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Besides, OSC's SF books have nothing to do with his views on a totally orthogonal societal issue.

Not so. Enchantment is about pre-ordained heterosexual marriage and the struggle of the Christian partners against pagan deities. It's a thinly-veiled showcase of his beliefs.

Boycotting the former because of the latter is called an ad hominem. Case in point, a lot of people enjoy Disney movies and Ford cars despite Walt Disney and Henry Ford being nasty antisemitic pro-nazi nutjobs.

No, boycotting the business of someone whose beliefs you despise is called the free market. Christians do it all the time. Whether or not someone can enjoy a movie is incidental to whether or not they choose to do so. Personally, I boycotted the movie Powder because the director was a convicted child molester. I don't give a shit whether or not the movie was any good. Disney knew of his history when they hired him, and I won't give them a dime of my money for that product.

Go google for this. Then pull up the links: Ann Coulter did not object to the news about NSA phone snooping on principle, but does have a problem with it under this particular president.

I guess you could call Ann Coulter a "neo-con", but she is just a talking head, so she'll make hay out of anything that her audience wants to hear.

Republican Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner of Wisconsin asked: “How could the phone records of so many innocent Americans be relevant to an authorized investigation as required by the Act?” In a separate newspaper column, Sensenbrenner went further, claiming the administration was abusing the law. that piece of trash sat on Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security (Chairman) when all of this went down. He was right in the MIDST of it all, and then claims that he knew nothing about it, while claiming O is behind this.

Sensenbrenner is trash, but I don't see where he really "claimed O was behind this", he is, however, claiming the program went too far, and he didn't know how far, apparently, because he wasn't in the right meetings. But Snowden's documents have shown that even the Intelligence committee was not informed about everything going on, although there were "lawmakers from both houses" briefed. A total of 8, according to leaked documents.

The interesting part about this is that even Sensenbrenner, who loved the PATRIOT ACT and all this federal power and secrecy, thinks the PRISM and NSA programs go too far. That's a pretty stunning indictment.

On Sunday, the Republican senator and libertarian firebrand from Kentucky declared that he planned to file a class action lawsuit against the Obama administration, claiming the NSA surveillance programs that intercept internet communications (for supposedly foreign targets) and sweep up the phone records of Americans are "unconstitutional."

Rand Paul is not a neo-con. There is no credible definition of that term I have EVER seen that would apply to Rand Paul. I guess you're just using it to mean "anybody on the right," but that's not how it's typically used. Rand is on the side of liberal Democrats more often than he is on the side of the neo-cons.

That Piece of Trash

Paul? Fuck you, you piece of stinking garbage. I know Rand, and he has more honor in his pinky than you have ever thought of exhibiting in your entire life.

sits on Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs (starting 2011). IOW, the senate version of what Sensenbrenner is on. He has almost certainly known for the last 2 years.

Nope, as pointed out, the NSA revealed this information very selectively, the committee did not know the extent of it. Didn't you hear about Clapper actually lying to committees when questioned about it?

I could continue on and on, but what is the point of it? The fact is, that the outrage by the neo-cons, is just another made up garbage.

It is, you made it up. There is no outrage from the neo-cons, only from the civil libertarians. You lumping the two together just shows your ignorance. You might as well stop now.

However, this one has backing with far left, and Libertarians, all of whom have NO idea of what is really going on.

I don't really know what you're trying to say, here.

I mean YOU have ma

Go google for this. Then pull up the links:
Ann Coulter did not object to the news about NSA phone snooping on principle, but does have a problem with it under this particular president.

Republican Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner of Wisconsin asked: “How could the phone records of so many innocent Americans be relevant to an authorized investigation as required by the Act?” In a separate newspaper column, Sensenbrenner went further, claiming the administration was abusing the law.
that piece of trash sat on Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security (Chairman) when all of this went down. He was right in the MIDST of it all, and then claims that he knew nothing about it, while claiming O is behind this.

On Sunday, the Republican senator and libertarian firebrand from Kentucky declared that he planned to file a class action lawsuit against the Obama administration, claiming the NSA surveillance programs that intercept internet communications (for supposedly foreign targets) and sweep up the phone records of Americans are "unconstitutional."
That Piece of Trash sits on Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs (starting 2011). IOW, the senate version of what Sensenbrenner is on. He has almost certainly known for the last 2 years.

I could continue on and on, but what is the point of it? The fact is, that the outrage by the neo-cons, is just another made up garbage. However, this one has backing with far left, and Libertarians, all of whom have NO idea of what is really going on. I mean YOU have made a number of accusations, yet, you are showing no proof of it.

Simple question, did I, or did I not write this?: "The police call transcript and map are helpful, as is various aspects of the other material.

The top two links in my second post to you make much of the previous post reasonably clear. My suggestion is to open the map in one web browser, and the transcript in another, and simply read.

The racial slur used by Martin? Shown in the third link which shows that it was testified to in open court by the woman he was speaking to on the phone during the incident.

Witness: Trayvon Called George Zimmerman A ‘Creepy-A**,’ ‘White, Kill-My-Neighbors Cracker’

From the police call, Martin was ahead of Zimmerman and had disappeared. From the map it is clear that Martin could have continued to his home if he didn't want a confrontation. He didn't do that. Why? Maybe his interest in martial arts fighting, fight club like activities, drug use, burglaries, and other activities might indicate the trajectory he was on, figuratively which acted out literally?

