Domain: justice.gov
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Re:Better Idea
Sharing Disks as such would fall under First Sale Doctrine basically as long as they are not copying the DVD's they can rent them or sell them to whoever the hell they want without needing the copyright owners consent
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Re: Crybabies
"So far as [you] know" is wrong. States must provide a section on driver's license applications (among other application forms) for voter registration. The Motor Voter Act requires that section to list the requirements to register as a voter, allow the application to aver that they meet those requirements, and prohibits asking for anything beyond the "minimum amount of information necessary".
In my state (Virginia), you don't need a lease or deed to prove residency -- a recent utility bill, bank statement, paycheck stub, or school transcript can be used instead, along with harder-to-procure things like Social Security statements, voter registration card, property or life insurance bill, and so forth. As I said, that varies by state.
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Re: What an empty life
Michael Brown's shooting? I remember this. You can believe whatever story you want, but you'd best admit the stink is on both sides.
I also remember what the DOJ investigation turned up.
That police department, that city government had problems. You can focus on a single incident, but that'll miss the burning forest.
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Re:Debunked?
I've been on gab.ai, 4chan, 8ch and voat.co. You really should research this yourself and ask yourself why there is a boatload of evidence and those bringing it to light are being ddosed. Why is twitter blocking those who report vile content while keeping the vile content up and running. Why is reddit admitting to very dishonest practices and shutting down subreddits for TOS violations that didn't occur or if they did were getting policed by mods.
If you are doing research and you see illegal exploitative content please report it. Be also aware that a large number of illegal and abusive content is on honeypot servers to flypaper the criminally insane that deal in child exploitation.
Links to submit reports and information on reporting crime:
https://www.justice.gov/action...
https://www.fbi.gov/investigat...
I would also like to see Proof Of Life on Julian Assange and people should be asking WikiLeaks to prove its not a compromised honeypot to catch whistleblowers.
There is a conspiracy here - there is a lot of legitimate investigative content being summarily deleted and there is a vast effort in the main stream media all the way down to slashdot to just shut down conversation on the topic. Shutting down the conversation is potentially obstructing justice. If we have not crossed the precipice justice will be done so no amount of deleting will stop karma from hunting down those who exploit children.
Whats most disturbing is places that hold content and evidence of whats doing on like 4chan and wikileaks are being DDOSed by STATE ACTORS. When certain content and conversations arise brutal state sponsored DDOS attacks have been employed.
Whats even more curious is why with all the contention during the election with the FBI wikileaks and the like this pizzagate/twittergate/whereisassange stuff seemed to be what triggered a desperate, widespread, worldwide and massive response to stop information about this coming to light.
This isnt just goofy numerology there is a lot of bizarre stuff going on. I've been enjoying the internet since inception and I've never seen this - such universal efforts to shut down a conversation about a real concern about a network of child-abusers in operation.
Do your own research. Decide for yourself. Ask yourself why voat and gab.ai are getting massive amounts of refugees from reddit and twitter OVER THIS ISSUE.
Many places where one would go to get information on whether there is truth to any of this dont attempt to document and display factual information they simply shut down all discussion. Something is wrong. Where there is smoke there is fire. And we need to know if Julian Assange is alive and if WikiLeaks is a safe place to blow the whistle.
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Re: Mainstream media DOES invent news
Clear this up. What's the assault part ? It's unclear this isn't consensual.
It's actually very clear. You need explicit consent before touching someone's genitals. Sexual assault in the US is defined as follows. Pay particular attention to the terms "explicit consent" and "fondling".
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Re:"Wire Fraud" is narrower than other fraud crime
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Re:"Wire Fraud" is narrower than other fraud crime
wire fraud is identical to mail fraud statute except that it speaks of communications transmitted by wire
If the thing transferred is something of which there is a fixed and limited amount, it might arguably qualify.
Even if your definition of wire fraud only involving money and property were true, this statement wouldn't follow since money doesn't have a fixed and limited amount.
Conclusion: You have no fucking idea what you're talking about.
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Re:But what is the crime?
Here's the criminal complaint as filed by the US government.
It includes what he did and why it was a criminal act.https://www.justice.gov/sites/...
What Navinder was trying to do with his bogus orders was to place them OUTSIDE the existing range of buy/sell orders and in large volume to make it appear that there were people actively buying which drives the price up. Ideally
,once he's made his actual sale, he stops placing his bogus orders and the price returns to normal. If he gets too greedy and screws up, he causes a crash and gets caught.
