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Maybe the geeks of the world...Could go to Iraq and help clean up the civilian dead still rotting on the highways thanks to the US's glorious war of liberation?
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Re:HAHAHA 0WN3D, B3330000TCH35!!
That has been the case since the fall of the Soviet Union and will be true for at least another decade, when China gets its legs.
The point being, now everyone knows it. The gloves are off and the neo-cons will strike while the iron is hot. On the one hand, the U.S. denies that it intends to hit Syria and Iran next and on the other hand they're already setting up to do exactly that.
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Re:BAGHDAD (NEARLY) DOWN, PARIS ON DECK
Only if you can somehow manage to keep all of your citizens out of prison.
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Friendly Fire (again)...and in other related news:
Americans are still bombing allies as usual. This one seems even more stupid than the plethora of those before him:
BBC Article
The Independent (newspaper) article
Sorry, I couldn't find any references to this article in the US media... I wonder why...
I quote:
...the US pilot apparently failed to recognise that their tanks were a British make, with special coalition identification aids and even a large Union flag on another machine in the five-vehicle convoy. ...and another:
"Combat is what I've been trained for. I can command my vehicle. I can keep it from being attacked. What I have not been trained to do is look over my shoulder to see whether an American is shooting at me."
I mean, loads of people in all countries all joke about Americans firing on their own and on their allies, but this is getting ridiculous. American's even supplied aids to the British to put on their vehicles "so you don't get shot" but they're still shooting at us.
I think I'm right in saying that more British soldiers have died as a result of US friendly fire than they have by being shot by Iraqis.
I quote from an article on canada.com:
According to the American War Library, the number of friendly fire casualties involving the U.S. military has gone up dramatically: Second World War (21 per cent of all casualties), Korea (18 per cent), Vietnam (39 per cent) and Gulf War (49 per cent).
Isn't there anything someone can do to improve on this situation? It seems the US pilots have aids to prevent this, but they're too trigger happy to actually use them.
If you mod this as flamebait, then you haven't read the linked articles and haven't realised that this is a genuine problem and not some kind of war propaganda. -
Unbiased War News?
I recommend looking to The Onion. It is, after all, America's Finest News Source.
In all seriousness, I shall probably be checking the BBC's web site regularly (News Ticker (Win32) | RSS), as well as buying a decent newspaper for greater depth and insight.
Of course, for those committed to both sides of the argument, I recommend visiting Al-Jazeera with the use of a Arabic-English translator. Apparently, Al-Jazeera will soon be launching an English language service (e.g. the end of March).
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Well, duh!
Newsflash: Americans just don't care about much of anything!
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Murder, American Style Re:But is it him?
Don't forget this story. I think that the terrorists have won.
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Check your facts
Funny, since the White Man was in America long before any of the so-called 'native americans' were. I assume you've heard of the Kennewick man, but there are other discoveries as well.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_medica l/story.jsp?story=358001
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/s keleton_ohio001127.html
http://heritageanddestiny.com/LostWhiteAmerica.htm (a good overview) -
Links as far left as you can get
I check out slashdot, anandtech and other tech and science links. Also news.google.com and csmonitor.com (Christian Science Monitor). These to get an idea of the mainstream. I can't stand CNN and such so I skip those. Then I move on to my far left political links:
From the Wilderness http://www.fromthewilderness.com/
What Really Happened http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/
Centre for Research on Globalization http://www.globalresearch.ca/
Center for Cooperative Research http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/home.htm
Independent Media Center http://www.indymedia.org
Emperor's New Clothes http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/911page.htm
9-11 the people's investigation http://www.911pi.com/
Guerrilla News Network http://www.guerrillanews.com
International A.N.S.W.E.R. http://www.internationalanswer.org/
UK: The Observer (John Pilger) http://www.observer.co.uk/
UK: Independent (Robert Fisk) http://argument.independent.co.uk/
As a side note, I rarely use browser bookmarks; I keep my own index.html that I update daily, putting in references to articles I like and updating the top portion, of which the above are a subset. Then I can keep a copy of this on the internet in case I ever need it from a remote location. -
And... the US plans to use illegal bio-weaponsI find it rather hard to believe that the science editors found any evidence that their journals were being used by terrorists to craft bio-terror weapons.
