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Those warnings are doing a real top rate job there. But Tesla has never taken safety seriously. They fire anyone that points out something is unsafe.

Those warnings are doing a real top rate job there. But Tesla has never taken safety seriously. They fire anyone that points out something is unsafe.

That chime better be loud because what they have now isn’t working.

Tesla's stock is down 12% in the last 12 months in a strongly up market.

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Seems like a clear case of cherry picking.

Plus, Musk is a whiny little snowflake. He can't get enough of uncritical media praise, of which there is has been tons, but anything remotely critical and he shits the floor. Its nice he's doing the electric car thing, but lets not buy into a cult of personality here because there is tons of evidence he's got a shit personality (he fired his 12 year PA when she asked for a raise he used underpaid illegal foreign labor to build his factory he uses illegal union-busting tactics and he was emotionally abusive to his first wife, treating her like an employee.

Billionaires have their place, but they aren't special geniuses, they are just 99.9% lottery winner and 0.1% skill. If there was no Elon Musk, there would just be some other billionaire doing the same work. Do not put your faith in princes.

Since that would have been the Lord of Darkness, it wasn't just one switch, it was all of them, as well as a set of points, and probably a couple of wiring harnesses plus an ignition coil.

Because they're idiots.

Luckily for us, Tesla is logging the data:

https://jalopnik.com/feds-clos...

So far they've been held blameless in every single incident.

One reason they're logging the data is that people are trying to blame every accident they have on the car:

"It wasn't me, it was the car!"

Yeah, right.

Because they're idiots.

Luckily for us, Tesla is logging the data:

https://jalopnik.com/feds-clos...

So far they've been held blameless in every single incident.

One reason they're logging the data is that people are trying to blame every accident they have on the car:

"It wasn't me, it was the car!"

Yeah, right.

The screw thing sounds like more half assing and cutting corners by Tesla. You need to use different bolts because they all have different torque requirements. You can expect many model 3 falling a part because they didn’t properly spec the bolts.

In the mean time, their half assed autopilot crashed into an easily avoidable police car. Where’s Elon to fix this? He’s going on twitter rants claiming Jews control the media.

Another shit Tesla crashed due to its shit auto pilot system. Instead of fixing his shit cars, Elon went on a twitter rant about how Jews control the media.

Plus Elon went on a Twitter rant about how the Jews control the media.

And BTW your claim about "every teardown" is wrong. You mean "Every teardown by one Randy Munrone". Ingineerix, Jack Rickard, and Evannex disagree.,

You mean Sandy Munro? You know those guys have chops, right? They're not amateurs. Also, I don't know if you took the time to actually watch the entire interview, but he gave Tesla credit for numerous things that he thought they did extremely well — better, in fact, than literally anyone else. The electronics leap immediately to mind.

Besides that though, there are plenty of other media references as well, not to mention the owners complaining all over the official forums. Please don't pretend like Tesla isn't having quality control problems. They absolutely are, and there's no credibly denying it. When you get in to this kind of money, it's not cute to have problems like that. It's not an especially huge amount of money to spend for a product that does what it does, but it is enough money where it's disappointing for it to have that kind of flaw. If we didn't care about style, we'd all drive identical-looking vehicles which were based on the intersection of crash safety and aerodynamics.

It would be less embarrassing if this were Tesla's first car, but it isn't...

No, the car did not run out of juice (ever), and it was a blown fuse, which only disabled part of the braking power. Indeed, the BBC has admitted that the "running out of charge" event was staged.

The court rulings related to Teslas lawsuit never disagreed with Tesla's claim that Top Gear staged the events. They ruled that Tesla had failed to show material losses, and that a reasonable person would not believe that what happens on Top Gear is not embellished (something I think is false, but that's what they ruled).