You can also do it with bogus sell orders to drive the prices down.
People have been doing that since forever, and it's been illegal for some time.
It's a variation of what you may have heard called "pump and dump", but instead of spreading rumors, he abused the market's internal machinery to artificially manipulate the prices with a specially designed computer program to prevent his trades from getting filled.How is what he did different than HFT?
HFT traders do place orders that they intend to cancel, however, if someone successfully intercepted an order placed by a HFT trader, that order would get filled. It appears to me that there was no possibility that Navinder could fill the orders he placed.
The other difference is that the HFT traders are doing price discovery and arbitrage, which is to say they are placing their orders BETWEEN existing active buy and sell orders to get an optimal price for a trade. That is, they are trying to find the best sell and buy order prices so that they can place an optimal buy/sell order.
What HFT traders do tends to bring prices closer together and increase liquidity in normal conditions. These are good for the market (unless they screw up).
BTW, HFT and algorithmic trading are not the same thing, but they can be combined and done by the same people. Some of what HFT gets blamed for is actually the fault of computer-driven algorithmic trading. -
Re:not in N.C.
Then LBJ got the Civil Rights Act passed, and enforced it, which caused the racists in the deep south to switch to the Republican party... but the racists remained in control.
False.
The “Southern Strategy” Debunked Again
You should think about it - LBJ got the Civil Right Act passed with the help of the people that had passed the previous ones - the Republicans. The people that tried to block it were Democrats. What sense would it make for racists Democrats to bolt for the party that had been mainly responsible for passing civil rights legislation for a century? You've fallen for a narrative, not history.
Also, this makes for an interesting wild card:
Is it prohibited to draw majority-minority districts?
No. Over 30 years ago the Supreme Court held that jurisdictions are free to draw majority-minority election districts that follow traditional, non-racial districting considerations, such as geographic compactness and keeping communities of interest together. Later Supreme Court decisions have held that drawing majority-minority districts may be required to ensure compliance with the Voting Rights Act.
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There's more to come...
So much crap is going down right now.... where to even start.
There's a straw donor program that just got busted as well as a voter fraud ring in Indiana.
We have the DOJ giving the heads up which you can read here. This was forwarded by one Peter Kadzik, who you might remember as being put in charge of the reopened investigation. Conflict of interest much? Podesta says he's a "Fantastic lawyer. Kept me out of jail." His son wants to help Hillary's campaign. Plenty of other emails of them having lunch, parties, etc. together too, incidentally.
An African-American church was burned down and people are raising money to repair it.
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Re:Oh No! Trump opened his mouth again!
Here ya go Bucko. Sexual assault is any type of sexual contact or behavior that occurs without the explicit consent of the recipient. Nothing new about that law, just new to you.
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Re:Brexit
Fair points, and my apology for misunderstanding. I assumed your argument was that we were legally forced to return the money., not that you felt my argument was "stealing" Iranian money. It appears to me through reading that the US Government does have the ability to seize assets through various Laws. There are certainly diplomatic concerns with doing so, but legally we can and have seized assets. There is also discretion on how those assets are used.
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Re:What does this mean for the newbie open sourcer
Seriously?
"Embrace, extend, extinguish" isn't something that the Linux crowd just made up to slander Gates and Co. It's Microsoft's own internal policy, made public when documents were released during their trial and conviction. They are on record as considering open source to be equivalent to a cancer to be eradicated. They were found to be funneling money into SCO during their attack against Linux and IBM. And let's not forget the halloween documents. None of this is made-up conspiracy theorist nonsense on the part of the OSS community. It's part of the public record which anyone can reach in five minutes of googling:
https://www.justice.gov/sites/...
http://techrights.org/2009/06/...
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2...
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2...
http://archive.is/201207112333...
http://www.catb.org/esr/hallow...Microsoft is not a good-faith actor, and never has been. I see no reason to trust them, no matter their Github numbers.
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Press release from DOJ
Here is the link: https://www.justice.gov/usao-n...
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Re:How does that work?
Law enforcement members are covered by the doctrine of qualified immunity.
The supreme court has previously made this ruling: [o]ur decisions have recognized immunity defenses of two kinds. For officials whose special functions or constitutional status requires complete protection from suit, we have recognized the defense of “absolute immunity.” The absolute immunity of legislators, in their legislative functions, and of judges, in their judicial functions, now is well settled. Our decisions also have extended absolute immunity to certain officials of the Executive Branch. These include prosecutors and similar officials, executive officers engaged in adjudicative functions, and the President of the United States. For executive officials in general, however, our cases make plain that qualified immunity represents the norm. [W]e [have] acknowledged that high officials require greater protection than those with less complex discretionary responsibilities.