In all the caves we searched in Afghanistan, I don't remember any mention of science journals. Nor did any of the spy satellite pictures that Powell presented to the United Nations have any scientific journals in them. What a 'smoking gun' that would be, the latest 'Nature' sitting next to a cave toilet.
However, there is one nation that is planning on using bio-terror weapons.
And that is the United States:
"While American forces invading Iraq face the threat of chemical attack, they could themselves be using biochemical agents which are banned under international law."
US plans to use illegal weapons
Anyone that can see past the spin of ABC News sees that the US government is controlling information because it is trying to corner the market on bio-terror, disabling legitimate use of new science by other nations, much less terrorists.
In this modern world, it is weakening the system of checks and balances that has kept us away from World War III for 50+ years. The French feel that if this war with Iraq goes forward, it will lead to 100 years of new wartime. Only the United States and Israel seem to want this.
In the meantime, I would urge all scientists to speak in their communities and make it be known they will not stand for censorship. If science goes down that road, scientists will not be safe, science will not be safe, and the world will not be safe.
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Re:I'll bite.On that question the U.S. is lying. They have shown no evidence.
You people have got to WAKE UP!
We're drowning in evidence. Iraq is building a reactor. For what? Why do you suppose the most oil-abundant nation in the world has been feverishly investing billions of dollars in nuclear reactors? (And Iraq's GDP in 2000 was just $6.6B.) Concerns about fossil fuel emissions? This is the madman who set oil wells on fire at the end of the Gulf War which burned for many months (years?) spewing black smoke into the atmosphere.
See the first item on this page, Iraq: Failing To Disarm
Videos, audio, pictures, slide shows, and transcripts. Featured are Secretary of State Colin Powell's 76-minute presentation to the U.N. and a "60 Minutes" interview. The first hour of Powell's presentation is about Saddam's WMD and his systematic means of deception to make fools of U.N. weapons inspectors. The last 16 minutes are devoted to Iraqi terrorist connections, which is the main kind of evidence for which you are asking. -
This is a complete lie.
An independent survey at Stand has been taken, amongst others, where the overwhelming majority of responses have been against the introduction of an ID card of any kind.
The Government consultation emall address automagically responded to all submissions with "Thank you for your email in support of the introduction of entitlement cards". Its clear that they want to push this through wether it will reduce crime and fraud or not, and wether anyone wants these cards or not.
The Home Secretary himeslf had his identity stolen by a journalist to highlight the dangers of identity theft, which will without a doubt rise if these new cards are introduced.
For an insight into why these cards are true evil, read this piece in The Guardian about how the Spanish have been habituated into ID cards like battery chickens who refuse to leave thier cages when the doors are opened.
Really, if Europeans want to have ID cards, no one in the UK has a problem with that, and no one here is interested in arguing with Europeans who think that ID cards are "no problem at all". If you want ID cards, you are free(??!) to use them all you like. The British do not want them, under any circumstances short of actual war in Europe, and even then, only temporarily.
For us ID cards are a waste of time, money and most importantly, a violation of the human rights of British Citizens. -
and of course, in related news...from The Independent:
Last week AOL Time Warner, a colossal empire whose products vary from Harry Potter films to Now magazine, reported it had made a loss of $99bn in 2002
andNow AOL is taking drastic action to reduce its $27bn debt, first spinning off the cable division. There is speculation the book publishing and music divisions might be sold off to raise money, and even Time magazine could be on the block. The new chairman, Dick Parsons, must be fuming about the potential loss of these media gems, sacrificed to solve a problem aggravated by internet silliness.
Didn't the words "Don't", "Put", "Eggs", "All", "One" and "Basket" ever occur to them?
No-one ever found stability by cooking the books and following the twisted whims of their investors. Say no to gambling, kids. -
AOLTW : Re:NASA site mission STS-107
Yes, it would certainly take a NASA researcher to count it all.
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Re:Not to be a troll here but...Statistics are good, but this article is better:
The trouble is that many American people don't seem to understand that the US is planning to liberate the Iraqi's (some of them) from their mortal coils. The rest will be placed under a US friendly dictator, who will crush and suppress them for the US government, much as Saddam Hussein did before he went "off the reservation."
Of course, some people are both bloodthirsty enough and feel safe enough that they don't care about the people the US State is planning to kill for the greater glory of mercantilism. I like to think that most people have just been anesthetized by propaganda, though.