Beyond the fakery, then there's the deliberate distortions. Like going on about how the car only went a fraction of its rated range. Ignoring that it still had a 20% charge left when they decided to fake the "dead battery" and push it off the track, what they did would apply to any car. You think you can take your car to the track and drive foot down nonstop and get the same mileage as you get in a steady cruise? But they were trying to give the impression that you only go a short distance in the vehicle, which was simply not in any way, shape or form true.

Maybe he asked for a pay raise like Elon's old assistant.

The Navy still want an underwater GPS, using buoys and accoustic spekers distributed across the world.

https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik....

Leave it to a Slashdot regular to recommend treating an electrical fire with water.

Leave it to an anonymous coward to comment when they know jack about shit. Lots and lots of water is exactly how you put out lithium battery fires. (The notion that the lithium in the battery will catch fire when exposed to water is absurd, it's not free.)

Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ walked on water. Maybe you were thinking of Elijah, or maybe those three dudes in the furnace?

This teardown doesn't look like FUD to me; the gap inconsistency is quite easy to see - and it really is pretty poor on a $50K car...

How 'bout them apples, moron?? ;)

Tesla’s half assed auto pilot system just murdered it's third victim.

Here's your citations. tesla owner nearly burned to death due to shit design. tesla almost kills owner when it rams concrete barrier. Notice how all the non-teslas cars driven by people smart enough to not buy a piece of shit tesla all avoid the accident? tesla almost kills driver and multiple fire fighters due to their shit system. tesla nearly decapitates passengers by driving into truck.. tesla delivers accident waiting to happen to owner due to shit quality control. tesla cuts corner by not having a proper gauges in front of driver. glued on iPad they use instead causes deadly shards of glass to be thrown at occupants.

No, it was a guess. I saw a press article photo of an Uber Ford Fusion in conjunction with this story. This source says it was indeed a Volvo:

https://jalopnik.com/lidar-mak...

That video is somewhat brighter than what a real driver would see.

But even so, look at your video at 33 seconds - that's the point where the much wider camera in the uber catches sight of her shoes in his lane (at about 7 seconds in this video). The pedestrian is in shadow and if she wasn't moving before it would be very easy not to see her until she started moving. If you go back a bit further in the video she would be standing right between some bright background lights, making it even more difficult to see her if not moving.

Now look at the video of the safety driver. It's not like she was never looking up, she was looking back up every few seconds or so. If the woman were really as visible as you are thinking, the safety driver would have seen her way ahead of time. The last time in the video of the driver she was looking ahead was about 17 seconds into the driver view video, which equates to about 30 seconds in your video (look at the poles passing by the window), if the whole scene were really so bright shouldn't the safety driver have seen the pedestrian at that point? Again, if not moving the pedestrian (in all dark clothing and no reflectors) would have been far harder to see. Pedestrians are killed in this kind of situation by drivers who are watching the road continuously... or as continuously as a human can.

What would be really informative to get, is the LIDAR data from this incident. That would really say a lot about what the car itself did or did not see, then we could go on to speculate how it processed what it "saw".

Not sure why you said turbine... Turbines are lightweight and reliable, but they are fuel hogs... In the aircraft I fly, turbines burn about twice the fuel of a piston engine of the same HP. They also have limits on how many times you can start them up, so they're not great for frequent start/stop operation. You might be thinking of a co-gen turbine system, but that's not mobile...

These guys on the other hand make an engine that might work well, or of course you have BMW with their motorcycle engine in the i3 Rex.

My other comment on the big automakers in general is that when they say Hybrid, a lot of them mean "mild hybrid" i.e. a 48 volt hybrid system. It's a quick and dirty way to get some of the benefits of a hybrid grafted onto existing cars without a major redesign, my worry is that with the state of global warming a 15-25% increase in fuel economy isn't sufficient. I'm of the opinion that we need a combination of BEV and PHEV (like the Volt) to radically decrease the amount of fuel we're burning. I'm concerned that a 15-25% decrease, while automotive use seems to be increasing, may help stop the increase in carbon emissions, but won't help decrease it by the amount we need to be thinking of.

