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"Nobody has ever brought together the world of documents, media and structured information in giving you one simple set of verbs that lets you richly find, move around and replicate those things."

Lotus Notes has been available since 1989, but of course that is IBM.

more like Lotus Workplace. Provides collaboration, you can work offline and then synchronize with the workspace when connected, and the rich client is installed as a service, so you have the best of both worlds: rich client, but with the low maintenance cost of a web app. Also, it is highly componentized: e.g. if you don't want spreadsheet capabilities, you just don't subscribe (as a client) or do not provide it ( as a service).

Hehe, sounds like an implementation issue... you can sync or single-sign-on all three, even with your windows credentials. I'm authenticating our Domino users via Active Directory, which means one password for windows login AND Domino apps. If I wanted to use IIS, I could pass the windows creds transparently (no Domino password to type in).
Check out "Directory Assistance" and or "ADSync", for Domino and SameTime

You're exactly right. MS Office isn't the only thing businesses use Windows for, these days.

I work in the APM field (Application Portfolio Management) and I can tell you that there's almost no limit to how many (large and small) custom applications a company like Lockheed might have. There's no way they could just switch from Windows to Linux without massive expenditure.

For example, a company I've done work for, which I'd say is approx. 1/2 the size of Lockheed, had over 1500 (!!!) custom-built Windows applications in their portfolio. Most of these are nasty VB/Access apps, and some are even the dreaded Excel Spreadsheet Macro Apps. Imagine having to "port" all of that to Linux?

Yuck. There's so much redundancy, too. Most of the applications do similar things, but for different business units... or else a manager will have a favourite technology, and will insist that his/her versions of every business application be re-written for Domino or somesuch.

Bah! Back to work with me :)

Flash demo

There is pretty much nothing you cannot do with Notes. It is definately not open, and if you don't have it as your mail server, or on your system, this solution will not work for you. If, however, your mail system is on Notes, use a custom Lotus Notes DB.

Lotus Notes HomePage

Domino Redbook Online Summary Here.

Good Luck!

I suggest you read this critique of C&B. And if you don't get it, I'm sorry for ya.

This is another one of those little things that should remind us that while IBM may do some great things with and for Linux, they are a corporation out to make cash. IBM needs an office suite to pitch to management types with a one suite mind. I'm sure IBM would rather sell them its own software, they will do whatever it takes to make the sale. I'm sure that's what lead them to Linux in the first place, and that may be what turns them against us some time in the future. Free/Open software is our philosophy, but it's their sales gimmick at the moment.

Beware the wolf in sheeps clothing. Anyone else remember when Caldera was our friend too?

Some links:

• Domino system requirements
• Notes system requirements

Terminology: Domino is the server, Notes is the client. Hope this helps.

Sean

Some links:

• Domino system requirements
• Notes system requirements

Terminology: Domino is the server, Notes is the client. Hope this helps.

Sean

domino is already on linux

I know people inside ibm running notes on linux, using Wine. For a discussion on the pros/cons of a linux Notes client see this article.

IIRC Lotus Notes (an IBM product) supports an instant messageing system called "Sametime."

How much more enterprise savy could you need?

IBM should try their own website. Passport-Advantage is about the most hideous labyrinth I've ever spelunked (sp). IBM is not alone, but through sheer scale the site just screams "bueromaze".

It looks like they are planning to move the notes client into something based on the Eclipse platform in the same way that Websphere Studio is. This would mean that notes would have a fully supported linux client just in time to migrate everyone to a liunx desktop.

It's the cost stupid. Consider there may be upwards of 40M lines of code in the Notes client. And it's not just the pure development cost of the port either; it's testing and support, etc. See Ed Brill's blog.

"If you're an OS/2 user, you've chosen the OS/2 platform for its reliability, stability, and strong support of mission-critical applications, and you're interested in using the best tools available."

