared to some places

Disney and Pixar share (as in 50/50) profits after Disney takes a 12.5% cut for distributing the movie.

That's a LOT of coin. Disney has been raping Pixar for years, and Eisner's real burning over the Toy Story 2 fiasco (Pixar did the feature movie thinking it would count as a feature, Eisner let them think that while holding them to the original terms of the contract -- sequals don't count toward fulilling the contract) has left a lot of animosity at Pixar.

So, I'm sure that Pixar put Eisner in a real bad situation. Disney simply can't afford to let Pixar (and it's BILLIONS in super-reliable profit) go, and yet Pixar has made a big enough name for themselves and is pissed off enough at Disney that they will make an offer that Disney simply can't afford. At the same time, they can't bury the movies, as they add too much risk-free profit to the bottom line.

In essence, in this deal, Disney is screwed.

the traditional religions in Asia have absolutely no problems with cloning or experimentation on embryos (which is basically verboten in western countries)

Well, the argueing over the facts can stop. The Hutton report is now out.

At a Glance

[Lord Hutton] said that nobody involved in the controversy could have "contemplated Dr Kelly would take his own life", no matter what pressures he had been put under.

"Whatever pressures and strains Dr Kelly was subject to by the decisions and actions taken in the weeks before his death, I am satisfied that no one realised or should have realised that these pressures and strains might have driven him to take his own life or contribute to his decision to do so," Lord Hutton said./blockquote

[Lord Hutton] said that nobody involved in the controversy could have "contemplated Dr Kelly would take his own life", no matter what pressures he had been put under.

"Whatever pressures and strains Dr Kelly was subject to by the decisions and actions taken in the weeks before his death, I am satisfied that no one realised or should have realised that these pressures and strains might have driven him to take his own life or contribute to his decision to do so," Lord Hutton said./blockquote

[Lord Hutton] said that nobody involved in the controversy could have "contemplated Dr Kelly would take his own life", no matter what pressures he had been put under.

"Whatever pressures and strains Dr Kelly was subject to by the decisions and actions taken in the weeks before his death, I am satisfied that no one realised or should have realised that these pressures and strains might have driven him to take his own life or contribute to his decision to do so," Lord Hutton said./blockquote

[Lord Hutton] said that nobody involved in the controversy could have "contemplated Dr Kelly would take his own life", no matter what pressures he had been put under.

"Whatever pressures and strains Dr Kelly was subject to by the decisions and actions taken in the weeks before his death, I am satisfied that no one realised or should have realised that these pressures and strains might have driven him to take his own life or contribute to his decision to do so," Lord Hutton said./blockquote

Palestinian groups don't attack the Israeli military - the military has lots of guns, and shoots back. Blowing up Israeli children is so much easier.

Yeah, right.

They essentially took comments from a CIA Analyst level expert, spun them, and reported them as anonymous comments from a Cabinet level member.)

I'm not aware of when they did that. Gilligan said
I've spoken to a British official who was involved in the preparation of the dossier
quote taken directly from Transcript of Gilligan's report on the Today programme

If you believe that they meant a cabinet level official from that, well then I'd suggest that's your problem. If they said it elsewhere, well I'd like to see a transcript of when they did.

They turned on Murdoch's Sky News instead.

You shouldnt be surprised by this at all. Read this piece of trash that recently appeared in The Guardian. These people are internet and computer illiterates; nothing wrong with that, until of course you portray yourself as a source of correct information about this very important subject and the way it can influnce the flow of news.

What is amazing is that there is not one person on The Guardian's staff that can get the facts right when they write about anything related to the internet or computers, even on a most important and politically sensitive subject like this.

We need to remember that at the end of the day, The Guardian is just another newspaper. Whilst we may have applauded it for its recent coverage of the Iraq debacle, its still run by the same sort of people who run The Telegraph and The Times; Fleet Street Journalists - for whome "truth" and "accuracy" are just pawns on a chessboard.

So yes, technically speaking, the BBC should not have a "side" of the story -- even if they are involved. Their journalists should report this Hutton Inquiry news in a factual and even-handed manner. No slant.

Oh my fucking word. You've either never read the Guardian or are trolling.

wrong

Major media bodies including News International, IPC Media, the Commercial Radio Companies Association, Associated Newspapers and Guardian Newspapers, are to submit a response to Philip Graf, who is heading the Government's probe into the BBC's internet activities, within the next few weeks.

No, obviously you are the one who's been deficient in the Guardian reading department.

Haven't you been paying attention? Saddam didn't have weapons of mass destruction, he had weapons programme related activities. Please do try to keep up.

29 May: BBC defence correspondent Andrew Gilligan tells the Today programme that a senior British official has told him that the government's dossier on Iraq...