The rest of the links tend to show the prosecution's case falling apart. Even their own witnesses are undermining it. Many of the witnesses are providing evidence in Zimmerman's favor, although not all. And that isn't addressing some of the prosecution's questionable behavior before the trial.

What the jury will do is the biggest mystery here.

Your view about "insurmountable barriers" is interesting. Sometimes one's political views form the basis for that, and no amount of evidence helps.

Here you go, knock yourself out. The police call transcript and map are helpful, as is various aspects of the other material.

Map and timeline of incident

Trayvon Martin shooting death -- initial police reports and '911' call transcript

Witness: Trayvon Called George Zimmerman A ‘Creepy-A**,’ ‘White, Kill-My-Neighbors Cracker’

Zimmerman trial blockbuster — Eyewitness says Trayvon on top punching Mixed Martial Arts style
Zimmerman Trial Day 5 – Analysis & Video – State’s own witnesses undercut theory of guilt
Zimmerman Trial Day 6 – Analysis & Video – State’s witness Chris Serino seriously undermines charge
Zimmerman Update Exclusive — Mid-Day 8 — State Wins Evidentiary Battle, Loses Testimony War
Zimmerman Case: Experts Call State’s Scream Claims “Absurd” “Ridiculous” and “Imaginary Stuff”
Zimmerman Prosecution’s Voice Expert admits: “This is not really good evidence”

GMA Shows Exclusive Images Of George Zimmerman’s Head Injuries From Night Of Trayvon’s Death
Autopsy results show Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knuckles

Trayvon Martin's legal troubles reportedly covered up by police
Has State Opened Door to Defense Introducing Martin Fight Video?
Zimmerman judge excludes Trayvon Martin fighting, social media and marijuana use

Lest we forget: NBC News Apologizes for Editing George Zimmerman's 911 Call (Which falsely mad Zimmerman appear to be racist.)

Zimmerman Case: The Five Principles of the Law of Self Defense

Your view about "insurmountable barriers" is interesting. Sometimes one's political views form the basis for that, and no amount of evidence helps.

Here you go, knock yourself out. The police call transcript and map are helpful, as is various aspects of the other material.

Map and timeline of incident

Trayvon Martin shooting death -- initial police reports and '911' call transcript

Witness: Trayvon Called George Zimmerman A ‘Creepy-A**,’ ‘White, Kill-My-Neighbors Cracker’

Zimmerman trial blockbuster — Eyewitness says Trayvon on top punching Mixed Martial Arts style
Zimmerman Trial Day 5 – Analysis & Video – State’s own witnesses undercut theory of guilt
Zimmerman Trial Day 6 – Analysis & Video – State’s witness Chris Serino seriously undermines charge
Zimmerman Update Exclusive — Mid-Day 8 — State Wins Evidentiary Battle, Loses Testimony War
Zimmerman Case: Experts Call State’s Scream Claims “Absurd” “Ridiculous” and “Imaginary Stuff”
Zimmerman Prosecution’s Voice Expert admits: “This is not really good evidence”

GMA Shows Exclusive Images Of George Zimmerman’s Head Injuries From Night Of Trayvon’s Death
Autopsy results show Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knuckles

Trayvon Martin's legal troubles reportedly covered up by police
Has State Opened Door to Defense Introducing Martin Fight Video?
Zimmerman judge excludes Trayvon Martin fighting, social media and marijuana use

Lest we forget: NBC News Apologizes for Editing George Zimmerman's 911 Call (Which falsely mad Zimmerman appear to be racist.)

Zimmerman Case: The Five Principles of the Law of Self Defense

Martin had broken contact with Zimmerman while Zimmerman was on the phone to the police. Zimmerman had agreed to meet the police that were dispatched to the site and was on his way when Martin confronted and assaulted Zimmerman. Martin had previous used a racial slur to describe Zimmerman. It was Martin's choice to confront Zimmerman. Since he was ahead of Zimmerman, Martin could have continued on his way to his house instead of confronting Zimmerman.

Witness: Trayvon Called George Zimmerman A ‘Creepy-A**,’ ‘White, Kill-My-Neighbors Cracker’
Zimmerman trial blockbuster — Eyewitness says Trayvon on top punching Mixed Martial Arts style

MARTIN WAS NOT WALKING AROUND IN A PLACE WHERE HE SHOULD NOT BE.

Martin was behaving in a way that a neighborhood watch volunteer (Zimmerman) found to be suspicious, which caused him to call the police, and agreed to meet the dispatched officers when they arrived. Martin described Zimmerman with a racial slur, then confronted and attacked Zimmerman.

Witness: Trayvon Called George Zimmerman A ‘Creepy-A**,’ ‘White, Kill-My-Neighbors Cracker’
Zimmerman trial blockbuster — Eyewitness says Trayvon on top punching Mixed Martial Arts style

But Zimmerman was armed and deliberately sought a confrontation with him, not the other way around.

No, what Zimmerman did was observe Martin from a distance and call the police, he didn't seek to confront Martin. It was Martin that described Zimmerman with a racial slur, confronted and attacked Zimmerman.

Witness: Trayvon Called George Zimmerman A ‘Creepy-A**,’ ‘White, Kill-My-Neighbors Cracker’
Zimmerman trial blockbuster — Eyewitness says Trayvon on top punching Mixed Martial Arts style

You're right, Martin wasn't a perfect angel.

Has State Opened Door to Defense Introducing Martin Fight Video?
Zimmerman judge excludes Trayvon Martin fighting, social media and marijuana use

From what I've read, it corresponds to the 911 transcript. The operator tried to get him to back off.