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Re:wow yeah!
Just for the record a reference to the namecheck for this article in the UK Independent newspaper.
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Blair Denies Link Between Terrorists, Iraq +2
Read about it here
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Give me a break....
"While I think such an audacious effort is most certainly commendable,..." Oh for Pete's sake. Here we have a communist government that is the complete antithesis of all things open and free and the fact that they are making a crap processor (and probably making 10 year-old girls work fourteen hour days to produce them (China ) is commendable. Step away from your keyboard and think for a few minutes folks. Making homebrew processors is not ideological. Killing people for disagreeing with you is. What is commendable here? ER
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Here's Why The U.S. Hijacked The Iraq Dossier +1
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Re:America....
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Obviously doesn't reflect the UK market..."Vinyl sales are also on the increase, thanks to exposure in films like High Fidelity and their popularity with dance music fans. Both single and album sales have increased in the past year. The vinyl market is now estimated to be worth £28.1m after growing 17 per cent."
From here
All my friends are DJ's. I see a lot of vinyl... -
Re:Kennewick man.
The fate of Kennewick man is still a matter of some debate. A court approved study on the remains, but the American Indian tribes are trying to halt research while the decision is appealed.
For an example of why these findings are so political, check out this related story in The Guardian speculating that the Mexican remains might show the first Americans were of European origin.
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Re:If I was American...I'd be curious to know how specifically the US government benefits from the oil in Iraq after a war. Keep in mind that Saddam (is that his surname?) could very well destroy all of his oil facilities and set all his wells alight if he senses the end is nigh.
The middle east, and much of the Mediterranean, is like a giant oil sump, the lowest point (plug, if you like) of which is Iraq, which is why there has been so much (US) interest in the past 20+ years in the 'stability' of the region. After the last Gulf war, Cheney's Haliburton (which was already quite involved in Iraq) were awarded the contract to rebuild the oil fields after the allies bombed them to smithereens. Talk about a job-creation scheme! Now France and Russian companies have developed oilfields in Iraq, but they're afraid they're going to lose out to the US should Iraq have a US-mandated regime-change.
Basically, you have to be pretty naiive to discount the probability that US companies won't be quids in if the current Iraqi regime is destroyed - which I'd love to see happen, by the way, but not by the current "Sink and you're innocent, float and you drown"/"If we find weapons, we bomb you, if not, you must be hiding them and we bomb you anyway" witchunt.
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People are too serious.
This is a bad thing happening in the U.S. culture. People are too serious. I didn't assume Tannaz is a male. It was just a sloppy joke. Anyhow, I don't speak Farsi.
The big issue is that the U.S. senators and representatives have not bought themselves some good programming for communication. Why are things still such a mess?
My middle eastern friends and I joke about the U.S. government's love of bombing:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
By joking about the U.S. invading the island of Kiribati, the New Zealand publication Spinner has delayed a plan by the U.S. government to invade every other country. The U.S. military forces plan to start with the small countries first, then work their way up to the larger ones.
The U.S. government has invaded 14 countries in the last 33 years, and has found it so profitable that it decided to invade all the others.
U.S. Army General Mayhem said yesterday that the military would delay the invasions while they investigate the possibility that Spinner's story was prompted by a security leak.
General Mayhem said that the U.S. would not actually invade every other country. There are no plans to invade France. "We wouldn't want to seem arrogant", he said.
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Re:New cluster hardware is...
You'd be surprised about the stability of C&W - be careful what you wish for. According to this article, Exodus may not be a C&W product for much longer. And if they can't sell it, you know what they might do... liquidation, baby. We're getting out of Exodus while the getting's good.
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Re:Exodus
Not for long, if this is any indication.
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Re:OT: Kids and drugs
Yes, drugs being illegal makes them more attractive to "some" but I wager it makes it that it also makes it that much less attractive for the majority.
I live in the Netherlands. Cannabis is basically legal here (well, have to be 18+ to buy it, and the "coffee shops" have to buy it in secret, but it's practically legal). The theory is that cannabis isn't very harmful by itself (less than alcohol or even tobacco), and making cannabis legal prevents users from coming into contact with dealers of heavier drugs. Plus of course, if you can't beat it, tax it - aka Dutch pragmatism
:-)According to a recent study by the EU anti-drug organization, see also this newspaper report, cannabis use in the Netherlands is average, with 20% of adults having tried it at least once (the UK and Denmark, which stricter laws, are at 30%).