BBC web page timeline

July 7: The government says the official is not one of the senior officials involved in drawing up the September dossier, but an expert who has advised ministers on weapons of mass destruction.

MediaGuardian.co.uk timeline

Undeniably the success of Jackson's epic has left Hollywood with a slight case of egg-on-face. This was a trilogy shot right outside the establishment orbit; filmed in Jackson's native New Zealand and funded by the independent New Line Cinema after original backers Miramax demanded that the entire story be condensed into a single two-hour movie.

In the view of many experts, The Lord of the Rings was shaping up to be the biggest disaster in cinema history. Now it has gone down as one of its greatest triumphs. Evidence suggests that February 29 will be the date of Hollywood's official mea culpa. Assuming that Return of the King wins best picture (and you'd be a fool to bet against it), it will in effect be an award for all three films. The same goes for Jackson's probable nod as best director.

America is at war with Saddam. America has always been at war with Saddam.

America is at war with Osama. America has always been at war with Osama.

time 6.14.02 reporting doubleplusungood refs unpersons rewrite fullwise upsub antefiling

America is fighting a new kind of war.

>VHS vs Betamax

This might draw flames, but VHS won because it was better.

Technically better? So-so.

"Better" Better? Yes.

VHS didn't require special licencing (*), used tapes that could fit most all movies, and had 96% of the technical accuracy of Beta (230 vs. 240 lines). Most of all, it wasn't made by Sony, and therefore made well (talk to anyone who has serviced anything from Sony).

The more verbose explainations.

(*) Yes, the articles mention that Sony tried to licence Beta. Note the active word: Licence. Unlike JVC, who, from day one, worked *with* other companies to get VHS technology into the hands of consumers. Sony just wanted to sell Beta, and only while their hand was forced to do it, not help others develop it. The moment they had stamped out VHS they would have ceased to licence it, guaranteed.

(**) No, Beta isn't BetaCam any more than VHS is S-VHS. :-)

"Bob Geldof's knighthood is not honorary. He is addressed as Sir Bob Geldof."

A couple of Irish citizens who also hold British nationality have accepted full knighthoods with the permission of the government, notably former Heinz supremo and current newspaper magnate Tony O'Reilly (or Dr Sir Anthony J. F. O'Reilly as he probably prefers to be known).

It's true that Bob Geldof is often styled 'Sir Bob' in the media, but this is not an official title, and the status of his knighthood is no different from that of Spielberg or Greenspan.

While civil liberties in the country seem to be going down the toilet, Iraq doesn't seem to be better off.

The caucuses in Iraq that the Bush administration is planning are not "Iowa" style caucuses. Instead of everyone showing up at a townhall to discuss issues and elect leaders, the American administrators of Iraq will choose representatives from each area.

No wonder the Bush administration doesn't want free elections! More info here.

It's not rabid anti-Bush propaganda. The Bush administration fully acknowledges the massive debt we're sinking into. Future generations of taxpayers will have to pay it off. The MoveOn ad's portrayal of this reality is artistic license, may even be anti-Bush, but hardly "rabid," and definitely not propaganda. Look to ONDCP's drug ads for better examples of propaganda.

"It is not the consumer that will suffer, just CD Wow's profit margins. They made a lot of money out of cheap CDs"

The BPI has also launched proceedings against Play.com, a Jersey-based online retailer of CDs, DVDs and video games, which operates on a similar basis. And Amazon.com could be drawn into the row because it sells CDs to UK customers that are not available in this country, undercutting traditional high street retailers. The BPI could argue that they are acting without the consent of UK record companies.

The Transatlantic Alliance.

Courtesy of The Guardian

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President Bush last night declared the US to be on a mission to "lead the cause of freedom" and claimed his doctrine of pre-emptive military action had advanced the cause of democracy and non-proliferation around the world.

Read the full Guardian story and the full text of George Bush's speech here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/

Please note: this talkthread was originally set up to discuss 2003 state of the union speech.

Guardian Unlimited Talk

Top | Previous | All messages | Outline (468 previous messages) macthebrief - 11:00am Jan 21, 2004 BST (#469 of 486)

Stench of the Union Speech:

"Trust me, your captain and we will fight the evil-doers from the outside and keep you safe on the inside"

Works every time.
benni - 11:16am Jan 21, 2004 BST (#470 of 486)

George Bush = Peace? Count the words.

Terror/ist/s/ism x 20 - Kill/ed/er/s/ing x 11 - War x 10 - Good x 8 - Peace x 5 - God/'s x 3 - Love x 2
guilttrip - 12:31pm Jan 21, 2004 BST (#471 of 486)

what the fuck was that about ashley pearson? he's used that stunt before and blair used it at conference (remember the little girl whose family couldn't afford an alarm clock until labour came to power?

junior; '..and ashley...if you see a man in uniform.................say.... "thank you..." '
Irgalmatlan - 02:05pm Jan 21, 2004 BST (#472 of 486)

It's 9/11, 24/7 until 11/2......

What would this administration have done without the horrific attacks on New York?

I haven't seen any evidence of either they, or the wars that followed, "getting in the way" of other policy agendas that had to be put on hold due to these lamentable circumstances.
rose - 02:26pm Jan 21, 2004 BST (#473 of 486)

Bush said. "And one reason is clear: For diplomacy to be effective, words must be credible. And no one can now doubt the word of America."

Like Saddam had WMD?
rose - 02:29pm Jan 21, 2004 BST (#474 of 486)

"There is a difference, however, between leading a coalition of many nations and submitting to the objections of a few. America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people."

Didn't he want the world's permission to free the people of Iraq? Or is he still saying Saddam had WMD?
rose - 02:39pm Jan 21, 2004 BST (#475 of 486)

"As part of the offensive against terror, we are also confronting the regimes that harbor and support terrorists and could supply them with nuclear, chemical or biological weapons. The United States and our allies are determined: We refuse to live in the shadow of this ultimate danger."

He continues to state that Saddam was behind 9-11. But I understand the man; once you start lying you have to continue and it gets worse and worse. But Congress? Do they have to cheer when he says this? And the US media? And the US public? Has a whole nation gone mad?
rose - 03:05pm Jan 21, 2004 BST (#476 of 486)

"We are working with Iraqis and the United Nations to prepare for a transition to full Iraqi sovereignty by the end of June"

Si this is why Bush has been courting Annan these past few days. Just so that he could insert this part into his address.
evilissimo - 03:28pm Jan 21, 2004 BST (#477 of 486)

so Ive just read the speech - what's the deal with all the interventionist government bullshit? "defending" marriage with Consitutional ammendments? lecturing big name athletics? "encouraging right choices" in abstinence and drug use?

what business is it of government to meddle in these things? Republicans go on and on about being the party of small government, and personal responsibility, and push all this paternalistic bullshit on the public? what assholes.
Poke

I'm no lover of porn, but neither do I like the hypocricy of the announcement. This seems at least as much a way to block competition, and to try to prevent backlash when they carry their own "adult" services.

Golden rule: Follow the money!

See
3G network may carry adult video, or Mobile phone video service bypasses 3G.

I'm no lover of porn, but neither do I like the hypocricy of the announcement. This seems at least as much a way to block competition, and to try to prevent backlash when they carry their own "adult" services.

Golden rule: Follow the money!

See
3G network may carry adult video, or Mobile phone video service bypasses 3G.

'Internet grooming': definition and processes.

• When fabrications appear in the Times, we find out about them first from the Times' open admissions and internal investigations.

• When fabrications appear on Fox News, we find out about them (if we do at all) from sources other than Fox.

I don't know to what you are referring to here, but please, out with these fabrications that Fox News is guilty of. Are they anywhere, at all, comparable to the years of blatant plagiarism and faked stories that Jayson Blair committed and were they known about for years internally and covered up?

• This distinction is to the Times' credit, and speaks to its greater value of journalistic integrity.

What incredible journalistic integrity! The Metro editor, a YEAR before the story recommended immediate dismissal:

By April 2002, Jonathan Landman, the paper's Metro editor, was prompted to send an email, apparently to senior Times employees. "We have to stop Jayson from writing for the paper," it read. "Right now." Blair went on leave and came back, according to reports, on the understanding that he would be writing smaller, closely monitored assignments. "

But, it seems, the abuses continued and actually got far worse in the upcoming year, falsely reporting on the Washingon area sniper and Jessica Lynch. Hardly, smaller assignments and apparently without close monitoring. Yes, that's a record to be proud of, alright.

I suggest we apply the Sharia-law on these cockroaches.

Antonio Meucci.

Bell didn't invent the telephone, US rules

I hope SCO spends itself out of existence on legal fees.

That would be awful both for Red Hat and IBM (who should otherwise be getting some amount of reparations in their countersuits) and for SCO's current investors, some of whom probably imagine that the US has a swift justice system that wouldn't allow SCO to make outright lies without sanction.

Reserve your ire for SCO's current leaders, particularly the ones whose insider trades (filing to buy stock options and sell shares after SCO's internal discussion of the IBM litigation but before that litigation became public knowledge) and deception have earned them millions of dollars so far. These guys are next to the Enron executives in the United States' ongoing experiment: "How hard is it to profit from million dollar lies and escape punishment?"

On any Google search, you're going to get some irrelevant results. If your eyes are closed, that's all you'll choose to see. But on the search I gave you, the first three pages also held:

US investigates space bomber

Pentagon planning for space bomber

Bush plans 'space bomber'

Pentagon planning for space bomber;
Documents show how X-plane could be used by military

NASA Brings Back Plans To Fly X-37 Demonstrator In Orbit for 270 Days

A Defense Agenda for 21st Century Warfare

Check them out, Mr. Coward.