As for your legislation sections 509,510,533, and 534 of title 28, United States Code, and Executive Order 12333 apply. They apply to domestic investigative activities of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and I have copied the relevant part of the guidelines below. Or I would have if it didn't say it was full of junk characters.
Source - https://www.justice.gov/archiv... The relevant section is on page 33.
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Re:WTF FBI, LOL?
If they are reporting publicly that they do it, you can be pretty sure it's legal.
The Attorney General wrote the rules, which are available online, as stated in the article.
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Accountability?
Oracle is campaigning for accountability? Sure, I love accountability.
How about:- Improper accounting practices on your cloud service business: http://venturebeat.com/2016/06...
- Breach of contract: http://www.pcworld.com/article...
- Putting stockholders' investments at risk: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2...
- Fraudulent practices/overcharging the Deparment of Justice: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr...
- Patent infringement: http://www.infoworld.com/artic...
- Project cost overrun and breach of contract again: http://wtnnews.com/articles/85...If Oracle had any hint of accountability it would've closed doors a long time ago. What they want is money.
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Re:Joke ?so who do we hold responsible for knowingly transporting and harboring an illegal immigrant? on the first night of the DNC???
Domestic Transporting -- Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(ii) makes it an offense for any person who -- knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, transports, or moves or attempts to transport or move such alien within the United States by means of transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such violation of law.
Harboring -- Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(iii) makes it an offense for any person who -- knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, conceals harbors, or shields from detection, or attempts to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection, such alien in any place, including any building or any means of transportation.
Encouraging/Inducing -- Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv) makes it an offense for any person who -- encourages or induces an alien to come to, enter, or reside in the United States, knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such coming to, entry, or residence is or will be in violation of law.Democrats break federal law clear cut clean as day and get away with it, and you think a joke is worthy of removing him from the running????
BR Source - the federal government https://www.justice.gov/usam/c... -
Re:The IRS ?
I went so far as to look into the IRS Criminal Investigation manual, and I will admit it was a challenge to take it all in. But I found it quite curious that the IRS were the ones who initiated this investigation. (see page 21 of https://www.justice.gov/usao-n... ) Not much more is said about it, but I have to question why was the IRS investigating a torrent site? Is it because someone running it may have been in the US, and may have been profiting from it? That is the only thing I can think of, but that leads to all kinds of other questions.
Apparently one of the charges against him is money laundering and that falls under the purview of the IRS. Remember, they put Al Capone away for tax evasion.
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Re:The IRS ?
I went so far as to look into the IRS Criminal Investigation manual, and I will admit it was a challenge to take it all in. But I found it quite curious that the IRS were the ones who initiated this investigation. (see page 21 of https://www.justice.gov/usao-n... ) Not much more is said about it, but I have to question why was the IRS investigating a torrent site? Is it because someone running it may have been in the US, and may have been profiting from it? That is the only thing I can think of, but that leads to all kinds of other questions.
Apparently one of the charges against him is money laundering and that falls under the purview of the IRS. Remember, they put Al Capone away for tax evasion.
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The IRS ?
I went so far as to look into the IRS Criminal Investigation manual, and I will admit it was a challenge to take it all in. But I found it quite curious that the IRS were the ones who initiated this investigation. (see page 21 of https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndil/file/877591/download ) Not much more is said about it, but I have to question why was the IRS investigating a torrent site? Is it because someone running it may have been in the US, and may have been profiting from it? That is the only thing I can think of, but that leads to all kinds of other questions.
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Hiding in plain site.
If you look through the criminal complaint it's clear that they knew it was this Vaulin guy very early on. He registered the damn site in his own name in 2009! Facebook and Apple just provided proof to link him currently to the site. He got away with it for so long likely because nobody until now really cared.
It'd be interesting to note how much this investigation cost, and why it was initiated. It's not as if KAT is exactly new. Doesn't Homeland Security have anything better to do?
1. Vaulin’s Involvement in KAT at Its Inception
47. A review of historical Whois information for KAT Website 2 identified
that it was registered on or about January 19, 2009, to Artem Vaulin with an
address located in Kharkiv, Ukraine. The telephone number of +380 506693769
(“Vaulin Phone Number”) and the email address admin@yabloggy.com were listed
as contact information. The Whois records reflected that it was registered to Vaulin
through at least on or about February 26, 2011. Vaulin was listed as registering
KAT Website 3 on the same day as KAT Website 2, with the same contact
information. KAT Website 3’s registration information remained registered to
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Re:Where did the money come from?
The link to the justice departments press release explains more than the op or the poorly edited nydailynews.com article.
It appears that officials of the Malasian govt stole the money from a Malasian government development fund that is/was intended to fund gov't projects.
click where it says " seize proceeds from the 2013 movie, " in the op, or https://www.justice.gov/opa/sp...
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Re:"Asset recovery operation"
Notice what's even more funny: the name of the department doing the operation is the Kleptocracy Asset Recovery Initiative.
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Re:WTF?
I have to wonder what language these Americans were speaking while living inside America for so long?
Keres and Navajo, according to this.
I call bullshit on this.
That's nice, but they went to court, and provided evidence.
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Re:Hang on
He wasn't extradited for his claim about Hillary's server. He was extradited for:
In the United States, Lazar is charged in a nine-count indictment with three counts of wire fraud, three counts of gaining unauthorized access to protected computers, and one count each of aggravated identity theft, cyberstalking and obstruction of justice.
... Lazar hacked into the email and social media accounts of high-profile victims, including a family member of two former U.S. presidents, a former U.S. Cabinet member, a former member of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff and a former presidential advisor. After gaining unauthorized access to their accounts, Lazar publicly released his victims’ private email correspondence, medical and financial information and personal photographs. The indictment also alleges that in July 2013 and August 2013, Lazar impersonated a victim after compromising the victim’s account.https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr...
Check the timeline. He claimed to have hacked Hillary's server in May. The DOJ press release above is dated April 1, meaning he was already extradited before making the claim. So they still have a number of charges to investigate.
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Re:expanded
Another was to prevent purchases by people on the FBI no fly list, which also has broad support.
While this sounds good in concept I take issue with it as that fucking list and many of the other fucking lists the government creates like the terror watch list, have no real oversight or due process associated with them. We live in a country that has laws and depriving someone of their rights without going through the proper process can't be done and is actually its self against the law. No where in the constitution does it give the government to regulate an individual's travel between the states. Then add in that the people on these lists are never informed that they are on them, until they are turned away at the airport, and that there is no way to get off of them or standard documented criteria for getting on them and I certainly wouldn't want to deny someone's rights based off of their name being on a questionable list.
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Not a serious offense, small fine
To be fined a really large amount, like half a billion dollars, your company would have to do something monstrous like Google advertising low-cost online prescriptions:
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Target is the Pharmas not the Consumers
If DEA collects metadata, they can find which pharmacists, doctors, etc. are dishing out the opiods. I share peoples concern over DEA getting private data to go after buyers, but I was pretty freaked out by the sting that netted 140 pharmacists in a distribution ring in my home state of Arkansas last year. https://www.justice.gov/usao-e...
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Re:4th Amendment?
I have often wondered why one couldn't file a criminal complaint of theft, or grant theft if the amount is high enough. Granted you would likely be fining the criminal complaint with the entity that employs the person who committed the theft, so maybe one needs to also file a complaint with the state's Attorney General not that have any reason to listen. Finally there is the final option of suing under deprivation of rights under the color of law if all else fails. Too bad so much of this is being done to prevent someone from being able to exercise their rights and is shutdown by the use of extraordinary mental gymnastics by judges to justify this continued behavior.
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Re:War on drugs
This was a problem for 20 years, and eventually the US attorney general made a ruling that in general, you can't sieze cash [justice.gov] as civil-asset forfeiture.
The Department of Jerks reversed this ruling 2.5 months later:
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War on drugs
Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
It was thrown out with the bathwater for the war on drugs.
The perception was that drug dealers were living high off of their ill-gotten gains: owning houses, boats, off-road trucks... and flaunting their wealth in the community.
We didn't have enough evidence to charge them with drug-related crimes, so we invented civil asset forfeiture to compensate: if you even *looked* like you could be a drug dealer, you could have your assets confiscated and sold.
And the proceeds can go directly to the police department to further their anti-drug campaign. Under this new law, drug crime became a self-correcting problem as the proceeds went to fund ever-more expanded police operations.
...except that it didn't. Drug use is as high as it ever was, police can confiscate anything you own on a whim, and the action is not tied to evidence or charges, and neither the police nor the prosecutors can be held liable for mistakes and errors.This was a problem for 20 years, and eventually the US attorney general made a ruling that in general, you can't sieze cash as civil-asset forfeiture.