I think you need to reread that transcript again. Zimmerman had agreed to meet the police officers that had been dispatched to the site. Martin confronted and assaulted Zimmerman after that. Since he was ahead of Zimmerman and on his way home, if Marin had continued on his way he would have been home instead of assaulting Zimmerman, which led to his being shot.

Map and timeline of incident

Trayvon Martin shooting death -- initial police reports and '911' call transcript

Dispatcher: Are you following him? [2:24]

Zimmerman: Yeah. [2:25]

Dispatcher:OK.We don’t need you to do that. [2:26]

Zimmerman: OK. [2:28] (wind noises heard)

Dispatcher:Alright, sir, what is your name? [2:34]

Zimmerman:George. He ran.

Dispatcher:Alright, George, what’s your last name?

Zimmerman: Zimmerman.

...

Dispatcher: Alright, George, we do have them on the way. Do you want to meet with the officer when they get out there?

Zimmerman: Yeah.

Dispatcher: Alright, where are you going to meet with them at?

Zimmerman: Um, if they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the clubhouse and, uh, straight past the clubhouse and make a left and then they go past the mailboxes you’ll see my truck. [3:10]

...

Dispatcher: OK, do you just want to meet with them at the mailboxes then? [3:42]

Zimmerman: Yeah, that’s fine. [3:43]

...

Dispatcher: OK, no problem. I’ll let them know to call you when they’re in the area. [4:02]

Zimmerman:Thanks.

Dispatcher: You’re welcome.

Call ends 4:07

The trial seems to be going strongly in Zimmerman's favor, of course juries are unpredictable.

Witness: Trayvon Called George Zimmerman A ‘Creepy-A**,’ ‘White, Kill-My-Neighbors Cracker’

Zimmerman trial blockbuster — Eyewitness says Trayvon on top punching Mixed Martial Arts style
Zimmerman Trial Day 5 – Analysis & Video – State’s own witnesses undercut theory of guilt
Zimmerman Trial Day 6 – Analysis & Video – State’s witness Chris Serino seriously undermines charge
Zimmerman Update Exclusive — Mid-Day 8 — State Wins Evidentiary Battle, Loses Testimony War

Has State Opened Door to Defense Introducing Martin Fight Video?
Zimmerman judge excludes Trayvon Martin fighting, social media and marijuana use

Zimmerman Case: The Five Principles of the Law of Self Defense

Lest we forget:

Apparently, Crawford was an industrial engineer for GE and a KKK member -- which just makes it all that much weirder that they'd try to sell it to Jewish organizations.

Maybe, maybe not.

Klan members are able to prioritize their hate to suit their concerns.
David Duke of the KKK hates Jews/Zionists more than blacks
United In Hate? Fmr. KKK Leader David Duke Endorses Black Anti-Zionist For Congress

There are many Muslims in the United States as recent immigrants. As Klan members they could be expressing the traditional Klan hatred towards immigrants. Or maybe the Klan has decided to add a new line item on the hate list. They might have an added incentive since New York was the target of half of the 9/11 attacks, and maybe the 10 year anniversary planted a seed. I doubt that some identifiable group attacking the US would fill the Klan with love for them. After all, in the Klan's eyes, Jews may be the hidden cabal controlling the world, but they aren't openly killing Americans by the thousands. There was also the "Ground Zero mosque" controversy. I expect more will come out at the trial.

At first, the Ku Klux Klan focused its anger and violence on African-Americans, on white Americans who stood up for them, and against the federal government which supported their rights. Subsequent incarnations of the Klan, which typically emerged in times of rapid social change, added more categories to its enemies list, including Jews, Catholics (less so after the 1970s), homosexuals, and different groups of immigrants. -- more

They were probably just broke and got solicited by undercover FBI goons to make a "terrorist" plot.

Looks like they both had jobs.

KKK Member Tried to Sell X-Ray Weapon to Kill ‘Israel’s Enemies’

The FBI charged Glendon Scott Crawford, 49, who is an industrial mechanic with General Electric in Schenectady, and alleged co-conspirator Eric J. Feight, 54, who works for an electronics company in Columbia County, with material support to terrorists, including use of a weapon of mass destruction.

Crawford told undercover FBI agents dujring a year-long investigation that he is “a member of the Ku Klux Klan, specifically, the United Northern & Southern Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.” -- more

Given that the KKK tends to hate Jews as much, or in some cases more than blacks, you have to wonder if they really intended to benefit Jews? It seems unlikely. Perhaps they intended to sell them sabotaged devices, or would turn one on them after taking their money. Or maybe their thinking was that it would in some manner discredit Jews generally if an anti-Muslim plot that could be linked to some Jewish people or organizations was found out by authorities. Hard to say. Very strange though. I certainly wouldn't expect genuine racist Klan members to willingly advance the interests of Jews.

David Duke of the KKK hates Jews/Zionists more than blacks
United In Hate? Fmr. KKK Leader David Duke Endorses Black Anti-Zionist For Congress

I don't really think so myself. Efficiency is the key thing to making "stuff" more affordable and therefore more ubiquitous. For example, efficiencies in semiconductor fabrication enabled personal computers to be affordable by the average joe, even really poor people, whereas it used to be only the very rich owned them. The same thing can be said for cars and Ford's original Model T.

One key part of this is economies of scale, which means you need to sell large quantities of something in order for it to be affordable by the masses. And subsequently, a key part of that is marketing. Marketing is expensive as hell, and goes into the cost of those goods. If big data makes marketing cheaper, then that savings will eventually (though not immediately) make its way to joe sixpack.