Here's an article on mild hybrids and here is the Wikipedia page on mild hybrids.

My experience so far has been with a BEV (Honda Fit EV) and PHEV (Chevy Volt First Gen). Of the two, I liked the Fit the best. However, my daughters did not. The main problem was, as a pilot I'm used to figuring out ahead of time where I'll be going, where I'll refuel, etc. But the average driver (like my daughters) just wants to hop in and go, and when the little gauge says "E" to just find a nearby gas station and top off. They don't want to have to plan the trip.

The Volt works out very well for them, in that they can drive typically 35-40 miles on the battery, and then the gas motor kicks in, and they don't have to do any planning unless the gauge reads "E". So, in many ways a great compromise between pure electric and pure gas, and I would think a great way to transition people into electric vehicles... but I wish the battery range was more like 100 miles.

What I don't like about the Volt (and mostly I think it's a good car):

1) Especially in the winter, a lot of trips end up running the gas engine. If it's below freezing, the car often will not use the battery at all (it just flashes a message that it's using the gas engine because of the temperature). In the winter the car simply doesn't have the range - the battery range drops to about 20-25 miles which is NOT enough to complete most trips that aren't just around town.

2) The fuel economy when the engine runs isn't that great... about 40-42 mpg. I think that's because they put in an engine big enough to keep the vehicle moving at highway speeds once the battery is depleted.

3) You're carrying a full sized engine around all the time. I think the BMW i3 has the better idea... have a much smaller engine just barely big enough to recharge the battery. In fact I think I'd like the option to go even further than the i3: instead of an engine which can keep the car moving at highway speed (except on a steep hill) give me a really small range extender engine, one that won't move the car much faster than 25 mph... Here's my reasoning:

Most of the time I charge at home, do a trip, and hopefully get home, all on battery. Sometimes I'll drive further and I'll plan on charging at some point during the trip so that I can make it home without having to use gas. But sometimes there's no place to charge, and that's where it's great to have the gas engine.

But instead of hauling around a full size engine all the time, or even a motorcycle engine like the BMW i3, how about a really small engine that can act li

This is yet another symptom of Americans not wanting to spend money (e.g. higher taxes) on infrastructure. The maddening thing is nearly all of those tax cuts went to the top 1%ers. Enough already. They get the best civilization has to offer. Make them pay their bloody God damned dues.

BS. New Yorkers pay lots of taxes, they just don't get much value for money.

New York has the highest construction costs in the world.

Compare that to other large modern cities and you see that there is no excuse for that (aside from graft, incompetence, and kickbacks from unions & contractors).

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/1...

https://jalopnik.com/heres-the...

Says the dumbass that over payed for a Kia.

Electric motors are much more likely to last a long time than internal combustion engines. There are virtually no moving parts in contact with each other in an electric motor (I've read reports saying 18 moving parts in a Tesla drivetrain), and the motor(s) are directly driving the wheels. Compare that to an ICE with hundreds of moving/wearing parts (valves, pistons, seals, crankshaft, spark plugs, transmission, etc) that need to withstand high temperatures and low tolerances to seal against burning fuel, then convert the explosive force into rotational energy in a different part of the vehicle at varying speeds.

There are already reports of Tesla taxis hitting 250k miles and 300k miles with minimal service.

But they still can't pump their own gas!

Since then, a company called Bollinger has come up with an all electric SUV (that is really reminiscent of old Land Rovers or maybe a LEGO version of a Jeep). Jalopnik had a good article on it with a focus on the "front trunk" Something like that in a pickup truck could very well be a game changer and since Bollinger isn't nearly as well known as Tesla, Elon's outfit could easily garner credit for the invention in the public perception.

They should be concentrating on fixing their defective cars.

They should be concentrating on fixing their defective cars.

They should be concentrating on fixing their defective cars.

They should be concentrating on fixing their defective cars.