(But the OP is apparently about state-sponsored seizure, not federal.)
This will to go to the supreme court, will cost about $2 million in wasted effort for some poor schmuck, cost about 10 years wasted time for some poor schmuck, and be overturned. In the meantime, OK state cops get a free pass to steal money from anyone.
And of course, when the government is eventually found doing something illegal, they are told to stop. When a company is found doing something illegal, they pay a small fine and don't admit to any wrongdoing. When a citizen is found doing something illegal, they go to jail.
And when a citizen is wrongly accused, it costs a lifetime of wages and a year or two of life effort just to escape the state's error.
What I don't understand is why more police aren't being shot in this nation. The police are trashing lives on a whim, and some of those trashed lives will have nothing to lose. I haven't had a polite interaction with a cop in 20 years, and most people say that the best policy is to avoid them at all costs. Parents are starting to teach their children not to call the police for help.
The police hurt a lot of people, unnecessarily, and a lot of people are getting desperate.
It surprises me that we're not in full-out revolt.
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Re:I call bullshit.
Yes, this is likely true. They should be held liable once the issue is reported and not acted upon. Not even knowing about an issue makes it a bit harder to pin blame. IT professionals may appear to work magic at times, but they're not psychics.
If this was a car there would be criminal charges for this sort of negligence. Incompetence is not an excuse for shitty design.
I'd hope if this was a contractor doing this sort of work for the pizza place would at least be held liable in a civil court at least.
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Definition of Rape...
"For purposes of this page, we use the term rape to mean all crimes of sexual violence, not just those crimes that would qualify as rape under the FBI definition
..."
WTF is that garbage? That is like considering what a used car salesman does to the average person as rape...previously...
"Rape is the forcible act of penetration of a female vagina by a male penis or foreign object. All other acts are considered sexual assault"as of 2012 the US federal statue has been changed to reflect...
"The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim."https://www.justice.gov/opa/bl...
Note : The definition of consent has been changed in many states as well to include and reflect the lack of ability to give consent and remove any reference to implied consent by the lack of ability to give consent due to incapacitation.
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Not the criminals
... organized crime bosses in Asia ...The USA can issue arrest warrants for employed Chinese soldiers, but not for serious criminals. The USA isn't a signatory to "Convention for the Suppression of the Traffic in Persons and of the Exploitation of the Prostitution of Others" (1949), or "Protocol to Prevent, Suppress and Punish Trafficking in Persons, especially Women and Children" (2003).
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Re:Fuck Goldman right in the Sachs
You certainly don't have to do business with them. But if you have evidence of specific crimes that nobody else has managed to identify, you might want to pass those along to the DoJ.
There's no need to inform the DoJ. Goldman says that it did commit the crimes it was accused of. This statement is part of the settlement and rather unusual as most of the banks were allowed to settle with a "neither agree nor disagree" kind of statement.
This note from the Justice department has some details of specific crimes.
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Re:Fuck Goldman right in the Sachs
So tell me, how's the bonus structure work at GS's customer relations department?
But if you have evidence of specific crimes that nobody else has managed to identify, you might want to pass those along to the DoJ.
Yeah, umm, the DoJ has already weighed in and GS already admitted to wrongdoing, so... y'know... nice try. There's more here, and in the 90,000 other articles that have been written about GS over the years. Goldman Sachs is a pretty high profile company and their activities are very well documented.
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Not anytime soon.A primer on post employment restrictions for the geek who has no idea about how the federal government really works.
There are statutory prohibitions on a former government employee that generally prevent her from ''switching sides'' after leaving the government. The following are the main restrictions:
Lifetime Ban - An employee is prohibited from representing anyone else before the government on a particular matter involving specific parties in which she participated personally and substantially.
Two-Year Ban - An employee is prohibited for two years from representing another person on a particular matter involving specific parties which was pending under her responsibility during her last year of government service.
One-Year Ban - A senior employee includes Executive Level officials and all other employees whose rate of basic pay is equal to or greater than 86.5% of the rate for Level II of the Executive Schedule, which is $158,554.00 as of January 2015
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Deport the rich, invite the poor
Those overseas students now face being deported from the United States for buying visas
One would think, the government's priorities would be to block the poor foreigners entering the country illegally and most immediately becoming a public burden. Only after we stop importing poverty, would the borders-enforcers turn on to people, who express their love for the United States without asking taxpayers for financial assistance.
Surely, both groups are breaking the law and ought to be prosecuted, but, if you must exercise prosecutorial discretion, wouldn't you start with those, who cause the most damage? The current Administration's priorities are exactly the opposite, for some reason...
Which is quite surprising, because prosecuting these immigrants — who had the advantage of geography in coming over here — would not require the elaborate entrapment schemes like setting up fake universities — the Administration already knows many of them, and even argues in court, it ought to be allowed to let them partake in Social Security and other "earned benefits" programs!
It is almost as if the plan is to allow them all to stay — despite going through the glacially slow motions of "deferred actions" — and, while staying, vote for the party in power, huh?
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Re:Embrace, Extend, Extinguish Meme
I wish this meme would die.
That's not a meme. It's a real strategy that Microsoft was doing as early as 1996.
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Re:The Fine Print
In exchange for naming the FBI(for example) as a cooperating agency,
Local law enforcement doesn't get along with the feds very well. The locals call the FBI a bunch of clowns behind their back. And yet, the FBI/DoJ ends up exposing quite a few local LE screw-ups and bad behavior. The FBI is called in only when policy defines a crime as being under federal jurisdiction (like bank robberies). Otherwise, the feds don't get called. The money was a method by which the FBI 'bought' local cooperation and loyalty. And now that this is gone, the bad feelings will surface. And all the local police chiefs will go back to their 'Bull Connor' philosophies of beating down the undesirables and looking the other way when the powerful commit crimes.
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Re:why sell it in the first place?The article has a link to this:
http://www.justice.gov/usao-sd...
Which says:Not long after his arrest, on December 27, 2012, Prokopi pled guilty to engaging in a scheme to illegally import the fossilized remains of numerous dinosaurs that had been taken out of their native countries illegally and smuggled into the United States.
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Re:Did you say "fascist"? (Re:Hypocrisy)
Again, you have yet to give a Trump example of this. We have instead an idiot who deliberately provoked violence. And nobody liked him as a result. Now, if you can show that Trump staged the thing to stoke the violent behavior and inclinations of his audience, that would be pretty strong evidence for some degree of fascism.
But since you at least tried, I'll point out the Trayvon Martin shooting by George Zimmerman as a counterexample. It was idiot on idiot violence yet Obama felt the need not only to cast Martin as the son he never had, but also to order a three year investigation of what at best was clearly a state not federal crime.
In other words, Obama completely and uncritically supported as a symbol, someone who assaulted another person with apparent intent to kill, to the point that he harassed for several years the victim of the assault. -
Re:All aboard!
Other manufacturers of diesel engines just sucked it up and licensed the Daimler urea-injection thing, and don't have these problems.
They only started doing that very recently, on Euro 6 models. Most current diesel cars do not use urea injection. They use (cooled) EGR and/or an NOx adsorber (LNT), like in the affected VW models. Since it has already been shown that almost all current diesel cars (even some that use urea injection) emit far more NOx in real-world situations than they do in test conditions, and several manufacturers have been caught doing things similar to VW's "defeat device", I expect a few more manufacturers to get in trouble.
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Re:All aboard!
Other manufacturers of diesel engines just sucked it up and licensed the Daimler urea-injection thing, and don't have these problems.
They only started doing that very recently, on Euro 6 models. Most current diesel cars do not use urea injection. They use (cooled) EGR and/or an NOx adsorber (LNT), like in the affected VW models. Since it has already been shown that almost all current diesel cars (even some that use urea injection) emit far more NOx in real-world situations than they do in test conditions, and several manufacturers have been caught doing things similar to VW's "defeat device", I expect a few more manufacturers to get in trouble.
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Re:Nail everyone?
Everyone has test mode. It's a requirement of the testing method. Turning off traction control and such for the test. Having multiple ECU maps is also normal. Having a "hidden" engine map operate when testing is not normal. But 99.9% of the work for it would be done without anyone doing anything untoward. It's the matching of the most "efficient" map to the test mode that's the only thing that's unusual.
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Re:It should sell for =$2.51, like it does in Cana
"You can also find it at Canadian pharmacies for $2.51 per tablet"
Were you aware that in 2011 the FDA fined Google half a billion dollars - billion with a B - for the crime of pointing this out. We need to make the FDA give Google every stolen dime back, and then slash its budget until it can't hurt us any more.
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Re:Stupid people are stupid
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Re:Fine vs profit?
This is in the US. I'm pretty sure it doesn't work like that here.
Well, you're wrong.
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Re:Obama's Justice Dept. will get right on it
They might disagree but they would do better to shine the light on the government itself more often. In that regard, they may as well change their motto to "In Justice We Trust".