So yes, you as the producer of that data DO benefit, just the benefit isn't obvious.

For another perspective on that, you ought to read Bestiat's parable of the broken window. Basically, when you can save money on an expense, then that money can go towards something more useful elsewhere.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window

This is exactly how the poor become wealthy. In spite of popular claim, the poor are in fact wealthier than they have ever been. Not by a little, but by a lot. Don't confuse money and income with wealth. By that I mean like what I stated above. It used to be that only the very rich owned cars, later TV's, and then later personal computers, later mobile phones (remember when car phones were neat?). A rich person from yesterday would be envious of the wealth that a poor person has today.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/john-stossel-on-the-poor-americas-poor-live-better-than-most-have-lived-through-history/

TL;DR and summary: I have a hard time seeing big data as being a scam, but rather as being a benefit. You may lose a bit of privacy, but I don't think it's enough to satisfy say a nosy neighbor. And before the accusations fly; no, I'm not a paid shill. Hell, I wish I were, because then I could get paid to muse about something I already believed in anyways.

Now we're changing it again. First it's "bludgeoning" then it's knives.

The reason deaths are low is because trauma care is so much better.

A more illuminating statistic is the number of people hit by bullets. That number is up by >30% over the same period that you cite.

Interesting that you cite Politifact. Do you know that today a study was published where Politifact evaluated the statements of Republicans and Democrats and found that Republican elected officials were three times more likely to lie? We're talking about your Politifact here, so it must be true, right?

I know, you don't believe me:

http://www.mediaite.com/online/politifact-says-republicans-lie-three-times-more-often-than-democrats-according-to-new-study/

by 'from a distance' I think I mean the same thing as you mean by 'quite openly' : ) Santorum can say racist stuff all day, but didn't get in trouble until that one time where he explicitly said 'black people' then tried to cover it up by claiming he said 'blah people'. Gingrich and Trump never used the 'N' word, so they're okay too. The birther thing was of course mired in racism. If John McCain was latino and democrat, there certainly would've been more questions about his being born in Panama. This was blanketed as a concern for upholding the constitution, which is why I say 'at a distance'.

Unfortunately, the cost of that security can cost more than the president's annual salary. http://www.mediaite.com/tv/joe-bidens-trips-to-europe-cost-how-much/ gives a few examples.

But, he is not American and his company is Manx.

Bah... an insignificant detail

Besides, even better: no due process is required to send a drone after him

Citation provided, both with video of the most notable incident.

> Sadly, I get better news from CNN.com.

Okay, see this: CNN Anchor Asks Bill Nye If Global Warming Had Anything To Do With A Near-Earth Asteroid.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-anchor-asks-bill-nye-if-global-warming-had-anything-to-do-with-a-near-earth-asteroid/

Hi have no problem with the idea of eating horse meat, but I'd like to know in advance. Advertising your horse burgers as having '100% beef' is hardly fair warning.

All our horses are 100% horse-fed for that double-horse "juiced-in" goodness, and Anthony Bourdain approves, and later on joined the Herd.

I grew up in Cook County Illinois (Chicago area), and I've had dead relatives "vote". I've seen busloads of people who obviously didn't live in the precinct dumped at my local polling place to "vote".

Obama voted in Chicago and even he had to show an ID. http://www.mediaite.com/online/why-president-obama-had-to-show-photo-i-d-while-voting-early/. Meanwhile claims of people being bussed into precincts have never been confirmed. Almost every single claim of them has involved people simply not realizing how large or diverse their local area is.

Yes, ballot stuffing occurs. And yes absentee ballot occurs (all the freaking time, and this is how dead people "vote"). But actual in person voter fraud is vanishing rare. There are literally on the order of under a hundred such cases a year. In person voter fraud is both inefficient (you need actual people to show up) and easy to get caught at (by accidentally being recognized or trying to vote for someone who already exists) and you can't get more than a single extra vote per a person at a single voting location because if one does the risk will go up massively. If you want to do something, deal with actual threats: absentee voter fraud and machine tampering. Claims of in person voter fraud are simply not born out.

Given this situation, claims of in person voter fraud are really just what is being claimed here: excuses for voter suppression.

I never understood that Georgia thing. Putin schueduled it right during the opening of the 2008 Olympics, when the world's attention was turned elsewhere. I in fact remember footage of Putin whispering in GW Bush's ear in the viewing stands. we can guess what that was about.

Oh wait, reality is better than guessing:

http://www.mediaite.com/print/president-bush-says-he-called-putin-cold-blooded-had-dog-size-trash-talk/

look, if the USA said the residents of Pinar del Rio or Camaguey in Cuba were complaining about oppression from Havana, and so the USA invaded Cuba and carved it up into ministates that no one else in the world recognized, the world would still be screaming about it to this very day.

But there seems to be some sort of world agreement to hush the whole thing up. It's outrageous, it's naked Russian Imperialism straight out of the 19th century, and the world hardly fluttered. I don't get it.

I wonder how large this database was compared to Romney's Orca. http://washingtonexaminer.com/stunned-romney-supporters-struggle-to-explain-defeat/article/2512861#.UJqIxRh8zOU The article said the system crashed. I'm pretty sure that's the system Karl Rove was looking at when he was on Fox News trying to rebut their analysts' projection of an Obama victory in Ohio. http://www.mediaite.com/tv/karl-rove-causes-fox-news-chaos-by-challenging-obama-victory-projection/

A number of people have said that.

For example,

Ben Stein

Paul Krugman many times

Please show me your Nobel Prize in Economics if you disagree.

The top 1% of incomes earn 20% of all income and pay 40% of all COLLECTED income taxes.

Yes, everyone learned in elementary school that 15% of 20 million is greater than 25% of 100000. So what? Oh you mean that you think it's fair if someone makes $20 million and pays a lower tax rate than most people, because they paid more actual dollars. The percent is the only measure of fairness. Don't insult our intelligence.

Nice editing there. What Obama actually said was "...the next president, the next vice president of the United States of America, Joe Biden." Mediaite's clip from Fox News, of all places.

I don't think mindless greed is much a problem with him.

********* sig: If you don't like the law, get filthy stinking rich, and buy a better one.

Your sig is hilarious is this context.

I'm sure the greed of Mitt and his friends is anything but "mindless". If he's got nothing to hide, he should release more than his 2010 tax returns (and 2011 estimate). Hell, his father released 12 years of tax returns when he ran for Governor of Michigan.

Perhaps you should read the NYT and Vanity Fair articles and then wonder how much he could possibly care about middle-class and poor people instead of the rich - and those other people known as corporations. They've had 12 years of the lowest personal and corporate tax rates in history and have so far failed to fulfill their self-anointed roles as "job creators", yet (amazingly) have done really, really well for themselves and their personal wealth. Sure, perhaps more tax cuts will help - them.

Republicans have publicly stated that their #1 priority is removing President Obama from office.

...asked him if he stands by his previous statement that “the single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term President.” [Republican Senator] McConnell confirmed that his goal remains unchanged.

I believe they're willing to purposely tank the economy to achieve that end. The Tea Party Nation even urges business owners to pledge to *not* hire anyone in order to hurt Obama:

I, an American small business owner, part of the class that produces the vast majority of real, wealth producing jobs in this country, hereby resolve that I will not hire a single person until this war against business and my country is stopped.

While both parties are far from perfect, I'm constantly amazed how people who are *not* white, rich, straight men think the Republican party actually cares about them.

Cheers.

I think Ted Nugent would disagree. He would shoot you, the old lion, the new lion, and mount all your heads in his trophy room.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/ted-nugent-obama-vile-and-evil-voters-should-chop-democrats-heads-off-in-november/

I base it mostly on the fact that the people in charge did it more than once, and as far as I can tell, the same the same people are still in charge, despite exchanging their "Hi I'm Bob!" stickers for "Hi I'm Frank!" ones.

I'm still waiting for my Habeas corpus back from after 9/11: http://www.aclu.org/pdfs/safefree/patriot_report_20090310.pdf

While we are at it, I'd like the ability to make private phone calls again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A

I'd also prefer U.S. citizens get tried and convicted before they are killed: http://www.mediaite.com/online/us-citizen-and-top-terrorist-suspect-anwar-al-awlaki-killed-in-drone-attack/

I do get why Obama failed to deliver on his Guantanamo Bay closure campaign promise: extraterritoriality buys you the ability to not enforce constitutional provisions for the prisoners. Not really sure how I feel about that one.

-- Terry

Conservatives are evil. Don't be one.

http://hardincountyconservatives.blogspot.com/2012/05/greg-abbott-wins-appeal-tx-ban-on.html

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110614035520AApWGtA

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-02-13/news/31054067_1_professors-obscenity-first-bill

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/the-rachel-maddow-show/43388331#43388331

http://www.mediaite.com/online/michelle-bachmann-signs-social-conservative-pro-marriage-pledge-that-also-bans-porn/

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/rick-santorum-wants-ban-hardcore-pornography-222833811.html

http://www.newsinenglish.no/2012/05/07/conservatives-back-ban-on-begging/

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2010/11/wyomings_self-described_conser.html

http://stfuconservatives.net/post/19427221927

There are many references to the studies.

And your own technique is a very common one,

You are right. Debunking is a common technique.

my assertion and defense of the very groups and powerful, wealthy people advocating depopulation makes your own agenda questionable to an objective observer.

I'm really curious what you would guess my agenda is...

No, seriously. Let me know.

the first quote starts on the bottom of page 21,

Now that gives it the missing context. See, you put it into a context of depopulation, but the entire chapter is about population growth, and on p. 22 it puts the necessary depth into the debate by pointing out that the relationship is varied and in some countries the per-capita emissions are even falling.

If you read the entire report - or just a few chapters - it doesn't seem to support your claim that some mysterious global elite is planning to kill most of the world population in the slightest. It's a calm review of what we know about the relationship between various factors such as population, consumption, transporation, energy consumption, etc.

As for Ted Turner's quote, it (along with the entire context and his views) was first published in an interview given in 1996 to the magazine of the American conservation organisation The Audubon Society

The reference is all over the net. The Audubon Magazine website itself doesn't seem to know about it: http://www.audubonmagazine.org/search/node/ted%20turner

Quotes get made up all the time, and once enough people are quoting it, everyone thinks it's real. There are a nice number of examples for this effect, and too few journalists who actually check the sources. In fact, one of the pet /. topics has an example: The estimate for losses to movie "piracy" are such a thing. Someone once made up a number, and that number has been quoted and re-quoted ever since, with everyone referencing someone else who only got it somewhere else, until it has so many references that it seems real.

I'm serious, I've tried to find it. Now the funny thing is - I'm not alone. Search for "interview" in the comments here:
http://www.mediaite.com/online/ted-turner-bashes-tea-party-calling-them-mean-spirited/
Someone else is asking some other one else the same question I am - and gets no reply.

So, in the language of the IntarWeb: "Pics or it didn't happen".

And yes, the burden of proof lies with you. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I am highly sceptical, but I can be convinced. I took a few months to make up my mind about 9/11, for example. I used to doubt that ECHOLON was real, but as more and more evidence has surfaced that I was wrong, I've come around.

But depopulation on a massive scale? And advocated by the very people who have the most to lose from any major socio-political change? That's a crackpot theory and those spreading it are frauds and liars. And I say that in these clear words because I'm not on TV like Pen & Teller and thus I can say what I believe.

Feedbacks are a consequence of the forcing. Both should be counted. Also, keep in mind that 2C is the difference between a glacial and interglacial period - not insignificant. Human influence is both positive (greenhouse gasses) and negative (aerosols). Damn I hope you read through this post - it took way too long to compile :)

Granted, they are not a coherent movement so I can't say that all skeptics have predicted global cooling. The leaders of the movement who are willing to predict anything at all have predicted or promoted global cooling. They are right of course. If CO2 is not a major driver then global cooling has indeed been imminent for the last couple decades. Here is the solar output since 1985: http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/sidc-ssn/mean:138/from:1985

Here are examples from leaders of the skeptic movement predicting or promoting global cooling:

Joseph D'Aleo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_D'Aleo

John McLean: http://www.skepticalscience.com/mclean-exaggerating-natural-cycles.html

Christopher Monckton: http://icecap.us/images/uploads/monckton-global_warming_has_stopped.pdf

Anthony Watts: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22global+cooling%22+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwattsupwiththat.com

Piers Corbyn: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/global-warming-skeptic-predicts-brutal-winter-warns-you-aint-seen-nothing-yet/

James Dellingpole: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100055500/global-cooling-and-the-new-world-order/

Don Easterbrook: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/12/29/don-easterbrooks-agu-paper-on-potential-global-cooling/

Henrik Svensmark http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/09/10/svensmark-global-warming-stopped-and-a-cooling-is-beginning-enjoy-global-warming-while-it-lasts/

David Rose: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2093264/Forget-global-warming--Cycle-25-need-worry-NASA-scientists-right-Thames-freezing-again.html

Alan Caruba, "An Icy End for Mankind?" Science and Environmental Policy Project, November 26, 2005; and Robert W. Felix, "Not by Fire, But by Ice: The Next Ice Age Now," Bellevue, WA: Sugarhouse Publishing.

Lawrence Solomon: http://network.nationalpost.com/NP/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2010/05/03/lawrence-solomon-arctic-ice-sets-records-in-april-could-auger-global-cooling.aspx

The only notable people missing are McIntyre, McKitrick, Spencer, and Lindzen. None of these people are willing or able to make predictions.

My prediction? We've just had the hottest La Nina on record - hotter even than all but one of the El Nino's of the previous century. La Nina's are cooler part of the ENSO. ENSO neutral 2010 was tied for hottest year on record. Even a small El Nino (warm part of ENSO) will push us into the hottest year on record. So the hottest year on record will come with the next El Nino. Probably within 2 years?

Oh yes and thank god Ron Paul Mr. Get Govt Out Of Our Lives thinks that it's OK and in fact right to FORCE a woman to undergo an UNEEDED ultrasound before she can have an abortion even if her doctor thinks it's not a good idea for her and even if she doesn't want to. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002161152

Lets get govt off our backs and into our beds, shall we? Vote Ron Paul!

Yeah, I hate to be the one to break this to you but Ron Paul is a total fraud. He wants HIS VERSION of Big Government rammed right up every woman's body.

And of course he's was a massive racist, opposed as he is to the 1964 civil right's legislation that said among other things that blacks could drink out of the same drinking fountains as whites, could marry whites, couldn't be discriminated against in hiring and housing etc etc you know, all the basics of a civil society....

Oh and I think there was something in that legislation that said the government couldn't refer to them in legislation as 40 swiggin' porch monkey niggers who want our white women too.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/ron-paul-tells-cnns-candy-crowley-civil-rights-act-destroyed-privacy/

Ron Paul is a

homophobic

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racist,

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/President/2011/1229/Racist-newsletter-timeline-What-Ron-Paul-has-said

http://www.towleroad.com/2011/12/ron-pauls-homophobia-in-context.html

sexist

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/275198/20120102/ron-paul-laws-against-sexual-harassment-s.htm

Bible thumping

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http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2011/08/29/ron-paul-doesnt-accept-evolution-as-a-theory/

piece of fucking shit dressed up as "a man of principle" and his schtick is bought only by infinitely gullible, extremely naive people who are too stupid to use Google and, of course, other racist, sexist homophobic Bible thumpers of which there are, it goes without saying, entirely too many .

Oh and one more thing. He's never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever going to be the President of the United States of America.

So be sure to write-in vote for Ron Paul, because we need as many stupid people to throw away their votes as possible !

That alone would cause a shift in the sort of people who want to be politicians because it would remove a lot of the profit motive.

Yeah, that's pretty much the only reason why Newt Gingrich even pretends to run for president; if he doesn't make a realistic campaign every few years, he won't get as much donor money.

The Supreme Court has not definitively settled the issue. In Hamdi it ruled that authorization to use military force grants power to detain citizens captured on a foreign battlefield. Padilla, which dealt with a U.S. citizen captured in the U.S., was resolved by his indictment and conviction before the Supreme Court can rule on the issue. Thus, whether the government can detain a U.S. citizen captured on U.S. soil is unsettled as a national question.

Don't worry. President Gingrich will happily ignore the decision and detain them anyways!

I wrote an article about the impact of Kodak on Rochester, New York, the city it built. Some interesting context about how technology built a city - twice.

Clearly the "Occupy" meme is being abused now.

Come on, clearly you don't know what occupy is about.

I mean, Obama and Bernanke as part of the 99%? Is there anybody who believes this nonsense?

If you look for somebody who is hated by the 1% and unfairly treated and ignored by the media, look at Ron Paul.

Perhaps a bit of mental clouding is to be expected among individuals who run a weapon system "allowing U.S. forces to attack targets and spy on its foes without risking American lives"—apparently by killing them. Doublethink and duckspeak aren't conducive to organizational efficiency...but that's the price you have to pay to keep the terrorists from winning.

Uh, anybody who joins the military should know that their primary function is killing people, or making other people more effective at killing people, or otherwise helping to kill people. I'm not sure how that results in mental clouding - pretty smart people have been killing each other since the dawn of time.

And inefficient organizations are hardly something unique to the military. When people find a mistake in their records how many people drop what they're doing and call the corporate auditing group to tell them about it, versus just fixing it and hoping it never gets noticed? The only thing unique to the military is that organizational foul-ups can result in the wrong people getting killed.

So apparently Wired had the story in the first place, and now they have a second story reporting that the Air Force never knew about the problem until reading about it in their first story? There are two serious problems here.

Not if you bothered to read the article. Here is the first paragraph:

Officials at Creech Air Force Base in Nevada knew for two weeks about a virus infecting the drone “cockpits” there. But they kept the information about the infection to themselves — leaving the unit that’s supposed to serve as the Air Force’s cybersecurity specialists in the dark. The network defenders at the 24th Air Force learned of the virus by reading about it in Danger Room.

Some people in the Air Force knew, but they did not notify their own network security organization. If true, then that is irresponsible behavior by Air Force personnel, and something we should thank Wired for reporting.

Having said that, I also have to admit that I'm confused about who knew what, and who was denied information. The original Wired story speaks of efforts to eradicate the malware:

“We keep wiping it off, and it keeps coming back,” says a source familiar with the network infection, one of three that told Danger Room about the virus. “We think it’s benign. But we just don’t know.”

One can only hope that the new bunch of security people who just found out about the malware via the Wired article are more competent than the first ones, who leaked the information to Wired. Was the leak itself irresponsible? I truly can't tell: when incompetence in handling such deadly weapons reaches such empyrean altitudes ...my mind boggles. Clearly, no one connected with this weapons system knows what they are doing, nor do they seem overly concerned.

Perhaps a bit of mental clouding is to be expected among individuals who run a weapon system "allowing U.S. forces to attack targets and spy on its foes without risking American lives"—apparently by killing them. Doublethink and duckspeak aren't conducive to organizational efficiency...but that's the price you have to pay to keep the terrorists from winning.

The problem you have here is that you're working with an extremely simple model - 2 goods, one factor of production. The world is an exceedingly complex place.

- I am trying to bring a point across.

Of-course world is complex, but the basic interaction in trade remains the same: I want YOU to produce something that is valuable in trade between YOU and ANY market participant.

It does not have to be me. But if I produce something and everybody else produces something, then by using money we just allow ourselves to exchange the goods we produce.

If HALF of the people produce and HALF of the people don't produce, I don't want to SHARE the SAME MONEY with them.

Do you understand? Sharing currency with people who use it by borrowing/printing, but who do not produce anything useful in the market is like giving your stuff away for free, and why would I want to do that? I just want to go to a vacation then instead of keeping up the work.

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This idiot - Roseanne Barr wants to kill anybody who makes over $100,000,000/year if they don't GIVE UP anything over that.

First she'd put them into 'reeducation camps' of-course. My great-grandfather went through a system like that. He was a farmer in Ukraine and had a bunch of kids (many kids) and he was 'raskulachen' - his farm was stolen from him by the Soviet gov't in 1930s. They were sent in a train (where they had to stand all the way, because there was no space in it) to Kazakhstan from Ukraine. His wife and half of the kids died in the road. In Kazakhstan he restarted the farm again, and it was taken away from him AGAIN in fifties! Because he was AGAIN doing BETTER than the collective farms around him in Kazakhstan. That's just one story. He didn't get shot by the way, I don't know why. Millions did.

She wants guillotine for those who won't give up more than $100,000,000/year. WHY WORK then once you already have the $100,000,000/year? OK, anybody who owns a company that can make him that money should shut down the factory once he reaches the yearly goal that Roseanne before him and then go to a vacation for the rest of the year. What would that do to the economy?

But that's just a STUPID person talking. Bet she makes just a little under that, but the point is that her message - it's designed to incite VIOLENCE and it will hurt the economy.

If those idiots protesters wanted to do something REAL, they should have gone to all the Federal Reserve Banks in all the cities.

THAT'S where shit is really happening. That's who is instrumental in destroying the economy and currency and financing all these wars and all these banks and making the people poor in the process.

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The rest of your remarks are way off target, you may want to check my journal. I KNOW that Asia and China in particular are way more capitalist than anybody else on the planet today.

I KNOW that US GDP is cooked, especially given how cooked the CPI numbers are, so the deflater is fake. The GDP has been falling by 10% annually for 15 years at least now.

