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John McCain Working On Legislation For 'a La Carte' TV Channel Packages

An anonymous reader writes "John McCain, Republican Senator for Arizona and former U.S. presidential candidate, is drafting a new bill that would pressure TV providers to allow customers to select and pay for only the channels they want to watch. The bill will also 'bar TV networks from bundling their broadcast stations with cable channels they own during negotiations with the cable companies, according to industry sources. So for example, the Disney Company, which owns both ABC and ESPN, could not force a cable provider to pay for ESPN in order to carry ABC.' Perhaps most importantly, the bill could 'end the sports blackout rule, which prohibits cable companies from carrying a sports event if the game is blacked out on local broadcast television stations.' This would hamstring the ludicrous practice of blacking out TV broadcasts in order to drive fans to buy actual tickets to a game. The cable and satellite TV industry is expected to push back very strongly against the bill."

614 comments

  1. Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wont pass though.

    1. Re:Sounds good. by Kenja · · Score: 5, Funny

      Depends on how it's framed. If they write the bill so it's all about finding out who orders Telemundo so they can be deported I think it would get a lot of support.

      --

      "Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
    2. Re:Sounds good. by Rougement · · Score: 1

      The winged monkeys are being readied as we speak.

    3. Re:Sounds good. by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      oh, B.S.

      Figure out a way to make some fatass executive rich off of it.. THEN it will pass.

    4. Re:Sounds good. by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      As long as it doesn't eliminate the monopoly, it has a good chance, and McCain will have a chance at 2016...

      --
      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    5. Re:Sounds good. by i+kan+reed · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't care if it passes. The fact is that it would be too-little too-late for me to care about television anymore. The advertisements you pay for, the terrible reality television, the death of educational programming, and the underlying vacuousness, even if they were partially caused by "free money" streams from package deals, aren't going to be reversed by suddenly making them fight for the percentage of their audience who will take advantage of this.

      TV is dead, and the small pieces of legitimately good television can be gotten through the internet. It's too late to save cable.

    6. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      McCain will never win after that stunt he pulled in 2008. Had he not flip flopped at the end of the primary he might have won. But at this point all of his credibility is gone, and with it any chance of winning enough independents to win.

    7. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That won't work. I order Telemundo to look at the sweet, sweet latina female figures that grace those airwaves and I am about as citizen-y as they come.

    8. Re:Sounds good. by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Informative

      Bullshit.

      He lost by the time he correct the old bat that claimed obama was a muslim. Even his correct was pandering to the nutbars, the correct correction would have been "No ma'am I don't believe so, nor would that matter in the slightest".

    9. Re:Sounds good. by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

      It's great to see our senior legislators working on optimizing the consumption of Soma by the Betas.

      Much better a use of time and influence than stopping torture in our concentration camps.

      --
      "Flyin' in just a sweet place,
      Never been known to fail..."
    10. Re:Sounds good. by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not likely.

      Chatter amongst the conservative set paints McCain as a RINO (Republican in Name Only) these days, and he's not getting much love from the rank-and-file either.

      Of course he could try, but I doubt he'd get past the primaries, especially with far stronger candidates (e.g. (Rand) Paul, Cruz, Rubio) already both emerging and getting their political 'street cred' going.

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      Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
    11. Re:Sounds good. by jythie · · Score: 1

      Agreed. This is a domain congressional democrats and republicans line up. democrats because they tend to do whatever the media tells them to do, and republicans because anything that gives poor people even a hint of power outside their income is bad.

    12. Re:Sounds good. by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Only one will pay the bills.

      They have their priorities, you know.

      --
      There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
    13. Re:Sounds good. by jbolden · · Score: 2

      In all fairness John McCain has been pretty good on stopping torture. And he'd have an excellent record for a Republican, were it not for having to win a nomination in 2008. I like to give Republicans credit when it is possible, because it is sure rare that it is possible.

    14. Re:Sounds good. by jythie · · Score: 1

      Well, if immigration is the enemy... then that might count as sympathizing and giving comfort, which is treason.

    15. Re:Sounds good. by h4rr4r · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What is really funny is that the only GOPers that could make it to the whitehouse can't make it through the primary.

      This is what the GOP gets for doubling down on the derp.

    16. Re:Sounds good. by MitchDev · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Going moderate is the only chance the GOP really has. The religious and TeaTard extremists that have taken over the party scare the hell out of most Americans, that's how Obama got a 2nd term.

    17. Re:Sounds good. by rickb928 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Some fatass executive will figure out a way to get rich off of it.. THEN it won't matter if it passed."

      There, fixed that for ya.

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      deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
    18. Re:Sounds good. by rickb928 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Right on. JM is a lame duck, though he probably doesn't yet know it.

      He's taking to avoiding the true conservative constituents, however, which is a good plan. He may as well spend the next 3 years in peace and solitude. No point in getting all riled up.

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      deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
    19. Re: Sounds good. by Gilmoure · · Score: 4, Funny

      If McCain had run on a platform of A-La-Carte cable, posted hospital prices and cheap free range waygu beef he'd be president now.

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      I drank what? -- Socrates
    20. Re:Sounds good. by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2

      "Pretty good" if by that, you men rhetorically.

      Functionally, we have more people starving themselves in the Guantanamo protest, than did the notorious Maze prison in the 1980's.

      --
      "Flyin' in just a sweet place,
      Never been known to fail..."
    21. Re:Sounds good. by Penguinisto · · Score: 5, Interesting

      ...and if Hillary Clinton won against Obama in the 2008 primaries instead, would you have said the same thing? After all, that one was fairly close for the longest time, and she would have been Clinton II administration-wise if she had won the job (and if it weren't for her husband's by-then-tarnished reputation, I daresay she would have won the primaries hands-down.)

      Fact is, both parties do the derp factor - big-time. It's even a mainstream formula - you pander to the hard portion of your party during the primaries, then swing back and do your best to pander to everyone else after you get the nomination. If you don't do that, you don't win the primaries.

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      Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
    22. Re: Sounds good. by Gilmoure · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Nope! Only true purity tested candidates should be allowed to run as GOP and everyone else should be labelled soocialist looser pardy. Would make it easier for the 5% true Americans to know how teh vote.

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      I drank what? -- Socrates
    23. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The cable and satellite TV industry is expected to push back very strongly against the bill."

      Bullshit. The Cable and Sat industry are the ones who have been lobbying FOR this type of change. It's the Media companies who are digging in their heels.

    24. Re:Sounds good. by Penguinisto · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Quick - define "moderate" without using your own ideology as a guide, and be intellectually honest when you try.

      Fact is, you cannot do so, and neither can I.

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      Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
    25. Re:Sounds good. by Idbar · · Score: 1

      Why not? I'd love to get only QVC, but I always have to contract Fox, ABC, CBS!

      Nah... Kidding.

    26. Re:Sounds good. by fustakrakich · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Rand Paul? Please... the guy's a complete fruitcake. Right now the numbers say it will be Jeb vs. Hillary. Both have the 'creds' where they are needed most. But as usual, it's best to see who can move the most money. That will decide who wins.

      --
      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    27. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Republican can't "go moderate" because the Democrats are already sitting at "a tad right of moderate". Much like how past the event horizon of a black hole space warps so much that the only direction is down, for the Republicans the only direction the can move is "bat-shit-fucking-insane Right"

    28. Re:Sounds good. by jbolden · · Score: 1

      The USA has been terrible but McCain individually wasn't nearly as bad as most Republicans on the torture issue. On indefinite detention especially of those the army would like to release this is just insane.

    29. Re:Sounds good. by gfxguy · · Score: 1

      I was about to hop in and discuss about whether it was good or bad, if the congress should have that kind of control to legislate such a thing, especially on satelite providers... but I like your response a lot better.

      --
      Stupid sexy Flanders.
    30. Re:Sounds good. by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

      Well, he was tortured.

      But? Memory seems to have faded.

      --
      "Flyin' in just a sweet place,
      Never been known to fail..."
    31. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What you're doing is sometimes known as the "Magical Balance Fairy."

      There's one major party that's locked into deranged derp because they brainwashed their base so badly with superstition and hatred of anyone who isn't a lock-step far-right idiot, that they become enraged when confronted with reality outside the bubble.

      The Republicans need to drive the wackos out if they ever want to win the presidency, but they can't because their brand has been destroyed by the pandering to racists, creationists, global warming deniers, and other lunatics.

      We need a new second party to counterbalance the Democrats, because the Republicans can't while living in a fake-outrage driven bubble.

    32. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I am amused at how RINO is a commonly-expressed acronym in American politics, yet DINO is not. Not only does it reinforce the stereotype of the strictly-regulated lockstep political machine the Republicans have become, wherein any dissenting thought is quickly labeled so it can be shamed with the "RINO" name, but it also helps demolish any lingering illusion of the "big tent" theory the party thinks it's fooling anyone into believing.

    33. Re:Sounds good. by gfxguy · · Score: 1

      I seem to recall executives saying that - the media companies want providers to carry all or nothing. What happens, though, when it's something like Time Warner, who owns, for example, all the Turner networks? It seems like they'd want to keep it as packages.

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      Stupid sexy Flanders.
    34. Re:Sounds good. by 1000101 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Really? I just renewed my DirecTV 2 year contract. I tried really, really hard to 'cut the cord' (or in this case 'ditch the dish') but after careful study, I found with a family of four, including two children, this just won't work. I thought some combination of XBox, Hulu, Netflix, and OTA HDTV would suffice but there is one glaring flaw with this: Ease of Use. See, my wife isn't a techie. She wants to turn on the TV from a remote with one button (which then turns on the stereo, selects the proper input, etc.) and then have a GUIDE for everything she might want to watch right now or record in the future. We have 2 DirecTV HD-DVR's that are on the network, so we can record 4 shows at once (we never do) and watch these shows from any of the other non-DVR's in our house. It is simple. It works. And there isn't a solution available (that I could find) that would aggregate all of the available shows into one, easy to use guide for selections. I do watch sports, and losing those would be the only reason I would potentially not switch if I were single because I wouldn't mind using different systems for different things.

    35. Re:Sounds good. by Qzukk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hell, I'll settle for a party that has an internally consistent platform, instead of one demanding small government while paying billions of dollars to track down and house people for "feeling good". Moderation be damned, I want non-hypocrites so at least I know where I really stand.

      --
      If I have been able to see further than others, it is because I bought a pair of binoculars.
    36. Re:Sounds good. by jamstar7 · · Score: 1

      Depends on how it's framed. If they write the bill so it's all about finding out who orders Telemundo so they can be deported I think it would get a lot of support.

      Especially in Arizona.

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      Understanding the scope of the problem is the first step on the path to true panic.
    37. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And you keep insisting that they're hateful bigots, in your own way fear mongering instead of bringing up valid points.

      Funny how the left screams "fear mongering" at the drop of the hat but they're doing the same exact thing.

      "If the other team wins there will be war and famine and deportation! You must vote for my team! You cannot trust their lies! They're bigots and haters and they want to turn you into slaves ala 1984!! Don't worry about the talk of tyrrany from the other team team (and never mind that we ran on hope and change but we're still as big a police state as ever)... that's all done by the hateful fear mongering bigots from the other side!!!!"

      I don't see the difference.

    38. Re:Sounds good. by nine-times · · Score: 2

      When it does pass, it'll be too little too late. A few years ago, I really wished my cable company would let me subscribe to only the channels I wanted. I thought, "Why should I have to pay for all these channels? Why can't I just pay for the channels I want?"

      Now I think, "Why should I have to pay for a whole channel? Why can't I just pay for the shows I want?"

      But they're already on the verge of missing that boat, too. I'm starting to think, "Why should I have to pay for all these shows? Why can't they just put everything on Netflix?" Strangely, it's circular, since we started at "Why should I pay for a whole big package instead of only paying for what I want?" and by the end of the process I'm heading back towards, "Why should I pay for individual shoes instead of putting them all together in one big package?" The big difference is that now the market expects the "Whole big package" to be around $10-$20 per month instead of $100.

    39. Re:Sounds good. by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      I keep insisting it because it is true. One only need to remember McCain correcting that old bitty when she claimed Obama was an Arab.

      I did not vote for the dems, by the way.

    40. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and if Hillary Clinton won against Obama in the 2008 primaries instead, would you have said the same thing? After all, that one was fairly close for the longest time, and she would have been Clinton II administration-wise if she had won the job (and if it weren't for her husband's by-then-tarnished reputation, I daresay she would have won the primaries hands-down.)

      Fact is, both parties do the derp factor - big-time. It's even a mainstream formula - you pander to the hard portion of your party during the primaries, then swing back and do your best to pander to everyone else after you get the nomination. If you don't do that, you don't win the primaries.

      Why the hell do you even need primaries for ? Let each potential candidate participate and may the better one win the election. In this way you don't need to pander to those retards that compose the GOP's and Democrat's extreme wings.

    41. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I liked McCain back in 2008, but he proved he has no honor when he pandered to wingnuts to try to win the presidency.

      The Republicans need to get rid of the crazies and win over reasonable people if they ever want the presidency again.

      Telling the wingnut talking-heads to fuck off, perhaps in stronger terms than I used, would be a good start, but it's not going to happen because those lunatic commentators are key to winning congressional seats in the regressive states.

      They would rather be marginalized as wackos and continue to win in states with terrible education and high superstition, than get run out of the federal government for a decade while they regroup under more moderate policies.

      Of course if they became a center-right party instead of a totally bonkers far-right anti-scientific party, they'd be indistinguishable from Democrats.

    42. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quick - define "moderate" without using your own ideology as a guide

      Someone who compromises and makes concessions to both parties...

    43. Re:Sounds good. by jamstar7 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I am amused at how RINO is a commonly-expressed acronym in American politics, yet DINO is not. Not only does it reinforce the stereotype of the strictly-regulated lockstep political machine the Republicans have become, wherein any dissenting thought is quickly labeled so it can be shamed with the "RINO" name, but it also helps demolish any lingering illusion of the "big tent" theory the party thinks it's fooling anyone into believing.

      Hell, if you're a Republican (I am) and believe that hurricanes are caused by high barometric pressure (I do) and not gay marriage (I don't), then you, too, are a RINO. If you are a Republican and don't believe that angels counsel Republican candidates for high office (I don't), you are a RINO. If you are a Republican and don't believe that English as spoken in the US can be reduced down to the phrase 'America! FUCK YEAH!!" (I don't), you are a RINO. If you are a Republican who believes that ONLY the Republican Party should hold office now and forever (I don't), then you are a good rank and file member and not a RINO like me.

      Our elected officials have the duty to govern in the interests of the people who elected them, not claim a mandate to neuter the opposition and obstruct anything the Opposition comes up with. Funny how both parties seem to forget that these days.

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      Understanding the scope of the problem is the first step on the path to true panic.
    44. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure if it has one, but it needs some provision for bundling of streaming services. It's wrong that a cable subscriber can pay $12/mo to Showtime and get the cable service and Showtime Anytime and yet cord-cutter can't pay $12/mo for just Showtime Anytime. There needs to be some provision of the bill that bars content providers from providing internet services only to those who purchase the non-internet services. Another absurdity...HBO:Go, which similarly requires a cable/satellite subscription, can be seen on the Roku, but only if you've got a limited few cable providers...most haven't signed up with HBO to allow that access.

      There are a ton of these internet services that are only available to cable subscribers. This bill should include a provision that those services be sold a-la-carte as well.

    45. Re:Sounds good. by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 0

      LMOL- LIVE TV...you can't watch live sporting events over the internet jackass....keep wearing that tin foil hat...

    46. Re:Sounds good. by nabsltd · · Score: 2

      And there isn't a solution available (that I could find) that would aggregate all of the available shows into one, easy to use guide for selections. I do watch sports, and losing those would be the only reason I would potentially not switch if I were single because I wouldn't mind using different systems for different things.

      Depending on how agressive DirecTV pushes the channels to allow more content on its "DirecTV Everywhere" service, that will also make people more resistant to cord cutting.

      Right now, the selection on DirecTV Everywhere is limited for both live and "on demand", but if it expands so that you could have a decent percentage of live programs (for sports, news, etc.) and still have the ability to copy to a device for offline viewing, that would make it quite a deal, since it doesn't have any addtional fees (at least as of right now).

    47. Re:Sounds good. by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Wow dude, just keep believing whatever the establishment tells you.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    48. Re:Sounds good. by Technician · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Tea party lost because nobody likes to face the fact the bills need paid and it is going to cost money to sustain the government handouts. Better to just turn on the printing press and give out more money than meet a budget.

      The flood of extra money makes forign products cheaper, raises housing value, etc. unfortunately there is a known history of those who printed their way out of debt. We seem to be willing to repeat it.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation

      It results in the failure of the value of the currency.
      http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=hyperinflation+history+9+failed+currencies&oq=hyperinflation+failed&gs_l=hp.1.0.0i22i30.135990.138902.2.141440.7.7.0.0.0.0.264.1401.0j4j3.7.0...0.0...1c.1.12.psy-ab.tra6dWZPzH0&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.46340616,d.aWc&fp=f0be7532d0bef9ae&biw=1024&bih=489

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    49. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "anything that gives poor people even a hint of power outside their income is bad."

      Like school vouchers?

    50. Re:Sounds good. by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's one major party that's locked into deranged derp because they brainwashed their base so badly with superstition and hatred of anyone...

      This portion holds perfectly true of both parties. Let me complete your sentence and see for yourself: ...who differs with them on a given issue.

      I have seen this first-hand - I live in Portland, and have seen this on both sides. I'll explain:

      Side the first: I have personally watched drivers giving the middle finger, and occasionally hurtling trash and bile-filled shouts as they drove past pro-life protesters quietly praying with signs at a parking lot next to the Planned Parenthood clinic on MLK blvd.

      Side the second: My wife was nearly struck with a bottle hurled at the Occupy protest last year as she quietly marched along, and she reported having passed numerous small groups of guys in suits downtown giving the one-finger salute, calling her and the other protesters all kinds of insults along the way.

      Long story short - your "side" is just as duped and hate-filled as the other side. As evidence, I present the fact that you use name-calling and buzzwords as a means to mark folks who differ from you on given issues.

      It's not your fault really... the blame is tow-fold, and keys off of human nature: Television loves nothing more than to stoke petty hatreds, fears, and jealousies which in turn drives advertising sales for them; the more outrageous the better. Political parties do it because stirring up passion (even by using lowest-common-denominator means) is the best known method to get votes, thus power.

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    51. Re:Sounds good. by Rob+Riggs · · Score: 2

      The Republicans need to drive the wackos out if they ever want to win the presidency, but they can't because their brand has been destroyed by the pandering to racists, creationists, global warming deniers, and other lunatics.

      Yep. It took a while, but Rupert Murdoch has been a boon to the Democrats in the long run. The lefties are no longer outraged at Fox News. Instead they now get a chuckle from every sham news story they broadcast.

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      the growth in cynicism and rebellion has not been without cause
    52. Re:Sounds good. by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ah, see? I can tell you're a republican. Hurricanes are a result of low barometric pressure...

      --
      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    53. Re:Sounds good. by MachineShedFred · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Once upon a time (and by that, I mean 15 years ago), after the elections ended, the winners did a little thing called "governing." To the layman, this looked like compromise. Bills passed, budgets were created (and even balanced sometimes), everyone got a little of what they wanted, and nobody got everything they wanted. They system worked.

      Now, compromise isn't viewed as a goal, but a flaw. And then everyone wonders why nothing gets done, and nothing gets fixed. The herd of assholes taking up residence in the Capitol are too busy using the issues to generate campaign funds through direct mailers and fundraiser web sites; which, by the way, is incentive to not fix the problems, because then you can't beat the opposition over the head with it for donated dollars.

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    54. Re:Sounds good. by Quasimodem · · Score: 0

      You must never have heard of a "Blue Dog Democrat," have you?

      http://uspolitics.about.com/od/democrats/a/Blue-Dog-Democrat.htm

    55. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, if you consider what Hilary and Obama make speeches about in the primaries as the "hard" left, you have no idea what hard left is. One of my life's dreams is to watch people like you react to real hard left policies, like the government taking over banks, hospitals, pharmaceutical companies, utilities, etc. I mean taking them over in the literal sense, like "you owned it yesterday, not today bitch."

    56. Re:Sounds good. by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why a Republican Bill. This seems to go against the core Republican Ideals of less government and regulation.

      By saying to a Company you must offer goods and services this way, where the old way has no effect of health safety, for a product that is almost purely entertainment. Looks like big Government getting involved with the Corporations again.

      Granted I would love the ability to have this, but I don't see this as needing a federal mandate. I figure competition from Online streaming would force the companies to change.

      My guess TV Producers such as Fox has been in his ear, Because for the big producers will get all the stations while the newer smaller stations may not become popular enough to get noticed.

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      If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
    57. Re:Sounds good. by Tailhook · · Score: 1

      I agree. This "problem" is in the process of solving itself and adding a bunch of statist gobbledygook to the matter won't improve the outcome. Cut the damn cord. Make the cable people deal with a competitive market.

      The best contribution The Great and The Good can make is to ensure network neutrality. Leave the rest to the consumer and simple competition will fix the problem. This isn't the water supply or national defense. Just facilitate competition and let consumers work out their tee-vee problems.

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      Maw! Fire up the karma burner!
    58. Re:Sounds good. by tompaulco · · Score: 0

      No, we would have the first female president instead of the first black one.

      Hillary Clinton is to woman what Barack Obama is to black.

      The GOP panders to racists and bigots, see the difference here? They run on hate. You can't see how that might be slightly troublesome?

      Where as the Democrat party panders to racists and bigots who so desperately want to show how tolerant they are that they would elect a black president just to prove it.

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      If you are not allowed to question your government then the government has answered your question.
    59. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why the name calling? Does it make you feel superior? Is it a habit that you picked up in preschool and just can't let go? Is it because the only way you can discredit people you disagree with is by naming calling? Just curious if you realize that it discredits anything you say, not that you said much beyond the name calling, but it does speak volumes about your maturity level.

    60. Re:Sounds good. by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Yes I love how my $40 cable bill has become a $10 Netflix "but we don't have not-popular series for you to stream", and then Amazon Streaming Video "And you can buy each episode in the season for $2, so if you want to watch a month's worth of TV it's like $8 per show you watch since there's 4 weeks at $2." Now instead of having a constant stream of everything, I can pick the five series I want to watch and pay the same amount.

      Perfect if you have a wife or kids, too, since now with two people in the house they'll probably have 3-4 series each they like to watch, which you can pay $2 per episode for. That's great, because then you can spend $48 for shit you want instead of $40 for basic cable. Of course your kids will want Teletubbies and Barney and Dora the Sexually Abused Mexican who Ran Away From Her Pervert Father and Now Lives In The Wilderness With No Parental Observation (how is a six year old girl going all over the damn world without her parents!?), so another $24 a month. $72 is better.

      Or you could just get cable. With SyFy shit, and TNT, and Fox for $10 each instead of the ludicrous $16 to have Futurama AND Family Guy (seriously, $10 for JUST FOX, with Futurama, Family Guy, American Dad, the works!). Oh and your wife will want Soap and Lifetime, and your kids want Cartoon Network and Disney. And you know, most Slashdorks want the History Channel for whatever godforsaken reason, and Discovery because they're painsluts. So yeah, $90 for not only greater personalization, but also access to a wider array of stuff for cheaper (yeah not paying $16/mo to have Futurama and Family Guy when I could pay $10 to have a channel with both and a bunch of other cool shit).

      Definitely a good opportunity. I don't have TV service now and I'm looking forward to this passing.

    61. Re:Sounds good. by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      That last part made no sense.

      Especially since I did not vote for him. The GOP goes out of its way to court racists. Heck the old lady at the town hall meeting proves it.

    62. Re:Sounds good. by LordLimecat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      brainwashed... superstition.... derp... deranged... wackos... racists....lunatics...

      What was that about hatred?

    63. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moderate - v. intr. - to act as a moderator.
      Ex. You can use mod points to moderate the posts on slashdot.

    64. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like we are in serious need of a Sith Lord.

    65. Re:Sounds good. by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      Side the first: I have personally watched drivers giving the middle finger, and occasionally hurtling trash and bile-filled shouts as they drove past pro-life protesters quietly praying with signs at a parking lot next to the Planned Parenthood clinic on MLK blvd.

      This is exactly the problem. Both sides are guilty but what some Left have done is really insidious; casting the other side as "mean spirited." There are plenty on both sides that are mean spirited; but the vast majority are not. They may however have different and strong opinions about what is good for people and our nation.

      What I find most upsetting though is the young Upworthy, Jezebel and Daily Kos reading types. These people would claim to be ardent supporters of civil liberties like free speech and than as in your example above think assault is perfectly justified when they encounter someone saying something they don't like.

      Call the Fox News (though MSNBC was found to be worse) junkies reality challenged if you like, they certainly play fast an loose with the facts around a handful of issues. You get the occasional self identified TEA Party member demanding there be no cuts to medicare but for the most part these people are more consistent philosophically.

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    66. Re:Sounds good. by LordLimecat · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ok, because some "old bitty" (apparently thats not hateful at all) had bizarre ideas about Obama's nationality, Im a racist.

      Sounds legit.

    67. Re:Sounds good. by LordLimecat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The hillarious thing is this is the third post Ive responded to, and the third which has called GOP folks various names (bigots, hatefful, derps, tards, wackos, lunatics). And the claim is that we're hateful.

      Am I crazy, or is this what we call hypocrisy?

    68. Re:Sounds good. by Zordak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hell, I'll settle for a party that has an internally consistent platform, instead of one demanding small government while paying billions of dollars to track down and house people for "feeling good". Moderation be damned, I want non-hypocrites so at least I know where I really stand.

      Then there is no major American political party for you.

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    69. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, moderate is someone who neither pushes for a Capitalist/Libertarian state that is controlled by those who have the most money, nor by Socialists who would "equalize" all income and remove all incentive to try to get ahead. Moderate is someone who wants to promote business, but not at the cost of significant harms to consumers/employees. The hard part, of course, is getting everyone to agree on where that middle ground is, and how to get/stay there.

    70. Re:Sounds good. by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry you enjoy your monopolist sporting events so much. I prefer my escapism a little less tedious.

      I'm not sure what conspiracy theory I espoused to justify the "ten foil hat," so I'm going to assume that you're just in the habit of projecting every criticism ever tossed your way onto everyone you talk to.

    71. Re:Sounds good. by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Hell, if you're a Republican (I am) and believe that hurricanes are caused by high barometric pressure (I do) and not gay marriage (I don't), then you, too, are a RINO

      Oh bull. RINO refers to pushing for non-conservative agendas while claiming to be a republican (ie, a conservative). If Bloomberg claimed to be a republican and then pushed for the softdrink restrictions and cigarette restrictions, yes, that sort of makes him a RINO: conservatives are going to tend to NOT want overreaching government intervention.

      This idea of McCains may or may not be a good idea, but if most of his ideas follow this one in suggesting "more government intervention as a solution", Im sorry, thats just not what the GOP generally goes for, and maybe the RINO tag would be accurate.

    72. Re:Sounds good. by DarkOx · · Score: 0, Troll

      Ah, see? I can tell you're a republican. Hurricanes are a result of low barometric pressure...

      Ah, see? I can tell you're a rank and file Democrat. You think that by catching someone in a minor misstatement or miss recalled fact you have prove to be their intellectual superior. So what you are entitled to choose a health plan for him now?

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    73. Re:Sounds good. by Zordak · · Score: 1

      I was about to hop in and discuss about whether it was good or bad, if the congress should have that kind of control to legislate such a thing, especially on satelite providers... but I like your response a lot better.

      At the risk of being a "me, too," seriously, they can't find anything more important to focus their legislative energy on? On the one hand, I kind of like the idea of a la carte television. On the other hand, I kind of don't care because I pretty much already do that with Netflix and iTunes (for Doctor Who). On the third hand, why is it the federal government's business how cable companies package their product? If there are antitrust issues, fine, we've had the Sherman act for more than 100 years. If that doesn't get you there, maybe it's none of your freaking legislative business.

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    74. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you go that far to the left, you become functionally identical to the right. The reverse applies as well.

    75. Re:Sounds good. by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      Tea Party did not lose. Romney was never a Tea Party candidate.

      Romney was a left leaning moderate (by US standards before you Europeans throw a fit,) who tried to fake being a strong conservative. As a result, he came across insincere to both the left and the right. The Tea Party folks never really trusted him - which was why turn out was lower on the republican side than in '08.

    76. Re:Sounds good. by DarkEdgeX · · Score: 1

      Hmm... I don't know. It's a value proposition for me. I've been cable free for over ten years. If there's some show I want to watch badly enough, there's the internet, for everything else, OTA HDTV works great. I couldn't stomach paying $40+ (and up to $90 if you actually wanted a choice of channels), that's $480 to $1080 a year, for the privilege of perhaps seeing something entertaining (but we don't guarantee that).

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    77. Re:Sounds good. by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      I keep hearing that about Jeb, but I really don't think a Bush would ever win a nomination again.

      As a San Antonian, I am hoping for Cruz.

    78. Re:Sounds good. by homey+of+my+owney · · Score: 1

      Uhhh, you know he was re-elected in 2010, right? That's why the parent you posted to was talking about 2016?

    79. Re:Sounds good. by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      Can we stop this fiction already. Obama promised to close GitMo. He has not done it. Its a military operation, he is the Commander and Chief; he is also the President with the power of pardon. He can't get congress to do what he wants but there is nothing at all stopping him from releasing the detainees and simply re-repatriating them to wherever they were pulled from. He does not need Congress to do that. This isn't a Left/Right issue. Both sides clearly favor extraordinary rendition and indefinite detention.

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    80. Re:Sounds good. by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      At risk of sounding like I'm against education, I have to ask: Who cares about educational programming? Who ever did other than the occasional "let's feel good, and think of the children" politician or layman?

      When I was a kid, I never watched educational programs. I don't even know anybody who did. Sesame street is the only valid example I can think of, and it is so profitable and so not dead that its owners are wealthy beyond belief.

      I get tired of hearing people saying we need to more educational programming. What good does it do when nobody watches it? We mostly only watch TV to get entertained, so let TV stay entertaining. Personally I gave up on TV a long time ago, but there's no sense at all in telling people what they should watch. Besides, with the rise of the internet and youtube, there is far more educational video content now than ever, readily available to the viewer on demand no less.

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    81. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like to give politicians credit when it is possible, because it is sure rare that it is possible.

      There, FTFY. Also, if there is one question in the world I'd like to ask John McCain, Simpson, and Bowles after they retire, it would be this: "Just how broken is politics in D.C.?"

    82. Re:Sounds good. by jkauzlar · · Score: 1

      Someone is getting rich off it, otherwise McCain wouldn't be doing this. Right now the major channels like Comedy Central, MTV, Fox News/Sports are drawing people to cable, then 'lesser' channels might have one show that you might watch, like Seinfeld re-runs, that you wouldn't necessarily pay for if it weren't there already. I'm guessing this will give the major channels a bigger slice of the pie, and a lot of the channels that show syndication or old movies will die away. So if McCain's bill is forcing cable providers to offer a la carte with no 'packaged' groups of channels, then this is essentially just helping the successful channels to be even more successful, and make it harder for startup channels.

    83. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A new second party would leave us with the terrible first past the post election system we have today. A far better solution would be to have 100% of all people register as Democrats (not because they agree with current Democrats but so that we automatically eliminate the two party system this way) and then elect people within the Democratic primary using methods far more diverse than then horrible system we have now.

      Rename the party "The Only Party" and we've turned a stupid two party system into a system where we once again elect individuals from a pack of individuals using a host of methods for counting votes which eliminate first past the post nonsense.

      It'd probably be necessary to change the electoral college slightly to just automatically appoint the winner in the primary election. If conservatives and liberals all vote inside a single party's primary we'd just be having a normal election using far superior election rules.

    84. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hanoi Hilton: Hunger strike? Well, we're already starving you guys anyway, but, whatever...
      Gitmo: Hunger strike? OMG, bring in the doctors to take care of these poor babies.

    85. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quick - define "moderate" without using your own ideology as a guide, and be intellectually honest when you try.

      Fact is, you cannot do so, and neither can I.

      Not being a complete douche nozzle and opposing something that they would normally support, simply because someone they perceive as the opposition supports it, would be an excellent start.

    86. Re:Sounds good. by Obfuscant · · Score: 2

      Why a Republican Bill. This seems to go against the core Republican Ideals of less government and regulation.

      Shocked! I'm SHOCKED, I say. To think that McCain would do something against the core Republican ideas. But, just remember the other name on the Feingold campaign finance legislation that puts ridiculous limits on free speech, then you won't be so shocked.

      There is nothing ludicrous about a network bundling. It's a contract between two companies that are free to agree or not. The government should stick its nose out.

      Even if this law passes, it will be just as effective as all the other cable regulation. For example, the laws that say that cable companies must provide services in a way that takes into consideration customer provided equipment. Back in the analog days, this was easy. CableCo used traps to keep you from getting things you didn't pay for. Everything else you paid for you could watch on your own TV.

      Today, they encrypt almost everything, even what you pay for, so you can't use your own ClearQAM TV to watch it. Or your own DVR with a ClearQAM tuner. It's to keep people from stealing services, even though they scramble most of the basic digital tier. In other words, the lowest level of cable service you can get includes a bunch of channels that they won't let you watch on your own equipment because you might be stealing them. You don't get anything unless you have that tier, so how can you be stealing them? Comcast, scumcast.

      I figure competition from Online streaming would force the companies to change.

      Competition only forces change when it is effective. What percentage of people would drop cable for streaming internet video? This is /. and the numbers here are much higher than in the general population. And consider that this streaming internet has to come over something, which might just be cable internet. So they'll offer you a bundle to stay with them. Many people will do that. And will want to keep the local stations for local events. So, it will be awhile before competition gets to the level that the cable companies will do this on their own.

    87. Re:Sounds good. by mcsnee · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I can't speak for anybody else, but I watched a bunch of educational programming when I was a kid. Yes, Sesame Street--but also Mr. Rogers, the Electric Company, and Square One spring immediately to mind. Oh, and I bet I could still whistle the theme to "Voyage of the Mimi." Maybe I'm not typical, but I think all of those shows were pretty valuable. Given the choice, I would probably STILL watch half an hour of Square One over half an hour of Survivor's Next Top Idol.

    88. Re:Sounds good. by MMC+Monster · · Score: 3, Informative

      Screw all that. Do what I did:

      1. Download XBMC and install it on your desktop computer. Play around with the plugins and add the repository for the repository installer plugin.

      2. Download via XBMC the plugins for Free Cable, Hulu, You Tube, and whatever other video plugins look good. From the previous step you shouldn't have to add any repositories on via their websites, you can do it via the repository installer plugin.

      3. Once you get things working fine on the previous step, get a nettop PC to put by your TV and use a remote control to control (this one: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0041ULKW2/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i01?ie=UTF8&psc=1 is great as it comes with a remote and built in IR receiver and can turn itself on via the remote as well.)

      4. Cut out the Video part of your cable bill and just get a reasonable download speed on your internet (the cheapest level is probably enough).

      Hopefully at this point you'll be able to control XBMC via the remote control and never have to touch the nettop computer again.

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    89. Re:Sounds good. by jbolden · · Score: 2

      He can't get congress to do what he wants but there is nothing at all stopping him from releasing the detainees and simply re-repatriating them to wherever they were pulled from.

      Yes there is. The countries have to agree to take them back. They haven't. That's why most of them are still in US custody.

      This isn't a Left/Right issue. Both sides clearly favor extraordinary rendition and indefinite detention.

      The right introduced this system. The left multiple times put bills forward to end it. The president has urged it. Yes it is a left / right issue.

    90. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If competition is limited, for whatever reason, then it seems appropriate to have some minimal regulations to help make sure that the market is kept as competitive as possible.

    91. Re:Sounds good. by danomac · · Score: 1

      Can't say much about the sports, but I've been using mythtv for television for more than 2 years.

      I haven't had any issues with it at all. I do have a guide (I pay for the guide data, I think it's about $2.50 a month) so I can schedule programs. I have four tuners on it, but mythtv can support more than that if your write speed to storage is fast enough. I also have frontends on all TVs (I only have two) that are IR-controlled with a Harmony remote. They all use the same server, so all frontends can watch live TV, schedule recordings, and watch recordings.

      As far as ease of use, my grandmother can use my setup. It's not that hard. It has clear menu options "Watch TV" and "Media Library" (where recordings are available.) I did edit the default menu layout to put those two options at the top, however.

      The only thing with OTA is that it doesn't show a lot of sports (I find it does on weekends, though) so if you're a sport nut OTA is not for you. In my case, cable was basically 150 channels of nothing on. I still have moments with my whopping 6 channels when there's nothing on, but at least it isn't costing me $100+ a month...

      I can say that 5 years ago if you said something about watching TV OTA I would have been "yeah, right", but I'm a convert and I always seem to find something to record.

    92. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you pay for the convenience that Cable/Direct offer. Fair enough. The service they offer isn't just the channels but the ease of use.

    93. Re:Sounds good. by TheNastyInThePasty · · Score: 1

      It's either this bill or have the umpteenth vote to repeal Obamacare or hold a hearing to find some hidden conspiracy regarding the Benghazi attacks.

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    94. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Notice how the usual array of Slashdot Lib-Simps have little attention to the content of the bill. Only their political pap is important.to them.

    95. Re:Sounds good. by jkauzlar · · Score: 1

      Comments like yours make progressives look bad. Racists will always vote republican, and the GOP courts them from a distance (esp. for House or local elections), but by and large most republicans are not racist. I would argue, on the other hand, that conservative's drive to maintain the status quo, to take money from the poor and give it to the wealthy, leads to policy designed to keep particular ethnicities at an unfair disadvantage. It's as bad for poor whites as it is for poor blacks or latinos, it's just that there are more poor blacks and latinos, so it's a) easy to label the policies as racist, b) easy to maintain the status quo by implementing policies that specifically target these ethnicities. The problem is distinguishing (a) from (b).

    96. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did not vote for the dems, by the way.

      I'm sure Cynthia appreciated your support.

    97. Re:Sounds good. by Slashdot+Parent · · Score: 1

      He lost by the time he correct the old bat that claimed obama was a muslim.

      I'm not an expert on Islam by any means, but I'm fairly sure that if you are born to a Muslim father, then Islam considers you to be a Muslim by birth. Assuming that that is correct, Barack Obama, Sr. was Muslim by birth, as is President Obama.

      Again, I am not 100% certain about this Muslim by birth thing. I could research it, but my research motivation is curtailed by the fact that I don't personally care whether or not Islam would consider President Obama to be Muslim.

      I understand that President Obama is a practicing Christian. Just trying to be precise here.

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    98. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Where's a "+1 Sad but true" mod when you really need one?

    99. Re:Sounds good. by jkauzlar · · Score: 2

      I don't like MSNBC, but what study says it's "worse" than fox news?? The MSNBC talking heads at least stick to facts when presenting their point of view. Fox news will literally change or ignore the facts. I'm not being partisan, just trying to keep it real.

    100. Re:Sounds good. by jkauzlar · · Score: 1

      what's a derp?

    101. Re:Sounds good. by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      At risk of sounding like I'm against education, I have to ask: Who cares about educational programming?

      Me? I like informative content. I don't care that other people don't, I just care that I can't get any.

      Remember TechTV? That was educational, for adults, and fun. Remember old discovery channel? Fascinating stuff. Now if I watched the descendants of either of those channels, I'd be lucky if I didn't know less than I started knowing.

    102. Re:Sounds good. by jkauzlar · · Score: 1

      It's friday, have a sense of humor : )

    103. Re:Sounds good. by jahudabudy · · Score: 1

      Of course there are ass-hats in both parties, and on every side of any issue. The main difference is that the GOP is a tightly controlled party that asserts firm party discipline. And the party line is major asshattery. The Democratic Party (DP?) is much more splintered. While there is probably just as much asshattery, it is on a more individual basis because the Democratic Party leadership doesn't have nearly as much influence over individual votes. So they can't enforce their preferred brand of asshattery as the party line.

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    104. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As far as I know, Muslims believe that everyone is born a Muslim. It doesn't matter who the father is. John McCain is a muslim.

      Source: http://islam101.com/dawah/newBorn.htm

    105. Re:Sounds good. by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      You seem like a cool person.

    106. Re:Sounds good. by Zordak · · Score: 1

      At least Obamacare actually matters, whether you love it or hate it. I want my legislators to care about what's going on with Obamacare. I don't want them micromanaging my television.

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    107. Re:Sounds good. by jamstar7 · · Score: 1

      Ah, see? I can tell you're a republican. Hurricanes are a result of low barometric pressure...

      So you're saying, in essence, that hurricanes happen because the weather sucks? As a Republican, I must take offense at that. :D

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    108. Re: Sounds good. by used2win32 · · Score: 1

      mmmm... waygu....

      We raise some we get as newborns from an uncles commercial herd. Very very good. The first wagyu steak I ate, I ate with a spoon. I used the spoon to cut my steak, no fork or knife needed.

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    109. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They already did. This is gold for the content distributors. It's the content providers that have an issue with this. You think comcast wouldn't prefer to overcharge you for just ESPN while dropping the useless channels (and infrastructure costs)? But they can't, because the content providers needlessly bundle in the crap.

      No matter what laws go into place, some "fatass executive" is going to make money off it. So what you really mean is that you want them to figure out a way to make more money for the fatass executive who agrees with your point of view.

    110. Re:Sounds good. by used2win32 · · Score: 1

      News flash: Obama is black?

      His mom is white, so he is 50% white.
      His dad is (roughly) 75% Arabic and 25% black, so he is (roughly) 37.5% Arabic and 12.5% black.

      So, at 50%, was he the next white president?
      At 37.5%, was he the first Arabic president?
      At 12.5%, was he the first black president?

      We know what the media has made the public believe...

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    111. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Except it's not a 'dupe' if you're fighting for a cause you actually believe in. The dupe is that the republicans or democrats care about your cause.

    112. Re:Sounds good. by Zordak · · Score: 1

      Right, which is why we have the Sherman Antitrust Act. In fact, I took a whole class on antitrust law in law school, and it was an awfully thick book, so I know first hand that we already have a ton of antitrust law. We don't need the McCain Micromanagement of Media Act.

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    113. Re:Sounds good. by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      DING DING DING! We have a winner.

      (rather than a loser like Penguinisto)

    114. Re:Sounds good. by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      > As far as I know, Muslims believe that everyone is born a Muslim. It doesn't matter who the father is. John McCain is a muslim.

      The really zealous even go so far as to call converts "reverts." It is all pretty self-absorbed of them, kind of like those mormons who do posthumous baptisms.

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    115. Re:Sounds good. by rjhubs · · Score: 1

      Reading rainbow, Bill Nye, Nova, Beakman's World, these are all programs I watched as a kid and helped foster my knowledge of science.

    116. Re:Sounds good. by aztracker1 · · Score: 1

      Sure it will... unless there is a restriction on pricing... That'll be $10 per channel, per month please.

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    117. Re:Sounds good. by aztracker1 · · Score: 1

      Now, who's been president for 5 years, and promised to close Guantanamo within his first few months in office?

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    118. Re:Sounds good. by PrimaryConsult · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure when you were a kid but until the mid 1990s, we actually used to have good educational television. The roster was something like:
      Sesame St - Pre school reading / numbers and socializing (currently a shadow of its former self)
      The Electric Company - Grade school reading / basic grammar
      3-2-1 Contact - science
      Bill Nye - also science
      Square One TV - math (varying ages)

      Very little of what is around now seems to pass for children's educational TV, compared against the above list. These were shows you could plop your age-appropriate kid in front of, and it would both hold their interest and spark a healthy curiosity in the subject matter. People are going to have the TV babysit their kids anyway - with good educational television at least they'd be learning something in the process.

    119. Re:Sounds good. by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      The Democratic Party (DP?) is much more splintered. While there is probably just as much asshattery, it is on a more individual basis because the Democratic Party leadership doesn't have nearly as much influence over individual votes. So they can't enforce their preferred brand of asshattery as the party line.

      FWIW, this is the same conclusion I've come too as well. The democrat party is not quite like herding cats, but they are anarchists compared to the republicans. Everybody has heard the term RINO, but DINO is rarely used and only came into existence after RINO became such a popular epithet.

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    120. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So then everyone in congress is a "moderate". Halfway between more power for corporations and more power for the federal government.

    121. Re:Sounds good. by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      Roku with Hulu and Netflix is technically very easy with just one straightforward remote. No recording necessary, because you're streaming everything. Not sure about having a guide, but both give some hints and recommendations. Hulu may have some sort of favorites list to remind you to catch weekly shows: I'm not entirely sure, that's my wife's arena.

      Sports is a difficult issue. You'll pay a lot for addon packages, though they exist. I've satisfied myself with paying for less expensive audio and listening via the laptop, but it's not quite the same.

    122. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One side shouted insults and the other threw a bottle and yet you're still saying they're the same. Even within your own hand picked choices there is a false equivalency.

      The Democrats definitely have a group that is hate filled towards those who are on the other side of the fence, but it is small compared to the Republicans. The Republicans core followers are the type who are entirely hate filled with the other side. There is already a group preparing to "primary" out Republicans who have the audacity of trying to actually govern by reaching across the aisle and work with the Democrats.

      You can say that neither party is perfect and be correct, but you can most definitely not say that both sides are just as bad and still be correct.

    123. Re:Sounds good. by TheNastyInThePasty · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure the only thing they care about with regards to Obamacare is that it was pushed by Obama. Nothing more. This is evidenced by their continuously stated goal to oppose anything and everything he does. A bill to regulate the cable oligarchy is definitely preferable to that.

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    124. Re:Sounds good. by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      I don't care about kids educational programming, but as an adult I'd like some. There was a brief window where I caught a lot of neat stuff on the History channel and loved it. Given the option I would gladly watch quite a bit of science or history on television, but it's hard to find. It's sad when a cooking show is the most educational, scientific, nonfiction you can find on air.

    125. Re:Sounds good. by PoolOfThought · · Score: 1

      The MSNBC talking heads at least stick to facts when presenting their point of view

      Wow. Just Wow. Why do they even present both? They should keep their point of view out of it.

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    126. Re:Sounds good. by funwithBSD · · Score: 1

      Here at the Church of the FSM, we do posthumorous baptisms!

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    127. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moderate - a politician that tries to remain balanced on all issues with respect to the issues of the voting populace regardless to the views of any specific political interest.

    128. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet another moronic equivocation from the Both-Sides-Are-Bad-So-Vote-Republican crowd.

      The Occupy protest was an admittedly rather unfocused motion against a number of legitimately percieved injustices. They threatened no-one's livelyhood. A number of people who haven't worked for their money but managed to acquire quite a lot anyway (the rich) might have had to make do with something closer to their actual earned income if the movement had managed success.

      The "Pro-Life" movement is a sham. Its specific goal is violent: it aims to deny women the right to control their own bodies. Should they succeed, roughly half of our population returns to their status as property rather than people, deprived of the right to make their own decisions with their own flesh. Painting them as harmless people who simply believe differently is a lie. They are a violent mob out for the disenfranchisement of an entire gender.

      To paint these parties as equally inoffensive is a transparent deception. A hippie drum circle and a KKK rally are fundamentally different animals due to the particularities of the positions they espouse. The right is virtually always in the wrong in these situations, both recently and viewed through the lense of history.

      But don't let that slow down your attempt to neutralize any rational discourse in order to prevent people from realizing that fact.

    129. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      replace the wife.

      it would be cheaper.

    130. Re:Sounds good. by TheGavster · · Score: 1

      The primaries held by both parties are incredibly disenfranchising to 90% of voters. Howard Dean is on record during his tenure as DNC chairman saying that that's the way they like it. The electoral college makes voting power even more uneven. Scrapping both systems and holding a 20-way race with instant runoff voting is the only way to allow candidates to express their true views, rather than pandering to Iowa, Ohio, and the most radical wing of their own party.

      --
      "Because Science" is one step from "Because old book". Try "Because of my experiment testing my falsifiable assertion".
    131. Re:Sounds good. by vux984 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Here at the Church of the FSM, we do posthumorous baptisms!

      In Ragu sauce?

    132. Re:Sounds good. by jkauzlar · · Score: 1

      Point of view journalism is incredibly common and profitable, and sometimes very good. For example the Daily Show, Rachel Maddow, the Young Turks and Democracy Now all struggle to be factually accurate and have a definite point of view. I just don't like Rachel Maddow because I don't like her tone of voice and attitude. And you don't think the network stations have a point of view? They're pro-establishment, which is why something like Occupy Wall Street can go on for weeks without media coverage, while a random, small pro-Corporate Tea Party rally gets instant coverage.

    133. Re:Sounds good. by xtal · · Score: 1

      I hope it doesn't pass - it will speed their demise.

      --
      ..don't panic
    134. Re:Sounds good. by jahudabudy · · Score: 1

      Which is actually a somewhat scary conclusion. Are the only alternatives in our political system truly the insanity we see out of the Rs or the incompetence we see out of the Ds? Seems there ought to be some way to set up a system that encourages a sane, competent governing body, but I've yet to see it. The somewhat rare occasions we see competent sanity, it tends to boil down to an individual or group of individuals accomplishing DESPITE the system.

      --
      ...sometimes, in order to hurt someone very badly, you have to tell that person terrible lies. - PA
    135. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's sad, is everyone WANTS this.

      I don't watch 95% of the channels I am forced to pay for. I could give two sh*ts about:

      Anything in Spanish
      Home Shopping Channels
      Jesus and the Gang Channels

      They're just pointless. Give me the few channels I want to watch and that's it. I'm pretty
      sure most folks feel the same way. Yet, the odds of this bill becoming a reality are slim
      to none. Ugh.

    136. Re:Sounds good. by mu51c10rd · · Score: 1

      I am also a family of 4 with young kids and a non-tech wife. I solved the problems you allude to with a WD Live device on each TV. It is simple, it works, and it aggregates all the online services with the local NAS that has movies/pictures/photos. It also has a single remote. You can use the android/iphone app, but it sounds like that is going too far. I've since added Playon, and the family use that just fine too. How did I do this? I installed one device while we still had directtv. By week 3, the Directtv receivers weren't used anymore, and we cancelled the service.

    137. Re:Sounds good. by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      News flash: Obama is black? [...] His mom is white, so he is 50% white. [...]

      Sadly, the media (and Mr. Obama's party) still uses the 'one drop rule' for determining ethnicity and racial characteristics.

      --
      Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
    138. Re:Sounds good. by Reverand+Dave · · Score: 1

      Seems to me like you need to educate your wife. My 4 year old has been using netflix since he was 2 1/2 just fine. You don't do anyone any favors by catering to their ignorance.

      --
      I got here through a series of tubes
    139. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm afraid you've been misinformed about school vouchers.

    140. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He lost by the time he correct the old bat that claimed obama was a muslim.

      I'm not an expert on Islam by any means, but I'm fairly sure that if you are born to a Muslim father, then Islam considers you to be a Muslim by birth. Assuming that that is correct, Barack Obama, Sr. was Muslim by birth, as is President Obama.

      Again, I am not 100% certain about this Muslim by birth thing. I could research it, but my research motivation is curtailed by the fact that I don't personally care whether or not Islam would consider President Obama to be Muslim.

      I understand that President Obama is a practicing Christian. Just trying to be precise here.

      And by similar logic (i.e. other peoples rules referring to your own identity), you can be baptized a Mormon without consent and in your absence. My understanding is that this is usually after death but I don't claim to know all of the details. Or you might still be on a membership list at a , but have moved on in your faith.

    141. Re:Sounds good. by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      Once upon a time (and by that, I mean 15 years ago), after the elections ended, the winners did a little thing called "governing." To the layman, this looked like compromise. Bills passed, budgets were created (and even balanced sometimes),

      Note that the budget is not balanced if the National Debt increases.

      Note further that the National Debt has increased EVERY YEAR since 1957. Yes, when Clinton and the Republican Congress "balanced the budget", they still had to borrow more money to match their expenditures, so the debt still went up.

      --

      "I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
    142. Re:Sounds good. by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Here at the Church of the FSM, we do posthumorous baptisms!

      You know that's actually a real thing, right? The Mormons in particular are pretty well known for it.

    143. Re:Sounds good. by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

      President Trojan Horse. That's who.

      BTW: I saw it coming, and tried to warn everyone, in 2007.

      --
      "Flyin' in just a sweet place,
      Never been known to fail..."
    144. Re:Sounds good. by CrashPoint · · Score: 1

      Once upon a time (and by that, I mean 15 years ago), after the elections ended, the winners did a little thing called "governing."

      In what country?

    145. Re:Sounds good. by jandrese · · Score: 1

      The Tea Party lost not because they were offering sound financial advice, but because all of the crazies took on the mantle of the Tea Party to demand everything from deporting Obama back to his Kenyan birthplace to shutting down Medicare/Medicaid to demanding the removal of evolution and global warming from the classroom.

      They're basically another third party like Libertarians. They're founded on all of these great principles that the big parties are afraid to touch, but also saddled with loads of crazy from trying to build a party out of the lunatic fringe. I see this all the time with college Liberatrians. "Oh boy, I can totally get behind the party that wants to get the government out of my hair and treat people like adults! Wait, what do you mean about letting big corporations pollute as much as they want? Oh crap, this would affect my Pell grants, wouldn't it..."

      --

      I read the internet for the articles.
    146. Re:Sounds good. by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Courts them from a distance?
      They court them quite openly. What do you think the whole birther thing was?
      Gingrich says racist crap all the time, and here is gem from Santorum âoeI donâ(TM)t want to make black people's lives better by giving them somebody else's money â. I can continue if you like.

      Sure their policies are anti-poor, but this is how they get poor whites to vote GOP. Actually there are more poor whites than poor minorities. The middle of our nation is full of them. Their are also more poor white folks on government assistance, than minorities. The GOP gets these folks to vote via racism.

    147. Re:Sounds good. by PoolOfThought · · Score: 1

      I don't have cable, nor do I want it for anything other than sports (so i get to opt out of the 'slashdork' channels you mentioned). Honestly, I've thought a couple of times about getting cable again - for exactly the reasons you spelled out. I thought, man, I could get basic cable and then I'd get ESPN and TNT and could watch so many more games, especially playoff games. That would be great and for just $40 or so!

      But then my fucking BRAIN kicks in and my memory takes over and the truth starts to show up again. Cable doesn't come with DVR in my neck of the woods and since I work hours that aren't always standard (like many people) I would need something that could allow me to watch my SHOWS on my timeline. Plus, pretty much everyone likes to be able to just pause stuff and come back to it later. Okay $10 per month for DVR.

      Just $50 bucks.

      WTF? That's not the HD cable and DVR teir. Fine... another 15 bucks a month.

      Just $65 bucks now to have something that actually resembles my netflix / hulu setup that I get for $15.

      So now I'm home from work and I'm ready to just shut my brain off for a while (before I get started doing even more work) so I want to watch one of my shows I've recorded with my handy dandy DVR. But guess what, the wife just got the kids to bed and wants to watch her shows while she folds laundry. I personally hate effing "Pickers" or "Animal Cops" so I guess I'll just leave the TV to her and try to tune it out. Sadly, no sports.

      But since I only came back to cable for sports then giving up the TV to animal planet defeats the whole purpose, right!? I Guess we'll just have to add another box to the system. After all, why should I get to watch basketball and her miss her shows? So, here's another $10-$15 box depending on if it also has DVR. Of course, Grandma who lives with us because she can't live on her own will also want to be able to decide what she wants to watch (this is the same as the kids in your example) so she gets her own box at another expense.

      So now $80-$90.

      But I still don't have the latest and greatest movies. Maybe I should add some movie tiers? Well, shit, now we're right back where we started at over $100 for cable and we haven't even gotten to taxes, fees, etc.

      Many people who have jobs and lives often can't make use of a "constant stream of everything"... sorry to burst your bubble on your little rant there... but just because someone chooses to operate in the market in a way different than you doesn't necessarily make them idiots. It might actually mean that you're the idiot and that you have no idea what you're talking about. Or it could just mean you're different and have different needs. You might not be willing to pay a premium for on demand, but someone else will be willing to do so because it fits their lifestyle. Companies that can respect that will find new opportunities. People that can't respect that (when it is not a moral issue) can safely be ignored.

      --
      My present is the activity I am currently engaged in with the purpose of turning the future into a better past.
    148. Re:Sounds good. by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      So I need to be tolerant of the intolerant?

      This women reflects a big GOP segment. Not all GOP voters are racists, but racists vote for the GOP in great number. They openly court them, here is a fun quote from Santorum âoeI donâ(TM)t want to make black people's lives better by giving them somebody else's moneyâ, there are more of these gems if you like them.

      It is not my fault you don't demand the party change, nor am I wrong to point out the truth.

    149. Re:Sounds good. by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      I voted for a lady with the first name Jill. If you really care that much.

      I knew she would lose, but I was hoping to help her get near 5% for federal funding reasons.

    150. Re:Sounds good. by scarboni888 · · Score: 1

      Very well said. I would use mod points here if I had them.

    151. Re:Sounds good. by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Well then, congratulations I just converted you to Pastafarianism. Any one can do that to anyone at any time.

      People can pick their own religion or lack there of. What some other folks think means nothing.

    152. Re:Sounds good. by citylivin · · Score: 1

      With a wife and child I have no problem doing everything online. We have never had cable. My wife is just about as non technical as a person can get but she has no problem using boxee to watch shows which have been auto downloaded through rss feeds. She also has no problem after i showed her, downloading torrents and finding them in a mapped network share. My son watches primarily youtube. No one watches any ads, which is the biggest reason I gave up cable over 12 years ago now.

      You should give your family more credit, especially the kids. People can easily learn to click a few different buttons. There are plenty of media centre softwares that make it super easy, such as plex.

      The only thing you mention which is not surmountable is sports programming which thankfully no one in my family has any interest in.

      --
      As a potential lottery winner, I totally support tax cuts for the wealthy
    153. Re:Sounds good. by GNious · · Score: 1

      Close - this is a sure-fire way for McCain and Friends to get some sponsorships, once they let it slip they are drafting this bill and are looking for "input".

    154. Re:Sounds good. by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      They like that stuff too.

      How is it hatred to point out a party is now pandering to its most infantile? The GOP is the party of the superstitious, racists and conspiracy theorists.

      Pointing out facts is not hate. No more than saying I hate flat earthers when I point out they are wrong.

    155. Re:Sounds good. by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      That is because the racists do. Do you think Obama would have been allowed at one of the whites only proms still held in the deep south?

      Do you think those folks holding it voted for him?

    156. Re:Sounds good. by ZombieBraintrust · · Score: 2

      I won't vote for a Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter or Obama. We shuffle towards dictatorship when multiple generations of the same family hold the highest office.

    157. Re:Sounds good. by coyote_oww · · Score: 1

      Not to be offensive, but you didn't try cutting the cord, your wife tried it, didn't like it, and directed you to fix it. Manager, tech support; her, you.

    158. Re:Sounds good. by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      I can tell you're a rank and file Democrat. You think that by catching someone in a minor misstatement or miss recalled fact you have prove to be their intellectual superior.

      No, but catching someone who is writing flamebait demonstrating how stupid someone else is, thus claiming an intellectual superiority, in an obviously inaccurate statement does go to show the original flamer's lack of intellectual superiority. Minor misstatements by themselves are just mistakes. Major misstatements in an attack on someone else's intelligence are ... disqualifying.

    159. Re:Sounds good. by phorm · · Score: 1

      Amusingly, I read this as but I doubt he'd get past the primates, which actually seems to be a good descriptor for many other members of the party.

    160. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty much what LordLimecat said. You're claiming that all the Republicans are these incredibly ignorant and intolerant people. But somehow you can't see that you're doing the same things.

      Hypocrisy much?

    161. Re:Sounds good. by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      You can buy a DVR device. Every DVR is not Tivo. Stupid slashdotters with their "what the hell is MythTV or XBMC?" But now you can't HDMI in on those, so you need to spend $300 one time on a hardware device that prohibits copying out.

    162. Re:Sounds good. by jkauzlar · · Score: 1

      by 'from a distance' I think I mean the same thing as you mean by 'quite openly' : ) Santorum can say racist stuff all day, but didn't get in trouble until that one time where he explicitly said 'black people' then tried to cover it up by claiming he said 'blah people'. Gingrich and Trump never used the 'N' word, so they're okay too. The birther thing was of course mired in racism. If John McCain was latino and democrat, there certainly would've been more questions about his being born in Panama. This was blanketed as a concern for upholding the constitution, which is why I say 'at a distance'.

    163. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      low somewhere requires high(er) somewhere else. You're both right.

    164. Re:Sounds good. by Slashdot+Parent · · Score: 1

      People can pick their own religion or lack there of. What some other folks think means nothing.

      That's not quite true. Let's say, hypothetically, that I was to decide that I was Catholic. Well, the Catholic Church has requirements for someone to be considered Catholic, and it turns out I don't meet them. Even if I considered myself to be Catholic, other folks, folks in the Catholic Church, think that I am not. Therefore I am not. I could not take Communion in a Catholic church because "other folks" think that I am not Catholic.

      What a person thinks, and what other people think, are different things. However, they are both important in their own ways. You can choose not to care what other people think, but that doesn't make their thoughts meaningless. In case you were wondering, I have chosen not to care that you consider me to be a Pastafarian. I'd speculate that President Obama doesn't really care if Islam considers him to be Muslim.

      P.S. If being a Pastafarian entitles me to free manicotti, I intend to claim it. I really love manicotti.

      --
      They don't grade fathers, but if your daughter's a stripper, you fucked up. --Chris Rock
    165. Re:Sounds good. by epine · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're not trying to be precise, you're shit disturbing.

      if you are born to a Muslim father, then Islam considers you to be a Muslim by birth

      Since only people who accept their Muslim identity by choice give a shit about what "Islam considers" (and not even all of these, if Muslims are anything like Catholics), by this criteria Obama would only be Muslim in the eyes of a hard-line Muslim, despite not taking it on board himself (or his parents taking it on board, either).

      You're operating from the "taint" school of categorization, where Tiger Woods is "black" despite being twice as Asian and just as white. Secularists such as myself consider Obama to be whatever the hell he professes himself to be, which isn't to say he's immune to what's bred in the bone.

      But what is bred in the bone in his case, if we're being precise about anything that actually matters?

    166. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be living in a dream. We've had that for years, yet TV is still going strong.

    167. Re:Sounds good. by kaatochacha · · Score: 2

      Actually, this will murder sports channels. They're being subsidized by the packages:
      http://articles.latimes.com/2012/dec/01/business/la-fi-1202-ct-sports-cost-20121202

    168. Re:Sounds good. by Slashdot+Parent · · Score: 1

      Since only people who accept their Muslim identity by choice give a shit about what "Islam considers" (and not even all of these, if Muslims are anything like Catholics), by this criteria Obama would only be Muslim in the eyes of a hard-line Muslim, despite not taking it on board himself (or his parents taking it on board, either).

      I never asked you to give a shit what Muslims believe, hard-line or otherwise. My comment was on doctrine, not the President's religious practices. In fact, I believe I wrote that President Obama is a practicing Christian.

      You're operating from the "taint" school of categorization, where Tiger Woods is "black" despite being twice as Asian and just as white.

      This is silliness and I'm not sure how you arrived at that conclusion. I was merely pointing out that reasonable people can have different beliefs.

      Secularists such as myself consider Obama to be whatever the hell he professes himself to be, which isn't to say he's immune to what's bred in the bone.

      But what is bred in the bone in his case, if we're being precise about anything that actually matters?

      And this is why I'm not sure where your outrage came from. Again, the President is a practicing Christian. Precision, in my opinion, requires that we recognize others' beliefs, even when we don't share them.

      --
      They don't grade fathers, but if your daughter's a stripper, you fucked up. --Chris Rock
    169. Re:Sounds good. by MozeeToby · · Score: 1

      A person's religion is what they say it is, there is no other reasonable way of labeling someone with a religion.

    170. Re:Sounds good. by Slashdot+Parent · · Score: 1

      A person's religion is what they say it is, there is no other reasonable way of labeling someone with a religion.

      OK, fine. Have it your way. I am hereby Catholic!

      So can I now go take Communion in a Catholic Church? No? Why not? I just said that I'm Catholic. You mean there are requirements for being Catholic that I don't meet?

      I guess I'm not as Catholic as I claimed, am I.

      --
      They don't grade fathers, but if your daughter's a stripper, you fucked up. --Chris Rock
    171. Re:Sounds good. by Slashdot+Parent · · Score: 1

      And by similar logic (i.e. other peoples rules referring to your own identity), you can be baptized a Mormon without consent and in your absence. My understanding is that this is usually after death but I don't claim to know all of the details. Or you might still be on a membership list at a , but have moved on in your faith.

      Does that entitle me to free manicotti like being a Pastafarian does? If not, then this is useless to me.

      --
      They don't grade fathers, but if your daughter's a stripper, you fucked up. --Chris Rock
    172. Re:Sounds good. by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      No, you need to stop casting wide generalizations, and stop calling others hateful when youre going to use derogatory terms like "old bitty".

    173. Re:Sounds good. by SuperAlgae · · Score: 1

      Here's a start. http://xkcd.com/1127/
      Yes, it's xkcd, but it's no joke. It's a serious graph based on mathematical analysis of voting similarities. Notice the severe erosion of moderate republicans in recent years. The democrats show some of it too but not nearly as much. This is a real problem for the republican party. Just look at the last two presidential elections. Republicans with moderate histories were forced to redefine themselves to appeal to a republican base that is supposedly allergic to any hint of compromise. This is a disservice to all citizens-- moderates, democrats, and certainly republicans. I really want to have more than one viable candidate I can vote for, but it's difficult for me to support a candidate who acts like a puppet to some party agenda.

    174. Re:Sounds good. by aardwolf64 · · Score: 1

      If you're going to have the XBMC server (PlexApp, anyone) on your desktop, why bother with buying a whole PC for the TV? Just get a $50 Roku, connect it to PlexApp, and call it a day.

    175. Re:Sounds good. by Nexzus · · Score: 1

      Similar situation. Though my better half is fairly technically inclined, I still wanted to make it easier on her.

      In my setup, everything is on the PS3. She can work Netflix easily enough, as well as NHL Gamecenter for our local Vancouver Canucks. That uses a VPN gateway to get around Geo-IP blackouts. I've also set up an HDHomeRun and did some programming voodoo to allow her to watch OTA (local news, some entertainment) through the video services on the PS3.

      Finally, there's auto-downloading torrents of certain shows that are also accessed through video services on the PS3. (All backed by PS3 Media Server)

      I was paying $90 per month (ever increasing) for cable for a few shows. Netflix is $8, the VPN is $3.25 and Gamecenter works out to about $20 per month during the Hockey season.

      I'm never going to back to cable.

      --
      Karma: Can only be portioned out by the Cosmos.
    176. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... hurricanes are caused by high barometric pressure ...

      If you weren't a RINO, you would know that hurricanes are cause by low barometric pressure, namely all that hot air in Washington DC.

    177. Re:Sounds good. by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Are the only alternatives in our political system truly the insanity we see out of the Rs or the incompetence we see out of the Ds?

      I do not see a fractious political party as incompetent. In fact, I like it. Given the choice I'd rather have a ton of parties and dynamic coalitions like many other countries have. But given the structure of our system which practically guarantees two dominant parties, a fractious party is the best I can expect.

      --
      When information is power, privacy is freedom.
    178. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow this is a first, someone mentioning the XBMC which is FLOSS (Free Linux Open Source Software). I wonder if your using a FLOS (Free Linux Operating System) on your computer as well knowing how good XBMC is, I also wonder if you have thought of running your Media Center using the $35 Raspberry Pi computer, May be if you did your children would not want to watch the box, but educate themselves for tomorrows world, Take a look at this web site and see some of the genius things that are being done with the $35 Raspberry Pi computer, http://raspberrypi.org You can also check out the monthly free Raspberry Pi monthly magazine here http://themagpi.org which teaches kids how to program computers, The Raspberry Pi are being used in schools across Europe

    179. Re:Sounds good. by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      It is all relative. Really, it depends on your definition of the word "catholic." If you mean it as a shorthand for a full practicing member of the catholic church, then you are not a catholic. But if you mean it be whatever you think you are, then you are catholic. There are plenty of catholics who fall into that category, BTW. For example, somewhere north of 90% of catholics use contraception in direct contradiction with church doctrine. Very few people, even within the church hierarchy, would deny them their catholicism.

      That is why it is ridiculous to hold members of a mainstream religion in any way responsible for the actions of extremists who claim the religion as their own. They both have different definitions of the word.

      --
      When information is power, privacy is freedom.
    180. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bummer. However, perhaps there may be more traction in the future.

      For example, I thought the both third-party debates in 2012 were well produced and executed. I found them to be much more worthwhile than the Obama/Romney debates. Perhaps 2016 will be even better.

      Too bad the entrenched parties have incentives to prevent the adoption of Condorcet method voting (due to Duverger's Law).

      It would be nice if the population were more engaged and had an attention span long enough to learn about the advantages of alternative voting systems that encourage them to express their true preferences rather than to vote tactically. Eh, it's probably best to start locally with that—a nationwide rollout would probably cause one major party or the other to scream about disenfranchisement plots due to the "confusing" rank-order preference ballots.

    181. Re:Sounds good. by brianerst · · Score: 1

      Please - they were just called Blue Dog Democrats. The Blue Dogs went from being a substantial part of the Democratic Party (54 members in 2009) to non-existent (14 members in 2012) in just the last few years. Anyone who actually follows American politics knows this. Hell, Bill Clinton was a New Democrat - another DINO group. The Democratic Leadership Council was yet another DINO group - the list of chairs of that organization reads like a Who's Who of formerly prominent Democrats who couldn't buy a leadership position in today's party (Joe Lieberman, anyone?).

      If you don't belive me, look up Democrat in Name Only on Wikipedia, where all of those organizations are listed, directly or indirectly.

      The Democrats have been about as effective purging their ranks of the center-right as the Republicans have.

    182. Re: Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lib-simps! Oooh sooo edgy!

      Faggot

    183. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's pointless. Side A will call Side B mean-spirited. Side B will call Side A mean-spirited for calling side B mean-spirited. And so on.

      Saying that one side has the moral high ground is largely an exercise in dick-measuring. Saying that neither side has the moral high ground is also an exercise in dick-measuring. Saying that something is an exercise in dick-measuring is an exercise in ... uh, boob measuring? Well, whatever.

    184. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Netflix doesn't have hundreds of channels of garbage (paid advertising shows), or require me to know air times, or require me to know "channels", oh and it also doesn't have commercials.

      THAT is what we want in a whole package.

    185. Re:Sounds good. by PoolOfThought · · Score: 1
      I really am sorry if I was off topic because I was under the impression we were talking about news. You said "fox news" and so I mistakenly thought we were talking about news. You really consider the Daily Show news? I'll say no. Rachel Maddow is news? No.

      I suppose I should have realized that by Fox News you meant the channel... since MSNBC is also a channel (even though they have MSNBC news also).

      In any case, to argue that somehow Rachel Maddow is somehow a beacon of factual speaking is craziness. Even compared to the whatever Fox News talking head you want to use. And the Daily show is GREAT. The problem is he can get away with lying whenever he wants because it's in humor and if someone doesn't get it they can just be called to dense to get the joke. Everybody laughs (because he's funny), but he can be as loose as he wants with the facts because its humor based.

      And you don't think the network stations have a point of view? They're pro-establishment, which is why something like Occupy Wall Street can go on for weeks without media coverage, while a random, small pro-Corporate Tea Party rally gets instant coverage.

      I think everybody has a slant. I never said anyone didn't. All I asked what why they had to both report the facts and their opinion. Let them do whichever, but once they start reporting their opinion then we should expect their "facts" to have a certain amount of bias to them. That's all I meant.

      As far as the coverage of the Tea Party and Occupy was concerned... I assume you're joking... or high (nothing wrong with that). If you think either "movement" didn't get covered or got covered then your view is completely colored by your politics. Nothing wrong with that, but I guarantee that people who lean a different way see the news coverage exactly opposite to the way you do. In their view Occupy was made out to be some wonderful grassroots campaign made up of people with higher than average intelligence and and optimistic view on life who just want a "fair shake" (someone elses money). But the tea party rallies were made of racist bigots who wanted nothing more than to tear the country apart and starve the children. It was all horse shit. Neither group was as bad or as good as anyone said, but political view points change that... so they should be left out of the news.

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    186. Re:Sounds good. by kermidge · · Score: 1

      Yeah, true; makes a fine counter-point to Jefferson's assertion that the future of the Republic requires a literate electorate. Even if people can read it doesn't do anything to help if all they read are the sports page and Cosmo. Sheesh, by '72 or thereabouts less than half of adults read books - any kind of books at all, let alone history, biography, science, philosophy....

      One of the things that led to King George dropping the hammer on coffee houses as hotbeds of sedition (after the tax stuff, and morality of 'idleness') was the practice in them and not a few taverns of the 'reading corner' where, at least a night a week, books were read from and discussed; it was a way for anyone literate or no to participate in learning beyond what was available to them otherwise. We haven't any such structure or practice today. (Book clubs don't really count, I should think.) What we have instead is the passive consumption of trash TV for the masses. And 'the masses' don't give a shit, except wanting 'their' cable channel.

    187. Re:Sounds good. by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Why? If you want them, buy them. If you don't want to buy them, don't.

      Shit, it's not as though there are no alternatives.

    188. Re:Sounds good. by Cederic · · Score: 2

      you can't watch live sporting events over the internet jackass

      Last weekend I was watching the final of the World Championships over the internet. It was on tv too.

      Tomorrow I'll be watching live football over the Internet.

      In a few weeks time I'll be both watching live cricket over the internet, and listening to a live commentary over the internet from a different source to the video.

      Live sport over the Internet? Of course you fucking can.

    189. Re:Sounds good. by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Sesame St - Pre school reading / numbers and socializing

      I hated Sesami Street when I was young. (Still do). In hindsight, maybe it was the socialising. I still don't do that.

    190. Re:Sounds good. by Cederic · · Score: 1

      The countries have to agree to take them back. They haven't. That's why most of them are still in US custody.

      Bullshit. They're in a US torture camp because they were kidnapped and illegally transported there.

      Just let them fucking go. They'll find somewhere to live. Or maybe - just maybe - give them a house in fucking Florida.

      Shit, they wont cause any more harm than the locals. They wont even get to _vote_ for the next fuckwit president.

    191. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice try, but inflation has actually been consistent except for a small spike at the height of the recession. Please try your pseudo science somewhere where the gullible believe it. I think Fox has a pseudo science division.

      http://economics.about.com/cs/money/a/recession_price.htm

      That is one thing that separating ourselves from the gold standard allows. A much finer control of inflation, and any economist worth their salt will agree that a slight increase in inflation is healthy for an economy.

    192. Re:Sounds good. by kermidge · · Score: 1

      Moderation? The keystone is intellectual honesty. It requires the integrity to be unflinchingly self-honest.

      One must be continually, often brutally, honest of perceptions, assumptions, predisposition, and doctrine, however and whence.

      One seeks not an arbitrary middle-ground, but rather grounds things through a personal lens based on learning, thought, and asking "if what I propose for them I suppose to be good, how would I feel, what would I think, were it to happen to me? What would I feel and think were I in their place? What are the ramifications for all of us?"

      One strives to find what is good for oneself, the generic individual, and the sum of individuals we deem society. Good encompasses right from wrong, value from price, demonstrable from assertion.

      It's a work in progress. Looks like a retirement project to me as well. Best I got, top of head.

      I suspect the hunt for moderates may remind us of Diogenes.

    193. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet they are still Democrats and are not actively ejected from the party, with the larger party withdrawing funds, or actively campaigning against them due to some failed purity test. Dems rarely vote as a block. It's the norm for the GOP. The Dems don't have an 'open tent' problem.

      The GOP does. Something they were painfully reminded of this past election. There aren't enough rich white (straight?) men to win an election as America as become far too diverse for that.

    194. Re:Sounds good. by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      Once things get posthumorous, they are not funny anymore.

    195. Re:Sounds good. by WGFCrafty · · Score: 1

      Hell, I'll settle for a party that has an internally consistent platform, instead of one demanding small government while paying billions of dollars to track down and house people for "feeling good". Moderation be damned, I want non-hypocrites so at least I know where I really stand.

      What you're looking for is not a US politician.

    196. Re:Sounds good. by WGFCrafty · · Score: 1

      Hell, if you're a Republican (I am) and believe that hurricanes are caused by high barometric pressure (I do)

      Jesus, you people can't get anything right! ;-)

    197. Re:Sounds good. by quacking+duck · · Score: 1

      Does this work when family members with TVs in different rooms all want to watch something different? Or would each nettop PC need a separate computer running XBMC?

      Not that I advocate a TV in every kid's bedroom, in fact just the opposite, but it's a definite and common use case.

    198. Re:Sounds good. by jkauzlar · · Score: 1

      No, the original poster wasn't talking about 'news' as such, but about where people get their information.

      This quote (from here) kind of backs up both our points on occupy vs. tea party:

      According to the Pew Research Center's Project for Excellence in Journalism, the Tea Party at its height of news attention (as of October 21, when the study was released) filled 7 percent of the newshole, during the week of April 13-19, 2009. That week, the young Tea Party engaged in major national protests marking Tax Day. Since then, the group has popped up again and again in news covered, albeit while garnering less attention.

      Occupy, meanwhile, increasingly occupied the media's time during its first three weeks of existence, peaking at 10 percent of the newshole during the week of October 10-16. Since then, it has remained a major storyline in the media, but coverage has fallen off. Still, it has remained in the spotlight relatively consistently since its birth.

      The point is it took 3 weeks for news coverage of occupy (anti-corporate) to take off, while the tea party (pro-corporate) was covered immediately. All the while, the occupy protests were much, much larger. You're right, occupy eventually 'won' the most media coverage, but rightfully so, it was larger and generated more interest nationwide.

    199. Re:Sounds good. by SoftwareArtist · · Score: 2

      Ummm... I think you just perfectly illustrated his point about the "magical balance fairy". One party has become so divorced from reality, most of the people they elect refuse to believe in basic truths like evolution and global warming, for which the evidence is absolutely overwhelming. On the other hand, you saw some drivers who you assumed were Democrats (though you had no way of actually knowing) insulting some protesters. Therefore, both sides are equally bad.

      It appears to me that one of these is not like the other.

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    200. Re:Sounds good. by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      Tiger Woods is "black" despite being twice as Asian and just as white.

      Children, your math problem for today is to figure out the ethnicity of Tiger Woods' parents.

    201. Re:Sounds good. by speederaser · · Score: 2

      I'm not an expert on Islam by any means, but I'm fairly sure that if you are born to a Muslim father, then Islam considers you to be a Muslim by birth. Assuming that that is correct, Barack Obama, Sr. was Muslim by birth, as is President Obama.

      In the United States of America we have this thing called Freedom of Religion, which means Mr. Obama can be whatever religion he chooses to be. Nobody gets to choose it for him.

    202. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't seem to understand...I want HBO and Showtime. I'm willing to pay the $12/mo I'd pay a cable company to get them. What I don't want is the basic cable package that's required to be able to get HBO and Showtime. The cheapest I've found is $24.99 for the first year and $49.99 for the rest of the 2-year contract.

      Why should I be forced to pay for ESPN, FX, Discovery, USA and all the other channels that come in the basic cable package when all I want is access to the streaming services? I should be allowed to give my money directly to HBO and Showtime in exchange for their streaming services. The only reason why the cable/satellite providers currently get a cut is collusion between them and the content producers. This bill is about ending that collusion, so internet services should be included.

    203. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and if Hillary Clinton won against Obama in the 2008 primaries instead, would you have said the same thing? After all, that one was fairly close for the longest time, and she would have been Clinton II administration-wise if she had won the job

      Considering the cabinet that Obama appointed it effectively is a Clinton II administration.

    204. Re:Sounds good. by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      to take money from the poor and give it to the wealthy

      How? I want everybody to keep their own money that they earned.

    205. Re:Sounds good. by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Ramen.

      What, that isn't a valid pun for Amen? ;-)

    206. Re:Sounds good. by martinQblank · · Score: 1

      Sad but true. Please excuse me while I get a beer to cry in...

    207. Re:Sounds good. by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      I think you mean "old biddy".

      Bitty means something tiny or small.
      Biddy is an old woman.

    208. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your "side" theory is not sound, here's why:

          The Republican party is primarily composed of aging white males, runs on a platform of 1950's style "separate but equal" equality rights for gays, minorities, etc..., and is deeply rooted in christian religious rhetoric.

          The Democrat party is primarily composed of young minorities, runs on a platform of equal rights for gays, minorities, etc..., and is predominantly non-theistic.

      To clarify the point here, one is "the party of old white men" and the other is "the party of everyone else".

    209. Re:Sounds good. by martinQblank · · Score: 1

      My wife isn't a techie either (despite a technically-oriented business degree (one of two degrees)) and she manages just fine with Netflix, Hulu and the steaming pile of stupidity that are the Networks and cable broadcasters that put shows online. Plus we save 100's every year by not being a part of the cable TV customer-base.

    210. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So rather than deny being any of those things your response is to excuse them because "hypocrisy"?

      You are saying that because Democrats call GOPers "bigots, hatefful, derps, tards, wackos, lunatics" it is OK for the GOP to be chock full of "bigots, hatefful, derps, tards, wackos, lunatics" since obviously calling a horse a horse is the same as being a horse yourself.

    211. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you have ever voted for a president you're a liar. Unless you voted for Martin Van Buren that is.

      All presidents bar one are directly descended from a medieval English king

        12-year-old girl created family tree linking 42 of 43 U.S. presidents to King John of England, who signed Magna Carta in 1215

        Only eighth president, Martin Van Buren, was not related to John

    212. Re:Sounds good. by quarterbuck · · Score: 1

      co

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    213. Re:Sounds good. by White+Flame · · Score: 1

      I hope that you actually vote 3rd party instead of just sigh during elections.

    214. Re:Sounds good. by White+Flame · · Score: 1

      I tried really, really hard to 'cut the cord' (or in this case 'ditch the dish') but after careful study, I found with a family of four, including two children, this just won't work.

      The reason why it won't work is that you haven't made the decision to cut your television watching, just thought about changing the means. If you decide you're going to be a no-TV family, then do that. Sure, watch your occasional movies, read your news articles online, buy a sports feed, buy or download some programs for the kids if you want, but the "flip on the tube and watch whatever's on for a while" is something that's worth looking at eliminating for its own benefit.

    215. Re:Sounds good. by White+Flame · · Score: 1

      The problem is that it isn't a free market. There are too few competitors, and they all work to eliminate more newcomers to the field.

      I agree that if laws were changed and startups who want to pursue becoming cable providers could do so, that competition would work. I don't think that's going to happen, so the 2nd option is to regulate what these few gatekeepers are allowed to do to try to keep from screwing everybody over.

    216. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He doesn't need a study, he's got his gut-instincts, like a true "Maverick". In other words he's one of the derps, you should be ignoring him.

    217. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of this is great and is exactly what I have as well as Roku. BUT, the Free Cable repository didn't work, and Hulu plugin isn't even supported anymore. Only YouTube of the three you listed worked out, and it has been *awesome* but... It's okay, I don't even bother with Hulu through it anymore, I just use the 1Channel plugin. Most of my content is watched on Roku via Hulu Plus and Netflix, I only need 1Channel for content that is not on Netflix and for Hulu content that is "Web Only" (because fuck them for making that shit web only).

    218. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I read a different article (I won't give Daily Fail the clicks), but she's also selling the chart she made.

      The real truth is none of those children were King John's. There were all bastards that his cheating wife had with the piss-boy.

      Seriously, genealogy (even with online databases) is not all that easy and you'd have to take a lot of leaps of faith that information even as late as the 19th century is very complete or accurate. Can you even imagine how many descendants King John must have by now and how distantly related they must be?

      I'm just a little skeptical of her research.

    219. Re:Sounds good. by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. They're in a US torture camp because they were kidnapped and illegally transported there.

      Guantanimo is mainly people people captured in battle, usually in Afghanistan there was no kidnapping. Nor were most of them tortured. They were foreigners (non Afghans) who were not part of Afghan tribes and lawfully expelled to the USA by the government of Afghanistan (the Northern Alliance). If the Taliban had been a regular army, and they had been soldiers in that, things would have been less complex.

      Just let them fucking go. They'll find somewhere to live. Or maybe - just maybe - give them a house in fucking Florida.

      You can't release them somewhere you have to release them to something. They are in a military base. Release to the USA is illegal by act of congress. That's the point of the discussion that Obama can't release them.

      Maybe if you stop cursing y

    220. Re:Sounds good. by Cederic · · Score: 1

      So they were lawfully expelled to the USA but release to the USA is illegal?

      You're so full of shit you even think that "Nor were most of them tortured." is a valid reposte.

      Maybe if I stop cursing y

    221. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very true. I'm pretty bad about that. I keep the TV on almost all the time though mostly for background noise. I cut cable last year because I was sick of paying for it, but I do the same with the local channels anyway. There's usually something on one of the PBS subchannels (I "watch" a lot of news - or rather I keep it on in the background), but since I'll be switching from cable internet to DSL shortly I'll probably lose those as well.

      So, I asked myself what I really cared about and it was mostly PBS anyway and I decided I could watch all that online or as I was pleasantly surprised, PBS just added an app on Roku - as in 3 days ago.

      I haven't looked at it, but there's also PBS Kids which I presume has Barney and whatever else they have for kids on PBS.

    222. Re:Sounds good. by jbolden · · Score: 1

      So they were lawfully expelled to the USA but release to the USA is illegal?

      Yep.

    223. Re:Sounds good. by nobaloney · · Score: 1

      Ramen.

      What, that isn't a valid pun for Amen? ;-)

      This is Slashdot... if you need to explain it, don't bother.

    224. Re:Sounds good. by nobaloney · · Score: 1

      OK, fine. Have it your way. I am hereby Catholic!

      So can I now go take Communion in a Catholic Church? No? Why not?

      Have you tried? While I'm not a Catholic I have attended Catholic Mass. And I have seen lots of people take Communion without having to show any kind of identity card. Sure it might be hard in a small local church, but in a large church in a resort town, or even a small chapel in a town with a large transient tourist population, I don't see how you could be easily stopped.

    225. Re:Sounds good. by IHateEverybody · · Score: 1

      If you really want to be precise about it then that old lady did not claim that Obama is a Muslim, she claimed that he is an Arab.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QhJJBfwJME

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    226. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The funny thing is that GOP folks call people calling people hateful hateful because it is hateful to express opposition to hatefulness, Am I crazy, or is this what we call hypocrisy?

    227. Re: Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      McCain will never win after picking Sarah Palin as a running mate in 2008. Anyone with judgment that poor doesn't belong anywhere near the Oval Office.

    228. Re:Sounds good. by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      So I need to be tolerant of the intolerant?

      I hate to tell you, but the intolerance blows hard in both directions. See also increasingly strident anti-smoking laws, the censorship of right-leaning speakers and views on college campuses, etc.

      You either tolerate viewpoints you don't agree with, or you yourself are just as intolerant as the folks you claim are such. If you do not agree with it, or you think it should go away? You can only persuade, not ban.

      It's like pregnancy - you can't do it just a little bit.

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    229. Re:Sounds good. by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      That is because the racists do.

      Your non-sequitur aside, I'd like to see some evidence of your claim. I provided evidence of mine (though to be honest George Zimmerman's sudden whiteness by the media, and the recent NM Governor's statement about Cruz not 'really a hispanic" seem to prove an exception to my statement... oh well. )

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    230. Re:Sounds good. by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      One party has become so divorced from reality, most of the people they elect refuse to believe in basic truths like evolution [...]

      Evidence, please. Your burden is to show that the majority of elected GOP officials categorically stated that evolution as proposed by Darwin is somehow false.

      Good luck with that.

      I challenged this because I strongly suspect that you're making assumptions based on what you may have heard or had pre-digested for you. If you truly want to make an informed opinion, you have to dig deeper and get the facts yourself, not have it spoon-fed to you.

       

      ...and global warming,

      "global warming" as you state it is not yet settled science, nor is global anthropomorphic-caused climate change as the IPCC's political wing would have you believe it. Therefore, there is plenty of room for disagreement. Besides, the latter, allegedly based on science, is supposed to be openly challenged. That's how science works.

      On the other hand, you saw some drivers who you assumed were Democrats (though you had no way of actually knowing)...

      I live in Multnomah County. Go check the voting records around here sometime... odds are perfect that if some yahoo was screaming foul epithets at pro-life protesters (and their children, incidentally), odds are good that their passion comes from a left-leaning source. Quibble all you want about the presence of Green or Socialist parties, but the statistics are against you.

      insulting some protesters.

      ...and throwing trash of various hardness, hurtling death threats, etc. But yeah, that's cool if your side does it, right? After all, they're only fighting for what you believe in (whatever that may be, since your copious use of buzzwords indicates that your opinions may not have necessarily come from your own contemplation and reasoning).

      I detest both political parties. I cannot stand the toxic buzzword-laces spoon-fed propaganda that either side tries to soak minds with. I do however try to seek out and listen to reasoned opinions from all sides of the political spectrum. Want an example? Check out the Dalai Lama's current visit here in PDX, and the ongoing conversations with Jewish and Catholic (among other) participants. I learn a lot that way.

      What I cannot stand anymore is the political posts that generate a shit-ton of astroturfers, and idiots who get on their digital soapbox and do nothing more than prove they're mere sheeple who angrily amplify what they've (albeit consented to be) told to think. Then you get the folks who picked up the latest-greatest (to them) arguments from their college prof, who plow in and think they're some sort of intellectual badass, looking for a duel to prove their brainhood.

      Screw that - I just solicit and incite opinions to learn, and happily discard that which is obvious regurgitation of propaganda... from either side.

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    231. Re:Sounds good. by bhiestand · · Score: 1
      Stop! Godwintime! Is it hypocrisy for a rapist to call Hitler a murderer? Now that the purge is complete, the GOP is almost exclusively hateful, at least in terms of policies and rhetoric. And with the Southern Strategy it has become an umbrella organization for hate groups. I'm going to write a list of hypothetical people and let you guess which party they most likely belong to:
      • Someone who advocates the violent overthrow of the federal government
      • Someone who believes certain types of doctors deserve to be murdered
      • A KKK member
      • Someone who believes the poor are moochers
      • An old man who calls a young woman a slut
      • Parents who disown their child for their sexual choices

      The DP has their share of assholes, but, while the GOP encourages their crazies, the extreme left is not tolerated within the Democratic Party.

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    232. Re: Sounds good. by terrell.harris · · Score: 1

      42

    233. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But we have a RIGHT to cable TV! It's in the Constitution!

      OTOH, while he's wasting time on crap like this, he isn't destroying the country as fast as before.

    234. Re:Sounds good. by SoftwareArtist · · Score: 1

      "global warming" as you state it is not yet settled science, nor is global anthropomorphic-caused climate change as the IPCC's political wing would have you believe it.

      Yes it is. We passed that point long ago.

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      "I'm too busy to research this and form an educated opinion, but I do have time to tell everyone my uninformed opinion."
    235. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is the same desire for us in Canada to select the channels we want, rather than groups of channels. The problem for Canadians is requirements for Culture, and for some of the revenue from the big 5 to redistribute to the needed channels. Such channels are similar to PBS, (CBC Radio sneaks in), Television for Aboriginals, and also delivery to of TV signals and Internet to remote (far North) regions.
      In a positive way, if it came to pass, we would see Fox news disappear from distribution, due to lack of interest. We would be looking for quality entertainment, and not necessarily more quality National Geographic or similar stuff.

      I for one would want some French and Spanish Channels. I learned that I could follow with a dictionary at first, but after a while, I understood both languages. No, I was not born with parents or relatives speaking either of the two.

       

    236. Re:Sounds good. by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      Your cite has one problem.... in its very first sentence, it presents this tidbit.

      My statement therefore stands, as settled science means there is no credible opposition - there are too many credible scientists in the list I cited. ;)

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    237. Re:Sounds good. by ZombieBraintrust · · Score: 1

      Yeah anything more distant than great grandfather doesn't count. No one voted for Obama because he was descended from King John. I think democracy is safe. Plus genetically it is probably safe to have children with your great great grandparent(assuming no incest in the generations between you an him/her)

    238. Re:Sounds good. by jseale · · Score: 1

      you can't watch live sporting events over the internet jackass

      Ahem, Major League Baseball, NBA and NHL let you watch live events online these days, and on your TV if you have their streaming apps on your Roku or other boxen of that ilk. The NFL will probably NEVER pony up with this kinda' thing in our lifetime unfortunately.

    239. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think you're giving him enough credit. For one thing, low pressure somewhere means high pressures elsewhere. Although, he might have also realized that gay marriage, much like a butterfly flapping its wings, could be to blame for a hurricane.

      The real blame lies with the sun, and the rotation of the earth, producing the Coriolis effect. Mix in a little warm water, and BAM, hurricane Sandy.

    240. Re:Sounds good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Less a political distinction, and more a cranky-old-man idea.

    241. Re:Sounds good. by jamstar7 · · Score: 1

      It's friday, have a sense of humor : )

      Sorry, I'm a Republican (or at least a RINO, according to the current party structure), my sense of humor was surgically removed.

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    242. Re:Sounds good. by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      Here at the Church of the FSM, we do posthumorous baptisms!

      Huh. Who knew that LDS worshiped FSM?

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    243. Re:Sounds good. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      if you are born to a Muslim father, then Islam considers you to be a Muslim by birth.

      Who cares? You can consider me to be an aardvark, but I don't eat ants.

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    244. Re:Sounds good. by MMC+Monster · · Score: 1

      I use the Free Cable plugin almost every night. Maybe you have to make sure yours is being updated?

      I don't know about the Hulu plugin. Haven't used that in a couple months.

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    245. Re:Sounds good. by jwhitener · · Score: 1

      I live in Portland also. I don't think a few personal incidents show balance between the far right and far left in terms of blind ideology and hatred. The far right is way further away from main stream than the far left. Even more so if you put both those extremes in a world context.

      I mean, just compare belief in mainstream science between the far left and far right. Far far left: some percent X might be.... say skeptical of vaccines or genetically modified crops without much scientific evidence on their side. Far far right: 99% of them don't believe in evolution, one of the most widely studied and evidence based theories of all time. Completely different levels of crazy.

    246. Re:Sounds good. by jwhitener · · Score: 1

      I'd have to see those termed applied to a specific ideology or person, but you can assign all those descriptors to something or someone without hating the target. If the definition fits...

      Take a listen to Pat Robertson's latest wonderful comments for example: http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/pat-robertson-cheating-comments-males-tendency-wander-19200017

      I think most people would say it would be accurate to call those views sexiest. And Pat Robertson is by no means as far right as most of the far right in this country.

  2. Finally!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I can have my dream package of just home shopping networks, pay-per-view previews and c-span!

    1. Re:Finally!! by Mike+Buddha · · Score: 1

      Get the basic basic cable package, the one you don't need a box for. I do and I get all that plus local broadcasts, WGN, and Discovery (I have no idea why they show me Pay-Per-View previews, I can't order them). That's it. WGN might be a little too stimulating for you though...

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    2. Re:Finally!! by optikos · · Score: 1

      *THIS* is exactly what would happen in the aftermath of enacting McCain's plan. Why are the Republicans like McCain for Big Government & populist heavy-handed government regulation now?

    3. Re:Finally!! by Farmer+Pete · · Score: 1

      Since those are the networks that create revenue for the cable companies, would that mean that they would pay you to sign up?

    4. Re:Finally!! by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 2

      Passing a regulation is not automatically a "Big Government heavy-handed move". There is no equivalency there. Certain propaganda that is constantly being drummed into our heads only makes some of us THINK it's there. Yes, Virginia, some things deserve to be regulated.

    5. Re:Finally!! by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Then let the regulatory agency do their job.

      Not pass utter bullshit laws.

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    6. Re:Finally!! by bmk67 · · Score: 1

      I have no idea why they show me Pay-Per-View previews, I can't order them.

      To incentivize you to upgrade to a package / equipment / etc where you could order them, that's why.

    7. Re:Finally!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      cable companies make almost nothing on tv service, blaming non a la carte of cable companies is laughable

    8. Re:Finally!! by jamstar7 · · Score: 1

      WGN might be a little too stimulating for you though...

      Yeah, too much Matlock isn't good for you.

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    9. Re:Finally!! by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Really ass-wipe, you like TV providers forcing channels down your throat that get reamed up the ass by content providers that force them to bundle channels?

      Do tell.

    10. Re:Finally!! by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Holy crap, take your prozac man. I said nothing like that.

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    11. Re:Finally!! by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Then let the regulatory agency do their job.

      Not pass utter bullshit laws.

      If the regulatory agencies were not so completely captured by the industries that they regulate, we wouldn't need to pass laws to force them to do their jobs.

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    12. Re:Finally!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit. If the cable companies stopped offering networks people actually wanted everyone would go back to antennas. The cable networks can't live without cable, they would adjust to the new regulations or die.

      Since you're so dead set against government regulation, how about we lagalize all theft? Because making you pay a hundred bucks for a hundred channels when you only watch five or ten is highway robbery.

      I'm guessing you either weren't alive before environmental regulations, or you're one of those assholes who don't mind dirtying up your neighbor's air and wate for your own personal gain (like RP; he's old enough to know how utterly nasty the environment was in the 1950s and 1960s.

      If OSHA had been around in 1959 my grandfather would have lived another 40 years. The only problem with government regulations is the industry that is being regulated has too much of a say in them, and the regulations don't have enough teeth. Take the Sago Mine disaster a few years ago, had the mine followed the regulations, two dozen men would not have died there. Someone should have gone to pound in the ass prison for a long time over that.

      You know, the laws against murder and kidnapping are government regulations, you'd like to get rid of them, too? Your argument is retarded.

    13. Re:Finally!! by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      As a strong anti-regulation libertarian myself, even I will accept and even encourage certain forms of regulation. Namely the EPA to "keep london tidy", and anything to break apart monopolies. What McCain suggests here falls in line with my anti-monopoly stance.

      I also hold that opinion on other subjects that many self identified leftists hate though. For example, I like right to work laws (yes, these are regulations) because they break up the monopoly on the supply of labor that labor unions create. That monopoly harms both the workers and the employers (the workers become the product of the union, and are forced to pay the labor union and support all of its heavy handed lobbying efforts, even if they disagree with it politically - if you don't want to fund their cause, then they can legally force your employer to fire you - a very anti-democratic practice. The employer thus has to bend to the union rules, including answering to demands such as featherbedding - where for example, after the invention of shipping containers, the dock workers unions forced the companies to hire people to remove the individual contents of a shipping container and load them into another shipping container on the ship, instead of simply using a crane to move the entire container over at once.)

      You as a customer hate when a company has a monopoly. An employer is a customer of its employees in a sense, and it's not fair when they have to answer to a monopoly either.

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    14. Re:Finally!! by FuzzyDustBall · · Score: 1

      Well yes actually.. there are only 2 outcomes for a La carte programming:
      1. Cable companies only offer the most popular channels, which probably don't line up with what I like.
      2. Cable companies will charge a high fee per channel to cover the less purchased channels and I end up paying the same or more for less.

    15. Re:Finally!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Strawman arguments are lies.

    16. Re:Finally!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Imagine you're a cable provider. You created a cable network hosting all kinds of programming. It's YOURS, you created it from the bottom up. The programming on your cable network is similar in that somebody sponsored the creation or at least decided what content will be on their "channel's" programming.

      Hell, just imagine you had a product that you created that you wanted to sell. Now, Imagine the Govt comes along and tells you who/what/how you're going to distribute/sell it for and for what price. If you don't think the Govt telling you who/what/when/how you can distribute your product to is "Big Govt" you really don't understand the concept.

      PS: Don't tell me "TV needs to be regulated", it needs to be regulated like the Roman Colosseum needed a stream of slaves to distract the public. As if society would crumble if networks weren't censored to the point of being told what to show. On the contrary, if major news networks were allowed to actually do some "good journalism" society might even benefit from it.

      MSNMB/CNN/FOX, there's your result of "required regulating" of media by Govt. I'm all for govt regulation for the public interest (like keeping corporations from dumping nuclear waste in the water supply) but deciding how/when/how entertainment can be viewed (by law CNN/Fox/all television networks are entertainment, not "news")? Really?

  3. Isn't that called "the internet"? by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have a feeling this will all be moot soon. Youtube are about to unveil subscription channels, and we already have Hulu, Netflix, etc. All we need is an idiot-proof box for the living room so that grandma can surf all these channels with her "clicker" and we'll forget there ever was such a thing as cable tv.

    1. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by binarylarry · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Whats TV?

      Oh I know, it's that thing old people talk about.

      What is this, Korea?

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    2. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Do you think the cable companies (who are largely owned by the major players in the copyright lobby) are ever going to allow that to happen?

      They'll fight that tooth and nail, and pay off enough lawmakers to get what they want.

      If ever such a magic box exists, it will be locked down and entirely controlled by the media industry, and set up to guarantee them ad revenue and deny you any rights. Then we'll be right back where we are now.

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    3. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      I came here to post exactly this. Conventional TV channels need to appreciate that technology has created a viable alternative and, like it or not, they have to compete with it. Most of our terrestrial channels know this and have launched catch-up and/or live TV apps on a decent range of platforms, that carry advertising to pay the bills. I'm quite pleased to see that even Sky, that bastion of awfulness, has come to terms with the fact that its business model may be ending and has launched a streaming (live and on demand) subscription package for its channels.

      Tellingly, Fox doesn't let them stream The Simpsons. Talk about the left and right hand not knowing what they're doing.

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    4. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by CQDX · · Score: 1

      I have a feeling this will all be moot soon. Youtube are about to unveil subscription channels, and we already have Hulu, Netflix, etc. All we need is an idiot-proof box for the living room so that grandma can surf all these channels with her "clicker" and we'll forget there ever was such a thing as cable tv.

      A Roku does that nicely.

    5. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by h4rr4r · · Score: 0

      Clearly you do, else you would not have responded.

    6. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This doesn't stop sports black outs though. I subscribed to the NHL ice application so that I could catch hockey games without a subscription; but over half the games are blacked out (including all play off games), which wasn't advertised prominently when I purchased the service. As such I can't actually use the service I'm paying a decent amount of money for, so I'm cancelling it.

      If you don't remove the black outs, then a Le Carte dies, even on the internet.

      Regular shows are easier, yes; but stuff still disappears: I spent 5 years converting my wife into a sci-fi fan, only to discover that a couple of the series I'd been waiting to watch had been pulled from our streaming service due to contracts with cable companies.

      And really, the only thing that's forcing us to forgo cable is that we don't want to pay for all the stuff we don't want. I'd gladly pay for just the following channels, if they didn't come with the burden of getting everything else...

      HBO/Stars/The Weather Channel/AMC/Maybe Discovery?

      I'm not a fan of McCain, but I could get behind this... my bet is he has investments that pay off if this happens. Of course if Obama expresses any kind of support, you can bet McCain will pull his. So this is doomed.

    7. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      You'd think so, and they'll certainly try, but in the end, they won't be able to stop it forever. It will just delay the inevitable.

    8. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by darkwing_bmf · · Score: 1

      Roku doesn't do YouTube yet.

    9. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Bullshit, if sky or any of your networks had smartend up I would be able to get their apps here in North America.

      I will pay the TV tax today if you let me access iPlayer. Here that BBC? Here that Populace of the UK? You could let us foreigners pay your TV tax and have that much more funding or lower the tax on yourselves.

    10. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Hear, not here. WTF, did I just do there?

    11. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'd like to believe that, but what I've seen over the last bunch of years says that the copyright and media groups are winning the battle, and lawmakers are all too willing to give them what they want.

      Between the DMCA, seemingly indefinite copyrights, and everything else, I don't see how we're going to make this inevitable.

      It's beginning to look more like a world where the media companies control everything is inevitable.

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    12. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      Whats TV?

      It's that big thing in the living room that I plug my HDMI cable into so I can get a sweet PC gaming experience, or to watch downloaded shows with the missus. Oh, it also plays my old DVD collection pretty nicely too.

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    13. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by binarylarry · · Score: 1

      Oh grandpa, how I love your elderly ways.

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    14. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      I came here to post exactly this. Conventional TV channels need to appreciate that technology has created a viable alternative and, like it or not, they have to compete with it. Most of our terrestrial channels know this and have launched catch-up and/or live TV apps on a decent range of platforms, that carry advertising to pay the bills. I'm quite pleased to see that even Sky, that bastion of awfulness, has come to terms with the fact that its business model may be ending and has launched a streaming (live and on demand) subscription package for its channels.

      Yes, because streaming one stream per viewer is far more efficient bandwidth wise than broadcasting it to everyone. After all, bandwidth needs of the former scale linearly while it stays flat with the latter. The real problem happens when something big happens and everyone turns on their TV - I don't think handling the 300M-odd TVs is possible right now. (Most streaming networks have far fewer streams than that).

      Of course, companies like Netflix do it by not bogging down the Internet - but by creating CDNs and putting them in ISP data centers - because the ISP to subscriber link, despite oversubscription, is still fatter than the ISP to internet peering link.

      Anyhow, if you have seen TV, you'll note that each network of channels have been moving their flagship shows to the secondary channels as well - the other channels in the network get older seasons. This is so popular shows people watch together end up being on different channels, so they have to purchase both channels in the a la carte model. (On the bundle model, they're usually "free" because they're bundled together). So while you used to just ignore the dozen other Discovery-owned channels for the main one, soon you have to purchase at least half of them because the main channel has moved new seasons to other channels.

      At least that's what I've seen - I've had to check a few channels because they seem to move channels a lot.

    15. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An Apple TV does it much better.

    16. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      Now we just need super-cybernetic implants and we'll be a Cyber-punk inspired world, economically the corporations have more power than the government as it is...

    17. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by newcastlejon · · Score: 1

      I will pay the TV tax today if you let me access iPlayer. Here that BBC? Here that Populace of the UK? You could let us foreigners pay your TV tax and have that much more funding or lower the tax on yourselves.

      If you lot start paying "tax"* you'll get odd ideas about having a say in how the money is spent. That didn't end well for us last time, and that was before the Kardashians.

      Thanks, but no thanks.

      *FYI it's not a tax, strictly speaking.

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    18. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      I'd like to believe that, but what I've seen over the last bunch of years says that the copyright and media groups are winning the battle, and lawmakers are all too willing to give them what they want.

      Between the DMCA, seemingly indefinite copyrights, and everything else, I don't see how we're going to make this inevitable.

      It's beginning to look more like a world where the media companies control everything is inevitable.

      tell that to the pirate bay

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    19. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      "All we need is an idiot-proof box for the living room so that grandma can surf all these channels with her "clicker" and we'll forget there ever was such a thing as cable tv."

      Oh, something we don't have now. Concept.

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    20. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      "Whats TV?"

      It's this moving picture stuff your getting on your phone. You know, instead of actual content, and smaller than your older brother remembers.

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    21. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Gave the Queen aneurysms, most likely. I think that's why they don't let us watch their television. They're afraid we might learn something about the language.

    22. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Nope, my slogan is "Taxation without Representation", I think it is pretty catchy.

      Now hand over the Doctor, anthor season of Sherlock, TopGear and where the heck is the next season of Luther?

    23. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      Only old people think of the media and the medium as one unified thing...just like you did.

    24. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Copyright laws and regional licensing stop that being a viable proposition. If UK networks paid for rights to show the programmes worldwide they would have to pay a lot more for them.

    25. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      tell that to the pirate bay

      Yes, because they're operating with impunity.

      Swedish prosecutor Fredrik Ingblad has filed a motion at the District Court of Stockholm, requesting for the seizure of thepiratebay.se, piratebay.se and the new thepiratebay.is domains.

      So far they've been playing a shell game with domains, but they're being pretty aggressively pursued.

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    26. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      yeah, really... HDMI cables ?

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    27. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 1

      The real fight is going to be about net neutrality. My cable company happens to own my internet pipe, and they're certainly not requiring me to buy their cable tv service. (I wouldn't consider it!) The streaming and VOD channels are already out there, and there will be many more. As long as the ISP doesn't block the packets from reaching me, there isn't much they can do to stop this. That's why I mentioned net neutrality.

    28. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

      Roku doesn't do YouTube anymore.

      TFTFY. My Roku device has a YouTube channel, but AIUI YouTube and Roku conspired to remove it from the private channels list for new installs. And they want me to upgrade to a newer device... ha! My kids absolutely love it, if that's any indication of what the future holds.

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    29. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Somebody who doesn't watch TV.....

    30. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by Farmer+Pete · · Score: 1

      I'll just keep pirating. I'd pay the "Tax" if I could, but I'm not going to get BBC America, since it's often in the top tier of providers listings. It's not worth $60-70 a month. I'd pay $2-5 a month.

    31. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll just keep pirating.

      As a person who pays the TV License, I have no problem with you doing that. I was going to pay for it anyway, you may as well enjoy it too.

      Even the BBC are fairly relaxed about it: Top Gear have mentioned that they (were) the worlds most pirated TV show, on the show itself.

    32. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And after the first week run out of the "bandwidth" that the ISP allows.

    33. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      So far they've been playing a shell game with domains, but they're being pretty aggressively pursued.

      Fine -- even if Pirate Bay disappears (or even the whole torrent-sharing apparatus), a hundred more things like it will arise. People have been claiming that a dystopic future where media can never be shared will happen ever since the first MPAA complaints against Napster almost 15 years ago.

      What we've seen in the meantime is a gradual -- yes gradual -- move toward greater (legal) access to ever more media at cheaper prices, but yes, accompanied by greater demands for DRM and licensing.

      If there's one thing people will get up-in-arms over in modern democracy, it's access to crappy television, movies, and music. If the licensing and DRM stuff gets out of control, there will be push-back... and that's even if governments basically shut down the internet, which is the only way that things like the Pirate Bay will all end completely. (Which would likely lead to outright revolt... eventually.)

      What's more likely is that the major media companies will eventually find ways to license the media in a way that makes it more convenient, with more variety, and at a significantly lower cost to consumers than they paid 15-20 years ago before file-sharing started.

      It may not be the world you dreamed of where "all information is free" and unicorns fly around rainbows, but it will make 99.9% of couch potatoes happier and give them more and better access than they had before.

      And meanwhile, there will probably still be some things like the Pirate Bay floating around.

      It's beginning to look more like a world where the media companies control everything is inevitable.

      Maybe... but those media companies had a lot of control before the internet. And I sincerely doubt we're returning to a place where there is less opportunity for free exchange of information than there was before the internet anytime soon -- even with some further restrictions.

    34. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whats TV?

      It's the country code for Tuvalu. It's popular with media content services as, I believe, it alludes to some 20th century device that people watched content on...I think it was like a tablet, only bigger and it had it's own stand so you didn't have to hold it.

    35. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The BBC really want to do that, but they don't own the rights to most of the programmes.

    36. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      so even if they have all domain names taken away they will still have an onion site and good luck trying to hunt that down. then there is freenet and i2p. then there are the smaller/newer/experiemnetal darknets like Netsukuku GNUnet anoNet RetroShare OneSwarm. And even if p2p fails there is the good old Sneakernet. Ideally then we would all just switch to using double public key encryption par files and distribute thing f2f via whatever system you want to share files dropbox ftps pasetbin email irc/xmpp file sharing bots. they wont be able to stop you from sharing bits as long as there is portable storage or the internet remains a two way pipe.

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    37. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This absolutely will not work for hardcore folks.

      Data caps are a bitch.

    38. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      I don't know about you, but if I was being aggressively pursued by some of the biggest corporations and governments around, and I am still operating for an extended period of time... I'd say that they've already won, even if they eventually manage to contain that one site and throw them all in jail.

      The cat is out of the bag. I'm not suggesting that the war is even close to over yet, but it's clear that there could be a positive outcome that does not rely on the media pulling it's punches.

    39. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      People have been claiming that a dystopic future where media can never be shared will happen ever since the first MPAA complaints against Napster almost 15 years ago

      And in that time, we've seen the media companies get more and more aggressive, and gain increasing clout given that they are now involved in the process of writing treaties with other countries.

      What's more likely is that the major media companies will eventually find ways to license the media in a way that makes it more convenient, with more variety, and at a significantly lower cost to consumers than they paid 15-20 years ago before file-sharing started.

      What, like how CDs were supposed to make music cheaper? From what I've seen, the media companies want to squeeze every last dime out of us, and have no interest whatsoever in lowering consumer costs. Lower costs for them is just an opportunity to increase profit, not lower the prices we pay.

      It may not be the world you dreamed of where "all information is free" and unicorns fly around rainbows

      Oddly enough, I've never dreamed of that world, and I've always thought the "information wants to be free" meme was stupid since I first heard it. But I do expect to keep my fair-use rights.

      And I sincerely doubt we're returning to a place where there is less opportunity for free exchange of information than there was before the internet anytime soon

      Really? When companies can submit bullshit DMCA claims on stuff they don't own or to stop negative reviews, or where we lose our fair use rights to format shift because we'd have to circumvent a digital lock, or because they don't want to grant an exemption which allows for libraries to read to children, or not allowing blind people to access stuff ... and you don't think we're getting less opportunity for free exchange of information?

      I believe these companies are trying very hard to take away any rights which they feel undercuts their belief they need to control all technology to protect their interests. We're talking about lobby groups who believe the photocopier should be outlawed because you could steal from them, and demand that all technology be crippled from the outset to be sure they control how it gets used.

      Obviously, I have no idea of how this will turn out in the long run, but I certainly believe companies are doing their damdest to stack the deck against us, and it's hard not to believe they're winning given some of the IP clauses the US has been pushing on other countries via treaties and at the behest of the copyright lobby.

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    40. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a) If you paid our TV Tax you wouldn't get representation - I think that was important to you at some point in the past.
      b) It's not a tax, it's a license. Which invalidates point a), but whatever ;-)
      c) We don't want your money. That would just turn it into a commercial enterprise and pander to lowest common denominator TV we have to put up with from non-BBC channels.

      Maybe get PBS to do a deal with the Beeb or something and give them your money?

    41. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by aztracker1 · · Score: 1

      Back when I had cable/satellite tv, I would have loved a box that let me "hide" the channels I don't watch, don't have or are otherwise not interested in. Would have made going through the guide so much better... you don't get that typically, and it is annoying. My last experience was a networked cable-card setup... only to find out that the HD package was separate (for a cable-card setup in 2012, they should have at least tried to sell me it), and that half the channels that were available locally were "locked" because the cable-card device wasn't directly attached to the display... I returned the cable-card about a half an hour later, and haven't had a non-internet based tv service connected since.

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    42. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by pianophile · · Score: 1

      I have a YouTube channel on my Roku, which I added long ago, when I was on a v1 Roku, IIRC. Still works with a newer model.

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    43. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by k6mfw · · Score: 1

      yes. back in 20th century they showed old movies on TV which was a huge timepit for me. Now 13% in 21st century, youtube is my huge timepit.

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    44. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by antdude · · Score: 1

      The problem is not everything are on the same services. Netflix doesn't always carry the latest episodes, movies, etc. :(

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    45. Re: Isn't that called "the internet"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're doing it wrong

    46. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      You still have data caps? How quaint.

    47. Re:Isn't that called "the internet"? by Hamsterdan · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't mind giving a shot at Mickey Mouse governing my country, heck, even Goofy couldn't do worse than Harper.

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  4. WHY!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Is this man not president?!

    inb4 trolls

    1. Re:WHY!? by Antipater · · Score: 5, Informative

      Palin.

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    2. Re:WHY!? by SirGarlon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Partly, bad timing: his party's brand was tarnished by George W. Bush. Partly, bad choice of running mate.

      Blame the party leadership, not McCain himself.

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    3. Re:WHY!? by Nimey · · Score: 3, Informative

      I think the man's entirely responsible for his choice of running mates, TYVM.

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    4. Re:WHY!? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Why?

      He had to ok the choice of the running mate. He failed to distance himself from GWB, nor speak ill of him in anyway.

      McCain sold out and lost because of it.

    5. Re:WHY!? by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      Well, and there was McCain swinging around to support a lot of the republicans' worst ideas to win the primary. Say what you want about Obama, his bad ideas are pretty much entirely his own, and don't represent the extreme left in even the slightest.

    6. Re:WHY!? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      He had lost by the time he had to correct that old lady claiming obama was a muslim. It was crystal clear then that all he had was the nutbags and racists.

    7. Re:WHY!? by uniquename72 · · Score: 1

      If the John McCain of 2000 had rerun in 2008, he would have won easily.

      Instead the New & Improved John McCain embraced all the things that even Republicans hated about Bush, refusing to address the massive spending spree or the vast expansion of government size and authority overseen by Bush and the Republican Congress from 2000 to 2006.

      And then he chose a moron as a running mate.

    8. Re:WHY!? by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      Palin was an issue, but the real reason was all George W. Bush. Biden is no less colorful in his own way than Palin is. The reason he didn't torpedo Obama? Because he is the Vice President and no one really gives a shit. He might have been more tame than Palin this last election, but if dumbass comments are all you need to get your election chances torpedoed, Uncle Joe has a much, much longer history of "foot in mouth" disease that could have been trundled out.

    9. Re:WHY!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You mean Palin the sweatheart of Busting the Oil Companies Balls in Alaska and the Crusader against the "Good Olde Politcal Boys" Club in Alaska who had many positive Articles written about her BEFORE August 2008, but then who after the 2008 RNC convention was worse than Ming the Merciless accroding to the same people who wrote the glowing articles about her not one month ago....

      The same Palin that had quotes miss-attrributed to her that were spoken by a half rate SNL actress...

      Yeah, that Palin....

    10. Re:WHY!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He is also a good example of a reasonable, moderate person being corrupted by his party in order to appeal to those on the far right.

      I used to enjoy watching him on The Daily Show because although he had different viewpoints, he always seemed fair and engaging opposite Stewart.

      Then the campaign started, and you could just see the puppet masters pulling his strings and changing him...

    11. Re:WHY!? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      You need to give up on the conspiracies.

      The GOP did this all by themselves. They decided to chase the racist and far right wing votes, there are not enough of those to get the whitehouse. No conspiracy needed.

      Him being a mormon, only mattered to folks who would never vote for a black president anyway.

    12. Re:WHY!? by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

      McCain wanted Lieberman for a running mate, but he obediently followed his advisers' recommendations for Palin. Blame HIS leadership.

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    13. Re:WHY!? by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      He's not totally responsible in any sense. For one thing, there is no constitutional requirement to link the offices. They are very much separate offices, the linkage is just the result of an evolution of the way the elections are done based on the peculiarities of how both offices work.

      Oh, the candidate can raise a stink if he hates the VP choice, but there is usually a committee formed by the campaign staff, outside consultants, and party brass to nominate acceptable candidates, and frequently the VP candidate will be the one calculated to do something like bring in key states or a segment of the population. The fact that the candidate may personally dislike their running mate is not uncommon at all.

    14. Re:WHY!? by Jawnn · · Score: 1

      Partly, bad timing: his party's brand was tarnished by George W. Bush. Partly, bad choice of running mate.

      Blame the party leadership, not McCain himself.

      You forgot about the GOP's ever-increasingly out of step positions on "social issues". It was for that reason that they had their ass handed to them in the last election.

    15. Re:WHY!? by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      Which wasn't really his fault. I don't blame McCain for that. The racists practically screamed constantly in favor of republicans for as long as Obama was clearly a contender. Obama's mere existence metastasized a racism cancer that was already in the GOP, through no action on their own part.

      In 2010 when they embraced that broadly, that's where they started being culpable.

    16. Re:WHY!? by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      You mean the one that chanted "drill baby drill"?

      She sold out to big oil and the Good olde boys network for her endorsement. She flip flopped and was called on it.

    17. Re:WHY!? by Shatrat · · Score: 1

      That's probably not the case. It seems like these days a presidential candidate is chosen for broad(ish) appeal, but the VP is chosen to be a party hard liner to galvanize the faithful voting blocks and keep the party legislators in line. See Biden, Cheney, Gore. I think Palin was a calculated choice to try to get a group of people, Tea Party, to vote Republican instead of Libertarian.

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    18. Re:WHY!? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Lieberman might have actually been worse. He has more allegiance to Israel than the USA.

      Honestly had McCain just run as McCain 2000 he would have won in 2008. That means tough on torture, not a fan of GWB and no tolerance for the nutbars that took over the GOP since.

    19. Re:WHY!? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Sorry I must disagree.

      His correction is as follows: "No ma'am, [Obama's] a decent family man, citizen, that I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues."

      It should have been: "No ma'am, Nor would it matter".

      He basically just told her that Obama was not an Arab, but he agreed that Arabs are bad people. He could not have embraced the racist fringe anymore than if he had donned a Hitler outfit and started goose stepping around that town hall meeting.

    20. Re:WHY!? by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      The democrats don't have the "hive mind" that the republican party pretty much requires it's members to have. That's why they have a hard time standing up to the repubs, you can't argue with a fanatic, especially if you have such a diverse group that you also have to argue with your own party members.

    21. Re:WHY!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As opposed to the racist and far left votes that the democrats chase??

    22. Re:WHY!? by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      "who after the 2008 RNC convention was worse than Ming the Merciless accroding to the same people who wrote the glowing articles about her not one month ago..."

      Oh yeah, the RINOs. Yeah, we got that. Bigtime.

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    23. Re:WHY!? by ganjadude · · Score: 4, Insightful

      you do know there are many good reasons to not like obama other than his skin color right? The only people I hear talking about his skin color is those on the left trying to attribute it to those on the right. other than a few loons I dont see anyone on the right talking about obamas skin color. We are all more worried about his policies.

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    24. Re:WHY!? by BBTaeKwonDo · · Score: 1

      He is totally responsible for defining the process by which a VP is chosen and for the end result. If he's not responsible for that, then he is responsible for none of his decisions. I agree that the candidate does not need to like the running mate, but the candidate is darn well responsible for picking the running mate.

    25. Re:WHY!? by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      Both Bushes suffered from this. One for engaging an enemy after they invaded a friend.

      The other because the enemy he was facing was very very different, and significantly more dangerous.

      In war, mistakes are made.

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    26. Re:WHY!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's plenty of people I dislike, but I can at least respect.

      McCain's chosen running mate...doesn't fall under either category. He allowed himself to be associated with Sarah Palin, and that was voluntary on his part.

      Me? I'd have stood for principle, and if the party was that deadset on her being my running mate, I'd have said...the party wants me to nominate that fucktard Sarah Palin for my running mate, but I'd sooner have Hillary Clinton on the ticket.

    27. Re:WHY!? by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      "Him being a mormon, only mattered to folks who would never vote for a black president anyway."

      My experience has shown me that PRECISELY THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE.

      Precisely. The. Opposite.

      Wow. You must live in a small universe.

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    28. Re:WHY!? by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      Which are?
      Let's name some of these racists they chase after. I really can't see the Klan or the neoNazis voting for Obama.

      The democrats are center right. There are no where near far left. Nor are they chasing after racists.

    29. Re:WHY!? by dkleinsc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Here's the difference between Joe Biden and Sarah Palin:
      Joe Biden sometimes says stupid things. He also says smart and effective things. He also corrects himself when he realizes that what he said was stupid. Generally speaking, the smart things outweigh the stupid things, so he is viewed as a basically smart guy who sometimes goofs up and says something stupid.

      Sarah Palin, on the other hand, says many many things that aren't only stupid, but indicative of an underlying idiocy well beyond just making mistakes. For instance, the question that really did her in back in 2008 was Katie Couric asking "And when it comes to establishing your world view, I was curious, what newspapers and magazines did you regularly read before you were tapped for this [the vice-presidency] - to stay informed and to understand the world?" Sarah Palin couldn't come up with a straight answer, while Biden would probably have cited Foreign Policy, the New York Times, or the Delaware News Journal.

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    30. Re:WHY!? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      No, Palin was a calculated choice to get horny males above the age of 30 to look at political programming rather than 4Chan. It almost worked.

      The fact that she brought along a big swath of the batshit crazies was icing on the cake.

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    31. Re:WHY!? by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty left of Obama on a lot of issues. Of course I know there are reasons not to like him. 40% of your party thinking he's Muslim is pretty much just his race. Sorry. There is a definite racist element that has swung into overdrive within the republican party. It's not imagined. If you go to top republican forums(like free republic or tea party community) your chance of finding posts denigrating black people without any sort of qualification are actually pretty high.

      That's not the fault of the republicans who aren't racist, and I wouldn't be the kind of person who'd go "Republican==Racist", just that there is a neo-racist element that has really come into substantial prominence quite recently. Don't take it so personally, please. Please?

      Also, I'd love to hear which policies(other than Drone usage which is terrible) concern you so much. You know, the real policies he actually has.

    32. Re:WHY!? by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      Eh, but that very assertion does fit the model of ingroup/outgroup thinking that creates the damaging behavior your describe. I would say at most that republicans are statistically more likely to engage in that kind of thinking, and only slightly. It's a broken part of human nature that requires active mental awareness to counter.

      The moment you think you're just better about it than [other people] you've failed in your duty against prejudice. I'd say from my own experience that only about 5% of people really consistently engage in healthy self-awareness about it, and I wouldn't choose me to pick them out.

    33. Re:WHY!? by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      I think you mixed up Arabs and Muslims there. Don't do that, please.

    34. Re:WHY!? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      No, she called him an Arab.

      I looked it up to double check.

    35. Re:WHY!? by hamburger+lady · · Score: 1

      the fact that you refer to Tina Fey as 'half rate' means the world will always, always ignore everything you say as the ravings of a clown.

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    36. Re:WHY!? by kenj0418 · · Score: 1

      For one thing, there is no constitutional requirement to link the offices. They are very much separate offices, the linkage is just the result of ...

      Well, I guess now we know why McCain is so opposed to bundling.

    37. Re:WHY!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Typical liberal battlecry..."RACIST!!!" Yawn. Pick a new record to play.

    38. Re:WHY!? by Nimey · · Score: 1

      The GOP may not be the racist party, but isn't it funny that they are the favorite of racists?

      This is but one source: http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t909798/

      If you add Romney and Paul together, you get a pretty good majority.

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    39. Re:WHY!? by chiefmojorising · · Score: 1

      Bull. The McCain of 2008 was a completely different man than the McCain of 2000. I don't know if it was the dirty pool Bush played during the 2000 election that did it or something else but he's just not the same guy he used to be.

    40. Re:WHY!? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      I think it is sad, not funny.

      What was once the party of Lincoln is now the party of stormfront.

    41. Re:WHY!? by Hatta · · Score: 1

      People don't dislike Palin because she's "colorful". They dislike her because she's a moron. "What papers do you read?" "All of them" That's not "foot in mouth", that's Palin trying to pretend to be well read when she's clearly not. She didn't know what the Bush Doctrine was, she didn't know what Hamas was, and so on.

      Does Joe Biden lack tact? Yes, but he has decades of experience. His biggest gaffe to date has been when he lead the president in endorsing same sex marriage. A breach of protocol to be sure, but nothing that indicates incompetence.

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    42. Re:WHY!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Palin was there to appeal to the brain-dead Republican base. As the rest of us wise up, the ignorant conservative Christians dig in their feet and choose to live in a knowledge-free bubble, so no reasonable person would be acceptable to them. Blame the foolish pandering to Evangelical Christians for making the Republicans a dead-end party.

      Saying things like "The Anointed One" just makes you look crazy.

    43. Re:WHY!? by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I didn't respond to your first reply. I didn't need a citation, I believe you. That distinction was just totally not clear from context.

    44. Re:WHY!? by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

      Repeating this lie doesn't make it the truth.

      Without Palin, McCain would have lost by an even greater margin.
      Palin took what would have been a crushing, embarrassing defeat and left McCain with just a sound beating.

      LK

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    45. Re:WHY!? by curunir · · Score: 1

      The tragedy is that Bush was able to derail his run for the presidency in 2000. He should have been president then, not in 2008. Our country would be in a much better state now if that had happened.

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    46. Re:WHY!? by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

      His choice of running mates was the best thing about his campaign. He was regarded with suspicion by conservative Republicans.

      He needed something to give them a reason to show up in November. Palin did just that.

      He had the misfortune of going up against one of the best campaigners in recent history.

      Exit polling shows that McCain would have lost by an even greater margin without her.

      LK

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    47. Re:WHY!? by MMC+Monster · · Score: 1

      The same Palin that had quotes miss-attrributed to her that were spoken by a half rate SNL actress...

      Admittedly she must have been a reasonable actress if people were quoting her and thinking that they were quoting Palin.

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    48. Re:WHY!? by coinreturn · · Score: 1

      You mean Palin the sweatheart of Busting the Oil Companies Balls in Alaska and the Crusader against the "Good Olde Politcal Boys" Club in Alaska who had many positive Articles written about her BEFORE August 2008, but then who after the 2008 RNC convention was worse than Ming the Merciless accroding to the same people who wrote the glowing articles about her not one month ago....

      The same Palin that had quotes miss-attrributed to her that were spoken by a half rate SNL actress...

      Yeah, that Palin....

      No, he means the half-term governor. Quitter!

    49. Re:WHY!? by coinreturn · · Score: 1

      +107, Insightful

    50. Re:WHY!? by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      Your bias is clear. I am starting to think that no liberal will ever see another liberal as extreme

    51. Re:WHY!? by jahudabudy · · Score: 1

      I think the key is to distinguish between Joe down the street, who is a registered Republican, and the folks in the legislature who are Republican. It is pretty clear that the Republican Party, as represented by it's leadership and politicians, is very much more insistent on adherence to the party line than Democrats (as defined by the same metric). Or at least more capable of enforcing such - I suspect Dems would if they could. You are right that it is foolish to make the same statement about the individuals who have no more affiliation with either party than their voter registration, which is most people in the country.

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    52. Re:WHY!? by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

      you do know there are many good reasons to not like obama other than his skin color right? The only people I hear talking about his skin color is those on the left trying to attribute it to those on the right. other than a few loons I dont see anyone on the right talking about obamas skin color. We are all more worried about his policies.

      How often do you listen to the following people?
      Glenn Beck
      Rush Limbaugh
      Sean Hannity

      I hope your answer is somewhere in the neighborhood of "Not at all". Because if it's not, then you are blind to the problem.

      Yes, outside of a few nut job average joes, nobody talks about Obama's color. But you'd have to be blind to miss the hints. "Did you know he's really a Muslim?" "He wasn't even born in the USA!" "All he wants to do is let Mexicans come here illegally and become citizens." "Obama wants to make you pay for healthcare for illegals." "Notice how he can't find a white male to nominate for the Supreme Court?" "Obama is a citizen of Kenya and has never been a US citizen." I mean if you do not detect the hidden, racial subtext between all of those comments, there's not much I can to help someone who is that blind.

    53. Re:WHY!? by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      I'm glad I could maintain transparency. I never intended to disguise my beliefs, though you certainly are willing to ascribe malice to them.

      I don't know what bearing that has on anything other than you making extraordinary and crass assumptions about large groups of people to feel better about yourself.

    54. Re:WHY!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Drill, baby, drill...
      Sold out...
      Good old boys...
      Flip flopped...

      That was Lisa Ann.

    55. Re:WHY!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Palin who (truly) said things like:

      "We have trade missions back and forth. We-- we do-- it's very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia as Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where-- where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border. It is-- from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there. They are right next to-- to our state." when asked "Have you ever been involved with any negotiations, for example, with the Russians?

      Or this:

      Q: "And when it comes to establishing your worldview, I was curious: what newspapers and magazines did you regularly read before you were tapped for this to stay informed and to understand the world?"

      Palin: "I've read most of them, again with a great appreciation for the press, for the media."

      Q: "But, like, what ones specifically? I'm curious."

      Palin: "All of 'em, any of 'em that have been in front of me over all these years."

      Q: "Can you name a few?"

      Palin: "I have a vast variety of sources where we get our news too. Alaska isn't a foreign country, where, it's kind of suggested and it seems like, 'Wow, how could you keep in touch with what the rest of Washington, D.C. may be thinking and doing when you live up there in Alaska?' Believe me, Alaska is like a microcosm of America."

      Can Palin name a Supreme Court decision, apart from Roe v. Wade, with which she disagrees? Witness:

      "Well, let's see. There's -- of course in the great history of America there have been rulings that there's never going to be absolute consensus by every American, and there are those issues, again, like Roe v. Wade, where I believe are best held on a state level and addressed there. So, you know, going through the history of America, there would be others but --"

      What was the significance of Paul Revere's ride (other than "Revere rhymes with hear")?

      "He who warned, uh, the British that they weren't gonna be takin' away our arms, uh, by ringing those bells, and um, makin' sure as he's riding his horse through town to send those warning shots and bells that we were going to be sure and we were going to be free, and we were going to be armed."

    56. Re:WHY!? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      How so?

      The folks I know that voted for Obama do not care about religion and for the most part would have preferred a non-religious candidate.

    57. Re:WHY!? by coyote_oww · · Score: 1

      No, he means the half-term governor. Quitter!

      As opposed to the president, who quit halfway through a Senate term, or a pair of Senators (Clinton and Kerry) who quit halfway through to be Secretary of State? Maybe a San Francisco mayor that quit to be lt. governor? Politicians moving on to larger jobs is a universal, not a new, Republican, or Democrat phenomenon.

      About the only thing no one quits is the House - because the two year terms line up with whatever other election you want to pursue. And even then, i think there are a couple people who've bailed to move up. Really doubt they were all members of the same party that you don't like.

    58. Re:WHY!? by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      Couldn't care less, or would have preferred?

      I don't think you can have it both ways.

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    59. Re:WHY!? by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      and as i said its mainly a few nutjobs who are saying these things. Yes you will see it on the web just like you saw 9/11 was an inside job under the bush admin. The internet gives the lowest of the low a voice, and since its in print and it never goes away, it stands out. All those "subtext" you pointed out i dont hear anyone say other than the loons on the net and a few loons on the radio. no different then what happened to bush except for this time its the opposite party.

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    60. Re:WHY!? by DiEx-15 · · Score: 1

      Partly, bad timing: his party's brand was tarnished by George W. Bush. Partly, bad choice of running mate.

      It was as if he wasn't even trying and decided that if he was going to fail, he'd at least go down in a sea of laughter.

      Too bad Palin didn't get the point that the US and the whole world wasn't pointing and laughing with her ...

    61. Re:WHY!? by IHateEverybody · · Score: 1

      The same Palin that had quotes miss-attrributed to her that were spoken by a half rate SNL actress...

      Admittedly she must have been a reasonable actress if people were quoting her and thinking that they were quoting Palin.

      Tina Fey is an excellent actress and her "I can see Alaska from my house!" joke wasn't too far from Palin's actual words.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXL86v8NoGk

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    62. Re:WHY!? by coinreturn · · Score: 1

      No, he means the half-term governor. Quitter!

      As opposed to the president, who quit halfway through a Senate term, or a pair of Senators (Clinton and Kerry) who quit halfway through to be Secretary of State? Maybe a San Francisco mayor that quit to be lt. governor? Politicians moving on to larger jobs is a universal, not a new, Republican, or Democrat phenomenon.

      About the only thing no one quits is the House - because the two year terms line up with whatever other election you want to pursue. And even then, i think there are a couple people who've bailed to move up. Really doubt they were all members of the same party that you don't like.

      Not the same thing, dumbass, and here's why: Obama didn't quit the Senate - he was promoted to President. Clinton didn't quit as Secretary of State - she stayed for the entire administration (Obama's first term). Kerry didn't quit the Senate - he was promoted to Secretary of State Palin failed to get the job as VP, went back to being governor, then quit halfway through her term. She didn't quit until July 2009. She didn't get a promotion, unless you think a reality show is a promotion.

    63. Re:WHY!? by RyoShin · · Score: 1

      I dont see anyone on the right talking about obamas skin color.

      Directly? No, that would be too honest. But do you really think that all of this "secret Muslim" bullshit you hear would be repeated if he was white?

    64. Re:WHY!? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Since they would prefer no religion they do not place one mythology over another. Thus they have the same preference for all religions, and would prefer none.

  5. I already got that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's called internet streaming and no cable

    1. Re:I already got that by tepples · · Score: 1

      Internet streaming isn't for everyone, particularly people who are addicted to left- or right-leaning political pundits on TV or parents of kids too young to get into a sports bar.

    2. Re:I already got that by darkwing_bmf · · Score: 1

      You can't be serious. You can find pundits of all types on the Internet. And for sports, well, there's always AM radio :D

    3. Re:I already got that by tepples · · Score: 1

      You can find pundits of all types on the Internet.

      Including MSNBC's Joe Scarborough and Rachel Maddow, on a device that a 70-year-old who refuses to learn how to use Google could operate with a familiar TV-style remote control?

    4. Re:I already got that by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Let me know when I can watch all my sports teams live without going to a website that tries to install some virus or 'plug-in'.

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    5. Re:I already got that by Farmer+Pete · · Score: 1

      Depends on the team and the game, but I feel I can get the majority of my sports games from either OTA antenna, EPSN3, or some other major network website. It's a little frustrating that they aren't all easy to find like they are on a TV, but you can typically get them without resorting to illegal feeds.

    6. Re:I already got that by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Not hockey.

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    7. Re:I already got that by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Because you can watch the NFL...oh that's right you can't!

    8. Re:I already got that by nabsltd · · Score: 1

      Depends on the team and the game, but I feel I can get the majority of my sports games from either OTA antenna, EPSN3, or some other major network website.

      There are a few cities where OTA channels broadcast a decent percentage of major sports (LA and Chicago come to mind), but others have sports almost completely locked up on the RSN. Here in the DC/Baltimore area if you don't have access to the RSN, you would see about 25% of baseball games, and 10% of basketball and hockey. NFL, of course, you will see all of your home team games.

      It's even worse in Philadelphia, where about the same percentages are available OTA, but Comcast SportsNet Philly is only available on Comcast cable.

    9. Re:I already got that by Mike+Frett · · Score: 1

      I'm 25. Call me when I can watch all the HBO, Showtime etc and Live Shows from the Internet. And I mean nonstop, without having to search and cross my fingers that some channel is still working. Big networks can pull the plug on ITV at anytime they wish, and have before. Apparently none of you read the news about how set they are to end all this 'free' TV access.

      If they can't make money, you don't get any shows. And you'll be stuck watching some 12 year olds Youtube channel that updates once a month. Besides, TV isn't going away anytime soon, It's just ignorant fools like yourselves that can't stand to see other people doing things that you dislike.

    10. Re:I already got that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For the most part, right now...provided you're willing to watch through a VPN to get around blackout restrictions. All 4 of the major sports have streaming services. At the moment, they limit you to games outside of your area, but when you connect from a VPN outside of your area, you get access to local games too. Most of the services are available on set-top boxes (Roku, AppleTV and such).

      The only website I visit is my router's config page to tell it which VPN server to connect to. Apart from that, it's all 10-ft interfaces.

    11. Re:I already got that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you serious? NHL Gamecenter is available on tons of devices and is 100% legal as are the VPN services that you use to get around blackouts.

  6. Blackout rule by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    the bill could 'end the sports blackout rule, which prohibits cable companies from carrying a sports event if the game is blacked out on local broadcast television stations.'

    Why not just end all blackouts, whether on cable or broadcast TV?
    There is added value in buying a ticket to a sporting event over watching it from home. I've never heard anyone say they bought the ticket because of a TV blackout.

    1. Re:Blackout rule by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 1

      The Indianapolis 500 still blacks out it's coverage to the Indianapolis area market because their Board of Fossils, I mean Directors, are scared to death about getting people to buy tickets. This is even though they sell out the stands every year and they can barely fit people into the infield anymore.

      It's fear and corporate idiots thinking they know something they don't.

      On top of it, the NFL says their stats say blackouts don't make any difference in ticket sales. You're just limiting the market for your sponsors.

    2. Re:Blackout rule by Bigby · · Score: 1

      I don't understand at all how "a la carte" fixes anything with blackout rules.

      Why can't the sports venue, typically a privately run venue, have a contract with the channels recording the event to not broadcast in that area? If their feed leads to broadcasting in that area when the event isn't sold out, they could cut the feed for them in all areas. The recorder would be in breach of contract, the venue would still get the payment from the recorder, and the recorder would lose all the advertising revenue. "A la carte" does nothing here.

    3. Re:Blackout rule by Farmer+Pete · · Score: 0

      Why would you be angry that these people tell you that you can't waste hours of your life watching cars go around in a circle 500 times. Wouldn't any person with common sense know enough to not watch this anyways? Seriously. I could see watching a Rally race, but NASCAR just boggles my mind. I view it second only to watching wrestling on TV (WWF or whatever they're calling it today) for proof that morons exist in large quantities.

    4. Re:Blackout rule by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Because the leagues have a monopoly. They are specifically excluded from normal monopoly laws and as such should be limited in this and other ways.

      I would rather we remove their exclusion from those laws and break them up, competition would fix this much better than regulation.

    5. Re:Blackout rule by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 2

      Why would you be wasting your time on Slashdot talking to nerdy idiots? Hmm? I'm sure the NASCAR crowd things about YOU like that.

      It's taste.

    6. Re:Blackout rule by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      But with NASCAR, you might get to see a participant crash and take out several of his fellow drivers and some of the mouth-breathers in the stands! :)
      Cars driving in a circle = DULL
      Car on fire = exciting!

    7. Re:Blackout rule by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      It's not ticket sales. They can't figure out a way to gouge the local TV market for even more $$$. Mostly because the local TV market is refusing to pay for what is given freely OTA in the next county/state.

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    8. Re:Blackout rule by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Further to this, i have always wondered why the environmental people don't go after this.

      Not only do they just go around in a circle, they use an enormous amount of resources to do so.

    9. Re:Blackout rule by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Indy 500 is only 200 laps; the track isn't a circle; and it isn't a NASCAR race. Watching it is still stupid, but inform yourself. a little.

    10. Re:Blackout rule by Motard · · Score: 1

      They haven't sold the place out in years. Not since disasterous the split around 1996.

    11. Re:Blackout rule by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, first of all, the Indy 500 is 200 laps, not 500. Second, it has little or nothing to do with NASCAR.

    12. Re:Blackout rule by Holi · · Score: 1

      Or if you are going to continue the blackouts then how about having Major League sports tickets in an affordable range. Long gone are the days of most people being able to afford taking the family to a game. Even getting bad tickets I can't see most families spending $500 for a family night out.

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    13. Re:Blackout rule by Galilee · · Score: 1

      There's one benefit to the blackout rule. If the team is so lousy that the game doesn't sell out, then it probably isn't worth watching anyway. I've watched a few great games which I would not have been able to see if the Buffalo Bills weren't blacked out.

    14. Re:Blackout rule by Motard · · Score: 1

      I don't waste my time talking to nerdy idiots. But I do sometimes spend it to correct the factual errors they post. Neither the Indy 500 (IndyCar) or the Brickyard 400 (NASCAR) have sold out the Indianapolis Motor Speedway in recent years.

      Does that make the argument for blacking out the coverage stronger or weaker? I'm not sure. I wasn't addressing that aspect. In fact, I'm not even sure if the NASCAR race is blacked out in Indy (I think it may not be). I don't really pay attention to NASCAR and I doubt NASCAR fans pay any attention to me.

  7. YEA!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go John go

  8. Nelson Rating by hbean · · Score: 2

    I gotta admit, I just took a Nelson rating diary survey, and all its done is made me realize how much I'd like to cancel my increasingly expensive cable service. I watched maybe 8 hours of broadcast TV during the week I kept the diary.

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    1. Re:Nelson Rating by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 1

      Fiber is coming to my city in the next year or so and I am waiting on pins and needles to sign up. I'll be the first in line because cable cost has increased around 100% in the last few years. I only watch less than 5 channels but because of tiering I have to get 3 or so different packages.

      That's how they make their money and this is why this bill will probably not even get to a committee hearing.

    2. Re:Nelson Rating by Farmer+Pete · · Score: 1

      I've done it. It's great. I have a computer hooked to my TV. I don't use any fancy skins or front ends. I just have a keyboard and mouse and pull up shows on it using normal PC methods. I do have an HDTV antenna installed, and I use Media Center to record some shows. It's saving me +$600 a year in Cable costs.

    3. Re:Nelson Rating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nelson Rating?

      Ha ha!

      Nielsen.

    4. Re:Nelson Rating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Me too, but I also have a Roku for Netflix and Plex (plus some other random stuff which is sometimes ok). Netflix won't run well on my nettop media pc cuz silverlight sucks.

    5. Re:Nelson Rating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is 8 hours of TV supposed to be high or low?

      I probably watch 20 maybe 30 hours a year, and that's all illegally downloaded. Turn off the idiot box guys.

    6. Re:Nelson Rating by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Curious. Why is it an 'idiot box'? Why not an 'education source', an 'entertainment provider' or an 'insomnia aid'?

      Why do you assume that only idiots watch it and/or only idiotic content is available for it?

      Why do you think 8 hours a week is worse than 20 hours a year? If it's that bad, surely 0 hours would be more appropriate?

      Perhaps you could explain your alternate sources of entertainment? Do you go to the theatre, to the opera, go clubbing, take walks in the countryside, play sport, watch sport, play computer games, read books, go dancing or rape and murder prostitutes of an evening?

      Just that.. none of those are in any way superior to (and most of them easily done by) watching an 'idiot box'.

      Do you live in a box?

    7. Re:Nelson Rating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How Admiralable of you.

    8. Re:Nelson Rating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By average American standards, that's pretty low. Though, it's about 8 hours more than I watch in a typical week.

  9. Federal law? by almitydave · · Score: 0

    Well, these are things I wish the companies would do, but making a federal case about it? I don't see the justification. These are terms negotiated in contracts for cable TV - I don't see a compelling reason for the government to step in. Is there some right of the people to get the TV channels they want at the price they want that I don't know about? Am I missing something?

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    1. Re:Federal law? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I assume the underlying concept is with monopolies or oligopolies. If all the networks are forcing cable companies to pick up all of their stations or get nothing, and they all do this, it's basically a oligopoly (many single monopolies colluding).

      So.. there is probably some basis for this kind of things relative to other monopolistic laws we have in place.

    2. Re:Federal law? by SJHillman · · Score: 1

      I can see mandating a couple of basic channels for news and weather... which they already provide for free over the air or dirt cheap (my grandfather pays $5/mo for basic cable with ~12 channels, mostly local). I get free basic cable from TWC for subscribing to Internet (about the only perk keeping me with them). But to mandate it for every channel is overstepping boundaries.

    3. Re:Federal law? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These types of dealings are skirting antitrust laws.
      Just how many different cable providers do you have to choose from?

    4. Re:Federal law? by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

      The only reason is they are given a monopoly it near one to avoid cluttering telephone polls with competitors. If we had an all comers pure fiber network from our municipalities it would be a different story.

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    5. Re:Federal law? by Newander · · Score: 1

      You could make the argument that the big media companies are using monopoly powers to force people to buy products that they don't want. That should probably fall under current legislation, though.

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    6. Re:Federal law? by squiggleslash · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Me neither. I'm hardly a libertarian, except in the sense that everyone is*, but this seems to me to be government overreach.

      Cable TV is not a vital public service, in any shape or form. It's not important infrastructure you must have access to or else be significantly disadvantaged. Nobody is any the worse for not having it. In fact, it's actually just awful.

      Given that, let the market take care of it. If Disney gets greedy and insists no bundling ABC without 50 other unrelated channels that cause a cable provider's costs to go up by $50 per subscriber, then let it fail because nobody can afford it any more. Governments shouldn't be micromanaging issues like this.

      * I'm in favor only of those laws I support, and against laws I disagree with. As such I'm in favor of small government, obviously, because small government people believe that there should only be laws they deem necessary which by definition means the ones they agree with and not the ones they disagree with.

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    7. Re:Federal law? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This.

      People think that whatever benefits them directly should be law.

      And why is a Republican trying to put regulation on business?

    8. Re:Federal law? by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 2

      Yes you're missing something... the government is supposed to be representing the greater good, not pure corporate interest.

      I know they've pretty much only been doing the latter since 1980 and its easy for people these days to not see what the purpose of government even IS... but come on. If people are being scammed they are supposed to care. That's the government interest.

    9. Re:Federal law? by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      The greater good would, though, require the government actually focus on important stuff, which quite honestly the payment rules for TV channels and the provision of access to sporting content isn't.

      Would it be nice if I could just buy the channels I want? I think so, sorta. Probably. I don't know. I have a feeling Dish wants me to pay what I'm paying regardless. I suspect I'll gain one or two channels I currently don't have in my package because they belong to another tier, but I'll unexpectedly miss out on content I thought I never watch but actually do.

      Moreover though, it's not the kind of thing I want the government doing, because the government has an irritating habit of screwing things up when it decides how people should pay for something. One of the (many) reasons for the failure of, for example, passenger rail in this country was the decision of state and Federal governments to micromanage ticket pricing. Indeed, much of the freight rail industry collapsed for the same reason in the 1970s, it took deregulation to prevent it all from collapsing and a massive government bailout to keep the system in the North East up and running until it could be made profitable agaain.

      And it did that despite the fact the industry involved, that it was destroying, was actually important. Cable TV isn't.

      I don't see value in the government micromanaging this. Access to the Internet? Perhaps. But even there it needs to be aware of its limitations. These proposals seem, to me, to be an excessively large amount of action for a trivial problem.

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    10. Re:Federal law? by uniquename72 · · Score: 1

      The government permits cable monopolies, and therefore have a responsibility to ensure that those monopolies aren't abusive (yeah, they're doing a piss poor job of it).

      The solution is trivial: End cable monopolies. In the '80s there were 3 cable companies in my area, competition was fierce, and prices and service were great. Today there is a single cable company, and they are a disaster.

    11. Re:Federal law? by Jawnn · · Score: 5, Informative

      Me neither. I'm hardly a libertarian, except in the sense that everyone is*, but this seems to me to be government overreach.

      Cable TV is not a vital public service, in any shape or form. It's not important infrastructure you must have access to or else be significantly disadvantaged. Nobody is any the worse for not having it. In fact, it's actually just awful.

      Given that, let the market take care of it.

      I will assume you mean the mythical "free market". There is no such thing, of course, and this is especially true where market choice is limited by natural monopolies, as is the case in cable and satellite television service. So your solution fails. It's less than ideal, but only regulation will see to it that the consumers are not getting the short end of the stick, as they are now.

    12. Re:Federal law? by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      "And why is a Republican trying to put regulation on business?"

      Um, to pander for votes?

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    13. Re:Federal law? by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

      I will assume you mean the mythical "free market"

      I meant what I said, and gave an example of how the market can react. This is not a required product. You are not going to be denied a job, prevented from socializing, or lack important information needed to live your daily life if you eschew cable TV. The market is perfectly capable of handling "abuses" because people can, and do, walk away from the stall if the price is too high or the product is not what they want.

      Cable TV is:

      1. Not a monopoly, not that it matters.
      2. Not required.
      3. Not important.
      4. Dependent upon delivering value to paying customers to be successful

      Quite honestly though, even if it were a monopoly, with Dish Network and DirecTV going bust tomorrow, cable TV is still not required, is still not important, and is still dependent upon delivering value to paying customers to be successful. Beyond basic protections against fraud, what the hell regulation does it need?

      It doesn't.

      I meant what I said, and gave an example of how the market can react. This is not a required product. You are not going to be denied a job, prevented from socializing, or lack important information needed to live your daily life if you eschew Cable TV. The market is perfectly capable of handling "abuses" because people can, and do, walk away from the stall if the price is too high or the product is not what they want. The market can take care of this one.

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    14. Re:Federal law? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The greater good would, though, require the government actually focus on important stuff, which quite honestly the payment rules for TV channels and the provision of access to sporting content isn't.

      Television entertainment is a multi-billion dollar business. The cable segment alone is also billions of dollars, and impacts millions of people.

      I question your standards for "important stuff" as well as your recognition that the government isn't just a singular entity, but a multiheaded one.

      It doesn't have to focus on one thing, but can work on several tens of thousands.

      Moreover though, it's not the kind of thing I want the government doing, because the government has an irritating habit of screwing things up when it decides how people should pay for something. One of the (many) reasons for the failure of, for example, passenger rail in this country was the decision of state and Federal governments to micromanage ticket pricing. Indeed, much of the freight rail industry collapsed for the same reason in the 1970s, it took deregulation to prevent it all from collapsing and a massive government bailout to keep the system in the North East up and running until it could be made profitable agaain.

      That's one interpretation of events. How much you want to bet there's another story out there?

      The fact is, freight rail had been under the same regulatory processes for decades, and the "collapse" you were talking about came from the billions of dollars of subsidies for highway and airline travel. By the government, true, but I don't see you lamenting the Interstate Highway system, just tilting against the windmil of the government being involved and deregulation magically fixing it.

    15. Re:Federal law? by thoth · · Score: 2

      Cable TV is:
      1. Not a monopoly, not that it matters. ...
        Beyond basic protections against fraud, what the hell regulation does it need?

      They sure had no issue invoking powers usually reserved for utilities/public works/government though... to use utility easements and real-estate right-of-way exemptions and so on to dig up private property to lay their cables.

      If they want to hide behind "we're not a monopoly" then fine, however every time property is bought/sold they can re-negotiate access rights as a NON government/utility entity. Or do you think every private corporation, non-utility, gets to dig up private property for their business model?

      They ride in on the same access rights and exemptions electricity, water, gas, sewer lines do. So if they act like a monopoly, get legal exemptions that are reserved for government/utilities, I don't care if they technically aren't one, they get to behave like one including somebody higher up in government placing some limits on their behavior.

    16. Re:Federal law? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look around. These monopolies are often not natural, but caused by local cities and towns. In Massachusetts, there are many city councils in bed with either Comcast or Verizon, and have outright forbidden the other to enter the market. There is no benefit to the citizens for this monopoly, only to the wallets of the city councilors

    17. Re:Federal law? by almitydave · · Score: 1

      There are many good replies to my question here. I wasn't trolling, I was legitimately asking.

      I can understand the collusion/monopoly arguments - those would grant government a legit reason to step in and protect the consumer from unfair business practices, but I'm not aware of any allegations of collusion between cable/satellite providers to maintain the "tiered package" business model to the detriment of consumers. I also don't think cable TV companies can generally be rightly considered monopolies, because although that specific delivery mechanism may grant a natural monopoly, there are 2 major satellite providers, and there's a lot of room in geostationary orbit.

      As far as sports blackouts, I see that as a result of the agreement between content owners and content providers. If consumers cancel cable or just a sports package because of blackouts, the cable company can use that as a bargaining chip next time around. If consumers don't cancel, and continue to pay for the service they get, the cable company has no incentive to push the content owner for a change in the contract.

      Cable TV is a luxury in sense that the parent points out - people don't need it, they pay for it if they feel that the product/service is worth the cost. I pay (a lot) for Comcast cable, I have the HD DVR with the On Demand feature; while I'm not a fan of them as a company, the quality of service I have recieved is quite acceptable. I also have a Roku for an older (non-HD) TV, Netflix and Amazon Prime are available for that device for a fraction of the cost of cable. I would also be happy not to watch at all.

      It strikes me as pandering, not solving an actual problem.

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    18. Re:Federal law? by almitydave · · Score: 1

      Minor correction: "I would also be happy not to watch TV at all."

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    19. Re:Federal law? by almitydave · · Score: 1

      It's interesting to compare cable TV to gas - in some ways it's like a utility that is nonessential. In the US, commercial cable TV predates satellite, so it was for a time the only option for expanded programming, and in rural areas or areas not served by broadcast, the only option for TV at all. Still, it's less necessary than gas service, because the cost of replacing appliances dependent on gas may be prohibitive compared to the cost of gas service, and people generally accept that ovens/ranges and water heaters are pretty much essential to normal life. TV isn't.

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    20. Re:Federal law? by tacokill · · Score: 1

      I know they've pretty much only been doing the latter since 1980
      Right, it's just been going on just since 1980. Before that, things were perfect but good ol' Reagan screwed it up for everyone (eye roll). Had we only lived pre-1980 when big business was put in their place then we would have a utopia today instead of what we have. Dangit. We were so close if it only hadn't been for Reagan.

      Can you smell the sarcasm yet? Good because I am laying it on pretty thick :) Methinks you might be cherry picking your data a bit....

    21. Re:Federal law? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Me neither. I'm hardly a libertarian, except in the sense that everyone is*, but this seems to me to be government overreach.

      Cable TV is not a vital public service, in any shape or form. It's not important infrastructure you must have access to or else be significantly disadvantaged. Nobody is any the worse for not having it. In fact, it's actually just awful.

      Given that, let the market take care of it.

      I will assume you mean the mythical "free market". There is no such thing, of course, and this is especially true where market choice is limited by natural monopolies , as is the case in cable and satellite television service. So your solution fails. It's less than ideal, but only regulation will see to it that the consumers are not getting the short end of the stick, as they are now.

      Or in the case of cable TV in many locations, monopolies are 'imposed' by governments that legislate that one, and only one, company can provide cable service in a community. Then of course the cable company raises rates saying that the money is needed to provide the service. An amazing thing happens though in areas were there is more than one cable choice - and it's not higher rates on restrictive packages.

    22. Re:Federal law? by cifey · · Score: 1

      They ride in on the same access rights and exemptions electricity, water, gas, sewer lines do.

      I don't know that the sattelite companies fit into this? At any rate this attempted regulation seems unnecessary unless it can be tied to public funds. I think the whole industry is due a major overhaul, esp here in H-town where about 60% can't watch the local sports teams whose stadiums are publicly funded (out of towner taxes do hurt) I don't have cable but go over to someones house maybe once per month if there is something live i ~need~ to watch.

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    23. Re:Federal law? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So in your area you can choose which cable TV provider you want to use? You sure cant in my area...

    24. Re:Federal law? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Ouch. You mean people are forced to pay for subscription TV? They can't just.. turn the damn thing off and go read a book instead?

      Given the choice, I'd rather have access to the Internet than access to TV. That's even without the ease of acquiring television programming via the Internet.

    25. Re:Federal law? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How are they "forcing" anyone?

      You either want cable TV or you don't. It's not like your children are going to wither up and die without it. People need TV like a dopehead needs dope: and that's the truth.

      You could make an argument for "staying informed" but if you really wanted to stay in formed, you have public broadcast, radio, and newspapers all free. The only thing TV keeps people informed about that radio doesn't it is soap-operas sports and series, and that's also the truth. Well... you can also get sports on the radio.

    26. Re:Federal law? by Jawnn · · Score: 1

      1. Not a monopoly, not that it matters.

      Actually, it matters a great deal. Cable television is the very definition of a natural monopoly, or as Mill called it, a "practical monopoly".
      To suggest that it is otherwise simply because one "could" live without it is to ignore the plainest of facts about that "market". The forces affecting price and availability in that market are heavily constrained. To suggest that such a market is free is patently absurd, but then adherence to absurd notion is something of the hallmark of Rand fan bois on /.

    27. Re:Federal law? by Newander · · Score: 1

      Yes, you can turn off the TV and read a book. I'm actually quite fond of it.

      This is quite similar to the Microsoft antitrust case where Microsoft was using the popularity of Windows to push people towards IE.

      No one needs a computer and if they have one they don't need Windows, but a large number of people still use IE.

      I just wish that HBO would take my money so I could watch Game of Thrones without having to jump up a tier to get the option. I already have too many ESPNs as it is.

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  10. Suddenly I really like John McCain! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Finally someone goes to bat for the consumer of these shows rather than the big cable companies. My fear is it will never pass because too many of his Republican friends don't want the cable companies to lose profits.

    1. Re:Suddenly I really like John McCain! by Newander · · Score: 1

      It's the content providers (Viacom et al.) that are the real targets here. The cable companies are being pushed around almost as much at the consumer.

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  11. Not all providers have this capability. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And expect the per-channel price to be sky-high. Having said that, though, I hope it passes.

    1. Re:Not all providers have this capability. by Newander · · Score: 1

      Sure, but I could probably still get the 5 channels I want for less than I spend on the 300 I never watch.

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    2. Re:Not all providers have this capability. by laura20 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the result is likely to be paying the same amount of money for smaller numbers of channels -- they already know that you'll pay $100 a month for 300 channels to get the 10 you really want, so they'd just charge $10 per each of those channels. Some number of people will end up better off, some (probably larger) worse off, but they'll extract the same amount of money in the end, except you won't have access to the penumbra of channels you watch things on occasionally.

      I'd probably be one of those better off, since I could care less about sports, so I'm not against it, but I wouldn't expect it to change much except perhaps killing off some more of the more generic filler channels.

    3. Re:Not all providers have this capability. by nabsltd · · Score: 1

      Sure, but I could probably still get the 5 channels I want for less than I spend on the 300 I never watch.

      I hear a lot of people quote such small numbers of channels, but the reality is that most households watch at least parts of a lot more than that, especially if you count the OTA channels (which you would still have to pay for if you wanted them from your cable/satellite provider instead of actually OTA).

      Excluding OTA, my 2-person household watches shows on 18 channels every month. We don't watch a lot of TV, but we do have enough varied interests to spread out a little. For a family of 4, I'd expect that the number would easily grow to 30. I can't imagine prices as low as $1/channel, what with all the extra record-keeping that would be required, so you'd still be looking at a $45-60 bill. For $70, I get a lot more channels from DirecTV (even ignoring home shopping and music-only channels). Even if the family of 4 still only watches 30 channels, it's certainly not the huge rip-off that a la carte proponents would make you think it is.

  12. Too Little Too Late by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 2

    The idea of a la carte pricing for cable tv is probably nearly as old as cable tv. They've been talking about it forever and never getting shit done.

    About 3 years ago I gave up and became a cord-cutter - internet only for everything. I don't give a damn about pro sports (bread and circuses) so it has worked out great for me. Now if only I didn't have to buy my internet access from a company that is also a cable-tv provider...

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    1. Re:Too Little Too Late by SJHillman · · Score: 1

      I've found it's a very slight advantage to have the cable TV company (TWC) as my ISP. I get free basic cable with my Internet access, which is on par with all of the other ISPs around here for price, reliability, support, etc.

    2. Re:Too Little Too Late by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      If you live in the USA and have access to more than one high-speed internet provider you are exceptionally lucky. Most people have to choose between catv or dsl and dsl doesn't qualify as high-speed anymore.

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    3. Re:Too Little Too Late by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      The underlying issue is that you have a plurality of monopolies handling your TV services. If US TV companies had to compete with each other in the same region, it would generally encourage competitive action like this, but more specifically, it would offer one provider an incentive to offer its exclusive channels a la carte to subscribers of the other service (via streaming, for example) as a way of scooping up at least some revenue from those customers.

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    4. Re:Too Little Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? Maybe if you live in the boonies, in which case you give up your right to complain about poorer infrastructure. Almost everybody has the choice between Comcast & AT&T at the very least, not to mention smaller local services and satellite.

    5. Re:Too Little Too Late by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Almost everybody has the choice between Comcast & AT&T at the very least, not to mention smaller local services and satellite.

      ATT is DSL except for a handful of towns. DSL, Satellite, and all the fixed wireless ISPs are not high-speed. Maybe a decade ago, but not nowadays.

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    6. Re:Too Little Too Late by Farmer+Pete · · Score: 1

      ATT has switched over to "UVerse" in my home town (not exactly a big metro...In fact, we were the LAST city in the entire USA to get HD local channels from DirecTV). I'm getting an 18mbps connection. I think it caps out at 25mbps. It's no Google fiber, but I doubt many would complain about it.

    7. Re:Too Little Too Late by Farmer+Pete · · Score: 1

      Agreed. If they don't implement ala carte TV, I'd like to see legislation that opens the doors to more competitors in the cable world.

    8. Re:Too Little Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      About 3 years ago I gave up and became a cord-cutter - internet only for everything. I don't give a damn about pro sports (bread and circuses) so it has worked out great for me. [...]

      I'd like to propose the Elitist Cord-Cutter Drinking Game. Start by finding a discussion about cable TV on the internet. When* the smug, self-important cord-cutters come in to brag about it:

      - Take a drink if the poster crowbarred their cord-cutting habits into another conversation, Onion-style.
      -- Take two drinks if the conversation didn't have anything to do with TV in the first place.

      - Take a drink every time the poster compares those who enjoy a certain form of entertainment to plebs or other forms of a "lesser class".
      -- Take three drinks if the actual verbatim phrase "bread and circuses" is mentioned, but ONLY if you can resist punching the person every time they say it.
      -- Take another drink if the poster implies that the passive entertainment they watch (their own "circuses" portion) is inherently superior.

      - Take a drink every time the poster feels the need to reiterate how much they don't care about whatever they constantly reiterate.
      -- Make it two drinks if nobody brought it up in the first place.

      - Take a drink for every celebrity the poster claims not to know about, but ONLY if they follow it up by bragging about how they don't watch TV.
      -- Same goes for programs and events.
      -- Take two drinks every time the poster brags about not watching TV directly BEFORE saying they don't know something (i.e. "Well, I don't watch TV, so I don't know about X!").

      - Take an additional drink if the poster seriously uses the phrase "cord-cutter" in the course of any of these rules.

      As you can tell, this game makes dealing with this sort of poster much more tolerable (which is to say, tolerable at all). I'm certain you can fill in more rules. Or, well, for everyone's safety, maybe you shouldn't; even with this, there's a high chance of alcohol poisoning within the first page of discussion.

      *: Not "if". Also, not "Wait for", because there won't be much waiting involved.

    9. Re:Too Little Too Late by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Uverse has coverage of around 30M homes, out of around 125M in the country and some of those areas they have the catv monopoly too.

      Since uverse is mostly fiber to the neighborhood with DSL from there, maximum effective speed varies a lot because DSL is distance dependent. 18-24Mbps is the shortest distance.

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    10. Re:Too Little Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you live in the USA and have access to more than one high-speed internet provider you are exceptionally lucky. Most people have to choose between catv or dsl and dsl doesn't qualify as high-speed anymore.

      I dunno, my DSL is 40Mbps down/5Mbps up - that's still pretty damn fast

    11. Re:Too Little Too Late by nabsltd · · Score: 1

      ATT has switched over to "UVerse" in my home town (not exactly a big metro...In fact, we were the LAST city in the entire USA to get HD local channels from DirecTV). I'm getting an 18mbps connection. I think it caps out at 25mbps.

      Have you tried to really saturate the connection for a long period of time? Fiber to the home (like FiOS and Google, and a few other random providers) is pretty much the way to really get the stated bandwidth regardless of the time of day.

      I seed torrents to insanely high ratios, and run about 8Mbps outbound 24/7 and don't notice it on my 35/35 FiOS connection. And, when I need it, I can download a few dozen ISOs from Microsoft Technet at 10-20Mbps (their limit, not mine) for a day or two./p.

    12. Re:Too Little Too Late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I also had the free basic cable as part of the my internet deal. But the thing is, it only includes SD versions of what is broadcast for free in HD over the air. The basic cable service couldn't even provide what was being provided for free. I ended up calling my provider (Charter) and getting them to remove the "free" basic cable from my plan and in exchange give me ~$15 a month back.

    13. Re:Too Little Too Late by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 1

      Odds are that if you got rid of your cable internet, you'd STILL have free basic cable.
      One reason is that the cable company will still count you as a set of eyeballs when it comes to selling advertising time on their network.
      If you're one of those anti-TV nuts, the ones who not only don't have paid TV service but also absolutely hate TV in general, you can somewhat "stick it to the man" by demanding that they actually shut off all cable service to your residence, including the free basic cable, so that they can't still indirectly make money off of you.

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    14. Re:Too Little Too Late by SJHillman · · Score: 1

      I do live in the USA, and that is the only non-DSL high-speed ISP. And I live in the suburbs of a moderate sized city.

    15. Re:Too Little Too Late by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it is common to get a discount on your internet service on the order of $5/month if you sign up for the most basic cable tv service versus having no tv service. Doesn't mean you have to use it.

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    16. Re:Too Little Too Late by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Don't forget -- take two drinks for every AC who puts in enough time to write an original passive-aggressive drinking game post.

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    17. Re:Too Little Too Late by quacking+duck · · Score: 1

      I had this for awhile after cutting TV portion of the cable bill, but keeping internet. Eventually they put on something that was enough to leave all the basic channels as snow.

      Which was fine. I can still get the 4 or 5 key channels over the air (the very same channels I was limited to until 2005, when I moved out of my parents' place). I'm not even sure a Netflix subscription is needed, in the last two months I've turned the TV on less than ten times.

  13. Since we're talking about McCain here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What's the catch? What odious crap is hidden in this bill?

    1. Re:Since we're talking about McCain here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the catch? What odious crap is hidden in this bill?

      Doesn't matter! It's so maverick! That's what makes it better and electable! I know it's so maverick because he said so a lot!

    2. Re:Since we're talking about McCain here by darkwing_bmf · · Score: 1

      The catch is it's never going to become law because the corporate interests are against it.

    3. Re:Since we're talking about McCain here by Rougement · · Score: 1

      Exactly. I don't believe that guy is capable of introducing any legislation that's consumer-focused, sensible or otherwise non-cronyish.

  14. more favorable campaign advertisement rates by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    tv and politicians need each other. neither can afford to make the other *too* mad.

  15. too late ! by tizan · · Score: 1

    You tube is coming with specialized channels at $ 1 per month (hopefully i'll get all the sports i'm interested like world-football/ MLS etc) along with netflix/amazon-prime for series/movies (i don't care if i am a few season behind) ...i'm good.

    1. Re:too late ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You tube is coming with specialized channels at $ 1 per month

      No they aren't. That's the *minimum* price. The actual prices range as high as $6.99 per month (the FixMyHogChannel). The PGA golf channel is $4.99 per month. The skateboard channel is $2.99 per month. The UFC channel is $5.99 per month. There may even be a channel that is more than $6.99 -- I only clicked about ten of them.

      Source: http://www.youtube.com/channels/paid_channels

    2. Re:too late ! by Farmer+Pete · · Score: 1

      Yawn. Call me when the first TV channel I've heard of opens a Youtube channel.

    3. Re:too late ! by timmyf2371 · · Score: 1

      You mean like National Geographic? They are launching National Geographic Kids on Youtube Pay TV.

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    4. Re:too late ! by Farmer+Pete · · Score: 1

      Is that a new station, or an existing one?

  16. Oooo, a small government republican by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    Writing laws to protect the entertainment industry? What kind of crap is this? Just take away their monopoly protections, and problem solved.

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    1. Re:Oooo, a small government republican by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      John McCain is many things but he is not a "Small Government Republican/Libertarian" He is a "Big Government Rockefeller Republican" if anything at all...

    2. Re:Oooo, a small government republican by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Your questions are exactly the right ones, but it's completely consistent if you follow McCain. He's a very strong authoritarian, believing that everything that the People see, hear, do, and say needs to be strongly regulated. The Internet represents everything that he hates and fears in terms of freedom and control.

      Now, we all know (McCain included) that al-la-carte on the Internet will kill bundled on cable, so what do you do if you're anti-Internet? First you try to reign in the Internet (SOPA, PIPA, CISPA). McCain was only against CISPA because his pet control bill "SECURE IT" competes with it. You'll see McCain, Lieberman, Graham, and Ayotte's fingerprints over all these kinds of pro-Establishment bills. But, when those fail, you go in and try to "save" the cartels that enable the control you seek - in this case, Cable companies. Cable news, for instance, does a wonderful job of controlling the news in McCain's favor.

      If everybody were getting their news from several of hundreds of competitive Internet media sources, McCain and his ilk would have a very tough time maintaining control.

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  17. Because by Richy_T · · Score: 1

    The answer to too much government is more government.

    1. Re:Because by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since the dawn of organized coercion.

  18. When good ideas attack by grasshoppa · · Score: 0

    Ala cart channel bundling? Great idea! No moronic sports blackouts? Another great idea. Making law to FORCE companies to do this? Horrible, horrible idea.

    We like to pretend we believe in capitalism around here, then the "small government" party ( ahahahaha ) goes off and pulls something like this.

    If the market hasn't provided for this capability yet, it's because people don't want it bad enough. Simple as that. And while many will point out how difficult it is for your average person to fight against this, I would point out that the barrier is lowering, and has been since the advent of the internet in everyday lives.

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    1. Re:When good ideas attack by darkwing_bmf · · Score: 1

      The government controls the broadcast spectrum. Requiring certain concessions as a condition for use is not inappropriate, even for a small government.

  19. Too late, already cut the cable by CQDX · · Score: 1

    Only watching internet streaming (mostly Netflix) and OTA broadcasts. On demand streaming is the future. Got tired of paying nearly $100/month for 200 channels, of which I would only watch 10 at most. Wanna bet if they sell a la carte, each channel would cost $5-10 month plus a $25/month "maintenance" fee?

  20. Who cares? by h4rr4r · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is too little too late. Forget saving these dinosaurs, I want to see them crash and burn.

    1. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I read an interesting article yesterday by a finance guy. He suggested that big media was building out their services and when they have something satisfactory to them then they will turn off the spigots for competing services like netflix. He said a lot of tech minded folks undervalue the power they hold with their ownership of content. His point was essentially that Netflix and the like can't create enough content value in the same amount of time that the media corporations will take to build their services.

  21. This guy continues to mystify me... by seebs · · Score: 3

    I have about a 50-50 chance of strongly liking or strongly disliking legislation he proposes.

    I'm sort of assuming that he's going to eventually turn this in a proposal to require unbundling of both cable packages and Constitutional rights.

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    1. Re:This guy continues to mystify me... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Maybe that's what it means to be a maverick.......everyone hates you 50% of the time.

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    2. Re:This guy continues to mystify me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why they call him "the maverick", isn't it?

  22. Clayton Antitrust Act by sjbe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've always been mildly surprised that no one has argued that channel bundling violates Section 3 of the Clayton Antitrust Act. Basically the networks and cable companies are engaged in tying which can in some circumstances be illegal. While it may be legal in this case it seems to exist right on the edge of legality. I've never been convinced of the argument that channel bundling is in the best interest of the consumers and it certainly is only possible due to the market power of the companies involved.

    1. Re:Clayton Antitrust Act by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really the case. The cable companies are limited to what the content owners demand, or they can pull channels. They want bundling because it means they can charge for channels no one wants, no one looks at, but creates a vast number of advertising slots. The only want to show what you think is to cancel the TV package or jump to a cheap satellite option if you cannot cope without sitting like a vegetable hour after hour in front of a screen.

    2. Re:Clayton Antitrust Act by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, and it's unconstitutional that I can go to a Ford dealership and have to buy the entire car, not just three wheels and a transmission. Or I can go to McDonald's and not just get two slices of cheese and a pickle.

  23. Important things by Culture20 · · Score: 1

    TV volume and a la carte TV channel selection. These are the things their constituents really care about. It's about time they did something.

    1. Re:Important things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I really think they should get back to the more important things . . . like trying to repeal Obamacare for the 95th time!

    2. Re:Important things by moeinvt · · Score: 2

      TV? Important? Nonsense! What we urgently need is the next round of hearings about performance enhancing drugs in professional sports!

    3. Re:Important things by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      Or even better, improving Obamacare and implementing a national health care plan like most civilized nations already have.

    4. Re:Important things by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      Well considering the average voter in the US all three things are important to them. Whether or not it it is important on a scale that the federal government should actually do something about is a different matter. Because enough people clamored for it and/or demanded it we got it. I guess we do get the government we deserve.

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  24. Not government's job. by kamapuaa · · Score: 0

    I haven't ever in my life subscribed to cable, but what the heck. Why is a politician, in particular a Republican, telling cable companies how they have to conduct their business?

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    1. Re:Not government's job. by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 1

      This.

      I actually like McCain somewhat, he's better than the far right religious nuts. But Cable TV is entertainment. There's no need for the government to meddle in the free market. If it were power, or even Internet access I would understand.

    2. Re:Not government's job. by Jetra · · Score: 1

      *cough*FCC*cough* I'm in full support of this. TV might actually make a slight return because you don't have to buy so many "useless" channels.

    3. Re:Not government's job. by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Because the cable companies were granted easements and right-of-way by the government, in exchange for government regulation.

      You know, the kind of regulation that is administered by the Federal Communications Commission. The kind of regulation that this bill proposes.

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    4. Re:Not government's job. by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 1

      It's like insurance - you're subsidizing. Do you think insurance plans should only charge you based on what you need or based on actuarial data for _you_?

      The ala carte system is coming either way, there's no reason to force it on Cable companies.

    5. Re:Not government's job. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you think insurance plans should only charge you based on what you need or based on actuarial data for _you_?

      No, but consumers don't want that model for cable TV, a luxury that no one needs.
      Popular cable channels subsidizing the unpopular ones is really nothing like spreading out risk between the lucky and unlucky.

  25. Consumers rights with contract disputes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One thing I'm interested in seeing is the consumers getting to see the details between networks and the content providers when they go to renew. As one of the people who is ultimately going to pay for it, the details of the current contracts and the new contracts should be fully disclosed to the end consumers. That way we can decide whether the increase in our bill is actually worth it in the end or not.

  26. Not only bundling needs to be gotten rid of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THey also need to forbid the cities's from entering into exclusive contracts to allow only one Cable/Internet provider for an area.

    1. Re:Not only bundling needs to be gotten rid of by Skapare · · Score: 1

      Agreed in theory, but not in principle. It won't make much difference now because incumbent providers gained a system from the exclusivity, and hence cheaper, than building a new one.

      What is really needed is something similar to the way electricity is delivered in many areas now, like Texas. ONE provider runs the infrastructure ... power poles and three phase wiring ... or bundles of dark fiber going to everywhere (and not that multiplex crap they call FiOS ... I mean a minimum of 4 whole strands to every home). Then a chosen provider can be hooked up at the other end of the strand to provide their service structure. None of the providers needs to invest in the infrastructure. But it also needs to be an open service where people can lease the fibers directly to each other, for example (run 10 Gbps on each of several wavelengths between home and work). Let the cities then run, or contract, that infrastructure. Open it to all providers.

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    2. Re:Not only bundling needs to be gotten rid of by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

      Funny - that was another proposal* I made years ago in reference to data-to-the-premises as well as cell towers and radio stations (and power transmission, etc). I wanted to create what I called a '10% company' that had a specific charter to provide connectivity - nothing else - with a guarantee of 10% profit. Any provider could hook into the service for the same yearly fee as any other, leveling the playing field for small telcos/radio stations/etc.

      The benefits would be huge especially for data-to-the-premises and cell phones - one strand of fiber to the home for phone, internet, and video regardless of what service you subscribed to. Minimization of cell towers (no more stacks of antennas per cell tower or multiple towers/site) - all of the connectivity would be the same (nationally-mandated) protocol, and all phones could automatically interconnect with any provider. Same idea w/ radio station towers, etc. All the transmitters and antennas could be co-located, or even better, merged into 1 wideband transmitter with all the signals muxed into it.

      *The other proposal: http://entertainment.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3737343&cid=43712211

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  27. OMFG......this is what our leaders are doing? by who_stole_my_kidneys · · Score: 1
    With so many issues facing our nation, this is the retarded shit they are focusing on? Al-la-cart TV channels and Commercial Volume

    No wonder we are a country of ignorant fat ass's and the rest of the world hates us.

    1. Re:OMFG......this is what our leaders are doing? by Eightbitgnosis · · Score: 1

      Better than when they spend an afternoon naming a post office

    2. Re:OMFG......this is what our leaders are doing? by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

      Unlike the general public, Congressmen actually do focus on more than one issue at a time. Try watching CSPAN for 30 seconds and you'll see topics being debated you've probably never considered. Decrying some tangential issue a politician is working on is basically like saying "I really don't follow politics, but I like to criticize!"

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    3. Re:OMFG......this is what our leaders are doing? by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      America invading other countries and interfering in their affairs is why the world hates us. Basically the stuff people like you advocate.

    4. Re:OMFG......this is what our leaders are doing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for pointing out that they can only focus on one item at a time. Oh wait, that's totally wrong.

  28. This is conservative? by NoahsMyBro · · Score: 1

    Ignoring the merits or lack thereof of the proposal, isn't this sort of thing exactly the opposite of what "conservatives" claim to be about? And doesn't McCain claim to be a conservative?

  29. Missing a supporter. by SuricouRaven · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There's another reason McCain is behind this: A la carte cable is a very popular idea with the social conservative faction that holds a lot of influence within the republican party. The FRC has frequently put out a public call for something like this. Their motivation is in obscenity and indecency: They really don't like the idea that good christian conservatives have to pay for the raunchy entertainment and liberal media channels because they happen to be in the same bundle as the Disney channel and Fox news.

    1. Re:Missing a supporter. by Skapare · · Score: 1

      The alignment of good Christian values with the Republicans has always be a match made in hell. Republicans want less regulation of corporations (ultimately, none at all), and McCain will be up against that. He needs to team up with others to get this, even Democrats.

      But ... in the long term, we need to get rid of gatekeepers altogether. Ã la carte from a gatekeeper that gives you a choice of 500 channels is better than mandatory channel bundles. But neither of those comes close to just doing it all over the internet and choose among 5+ million channels. The gatekeepers just want to have their hands in all the pies to get rich, and provide no value to this at all. His efforts would be better put to getting universal 100mbps fiber access to everyone for the long term. That's sufficient for 2 or 3 channels of good quality 4K video.

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    2. Re:Missing a supporter. by gameboyhippo · · Score: 1

      That's actually right on the money. It's about what I told AT&T when I canceled my u-Verse cable. Why should I pay for Lifttime, [redacted], MSNBC, and Fox News when all I want is Cartoon Network, SyFy, and Discovery Channel? I'm not interested in funding the extreme left and extreme right in order to watch certain channels. Of course what really gets me is the idea that I have to subscribe to every single channel before I can get the Funimation channel.

    3. Re:Missing a supporter. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I seriously doubt that your cable offers an extreme-left channel. There's no market for extreme-left views in this country. We have a tiny extreme left, a large center-right and a large bonkers religious right.

      I'm pretty sure this is either going to put cable out of business, or make having 4 channels cost $80/mo. Cable wouldn't be profitable if each subscriber is only paying $20 for a handful of channels. Right now cable is obviously too profitable when a terrible cable company can buy NBC, but making it completely unprofitable doesn't help anyone but Hulu and the like.

    4. Re:Missing a supporter. by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Jokes on them. There's going to be higher demand for the raunchy channels than the churchy channels.

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    5. Re:Missing a supporter. by gameboyhippo · · Score: 1

      You say that because you see the left as being center. MSNBC is the left's version of Fox News. Lifetime is on the left. [redacted] is on the left. There are many channels on the far left. In fact some people are so emotionally attached to their politics that I can't even name one of the channels lest I be hated on for dare calling them a leftist channel (despite that it must be a leftist channel by necessity of what it advertises it programs).

    6. Re:Missing a supporter. by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      In which case the free market has spoken?

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    7. Re:Missing a supporter. by Hatta · · Score: 1

      What drove the adoption of the VCR? Home porn rentals. What drove ubiquitous internet access? Easy porn access.

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    8. Re:Missing a supporter. by IHateEverybody · · Score: 1

      That's fine with me. They can have their ABC Family and Christian Broadcasting with their family friendly TV and I'll take my HBO with its Game of Thrones.

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  30. Need more than a la carte channels... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is another issue with providers that needs to be addressed.

    I was looking at Verizon FIOS packages yesterday and notices something really bad.

    For 50\25 Internet it was $90\month

    For 50\25 Internet + Prime HD(210 channels) it was $90\month

    Whats wrong with that picture?

    1. Re:Need more than a la carte channels... by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      "Buy our FIOS, get cable free!"

    2. Re:Need more than a la carte channels... by Skapare · · Score: 1

      There is another issue with providers that needs to be addressed.

      I was looking at Verizon FIOS packages yesterday and notices something really bad.

      For 50\25 Internet it was $90\month

      For 50\25 Internet + Prime HD(210 channels) it was $90\month

      Whats wrong with that picture?

      Free market is what is wrong. Switch to fair market FTW!

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  31. Lobby money not meeting projections? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh my, the Cable/TV lobby must be falling short in their campaign contributions. This is sure to alleviate the shortfall.

  32. Internet costs will shoot up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The execs will get their money no matter what.

  33. ...Still working on legislation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's been talking about this for a LONG time now.

  34. Excellent by ichthus · · Score: 1

    Excellent. Just in time for nobody to give a rat's ass any more.

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  35. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    John McCain is taking a stand against a practice that has been going on for decades, he must really care about what channels he falls asleep in front of.

  36. I detect signs of senility by stenvar · · Score: 1

    What does it say about a candidate if he thinks that one of the most important issues facing the nation is which selection of cable TV channels people can subscribe to. What's he going to do next? Highway speed limits for horse-and-buggy carts? Food safety regulations for roadkill? Video game ratings for Pong? Bad as Obama has turned out to be, McCain would have been even worse.

    1. Re:I detect signs of senility by darkwing_bmf · · Score: 1

      A politician running on cable channel choice and higher highway speed limits would probably be pretty popular.

    2. Re:I detect signs of senility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It says that he can multitask?

  37. About 20 years too late. by wcrowe · · Score: 1

    This really had me scratching my head because the legislation is about 20 years too late. Then I realized that it's John McCain, and his constituency are probably seniors who still watch a lot of cable. I'm not exactly young, but even I just download or stream something if I really want to watch it.

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  38. MLB team zones are to big and not all RSN's have c by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    MLB team zones are to big and not all RSN's have full coverage. A la carte can help may makeing rsn's your choice to buy or not and let the high cost ones be on more systems looking at CSN NW, CSN Philly / TCN Philly, CSN Huston, up coming dodgers channel, ect.

  39. Let's do the math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The common theory is that the republicans want smaller (less) government and the democrats want bigger (more) government. But this is a myth -- they both want bigger (more) government, and it's easy to see why.

    1. Over the past century, the US government has been dominated by the republicans and democrats. Neither party has dominated alone; they have dominated this period together, with roughly equal standing.

    2. If the objective of one party was more government, and the objective of the other party was less government, then logically, one would expect their efforts to more or less cancel out over this period.

    3. They have not cancelled each other out at all. Instead, the US government has grown by orders of magnitude. The US government has expanded nearly exponentially, in both revenue and power over the people, over the past century. We are talking about the largest and most expensive government AND world empire (with military bases in some 150 countries) in human history.

    4. The only rational conclusion is that both parties want bigger (more) government, and will continue to want more government indefinitely.

  40. Please let this gain momentum! by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cable has become a joke! It's Springsteen's 57 channels times TEN today. The major content providers are extorting the service providers because they know it's an all-or-nothing deal. Even though maybe only 1/3 of customers watch ESPN, no service provider can reject the entire ESPN suite because they know that's a deal-breaker. And the major content providers use that as an excuse to package 3-4 satellite channels that show the same content and charge more.

    It's insane that I can surf through dozens of channels and see nothing but crap on. With a la carte, content providers will HAVE to produce quality and not rely on being a filler dial number. I could care less if 1/2 of the stations go away. And, the bullies like ESPN (I think averaging about $8/mo of your cable bill) won't have service providers by the nuts any more.

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    1. Re:Please let this gain momentum! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pink Floyd called it a little earlier than "The Boss" with the lyrics from the song 'Nobody Home' on 'The Wall'.

      "I got thirteen channels of shit on the TV to choose from"

      It's gotten progressively worse over the decades but I prefer Waters' contempt to Springsteens'. I suppose it's because I'm cynical and jaded by decades of exposure to copious amounts of advertising and vacuous mind-numbing programming on all but a couple of networks that still manage to produce or air content I consider worth watching. I'll close with my wish that is best expressed in the words of the immortal Bill Hicks "If you're in advertising kill yourself...No, really, kill yourself"!

    2. Re:Please let this gain momentum! by nabsltd · · Score: 1

      I could care less if 1/2 of the stations go away.

      Since you're posting on Slashdot, I assume that the stations you don't care about are things like The Disney Channel, Lifetime, and Country Music Television.

      Guess what, there's a lot of people out there that don't post on Slashdot who care even less about SciFy (I hate typing that crap), Comedy Central, and Cartoon Network than you do about their favorite channels.

    3. Re:Please let this gain momentum! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seem to be entirely missing the point the OP was making. By not having a La Carte available as an option there are numerous channels that are grouped together and a lot of them aren't wanted by the subscribers. Subscribers are the people that actually fund said unwanted channels in case you're confused about that. As far as your assumptions go why don't you show a little more respect for personal choices since you're the one expressing your own while condemning the OP for what you would not choose to be forced to pay for by the current subscription model. Let the consumer decide what they want to consume. The only exception I have to that rule is PBS which personally I happen to think is in a class far above any of the commercial offerings on any paid TV service.

    4. Re:Please let this gain momentum! by Ksevio · · Score: 1

      Verizon offers a TV package that's $10 cheaper without any sports channels.

    5. Re:Please let this gain momentum! by briancox2 · · Score: 1

      Cable will either do this voluntarily or they will be history in about 5-10 years.

      If it comes to us through government, you can bet they will only make the whole thing worse and probably include hidden boondoggles to artificially prop the TV providers up.

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    6. Re:Please let this gain momentum! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But I don't watch anything that the 2/3rds watch. My documentary is going to cost $$$ all by itself because 4.5 million are watching idol/dancing/bachelor[]/voice/ducks/pawn/sheen with the stars. I like the one offs that will cost a mint if that can't be tied to a package.

  41. some Blackouts are not based on selling out by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    some Blackouts are not based on selling out. Also some teams have games on OTA channels that do not cover the teams full zones but you get lock out of those games even when you get the RSN games on your local RSN's.

    lot's of other stuff.

    to go dbstalk for and search blackouts for a lot more info.

    1. Re:some Blackouts are not based on selling out by jonwil · · Score: 1

      In some cases they want to lock games out of FTA in an area because there is a different game on a subscription channel in some form that they want people to watch (and pay for)

  42. That's because by bogidu · · Score: 1

    the cable companies hate their customers but love their money.

  43. I'm not sure how to really read this. . . by Iridium_Hack · · Score: 1

    Although the post suggests this bill will get a lot of resistance from the media, one of the biggest contributers to John McCain's Campaign was Newmax. Go ahead and look it up on www.opensecrets.org. You can find there who donates and how much to any national politician. My question, if this is so bad to TV and such, then why would a News Media organization be one of the top contributers to his campaign? It doesn't make sense. Politics doesn't work that way. What is REALLY in this bill?

  44. It's fun reading news about your industry... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Because you get to see just how much speculative BS it is. For example:

    The cable and satellite TV industry is expected to push back very strongly against the bill.

    This is nonsense. Cable/satellite industry execs have have been saying for years that they'd love to sell customers fifteen channels for ~$20 month instead of 100 channels for ~$50. I'd expect Comcast and Time Warner to fight this legislation simply because they own channels that are often bundled, but Verizon/CenturyLink/DirecTV/Dish are going to be all for being able to draw in customers who don't want to pay outrageous prices for channels they don't watch.

  45. I work for one of the top 10 cable companies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...in North America. I'll let you in on a secret. We would LOVE if every one in America canceled their video service tomorrow. Video is one of the lowest profit/highest cost services we offer. We don't force you to pay high cable bills for shitty channels no one wants. The broadcasters do by forcing us into bundles. "Whats that? You say your a cable company who wants to carry local channels or some other must have to survive in the market channel? Well you have to pay for all these other channels you don't want, that your customers don't want either AND we're gonna tell you what tier of service to put it on! AND make you pay a ridiculous cost per subscriber whether they use it or not! How do you like that? Whats that? No, no lube for you." Cancel your video services. When no one wants it we can quit maintaining it and paying for it and broadcasters will be forced into changing their business model into something more pay-for-what-you-want, on-demand and streaming like the market has been screaming for for years.

    These are my opinions and not necessarily the opinions my company, managers, or coworkers.

    1. Re:I work for one of the top 10 cable companies by PPH · · Score: 1

      But is your company one of those that produces a lot of its own content? Or is owned by a content producer? If not, I understand your position entirely. You are being forced by the content providers to take their crappy channels along with the high demand ones. That's not an efficient use of your bandwidth.

      In my opinion, the DoJ should break up the combination of content providers and distribution system owners. You, the cable company, act as the consumer's brokers in deciding which bundles to offer with the given bandwidth and you negotiate with content providers for the best price (cheap for consumers and some profit margin left for you folks). Content providers owning distribution channels interferes with that relationship and is clearly an antitrust issue.

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    2. Re:I work for one of the top 10 cable companies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. My company is not owned by nor does it own companies that produce content, but its really a small number of companies that do. Only a few of the biggest. I agree with you whole heartedly about breaking up the producer/distributor combos. It gives a small number of corporations rediculous power in the market place.

  46. ESPN and Game blocking are not the main issue by biggaijin · · Score: 1

    While having local sports events blocked from their local cable may upset some viewers (the few that are left who actually watch TV), the real commercial problem with a la carte delivery of cable service is the money-making channels that no one will select. How many people will sign up for the Home Shopping Network or the many other shopping channels if they must pay to receive them? The religious channels also have a problem. Some number of people will pay for them, but the channels rely on people wandering in by accident or impulse for their outreach goals. They will wither and die if only the choir shows up for the service. Both the shopping and the religious channels provide a lot of income for the cable providers. If they are not there (because subscribers are forced to pay for them), then the price of everything else will go up to maintain the cable company's income stream. This should nicely accelerate the decline of cable/satellite broadcast media and move everyone to Internet services even more quickly.

    1. Re:ESPN and Game blocking are not the main issue by darkwing_bmf · · Score: 1

      My guess is the cable companies will charge a base cost for the connection, but the individual channel cost for shopping channels will be $0. They might even reduce your bill if you have to make a deliberate choice to accept them.

  47. Have to buy the top bundle to get ONE channel by scrad · · Score: 1

    This is my rant. On Verizon and Time Warner if you want the FuelTV channel which is where the MMA fights are covered live, you can only get it by buying the most expensive package. It's their Super duper deluxe with a bazillion channels I don't care about. But it's the only one where you can get Fuel.

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    1. Re:Have to buy the top bundle to get ONE channel by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      That's true of alot of channels. They put them on some tier.

    2. Re:Have to buy the top bundle to get ONE channel by scrad · · Score: 1

      Yes, and nobody streams them live online so you're stuck with the cable rip off.

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      I tried to think, but nothin' happened!
    3. Re:Have to buy the top bundle to get ONE channel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of two reasons.
      1.There is high demand so they put it where it will make the most money
      2. Slightly(only slightly) more likely, FuelTV costs so much money they have to sell it almost like a premium so only the people who want it are receiving it. If its placed in the basic cable line up then they pay FuelTV for every single subscriber with out making any more money. By putting iit in a higher tier service, a much smaller number of people are seeing it and a higher percentage of those people are people who wanted to see it, so they actually get some bang for the buck they(the cable company) are spending to offer it.

    4. Re:Have to buy the top bundle to get ONE channel by scrad · · Score: 1

      Regarding #2 If that's their logic (or yours), forcing the purchase of the top tier knowing you MAY not want the other channels so they can subsidize FuelTV with the revenue from everyone else who doesn't watch it then that's just stupid. I'd pay a premium on the lower tier just to get FuelTV.

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  48. Micromanagement by bradley13 · · Score: 1

    What the devil is the federal government (or, indeed, any government) doing, telling companies how they need to package their sales offerings?

    In the best case, this is micromanagement. In the worst case, follow the money, just who is paying for the legislation, and how are they going to use it to screw consumers?

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    1. Re:Micromanagement by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Fuck Off troll. The Federal government regulates commerce, get over it. 99% of Americans do not want these fucking channels bundled and shoved down their throats.

    2. Re:Micromanagement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      99% of Americans do not want these fucking channels bundled and shoved down their throats.

      Then they should vote with their wallets and stop paying for mega-bundled cable if that's not what they want.

    3. Re:Micromanagement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You act as if there was a genuine free market choice.

      There isn't. It'd be one thing if the cables were managed separately from the content, but they aren't.

    4. Re:Micromanagement by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Has it occurred to you that breaking up the forced bundling of channels actually creates a free market solution?

      If nobody wants shitty channels, nobody pays for shitty channels, and shitty channels cease to exist. Right now they are subsidized by the channels people give half a shit about.

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  49. No Torrent Left Behind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .... sounds like a good Bill title

  50. Why are their even parties? by BurfCurse · · Score: 1

    I thought the GOP stood for smaller government?

  51. Sounds like shit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The govt should stay the fuck out of the cable TV biz and let the free market operate.

    John McCain, thank you for your military service to our country, but please kindly go fuck off and retire. You've turned into a rino socialist libtard in your old age. You've now become as big of an embarrassment to Arizona as Janet Napolitano.

    1. Re:Sounds like shit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you Mr. Comcast shill. Politely go die in a fire now.

  52. Cable is annoying but do we need legislation? by Control-Z · · Score: 1

    I don't think we need legislation to unbundle cable channels, if consumer demand is strong enough it will happen. The problem is too many people just pay their ever-increasing cable bills and perpetuate the problem.

    How would you like it if Congress decided to come unbundle your products or services?

  53. Same old John McCain... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Same old John McCain serving himself and getting ready for his years watching tv in the senior home.

  54. Can't wait for an end to the dirty tricks... by daq+man · · Score: 1

    ...not holding my breath though.

    Verizon FiOS currently has me over a barrel. My family watch shows on only a handful of the 200+ (probably 300 or 400 by now) channels that I'm paying for. Of the three channels we watch most, say A, B, and C to protect the innocent, the lowest tier of FiOS has none. The second tier has A but not B or C. The next tier has B and C but not A. The third tier has A, B and C. So I have to pay for next to the top most expensive tier to get the three channels. Add to that the fact that to watch it I have to rent a couple of "set top boxes" (quotes because it's under the set because you can't balance it on top of a flat screen) despite both TVs having perfectly good digital tuners sitting unused. Why do I need a decoder box when they have a huge box bolted to the side of the house? Can't they decode it in that and let me use my own TV tuner?

    1. Re:Can't wait for an end to the dirty tricks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, because then they cant force you to rent all those secret decoder boxes.
      Plus they worry about "cable theft".

  55. No Guarantees of Survival by number17 · · Score: 1

    I don't think most people have thought through the what would actually happen if TV went a la carte. The only stations that would survive are the ones that get the most subscriptions (money), not necessarily the same as those with the best content. It would be a major shakeup far more reaching then just content providers and broadcasters.

    I took the dive and cancelled my TV subscription years ago. The one thing that I miss is live sports, particularly my hometown NHL team. Im quite certain that those sports teams in my hometown that rely on TV funding would fold with a la carte TV funding as they can't even sell out the seats.

  56. Futile by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 1

    So they pass a law saying cable companies have to let you get your channels a-la-carte. So what? Cable companies will offer customers the "package" for, say, $100, or individual channels for $25 each. Who would go for that kind of-la-carte price?

  57. Cable business model by psydeshow · · Score: 1

    Finally, a reason to love the conservative vilification of Hollywood! (Brought to you by... Hollywood! but I digress.)

    The business model for cable television relies on bundling, where a portion of your monthly cable bill goes to all those channels that you have access to but don't watch. If this bill passes (FAT CHANCE) it will utterly change what cable looks like.

    Fictional example: The Dogfood Channel gets 1 cent per month for every subscriber. But because Dogfood's parent company Viacom requires any cable operator that carries MTV to also carry Dogfood, the 200 million cable subscribers with access to MTV mean a revenue stream of $2,000,000 *monthly* for Dogfood. Most of which is shared back to Viacom, which spends maybe $10,000,000 *annually* to produce the warmed-over reality advertorials on the channel. That's $14 million in profit for Viacom on just one channel.

    The big TV producers have a huge incentive to invent new channels full of cheap fluff, and force cable operators to carry them.

    Cable companies, by the way, will likely be in favor of this legislation, because if subscribers only pay for what they want, and the operators charge overhead on each selection, then they stand to make more money then they currently do. At any rate, a larger percentage of what subscribers pay will stay with the cable company, rather than going to access fees on all those channels they didn't want to carry in the first place because nobody watches them.

    It will also make the local advertising that they sell worth more because there will be way less inventory, and the ads will reach a much more targeted demographic.

    On the other hand, if I can get a la carte channel service via the cable company, why not just skip the middleman and order my channels directly from the producer, via internet streaming?

    This bill will never pass, but only because it destroys the business model of a handful of big, powerful TV production companies. Consumers and cable companies would both benefit, at least in the short run.

  58. Please make this happen by Splitterside · · Score: 1

    I have had my issues with John McCain and his politics in the past, but this is just GENIUS!

  59. No this doesnt sound good by cheezedawg · · Score: 1

    Do you think it is in the purview or expertise of the Federal government to tell private business what products they must offer?

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    1. Re:No this doesnt sound good by jkauzlar · · Score: 1

      No what products to offer, but how to offer them, inasmuch as it's meant to protect consumers. In this case, I'm not sure it's protecting anyone but the established channels and forcing consumers to pay more for the ones they want.

  60. I agree with the OP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's next though? Will they force companies to allow you to buy your shows ala cart as well?

    Cable isn't vital, government has no business in it.

    If people don't like the current pricing/business plan, they should stop paying like so many have done.

  61. Unimplementable In Many Cases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This AC has worked in the cable industry for almost 10 years. Consider a property with 1200 apartment units that an MDU PCO (Multiple Dwelling Unit Private Cable Operator) has a contract to provide cable, Internet, and VoIP service to. This is a very common situation in the US. To do this, there's a headend room with a bunch of receiver boxes in it, each set to a channel, with their outputs fed into a modulator with a single coax cable output. That coax cable output is run throughout the complex, feeding all 1200 units. When someone signs up for service, a cable guy is dispatched to go remove the frequency attenuator (the "trap") to let whatever block of channels through that they're paying for. The frequency bands aren't that tight though; you cant stack dozens of them up to allow channels 6, 8, 19, 22, 35, 56, 63, and 68 through and disallow all the rest. Even if you could, the profit margins are such that the PCO, who is at the mercy of both Dish and whatever payday-loan bank that owns them and siphons all of their profits off in the form of interest, won't stay in business long. Cable companies that are nothing more than resellers of TV and that maintain the last mile and bill the customers are not even break-even. They are slowly-die-until-investors-pull-the-plug, and aren't going to implement ala-carte. It'll take a complete disruption - new infrastructure, fiber, new business model - to make ala-carte to the majority of US residences happen.

    The reality is that it's not going to happen. Ala-carte viewing will come, and is already coming, in the form of what people watch on the Internet. Everybody but cable company executives seem to understand this.

    1. Re:Unimplementable In Many Cases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So scrap the video channels completely, and use all the frequencies in the coax for IP data services, and use streaming video with H.264 compression instead.

      Bam, a la carte service.

  62. Huh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While I applaud an old, white Republican for not being stuck in the past and trying to push forward, it's a touch too late for TV.
    But, better late than never. Maybe I'll buy a few channels if this finally happens.

  63. Why would I care? by userw014 · · Score: 1

    I don't subscribe to cable TV or even watch broadcast TV anymore. And I don't even watch shows in the internet.

    The effort of finding a show worth watching - and the suffering I would experience watching the advertisements that accompany these shows have discouraged me completely. Finding new shows on my own isn't worth the reward of some novel entertainment (discounted for the horrible, soul-crunching advertisements.)

    Broadcast/Cable TV have lost to the internet - and the piss-poor internet service in the states make spending your time doing just about anything else more worthwhile.

    1. Re:Why would I care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't subscribe to cable TV or even watch broadcast TV anymore. And I don't even watch shows in the internet.

      You are lying, and everyone who reads your comment knows it.

  64. We? by drainbramage · · Score: 1

    You recognize the hypocrisy.
    The people spewing the vitriol know themselves as pillars of virtue, the true keepers of the light and the one ring.

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  65. It won't save you any money by 91degrees · · Score: 1

    The cable company doesn't buy a bunch of channels and then sell them at a fixed markup. They charge what they think you'll pay.

    Look at it like this - the cable channel offers "The Entertainment Channel" and "The Knitting Channel" as a package for $10 a month. Everyone wants the entertainment channel. Only a handful want the knitting channel.

    They're forced to offer a la carte. Since 90% of their subscribers have no interest in knitting, we can assume that we can charge them $10 for the Entertainment channel on its own.

    The reason they bundle the knitting channel is that a few subscribers don't think it's worth $10 for that alone. But for the bundle they'll pay the extra. The Knitting channel gets a trivial amount of the subscription fee.

    Under the a la carte plan, you pay the same amount but get less, unless you're also a fan of knitting, in which case you pay $11.

    How is this better?

  66. That's nice . . . by Kimomaru · · