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Sure, no one is liable. They're turning thousands of cd drivers into garbage, and no one's liable, 'cause it's open-source.

Man, and you thought a communist programming system would work.

When you accomplish that, then you can talk shit about Windows.

When I get back to work Monday I'll post that info (and the firmware versions, if I can get them) to the Mandrake Club Install forum. Of course, that's where I should have posted it in the first place.

Actually, you might want to try a route that will get you to developers more directly, either by filing a bug in the bug tracking system for stable releases or by posting to the cooker list.

It took over a day to get from the Club to developers, as I picked it up a bit late on the Club, and could only post to the maintainers list the next morning.

Anyway, posting to a news site is not the first thing you should do if you're interested in having it fixed quickly (people don't take kindly to getting bad press without you giving them an opportunity to investigate first).

Mandrake 9.2 Beta for AMD64

Try Mandrake. Still my favorite distro.

-j

In particular, the clause that appears to apply to Mandrake is:

3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it, under Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you also do one of the following:

* a) Accompany it with the complete corresponding machine-readable source code, which must be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or,

* b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or,

* c) Accompany it with the information you received as to the offer to distribute corresponding source code. (This alternative is allowed only for noncommercial distribution and only if you received the program in object code or executable form with such an offer, in accord with Subsection b above.)

The source code for a work means the preferred form of the work for making modifications to it. For an executable work, complete source code means all the source code for all modules it contains, plus any associated interface definition files, plus the scripts used to control compilation and installation of the executable. However, as a special exception, the source code distributed need not include anything that is normally distributed (in either source or binary form) with the major components (compiler, kernel, and so on) of the operating system on which the executable runs, unless that component itself accompanies the executable.

If distribution of executable or object code is made by offering access to copy from a designated place, then offering equivalent access to copy the source code from the same place counts as distribution of the source code, even though third parties are not compelled to copy the source along with the object code.

Now, who was it that needs some education on the GPL? I'm sorry, but I don't particularly care to allow you to try to justify your actions with sloppy, uninformed rationalization.

http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/ftp.php3#586

They addressed this already.
It seems kind of slow due to slashdotting.

On a side note, this time the slashdot sensationalism really disapointed me. I've been eagerly checking Mandrake's site for a while now, I've got a computer that's waiting to have 9.2 installed on it. I'm waiting for the free download, then as soon as I'm sure I like it, I'll run out to buy a copy. Does anyone know if Best Buy will carry this one? I saw them with an older version years back.

From: http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/9.2/features/#13

Since Netscape and the last few remaining proprietary applications have been removed, Mandrake Linux 9.2 is a "100% Free Software" product. This means that everyone is granted the right to access the sources, modify and redistribute the software. This also means that Mandrake Linux 9.2 can be deployed on as many machines as desired.

And Mandrake and Red Hat Enterprise (somewhere).

64-bit Windows beta is available via MSDN if you need Evil Empire compatability.

There's even a bootable CD of 64-bit America's Army. Linux based, of course.

Did you have a look at Mandrake's website?

September 24th, 2003 - Mandrake 9.2 Beta1 for AMD64 - The first beta of Mandrake 9.2 for AMD64 (Athlon64 and Opteron) is now available. Release informations and places to download are available here.

I can no loner allow Linux subversion, Linux propaganda and the Linux international conspiracy to sap and impurify, our precious, bodily fluids.
"Tell me Mandrake have you ever seen a penguin drink a glass of water? No? and not without good reason."

This is an alternative patch for desktop users. ;)

I installed this patch instead!!!

It never gets old ....

I've chatted to other Mac (being one myself) users and most would be more than happy to move to Linux/x86 without any hesitation, however, they need the likes of Photoshop, Studio MX, Quark etc etc for their day-to-day work.

You really should check out the Mandrake Linux 9.1. Power PC Distribution. It includes support to run Mac Applications on Linux in an X Window at Native Speed.. It's called Mac on Linux and would let you get the big name support you so desire while running Linux on a Mac.

http://mandrakeuser.cjb.net

New web site up on how to set up mandrake 9.1 to ease the configuration pains of the new linux user. Written and catered for the moderate computer user. It covers how to get and install mandrake and add in most of the needed applications. Covers most of the major software included in the distribution, other freely available applications, newbie command line tutorial, how to handle some common and annoying bugs peculiar to each application.
This HOWTO is my first contribution community, and since I found newbie documentation wanting, I wrote one myself. It is for the impatient user who wants to reduce their startup time, and would apply to other distributions and mandrake versions as well.

Written from a user's point of view, it covers how to get and install Mandrake, add in most of the needed applications, a newbie command line tutorial, and how to handle some peculiar bugs to each application. This guide might spare you a lot of googling for answers as it's all placed on one convenient website.
PART I
1. Introduction
2. Indispensable Tools for the Linux User
3. Useful links

PART II - Mandrake Installation
1. Getting Mandrake 9.1
2. Installing Mandrake 9.1
3. Going through the install sequence
4. Using Mandrake
5. Nice things to add easily
6. Configuration with Mandrake Control Center
7. Configuration with Gnome Control Center
8. Important Configuration of Menus and MIME Types
9. More Advanced Configuration

PART III - Linux Shell and Apps
1. Navigating around terminal
2. Shells -- bash, csh, rsh, sh
3. Environments and Paths
4. File Permissions
5. Editing files
6. Linking
7. Finding Files
8. Using grep
9. Basic bash scripts knowledge
10. Running Remote X applications
11. Mounting Remote File Systems
12. Language setup for man pages
13. Handling Print Jobs

PART IV - Software Packages
1. What are packages?
2. Specifying Sources For Online Downloading - Mandrake Mirrors, Texstar, PLF
3. Packages to be installed from Mandrake CDs - Mesa, mplayer, Timidity, pan, gaim, mozplugger
4. Packages to install from Texstar - Macromedia Flash, nano, Real Player
5. Mplayer and Codecs
6. Other essential packages- Open Office, Sun Java, Adobe Acrobat 5, BitTorrent
7. Setting up SMB share for Windows
8. Using vncserver for remote desktop applications
9. File Sharing - p2p networks - Limewire, edonkey, lmule
10. Running M$ Office under Linux.
11. Games - SNES, MAME, WineX

PART V - Advanced FAQ
1. How do I get DRI 3D acceleration to work?
2. Mandrake Fonts Deuglification and Anti-aliasing
3. Email Clients and Web Browsers (Handling mailto: and http:)
4. Full Mozilla Plugins Configuration (Quicktime, Java, Flash, Mplayer)
5. Konquerer Plugins Configuration
6. X Windows xmatrix screensaver
7. How to adjust the sound volume permanently

Well seeing as Mandrake is in freeze for 9.2 gold (rc1 is out), isn't this a bit late?

Changelog is here: http://www3.mandrakelinux.com/en/92beta.php3

Corrections from beta1 include:

- Rpmdrake now functional
- Upgrade from former versions now fully handled
- New windows are now conveniently centered

Urpmi and rpmdrake still complain about missing key. This issue should be fixed in the next beta.

Improvements:

- First version of Netprofile, the new network profiles manager designed for users who connect to multiple networks. Feedback is highly requested for this newly introduced feature.
- Complete rewrite of userdrake (user management) in Gtk2
- New bootsplash (graphical boot) with graphical design not completed
- Improved localization
- New font support for Indian
- Enhanced drakTermServ (terminal server configurator).

New software versions:

- KDE 3.1.3
- GNOME 2.3.5
- Evolution 1.4.4
- Openldap 2.1.22
- kerberos5 1.3

The screenshots look encouraging, and the Mandrake people reckon it's much easier to compile, and its main focus is running Very Old (dos) Games On New Systems (-: nice acronym :-).

"What you need to do is go and download the patch from microsoft. You can find it here"

I found a much better patch here.
It works great and it won't happen again once you apply this patch..

I used this patch instead in my whole network.

Nowadays, you can get Linux, but usually only in boxes. I figure if I'm going to get something from them, I'm just going to buy the parts, d/l the ISOs for my favorite distribution, burn 'em to CD, and install my life away.

I mean, what's the big deal? It's no secret they abuse their employees, who aren't all that intelligent to begin with for the most part.

One can get a "free" VMWare version if you buy the 9.1 Mandrake Linux POWERPACK EDITION... (for linux of course)

... you can follow the guidelines on their site, although it may also be helpful to post a link to an SRPM in your mail (which you should also cc to the cooker list, since the employee handling contribs is very busy, but there are a lot of non-employee contributors who will be able to add your package.

More and more development is being done by the community, so you may want to stop by the cooker wiki which may have more up-to-date documents than those on the Mandrakesoft website.

... you can follow the guidelines on their site, although it may also be helpful to post a link to an SRPM in your mail (which you should also cc to the cooker list, since the employee handling contribs is very busy, but there are a lot of non-employee contributors who will be able to add your package.

More and more development is being done by the community, so you may want to stop by the cooker wiki which may have more up-to-date documents than those on the Mandrakesoft website.

Really? I thought Microsoft had patents that kept free software from writing to NTFS. Well, certian version of NTFS at least. here is a cluefull letter about NTFS and installs. I imagine that parted is state of the free art, and that M$ can make their crap a pain in the ass at any time.

If YOU fuck up Windows (Blaming Microsoft is easier, but fact is, Windows is most often mangled by incompetent users doing stuff they shouldn't be doing.) then it is YOUR responsibility to have made proper backups of the full HD with Linux already installed. Same thing applies when it is NOT your fault, your data is still your responsibility

The only fault a user has when dealing with Microsoft software is the fact that they decided to use Microsoft. It is impossible for a Microsoft user to take proper precations and make up for the ill will and malice Microsoft has for them. Data loss is NEVER the user's fault. Where do you get off telling us that we should not be putting an alternate OS onto our computers? What other "stuff" shouldn't we be doing? Fold up your "blame the user" FUD till it's all sharp corners and stick it up your ass.

Flippant answer: It is possible -- just don't install that silly Windows OS. Presto! No more problem installing Linux, no need for any non-free software.

Semi-flippant answer: Why not turn this question around and ask why the wonderful copy of Windows you got "free" with your machine (and I use "free" here only in the loosest sense) requires you to spend $69.95 just for the privilege of installing a second operating system on the machine that you own?

Non-flippant answer: You don't have to spend any additional money to install Linux. There's several free options available. Here's three of them just off the top of my head:

• Knoppix - the most recent version includes qtparted, which can resize NTFS. And even after you've installed the distro of your choice, Knoppix makes a great recovery CD, so hang onto it. Downside for the bandwidth-challenged is that this is a 700MB ISO image.
• Mandrake - the first Mandrake 9.1 installation CD can resize NTFS partitions. Slightly smaller (650MB ISO) download than Knoppix. Might be handy if you don't have any 700MB CD-Rs handy.
• BootIt NG - the maintenance mode has a very easy-to-use NTFS resizer. (Shareware, 30-day free trial use. If you can't get your NTFS partition resized within a month, give up and have the 8-year-old kid from next door give you a hand.) Very small download -- it's a bootable floppy image -- so a decent option if you're stuck with dial-up access and want to avoid sucking down a 650-700MB ISO image.

have been in Cooker (RC?) for a while.

So tempting to mod you down like the troll you are but why not bite instead.

If you just go to this little link right here you'll find a very easy to use Office app that you can install in a few clicks on Windows, Solaris or Linux. And not only does it not have to be compiled, it doesn't cost your money or freedom either!

Or perhaps you'd like the entire linux OS, free of licensing, without having to compile a single thing. Here are just a few examples.

One of the Linux distros (cough, Mandrake) would cop the subscription system. FreeBSD is right on with this method, the price is reasonable, its a great cause and satisfying as hell to receive the disks as your reading about the new release.

Paying $60/$120/$600 up front is a little steep (at least for some of us) but paying $25 per release (or something similar) is a very nice approach.

One of the Linux distros (cough, Mandrake) would cop the subscription system. FreeBSD is right on with this method, the price is reasonable, its a great cause and satisfying as hell to receive the disks as your reading about the new release.

Paying $60/$120/$600 up front is a little steep (at least for some of us) but paying $25 per release (or something similar) is a very nice approach.

It seems that they are doing much better since their latest Mandrake 9.1 was very warmly welcomed by users. In addition, their new business model based on Club subscription is certainly the best idea a Free Software company ever had to make money with Linux! On the users' side, the Club is a great tool to get and install - with one click - all the neat stuff that isn't available for free or difficult to find (such as RealPlayer, Flash player, many hardware drivers...).

I installed Mandrake 9.1 on many different machines and it's clear that it's their best distribution so far: I had extremely few glitches, and everything installed and auto-configured very quickly. In addition, their new desktop is very slick, in particular under KDE, with anti-aliasing everywhere, new icons (created by Everaldo, the designer of the new KDE icons) and so on...

I'm warmly recommending Mandrake 9.1 to all my friend and at work, because I found it very much more stable (less bugs) than Red Hat, especially on the desktop side (I found the X Window provided with Red Hat to be particularly unstable). When compared to Debian, it's really the same Free Software world and spirit, with 2 years of advance and a great desktop by default (yes CmdrTaco!!!). And I won't annoy you with supermount and other dynamic desktop options that made my life (and some friends') Microsoft-free for two years now...

By the way (1): it seems that Mandrake is also doing well at Download.com (look in the Linux section for you dudes who aren't under Linux). Much more than Red Hat and Suse actually.

By the way (2): the MandrakeStore has deeply improved since Mandrake 9.0 and I received my Mandrake pack pre-order in time.

What I find annoying is that material about other products seems to get kicked off quickly from the front pages of many sites and some even disappear. This is unfortunate because information is essential in making informed decisions. Microsoft products have been unable to survive in a free market nor compete on technical merits, and then there are the image problems, security issues, fines.

The market has already changed and Microsoft has not. RedHat, Mandrake, Suse, and OS X are all far easier to install, use and maintain. And these are more secure. In other words, they are for all practical purposes, drop in replacements for most home and many business desktops, minus the games. For games, there's Playstation and Gamecube. The market has already said what it has to say about xbox

The U.S. economy is hurting so badly that deflation is now a danger. Ballmer, Allchin, and Gates' insistence on trying to keep a dead company afloat is just causing further harm. Enough all ready, if the executives haven't exercised their options by now, tough. Businesses and agencies now realize that by going with the better (i.e. non-Microsoft) systems, not only do they gain more flexibility, but can spend their time working rather than repair.

What competitor?

Redhat
Suse Mandrake
To name a few...

If I remember correctly, those are all business who sell's Linux based operating system.
Direct competitors to Microsoft I would think...

Does it run Linux? :)

Real nerds should have most of the parts lying around! (jk)

$54 Geforce 4 mx
$29 5.1 Sound
$99 Clear pc case
$50 Cordless keyboard with built in mouse
$99 120 Gig hard drive
$219 DVD Burner
$43 512 Meg memory
$137 1800 XP AMD / Soyo Dragon MB combo
$25 Zalman cpu cooler
$69 Zalman quiet power supply
$74 +/- Various Case Lighting
$16 Fan controller (slow down!)
$0 OS
$0 Multimedia software

$914!

Coolness factor..priceless.

Plus, on the bright side after your wife/lover/puppy figures out how much this all cost you can remind them that its totally upgradable! Plus you can install next years features an 1/3 the cost (intead of throwing it away)!

Disappointing? Did you try the newly released (and _great_) Mandrake 9.1???

Take a look at the Mandrake 9.1 Features Page and you will find a snazzy screenshot of K3B which would probably suit your needs. It looks pretty slick!

Did anyone else notice that the name of the user in the name of the user selected for the second screenshot is "Testi".

I bet they had a ball choosing that one :)

Yes it includes mplayer:
http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/9.1/features/15.ph p3

(list of packages)

If you would have followed the story link you would have seen it say, specifically, "NTFS partition resizing" under Technical Improvements.

mandrake

March 25th, 2003 - Mandrake Linux 9.1 (Bamboo) is available! - We are very proud to bring you this exceptional release of Mandrake Linux. It's beautiful, fast, more powerful than ever. We hope you're going to love it as much as we loved to build it. A press release about this new release is available here. You can discover all Mandrake 9.1 features and what it looks like on this page, download it here. Don't delay to pre-order your pack, be among the first to receive a full Mandrake 9.1 box! Subscribe to the club and get many benefits such as an extended list of FTP mirrors and rebates on 9.1 pre-orders!

With Mandrake Linux 9.1 right around the corner

9.1 "final" is available right now (checkout the mirror list).

The /. effect hasn't kicked in yet since I'm maxing out my ADSL download (64KB/s).

Unfortunatly, it comes with MySQL 4.0.11, KDE 3.1... when MySQL 4.0.12 (production release) and KDE 3.1.1... just came out.

The best of all with this new release, in my opinion, is that the level of quality is very high. I couldn't find any bug yet - Mandrake improved much in the debuging area as well!

Great to see such a great product - it's really _the_ event in the Linux world...

I just hope they'll continue to release community editions ala Redhat8...

• The list of packages is frozen
• New Mandrake theme "Galaxy" is available
• "Supermount" is back

I can't see how it's even "quietly". Red Hat has had this info on their website for a while now (can't recall exactly when I saw it and submitted it to slashdot, but it was before last December). As for "microsoftish"? Well, you get what you pay for. Most of the apps I personally run are patchable from sources outside RH. At work, we tend to get patches from the "vendor": ssh from openssh.org, apache from httpd.apache.org, PHP from php.net, etc. in addition to ones from redhat.com/errata/. Likely, we'll shift that balance even more.

I guess Red Hat is being microsoftish by trying to make a profit (maybe someday), ... or maybe it's the windowsupdate.com like ability to patch over the web.

They already do make a profit. Not a large one, but they are profitable. Is this move intended to generate more revenue? You bet. I can imagine them saying "Well, if you want/need guaranteed errata, then buy Advanced Server. If all you need is Linux, download an ISO and then after a year patch yourself for free." That's fine.

This also certainly ties into their Red Hat Update service, which already does network patching, same as Windows Update. (Forgive me if you were making that point; I missed the meaning of "from the web", and am construing "web" to mean "network".)

I think they're more Microsoftish than you may think, and I say 'right on!'.

As long as I have source, and they don't force me to deal with choices they've made, I'm with you. As soon as Red Hat starts trying to remove my liberties by trying to think for me, like MS has made a mint doing, I'm switching. But dump them for trying to make money selling services to those who need/want them? What could be wrong with that? I'd rather download free ISO from a company that only supports it for one year than have to pay up PBS style.

-B

• January 18th, 2003 - Mandrake Linux 9.1 Beta 2 is ready for download and testing. Two brand-spankin' new ISO images are now available at the usual download locations. Everyone is invited to participate as a beta tester and report any bugs to BugZilla.

Let's see... I insulted someone, missed the point, and posted redundant links. Yep, just about the perfect Slashdot post.

DrakX is Open Source (GPL) and Open Development :)

Maybe Arch or Yoper. They have beta with 3.1rc.
Mandrake also released 9.1beta1 lately. Haven't try it though.

Will all the MandrakeClub members have to turn in their funny hats with the ears?