The ONLY reason that US labor force is so expensive is GOVERNMENT intervention into the economy:

Wars, SS, Medicare, minimum wage, civil rights (in reality entitlements and obligations, not rights), all the labor laws. Dep't of energy, education, agriculture, small business, transportation, FDIC, FDA, EPA, FAA, FCC, FHA, Freddie/Fannie, CIA, FBI etc.etc., these are all the reasons that US labor is uncompetitive and too expensive.

It's not about wages, it's about all of the expensive litigation that is forced upon the employers that lose their rights at the moment they hire anybody in USA. Nobody should hire in USA, this is the stupidest thing to do - to hire in USA. You lose all of your rights if you do this. They will take you through the court system, you'll pay huge fines and lawyer fees, everything, because you do not

I found this much more offensive (from the Times of London, opened by News Corp.): http://static01.mediaite.com/med/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/politicalcartoon.jpg

I'd say that's perspicacious, but...
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/christiane-amanpour-uses-such-a-fancy-word-abc-has-to-define-it-in-a-graphic/
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So then, it may still be gay if its in a three way.

Amazon is trying to speed the adoption of the Kindles. If people are slow to flock to the device the reason is the high prices the publishers cling to.

Okay, I agree e-book prices are set artificially high. But where, exactly, did the rest of this come from? The Kindle 3 is Amazon's best-selling item ever - more people bought it than bought the best-selling Harry Potter tome. And we've all read the news that Amazon's e-books are already outselling hardcover books, which isn't too shabby given the few years Kindle has even existed.

And while I am happy there are competing products out there... I see a lot of Kindles on the train, and quite a few iPads (although fewer iPads than Kindles I'd guess). If there are riders with Nooks and Sony Readers, they're keeping them well-hidden. So it seems unlikely the article was drawing a more narrow distinction, say between the Kindle and some hypothetical better-selling competitor.

You're just taking apart my arguments but it fails to demonstrate that MMfA is justified in making them. You can't find any articles that have no explanations or refutations attached to them? Have you read any of the articles? Here's another one without any explanation whatsoever attached to it: Beck: "You're About To See This President Start Embracing The Uprisings In This Country".

Still no examples provided.

How many more do you want?!?

And both these are different from attacks on credibility, a perfectly legitimate form of rhetoric where one argues "Beck was wrong about X and Y and Z and P and D and Q, and therefore we ought not to accept that A is true based on his testimony." MM is attacking Beck's credibility, and this is valid.

So because someone reverses their position, very openly, they are no longer correct? Media Matters has tried to pin Glenn when criticizing the Bush and Obama stimulus and bailouts, for once merely implying TARP was good because "it would land the plane in a forest instead of the side of a mountain" even though three days after that statement he very openly and critically opposed it saying it was corrupting and would actually be harmful (A corrective recession is the best cure, etc) - you can Google this for yourself at your own convenience. What about everything they were correct on, since the economy is a fairly objective example, Glenn called the housing bubble and the current gold prices, saying get out of the stock market, attributing it to destruction of the rule of law because of unpredictable changes in regulations, by both Bush and Obama.

Here's another great one from their front page: Beck Follows Goldberg In Cropping Quote About Mussolini, Misattributes It To NY Times yet Media Matters can't seem to cite their own sources correctly, misattributing Neil Cavuto's hour long program to Glenn Beck: Cavuto: "Cut" Blumenthal "a break," he "stumbled," attacks are "nonsense"

Take a more obscure form of taking things out of context and guilt by association: Former Bush Official: Beck Criticism "Absurd" is nonsense because Glenn was one of the Bush administration's harshest critics, over foreign policy, monetary policy, fiscal policy, the PATRIOT act, they can't seem to grasp the fact that he doesn't care about party affiliation.

Perhaps you want to explain away the "Olbermann killed people" quote: Media Matters Gives Glenn Beck’s Co-Hosts The Shirley Sherrod Edited Audio Treatment

For the sake of time I'm not compiling every single error they have ever made, I'm recalling off of memory. Perhaps you want to cite primary sources and specific examples in your own refutations like I at least attempted to do. Unless you're going to follow your own standards I'm done.

The pig was aping the Chinese president this morning with "ching ching chong" bullshit in an attempt to sabotage American diplomacy.

Zenin's reply is perfect, but I will add this false news story that was heavily reported on faux news as yet another example of how they do no fact checking at all, preferring to sensationalize anything that fits their political aims.

As I said before, if faux news is the only "news" you take in, you will not understand the world around you. You will be regularly and routinely lied to and you will not comprehend correctly what is truly happening in the world.

The Royal Botanic Gardens is discovering a small minority of species are "discovered" more than once and genetic sequencing is helping to clear that up. Faux news is reporting that biodiversity is not important because most of the diversity is really false.

The difference here is spin. The Royal Botanic Garden will tend to prefer that we not destroy species. Murdoch and company would prefer that we pay no attention whatsoever to people who are saying that killing off massive quantities of our species from this planet could, in the long term, be very detrimental to life on earth.

I wholly disagree with your statement that what they report is rarely flat-out false and would refer you to any story originated by Breitbart as well as the above link to the Los Angeles Police jet pack purchase.

Not against Obama, but the SC democratic primary was almost certainly the result of Republicans voting for the least appealing candidate. http://www.mediaite.com/tv/former-sc-dem-chair-claims-alvin-greenes-income-more-suspicious-than-vote-numbers/

You are right, of course. It's not that Fox News makes people stupid, it's that stupid people watch Fox News.

Reminds me of a recent Simpsons episode news helicopter for Fox.

Change that to: Not informative and #1 with the uninformed.