They should be concentrating on fixing their defective cars.

They should be concentrating on fixing their defective cars.

All Tesla’s suffer manufacturing defects.

How much environmental damage did this cause? Quantify it. If you're going to assert that he should be killed for his crime, you should be able to identify exactly what his crime was.

I don't know how valuable these numbers really are, but the argument could thus be made that you'd have to kill him fifty-nine times to "make up" (take revenge) for just the number of people who have lost their lives in the USA alone.

Of course, he isn't wholly responsible; what share of the responsibility do we assign to this person? How can we determine what percentage of the blame he bears?

No amount of killing people, even the guilty, will bring anyone back from the dead. I would argue that the correct "penalty" (remedy) for VW diesel cheating killing people is that VW should now have to save people from dying. There are surely identifiable people whose lives could be saved if only more money were spent on them. VW should be forced to spend that money, and what's more, they should have to save more lives than they have taken. Whether threefold or tenfold, the "punishment" (justice) should benefit society more than making a handful of people serve as an object lesson.

Well over 80% of all cars in Europe have a manual gearbox.

Which is odd, because according to BMW, they only made the recent M5 with a stick to satisfy the American market!

http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2016/8/14/The-E60-M5-With-A-Stick-Shift-Was-BMW-s-Gift-To-North-America-7734955/

https://jalopnik.com/the-manual-transmission-bmw-m5-and-m6-are-dead-1769251264

I have a manual in all of my vehicles (Jeep Wrangler, Porsche 968 Cabriolet, BMW E46 M3, Ducati Multistrada 620 Dark). Heck, I even have manual landing gear in my plane. But they're a dying breed. Ferrari already dropped it. Porsche brought it back in some recent models (Cayman GT4, 991R) but by and large they've disappeared. There was a recent sales event at Beverly Hills BMW, and with over 200 cars in stock, none was a standard. :( McLaren? Nope. (Aston Martin still makes 'em though.) Etc.

Maybe they do have better engineers. At least in this particular niche.

They have some real good engineers there alright.

Maybe they do have better engineers. At least in this particular niche.

They have some real good engineers there alright.

The reason there's so much outrage over a glorified TV remote control system is the principle of the whole thing. It reminds people that no matter how much you spend on an electronic gadget, if it relies on a "cloud based" back-end in some manner, you don't *really* own or control it. You just paid to use the thing for as long as the manufacturer deems it worthy of continuing to allow it to operate for you.

Perhaps the most extreme example of this today is the Tesla Motors electric car? You can spend 6 figures on the performance version of a Model S and yet it's still subject to firmware updates Tesla pushes out to it. Not only can they cap and uncap your driving range at will, but they routinely make use of a feature that locks you out of all remote control to your vehicle (commonly done when a Tesla service place has the car overnight for maintenance). The reasoning is sound enough; they don't want you trying to manipulate things like the power windows or horn or lights while it's being worked on. But it still proves they have the "master switch" to turn your ability on and off to communicate with your vehicle that you paid for.

And here's an example of them turning off the "emergency braking" feature on the Model 3's for owners:

https://jalopnik.com/tesla-tem...

I've been saying for years that companies are being "penny wise, pound foolish" trying so hard to "cloudify" their operations. There are things that lend themselves well to being cloud-hosted, like email. (Whether you run your own mail server or not, you're still pushing and pulling everybody's content over the Internet, through other email servers that you don't control at all. And typically, the amount of time your in house I.T. staff will have to spend to address Exchange server related issues doesn't make good economic sense vs. outsourcing all of those issues up to the chain and paying for the mail hosting.) But typically, you're giving too much control and trusting too much security to 3rd. parties. Where I work, we have a DropBox business subscription. Great product and solves a lot of issues for us, but they just did a price increase that will cost us thousands more per year. It was already a pretty hefty expense that keeps going up as the company adds contractors or freelancers who need to share team folders with our employees. Before long, it'll reach a point where it's financially more sensible to host the content ourselves with a "private cloud". Except now, it's a MASSIVE hassle to retrain everyone on a new product and migrate all the data to a different platform. Could have all been avoided if we just tried to do this ourselves from the start, rather than being tempted by the instant gratification of DropBox.

https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik....