I wish we could add that quote to this list. It's better than "resolve and committment", that's for sure.

these ones

but you wouldnt see them since your head is in the sand

Sorry; this link was supposed to go under my comment "They Certainly are" -- evidence that journalists are being harrassed by the US military currently. That's what I get for not hitting preview.

The level of welfare spending in the UK at the moment is such that you could just give every man, woman and child in the country GBP 3000 (USD 5400 approx) every year, no questions asked. That works out as very nearly the current average household income!

GBP 3,000 is much smaller than the average income in the UK, which was GBP 23,607 in 2002, somewhat above the GBP 3,000 you quote. (This is an average, but given that the minimum wage is at least GBP 3.80 per hour (GBP 4.50 for those over 21), and assuming one works a 38 hour week 48 weeks of the year, this equates to a minimum income of GBP 6,931).

The difference between the money that goes into the welfare budget and comes out suggests that this is not a good use of money!

Surely, that depends whether you are unemployed, sick, disabled, mentally ill or living in poor accommodation, doesn't it? I presume you are none of the above. However, if a mentally ill person were to attack you in the street, you'd consider a welfare system quite desirable. If you were mugged or burgled, you might wonder if it would have been a good idea for the state to provide a safety net for that person before they turned to crime.

It would even be preferable to the current system if the entire government department responsible was simply abolished, all its bureaucrats fired, and the money paid directly to each citizen by the treasury.

Since the treasury doesn't actually own that money, surely it would be simpler not to tax citizens at all?

You know, you're probably living in the wrong country. There are places in the world without all this wasteful welfare baloney. We call them 'Third World Countries' -- perhaps you've seen them on the news -- their citizens tend to be a strange colour? Do you think that there might be even the slightest chance that there is a direct economic link between the quality of life in a given country and the degree of welfare support provided to the citizens of that country? It doesn't all boil down to this, but it's a significant contributory factor.

This report links vaccines to Gulf War syndrome.

You'll find more details and references in this overview, including an article from the Guardian. So far, the story is about rats, but Professor Gunter Oberdorster of the University of Rochester in New York said: "It's too early to be alarmed, because we don't yet know what the particles might do in humans. We shouldn't stop working with them, we should just look for what adverse effects these particles might cause." Now, more experiments are needed to determine how nanoparticles can enter our brains. In the mean time, let's hope that nanotechnology research will continue and will not be harmed by a moratorium.

the 'aviation engineer' in question is Barnes Wallace. The 'Bouncing Bomb' was used in the successful attacks to flood the industrial Ruhr Valley in Germany, by destroying the reservoir dams. He chose 220mph, rather than 25mph. I guess the stalling speed of a Lancaster bomber is a little high for that.

I've skipped stones (at a precise 20degrees) at Ladybower reservoir in Derbyshire, UK, where the practise flights were made - like many WW2 bombing operations, there was no attention to 'collateral damage':

Guardian Unlimited
Two dams out of the three targeted - the Mohne and Eder - were breached. Thirteen hundred civilians were killed, including nearly 500 slave labourers from the Ukraine - mostly women. Local towns were flooded, trains washed off their tracks and six electricity stations put out of action.

I wonder if he graduated from the same British bastion of learning that employs a professor who rejected an Israeli's application for a position because of Israel's policies.

How is this remark in any way germane to the current discussion of global warming? This is like me, for instance, pointing out that Ariel Sharon is a war criminal. Not relevant, not relevant...

"There is no job that is America's God-given right anymore," Carly Fiorina, chief executive for Hewlett-Packard Co. "
Ahh but Hewlett-Packard Co.'s Tax cut via Dubbya....... That is God Given....
Or at least buy a guy who thinks God put him their...... "...Bush said to James Robinson: 'I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can't explain it, but I sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen... I know it won't be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it.' " ;)

Ehhh.... These folks crack me up....

Exactly as Steve Bell observed in the Guardian yesterday.

8 of 19 alleged hijackers are still alive.

Waleed M Alshehri - alive and well in Casablanca, Morocco

Marwan Al Shehhi - Alive; same link as above

Ahmed Alghamdi - Alive; same link as above

Wail M Alshehri - Alive

Ahmed Alnami - Alive; same link as above

Abdulaziz Alomari - Working for Saudi Telecom

Salem Alhamzi - Working at a petrochemical company

Saeed Alghamdi - Alive; same link as above

Parent post is copied straight out of a review from The Guardian's Books section.

Review the poster's history. Poster generally copies others' highly moderated comments and reposts them as his own -- a Troll attempting to gain Karma.