Just replace one word for the latest mantra...

the UI has changed significantly in 6.0.* and 6.5 6.5 is really sweet with instant messaging integration built in to the mail client and all custom applications. If I open a mail my buddy list grows a to: and cc: group with all the recipients and all my databases which have a name anywhere grow little green icons if the user is online. This is a bit hard to explain without seeing it in action, here is a link to a webcast that may be of interest. (the webcast probably needs windows, but then so does Notes. I want a Linux version of the Notes client.)

Try The R5 forums which are usually better then any online help.

I feel so much better now with my recent purchase of a handful of Athlon 1800, 512MB, 40G, Nic, no modem/etc boxes from my local neighborhood shop. I'm running them as app severs at home to try out a few things here and there. After reading this thread, it seems I'm not the only one who isn't caught up in the arms race to have the faster CPU... Lets see, I got three 1800s for around $1200 total. That's less than my sister paid for her high-speed Dell home spam/virus collector !!!

I've been working and integrating with Lotus Sametime for some years now and it's "awareness" is quite impressive.

Sametime's awareness allows us, for instance, to easily display on a web page which ones of your buddys are also browsing through the same page (and this is done server side). The same thing with Lotus Notes and any Notes-based application. In the new Notes 6.5 you can right-click the name of someone who sent you an e-mail and start chatting with them.

In no way I want to defend Sametime, it has a long way to go in user-friendliness (it's so bad that even IBM created an alternate client, NotesBuddy)and inter-connectivity, but it does make it very easy to be "aware" of the status of your fellow workers by, for instance, showing a green square just before their names in your inbox.

Say you got a mail from your boss refusing your raise - you can quickly see he's online and bump through is office with half the company routers and some ethernet cables just to "get him a strong message of disagreement".

So, I strongly believe that awareness is not a buzzword anymore.

Domino ... use the web interface and you're done.

Or: (ignoring the 'show me the solution but don't use X' - Sheesh! Software works or not!)

Lotus notes, Excel, Visio

If you ship a Linux distribution as a major supplier, you ship it ready to run the applications people want to run. That means you qualify the distribution. Big companies are pretty good about QA...

Personally I don't give a crap about Notes, Openoffice is fine for me. Your mileage may vary, as it does with Windows.

Simon.

What you're asking for is a SAN.

I just installed a Network Appliance FAS250 in my server room. It speaks CIFS, NFS, and iSCSI.

By the way, you're wrong... Oracle will run perfectly using CIFS shares (I'm running it now, and have been for the past few months), and NetApp has plenty of documents in their tech library showing all the different ways to use attached storage with Oracle and many other pieces of software.

With respect to speed, it really depends on the network infrastructure. I've got a Cisco GigE switch attaching 6 machines directly to a GigE port on the NetApp Filer. It is literally twice as fast than the directly attached RAID 5 (caching, etc.) arrays that it replaced.

I think that Microsoft Exchange can be installed to a CIFS share, but if not, you should look at iSCSI. My company uses Lotus Notes 4.6.7 (sweet, merciful Christ, please put me out of my misery), and it works great from a CIFS share on the NetApp.

Microsoft has a free iSCSI Initiator for Windows that will mount an iSCSI device just like any other SCSI drive in Windows. You can find several iSCSI targets for linux here.

I have about 50 Mac's on our network (graphics department) that needed to talk with the new filer. Instead of installing a klugy piece of software to make the OS9 Macs talk to the SAN at $150/seat, I installed a linux box using samba to talk to the SAN through CIFS and netatalk (AppleTalk for linux) to re-share out the samba mounts. Becides some quirks (Mac's don't see the linux gateway in the AFP browse list, but can connect directly through IP), it works rather well.

Look at iSCSI, it does exactly what you're looking for.

The article fails to mention Lotus Smartsuite, which, miraculously, is still around.

The current version (Notes 6.5) lets you run a Notes client via a browser, including on Linux. See here.

SamsungContact
SuSE Openexchange Server
Oracle Collaboration Suite
and
Lotus Notes

are viable products that don't rely on AD and MSFT-products.