Everyone Who Wanted More F-22s Is Being Proven Right. Unfortunately, the production line was shut down a decade ago.

but it is still safer per mile than the average human

Citation needed. And not that god awful "40% safer" nonsense, which the NHTSA can't actually support.

Autopilot is usable in a very narrow set of circumstances, so where are the comparable Tesla vs human statistics for the same set of circumstances?

How many people daily drive their Veyrons?

Probably not this guy anymore. or this guy. or this one. or ....

How about a Nobe instead?

Actually, the victim's family doesn't blame the car. They support the technology. The statement is rather long (mostly defending their son against what they see as media slander against him), but concludes:

We heard numerous times that the car killed our son. That is simply not the case. There was a small window of time when neither Joshua nor the Tesla features noticed the truck making the left-hand turn in front of the car. People die every day in car accidents. Many of those are caused by lack of attention or inability to see the danger. Joshua believed, and our family continues to believe, that the new technology going into cars and the move to autonomous driving has already saved many lives. Change always comes with risks, and zero tolerance for deaths would totally stop innovation and improvements.

Nobody wants tragedy to touch their family, but expecting to identify all limitations of an emerging technology and expecting perfection is not feasible either. When rail systems, metro systems, and personal vehicles (etc.) were constructed, fatalities occurred and we learned from them. Who determines it has been vetted enough? Life is a balancing act. Barring blatant recklessness, finding common ground will always be a debate.

Part of Joshua’s legacy is that his accident drove additional improvements making the new technology even safer. Tesla has done extensive research into the accident and how it might have been prevented. They have made significant investments toward improvements and the Version 8 software release included numerous safety improvements that were a direct result of that research. Tesla continues to release additional features based on lessons learned from Josh’s accident. Our family takes solace and pride in the fact that our son is making such a positive impact on future highway safety.

http://jalopnik.com/teslas-hur...

"Earlier this week, Tesla remotely upgraded select Florida Tesla ownersâ(TM) cars to expand their mileage capacity in an effort to ease and assist with Hurricane Irma evacuation efforts. The move was praiseworthy and appropriate, but at the root of the gesture lies a terrifying prospect of our automotive future..."

The U.S.S.R created a doomsday weapon very similar to the IoT devices of today. In fact, it is still in operation.

It works using seismic sensors across the continent (11 time zones). If enough sensors detect activity, it launches the nukes. In other words, Russia can retaliate even if everyone is dead at the controls.

Now imagine a scenario where this device does not work as planned, perhaps reacting to a North Korean nuclear test. The system launches nukes, the U.S. retaliates and the show is over before anyone can reply to this post.

This is just one of many plausible scenarios that readers of ./ are not considering. Instead they personally attack Elon Musk, proving that intelligence does not equal wisdom.

Most advanced.

Only if you're a dumbass moron. Electric cars are over 100 years old. There is literally nothing advanced about a piece of shit Tesla.

Best features.

A piece of shit tesla doesn't have a single feature you can't get on a camery.

Best practicality.

The hours it takes to recharge and shit for range make it completely imparactical for a thing other that commuting back and forth to work.

Plus on top of that you are not allowed to repair it. If anything breaks of wears out you're forced to bye a new one.

The 60k number comes from Tesla.

And fails to include massive number of cancellations after the car was finally revealed to the public.

Musk is a compulsive liar.

When it becomes possible to buy an entry-level EV for $20k or less, why would you even want an ICE vehicle?

Because they have limited range, take too long to charge, are boring to drive and when something breaks or wears out, you have to throw it out buy a new one because you have no right to repair it.