Also, Britian, Luxembourg, Italy and Portugal have the most problem users, with 6 to 8 cases per 1000. Austria, Germany and the Netherlands, which all have more liberal laws, have 3 per 1000 problem cases.
So it does seem that legal cannabis does not lead to more use, but might prevent problem use (of more potent drugs, usually).
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California only?
from an article about autism:
Autism is a lifelong developmental
disability that affects the way a person
communicates and relates to people around
them.
Children and adults with autism are unable to
relate to others in a meaningful way.
Their ability to develop friendships is
impaired as is their capacity to understand
other people's feelings.
When you look at current US foreign policy it
seems that autism has spread into Washington too.
What perspectives does a country have which
chose a leader even unable to speak a
complete sentence? -
Programmer ... I'm an excellent programerI have a feeling that the answer to this question is going to shock and dismay us all. Some individual, common, hitherto-thought-harmless pollutant? Ambient noise levels?
Surely the way to chase this down is to get some clever cross-disciplinary folk on the case. Meanwhile, here's two links that don't require registration:
The Independant's version of the same story.
The BBC is bringing up the MMR "link".
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Re:It's sad. . .
Unlike Britain, news is not disseminated from one source.
The one source being Rupert Murdoch, owner of The Times, Sun, and Sky television?Oh, oh, it's a dig at the BBC by an ignoramous non-Brit who thinks that any country east of Boston is a dictatorship, especially if it happens to have a publically funded media company and the people there like something they call "socialism"!
Where did you read this nonsense? I'm guessing not the BBC website, nor ITN's, nor Sky's (the three major TV news sources.) Nor I suspect did you read it in The Guardian, The Torygraph, The Times or the Independent. Nor any of the tabloids, or the regional newspapers, or on independent local radio, or, or...
Yes, it's a flame, I'll post it as an AC so it doesn't bother anyone but you. But do try to keep your neanderthal You-Ess-Eh! prejudices to yourself in future. I've met many, many, bright yanks. One, indeed, came and spoke at the Labour Party conference the other day. Do try to live up to their standards, you let the side down with this kind of drivel.
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Re:So where's the Mac version?
Your right, this card is Perfect for the MAC. ATI seems to write better MAC drivers than Windows. I'm seeing alot of bugs on websites for the 9700 and games. It looks like the new patches/files coming out, most are for the 9700.
I was hoping ATI would get the drivers in order for the release. My friends who bought the 9700's, loved the speed with AA, but some games (UT2K3 Demo has problems, fixed with the newest patch..)
But what I really want for video in, is a divx/mpg4 capture device (card or firewire).
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Bernie Ebbers, the former chief executive of WorldCom, and four other telecoms executives who allegedly made a total of $28.2m (£18m) by "profiteering" in hot initial public offerings were sued last night by New York state. -
Violent Crime: Lowest Level in 30 Years
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Re:Just dont buy one..quite a bit.
Wi-Lan isn't Wi-Fi (802.11b)- wi-lan is W-OFDM, wireless t1/e1- and they have a great technology for the reception of HDTV so that you don't get the silly black blocks that disrupt signal,-- but instead, the FCC chose to back 8-VSB, an inferior technology.
The greater question is, why is the FCC deciding this? They didn't decide which cell phone technology was going to reign, only which frequencies we'd use.
Sources? http://www.wi-lan.com
commentary: If we were to follow the 'lead' from the ATSC then this is what the future would look like. The Americans are still in denial about the Brazilian (and other) DTT test results (denying the basic facts that a single carrier system can never work for wireless DTT) and have carried out their own tests arriving at their own conclusions using incorrectly configured DVB-T equipment. The sooner the US drops its single carrier 8-VSB based standard in favour of an OFDM solution the better for all concerned. A report summarising why DTV is not happening in the US (example of flawed thinking: DTV does not necessarily mean HDTV). Unfortunately, DVB and ISDB have (so far) been unable to agree on a common OFDM way forward even though both standards are nearly exactly the same (ISDB improved the DVB-T standard with the addition of extra time interleaving, band segmentation and the option for 4k carriers). However, due to the wide acceptance of DVB-T and its myriad other supporting standards it is unlikely that ISDB compliant equipment will ever be deployed outside of Japan.
Take-up of Digital TV in the UK has been the most successful in the world in percentage terms (the US is not far behind); but can it continue to grow at the same pace? ITVdigital, the DTT service provider in the UK, launched with an early (2k carrier) release of DVB-T and had been reasonably successful (although I am sure some would disagree?) with over 1.2 million subscribers up to the end of 2001. Unfortunately, due to a combination of factors ITVdigital are in danger of closing down and are currently in administration. The BBC in their annual R&D review for 2000-2001 (Digital Television Distribution section) list some of the issues associated with DTT in the UK and give an interesting insight into how improvements can be achieved. Thanks to the wealth of experience gained in the UK other European DTT service providers will be able to provide a more advanced and improved service to their customers. Get the insider views on the UK DTT experience from the following newsgroup: uk.tech.digital-tv;
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Re:Gee, I wonder...
FWIW, The group 'MEMRI' is not independent; it is a Jewish pro-settler group this is highly biased.
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Re:US Response
I attended a lecture by Robert Fisk yesterday. Robert Fisk is a british journalist who writes for the Independent newspaper. He's one of the few journalists that actually tried to answer the why 9-11 as well as the where and what. I advise everyone to read his articles because they have so much depth and insight which is something we rarely get in the media here.
As horrified we are all by what happenned a year ago, we should not forget that things happen for a reason. We should mourn all the lives that were tragically lost last year, but we should try to understand why and try to avoid it in the future. And this is exactly what George Bush is not doing!! Has anybody noticed how, just very recently, Bin Laden has faded out to be replaced by Saddam?! Does anybody mention Bin Laden anymore? Was Saddam mentionned in any way last year after the attacks?! The whole point is, Bush is following his own agenda and driving the world into more dangerous territories, instead of trying to learn from what happenned. Unfortunately, I fear the worst :( -
Re:Barbie Drug?
Yes, it is. You can find more information here. Besides the tan and increased libido, other terrible side effects include clearing up acne, and suppressed appetite.
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Re:One of the biggest problems
If you think that cnn.com is the authoritative news site on the Internet you should really check out The Independent.
Ever since 9/11 CNN has backed down from the hard questions and essentially repeats the offical line -- rather than doing some reporting (or even displaying some insight) to expose the real deal. -
Corrected again - is it Alzheimers ?
>And I pay the government a *lot* of money for the privilege of driving on it.
You may pay the government but you don't compensate for the ill-health and deaths due to pollution. See, for example, The Independent's story Asthma in children: the damning new evidence we cannot ignore
I suggest there is a market for a healthy environment for our -
Corrected again - is it Alzheimers ?
>And I pay the government a *lot* of money for the privilege of driving on it.
You may pay the government but you don't compensate for the ill-health and deaths due to pollution. See, for example, The Independent's story Asthma in children: the damning new evidence we cannot ignore
I suggest there is a market for a healthy environment for our -
Paying for pollution - corrected
>And I pay the government a *lot* of money for the priviledge of driving on it. You may pay the government but you don't compensate for the ill-health and deaths due to pollution. See, for example, The Independent's story I suggest there is a market for a healthy environment for our children. >And I pay the government a *lot* of money for the priviledge of driving on it.
You may pay the government but you don't compensate for the ill-health and deaths due to pollution. See, for example, The Independent's story Asthma in children: the damning new evidence we cannot ignore
I suggest there is a market for a healthy environment for our children. -
Paying for pollution - corrected
>And I pay the government a *lot* of money for the priviledge of driving on it. You may pay the government but you don't compensate for the ill-health and deaths due to pollution. See, for example, The Independent's story I suggest there is a market for a healthy environment for our children. >And I pay the government a *lot* of money for the priviledge of driving on it.
You may pay the government but you don't compensate for the ill-health and deaths due to pollution. See, for example, The Independent's story Asthma in children: the damning new evidence we cannot ignore
I suggest there is a market for a healthy environment for our children. -
Paying for pollution - corrected
>And I pay the government a *lot* of money for the priviledge of driving on it. You may pay the government but you don't compensate for the ill-health and deaths due to pollution. See, for example, The Independent's story I suggest there is a market for a healthy environment for our children. >And I pay the government a *lot* of money for the priviledge of driving on it.
You may pay the government but you don't compensate for the ill-health and deaths due to pollution. See, for example, The Independent's story Asthma in children: the damning new evidence we cannot ignore
I suggest there is a market for a healthy environment for our children. -
Paying for pollution - corrected
>And I pay the government a *lot* of money for the priviledge of driving on it. You may pay the government but you don't compensate for the ill-health and deaths due to pollution. See, for example, The Independent's story I suggest there is a market for a healthy environment for our children. >And I pay the government a *lot* of money for the priviledge of driving on it.
You may pay the government but you don't compensate for the ill-health and deaths due to pollution. See, for example, The Independent's story Asthma in children: the damning new evidence we cannot ignore
I suggest there is a market for a healthy environment for our children. -
You don't pay me for your pollution
>And I pay the government a *lot* of money for the priviledge of driving on it. You may pay the government but you don't compensate for the ill-health and deaths due to pollution. See, for example, The Independent's story I would suggest there is a market for a healthy environment for our children.
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You don't pay me for your pollution
>And I pay the government a *lot* of money for the priviledge of driving on it. You may pay the government but you don't compensate for the ill-health and deaths due to pollution. See, for example, The Independent's story I would suggest there is a market for a healthy environment for our children.
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Moral Media didn't die
Moral media isn't dead. You just have to look harder for it.
Now that the Sept 11th jingoism has died down and it's starting to be a non-terminal offence to express discontent versus the powers that be, you're starting to see the creepings of independent thought show up even in CNN. Up here in Canada, CTV's been doing it for a while. But even then there's a huge under-reporting of stories that would knock the comfort zone of the average person.
The basic problem is this -- any media outlet is a slave to the mandate of its publisher. This isn't really new, it's as old as newspapers themselves (it used to be that if you wanted to be a politician it was a shrewd move to found your own newspaper). So, if you've got nothing but biased media out there, the only way to really inform yourself is to (a) check up on all the biases and try to develop your own conclusions from them, and (b) realize that there's no substitute for actually being at the scene of the event, or at the very least talking to someone who is.
People who critique the media as having a bias often make the mistake of trying to sound like it's forced upon them, when really, you can choose to go out and find different information from a different source. Some options include:
ZNet
The Guardian
The Independent
Le Monde Diplomatique (English version here)
Tom Tommorow
It also helps in times of conflict to go to the media outlets or websites of your political enemies to see what they're saying. It's amazing how they often take as gospel a premise that is completely different from your own. It's also amazing how often the exact same coercive techniques are used by both sides. Makes you wonder if there are average citizens over there are pissed off at their media as much as some of us are at ours.
By the way, I know I went off on a bit of a tangent, but if you click on any of the links above you'll see minimal coverage of the Elizabeth Smart case. There might be a story in there at some point to tell everyone how it all turns out, but nothing like the usual CNN sensationalism. The point is, if you don't like your media, don't go back to it -- go elsewhere. It's not like we have battered wife syndrome or something.
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Potential lawsuit?
Space has totally sold out. Most of the stuff they put out sounds a little bit too much like John Cage's silent masterpiece. In my opinion, it's plagarism.
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If I can't hear a sound in space...
can the "enraged representatives of the avant-garde, experimentalist composer John Cage" sue God for copyright violation?
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jonathan ive - swoopy curves Are Not design
---| swoopy curves Are Not design |---
Certainly, the PC industry has never revered design, preferring blocky
beige boxes or, more recently, coloured go-faster curves devoid of real
function. He's scornful of those who use 'swoopy shapes to look good,
stuff that is so aggressively designed, just to catch the eye. I think
that's arrogance, it's not done for the benefit of the user.'
By contrast, he says, "you won't be able to find a single thing on an
Apple that hasn't had thought put into it"...
With the first iMac the goal wasn't to look different, but to build the
best integrated consumer computer we could. If as a consequence the shape
is different, then that's how it is. The thing is, it's very easy to be
different, but very difficult to be better. That's what we have tried to
do with the new iMac."
(THE SHAPE OF THINGS TO COME, Interview with Jonathan Ive,
Charles Arthur talks to the designer of the iMac, January 14 2002)
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regards,
john penner