I use qmail for myself, but it's not something for people who need calendaring.
Disclaimer: my company re-sells SuSE's product.

Your search - Domino Administrator wanted - did not find any openings.
--Monster.com

Monster.com has 26 jobs listed.
Dice.com has 20 jobs listed.
JustNotesJobs.com has 16 jobs in the U.S.

If you are going to troll, at least do it correctly.

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The problem with finding Domino Administrator jobs is:
1. The people in those jobs are rather highly paid for an computer administration position. In 2000, Certified Lotus Professional System Administrators averaged $89,000.
2. They do not need to worry about viruses beyond choosing and installing a mail filter/virus protection, since no viruses have hurt Lotus Notes yet. The virus protection checks those virus-prone Word files, and helps if users are using MSOutlook as the mail client.
3. The number of administrators needed for a company running Notes and Domino is much less than the same company running Exchange. This is anecdotal from personal experience. I know a 500 person company that grew from one person doing Notes Admin work part-time in a computer department of 2 people to 2 full-time Exchange Admins with 10 people in the computer department, at a time when the company was shrinking. A 30,000+ employees company went from 10 Notes administrators maintaining their own servers to 60 Exchange administrators with the servers maintained by a different group. This is only the Administration side, application development costs skyrocketed while application rollouts almost disappeared after the switch.

Domino Administrators are happy, and companies of any size do not need very many of them. There is little turnover, and so there are few jobs to be filled. (Besides, who is going to quit with today's job market?)

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To be on-topic, Lotus/IBM releases updates at least quarterly. The updates usually add functionality, and fix crashes due to very unique circumstances. I only remember 2 that were for security issues. One was only an issue if the option to use MSIE as the browser was selected. The other was only an issue if Notes Designer was run in a certain configuration without a firewall. None of the updates are "critical". I just upgraded one large company's server from Domino 5.0.2 because the hardware was being replaced.

To be fair, while Domino is a platform, it is not an OS. It relies on Unix, Linux, or MSWindows for its file protection. If you are running MSWindows, you may need some of these patches. Then again, if Domino is only running mail, web applications, and Notes client applications, you can turn off most of the vulnerable MS services.

Lotus Notes (http://www.lotus.com/) is MUCH more than Exchange is.

Runs on many platforms including Linux and IBM mainframe, does not require any existing infrastructure (latest exchange requires Active Directory & win2003 server), the new web based mail component fully supports Mozilla (and not a dumbed down version but the whole DHTML experience), It not only does mail/calendaring etc but is a platform for making your own DB apps, program in LotusScript or Java, has it's own webserver, is a secure public key based infrastructure, local replication of ANY database for offline use....

Nevertheless, prior art for such an indicator DOES exist. I have used Lotus Sametime for at least two years. Sametime's chat window has a status bar that says "so-and-so is responding" as soon as that person begins typing. The chat window does NOT show WHAT they are typing until the person at the other end presses ENTER. This type of function (Sametime's "so-and-so is responding" status message) sounds exactly like the functionality for which MS just received its patent.

Nevertheless, prior art for such an indicator DOES exist. I have used Lotus Sametime for at least two years. Sametime's chat window has a status bar that says "so-and-so is responding" as soon as that person begins typing. The chat window does NOT show WHAT they are typing until the person at the other end presses ENTER. This type of function (Sametime's "so-and-so is responding" status message) sounds exactly like the functionality for which MS just received its patent.

For the curious ...

The IBM/Lotus product is named Sametime. It ties in nicely if you have an existing Domino network. (w/ little isonline icons in your notes mail, and other random integration features.)

And yes, having setup jabber recently, it is somewhat of a pain in the ass. All the extenions have their own way of being compiled and setup. (AIM extenion, & the Jit ICQ extension) It's starting to make sense how it works, but it's tricky to get the hang of.

hopefully jabber2 is a bit easier to setup ...

[grain of salt]
Nope.... It's not like there are lots of competetive groupware products and services out there... Just that for some crazy reason, people still choose Microsoft, who are proven leaders in designing secure, easy to use products.
[/grain of salt]

Both Lotus Notes and First Class shipped in 1989. From talking to our Exchange admin, I get the impression it still provides only a fraction of the functionality of Notes and FC. OTOH, Notes has always had a horrible client interface. I have only heard good things from FC users.

They have/had a product, Lotus Translation Services for Sametime, that plugs into their Sametime IM system and does translation by interfacing to some separate tranlsation server, such as their own WebSphere Translation product. They even have a demo of it on the web.

There may be detail differences in the implementation that the Microsoft patent application describes, but in general this is nothing new.

Lotus Sametime Chat Server does two way translation of chat. We looked at this two years and more ago...

Lotus Sametime Chat Services

Well technically there is a decent non-MS solution for 'groupware'. It even works with Outlook; it's not cheap (then again neither is Exchange), it works great, runs on a number of platforms, but the only problem that management would often cite is that it's non-MS to begin with. Nobody got fired for buying from M$.

Seriously, I'm surprised nobody has mentioned it in more detail. Domino runs on Windows, Linux, AIX, Solaris, and the AS/400. The client is available for Windows and the MacOS currently, and runs very well under Wine. There's also iNotes, which is a web-based client for mobile workers or those on "non-standard" desktops.

Domino supports POP3, IMAP4 and LDAP V3.s MIME, S/MIME, HTML, NNTP, and X.509 certificates. With some work, you can tie the Domino Directory to your AD tree.

Also, the Outlook client can easily exist in the Domino network - you can use the Global Address Book, personal folders, etc.

No, it's not Open Source, and no, it's not free, either, but it's a damned good product nonetheless.

http://www.lotus.com/notes

"It's so important and is probably the major problem facing Linux as viable replacements for Win2000 servers."

Right, because Lotus Notes has the majority share of corporate e-mail solutions or because Bynari offers an Exchange replacement that runs on Unix.

This is such a stupid statement. Active Directory is a much bigger problem in replacing Win2k servers since your Linux servers would more or less be stranded on the network as is.

The "big three" personal IM clients (AOL, MSN, Yahoo) are great for talking to Aunt Martha, but if you need reliability, accountability, security, logging, programmability, presence, etc... use tools suitable for the work environment like IBM SameTime IBM already has like 80% of the big corporate IM market - and this is more bad news for the AOL/MSNs of the world. (SMBs and those with Jabber, etc, please don't feel slighted - those are great tools also I hear)

This should be good news for Lotus/IBM as companies abandon the toys (AOL/MSN/Yahoo) and go for the tools.

(Sorry, obligatory SCO/IBM suit reference not included ;)

Organisation-wide IM client with authentication from internal LDAP/Domino Directory

- no need to let AOL/MS listen in on your conversations, or open up your firewalls for that matter

- every conversation is encrypted by default

- server can be set up to log everything

There ARE other options than MSN Messenger/AIM, you know...

http://www.lotus.com/sametime

or for those who enjoy clicking and hate cutting & pasting, Lotus Sametime.

It does everything you want, and more. Pricing is reasonable.

(I added the link for dramatics)

>I'm sure you could find whole offices running OpenOffice or StarOffice or even still using WordPerfect and 123 just so they can stay away from MS products. But they aren't the IBM's or Fords or Bank of America's of the world.

Perhaps Bank of America will be changing its tune after 13,000 of its ATMs were put out of service by Microsoft bugs. Or perhaps they're just stupid and masochistic? Either way, if they're still paying for M$-ware, I'd take a second look at whether I want to invest my money in a bank that doesn't put its money where its mouth is.

Ford, well, beats the hell out of me what they run. :)

It's not relational, it's been described as 'document oriented' which is perfect for storing and retrieving XML docs. It's also extremely flexible, extremely secure (NSA, CIA, FAA, and 80+ million other users), and fast to program with (RAD), and supports tons of open standards. For you fans of "View Model Controller" - Domino has been using this architecture for over 15 years now...

The XML classes are built in (or easily extend your own classes using LotusScript, Java, C++, COM, anything really!!!) There is an intro on the dev site that described the classses. Check out the demo code in the sandbox, or surf from the main product page. By the way, it runs on almost any OS/Platform (AIX, OS/400, Linux, Solaris, Windows).

Personally, I would use Domino if I was going to create a repository fo reports in XML. The model fits like a glove and it's a pleasure to program/maintain.

Here's a few random Domino related URLs for you...

Gary's Devendorf is the Product Manager for the AppDev portion of the Domino product and he has a section on one of the dev sites with XML references.
Off topic, but you can run your blog on the side (graphically challenged site warning) check out the links to Domino people, especially Libby !
And there's even an Open Source group of Domino developers.

It's not relational, it's been described as 'document oriented' which is perfect for storing and retrieving XML docs. It's also extremely flexible, extremely secure (NSA, CIA, FAA, and 80+ million other users), and fast to program with (RAD), and supports tons of open standards. For you fans of "View Model Controller" - Domino has been using this architecture for over 15 years now...

The XML classes are built in (or easily extend your own classes using LotusScript, Java, C++, COM, anything really!!!) There is an intro on the dev site that described the classses. Check out the demo code in the sandbox, or surf from the main product page. By the way, it runs on almost any OS/Platform (AIX, OS/400, Linux, Solaris, Windows).

Personally, I would use Domino if I was going to create a repository fo reports in XML. The model fits like a glove and it's a pleasure to program/maintain.

Here's a few random Domino related URLs for you...

Gary's Devendorf is the Product Manager for the AppDev portion of the Domino product and he has a section on one of the dev sites with XML references.
Off topic, but you can run your blog on the side (graphically challenged site warning) check out the links to Domino people, especially Libby !
And there's even an Open Source group of Domino developers.

It's not relational, it's been described as 'document oriented' which is perfect for storing and retrieving XML docs. It's also extremely flexible, extremely secure (NSA, CIA, FAA, and 80+ million other users), and fast to program with (RAD), and supports tons of open standards. For you fans of "View Model Controller" - Domino has been using this architecture for over 15 years now...

The XML classes are built in (or easily extend your own classes using LotusScript, Java, C++, COM, anything really!!!) There is an intro on the dev site that described the classses. Check out the demo code in the sandbox, or surf from the main product page. By the way, it runs on almost any OS/Platform (AIX, OS/400, Linux, Solaris, Windows).

Personally, I would use Domino if I was going to create a repository fo reports in XML. The model fits like a glove and it's a pleasure to program/maintain.

Here's a few random Domino related URLs for you...

Gary's Devendorf is the Product Manager for the AppDev portion of the Domino product and he has a section on one of the dev sites with XML references.
Off topic, but you can run your blog on the side (graphically challenged site warning) check out the links to Domino people, especially Libby !
And there's even an Open Source group of Domino developers.

Ever here of Domino? All the IT directors I know need their hand held clicking on a start button, let alone knowing shit about linux.

IBM sells over $10 billion in software every year.

Lotus Notes (#1 selling e-mail and collaboration system), WebSphere (#1 selling web application server), DB2 (#1 selling SQL database), Tivoli (storage and network management software), Rational, ViaVoice, AIX, Sametime (#1 business IM product), and so on.

Probably the most widespread commercial IM product is IBM's Lotus SameTime. It offers industrial strength IM with good security, etc.

Note that I have no relationship w/ IBM except as a customer.

Sean

Check out IBM Lotus Sametime.

the anti-page-widening-troll filter butchered the link. Click here if you want it to work. I mean no offense but if you want to se an impression posting broken URL's to weboards wont help. I will assume your new to slashdot as you are an AC and seem to not understand. If you are truly new yet you seem like a regular geek then... what the hell man where have you been? you have missed some sweet ass trolling and karma whoring going on...

I ran a Jabber server at work until corporate provided an IM solution. They chose IBM Lotus Sametime.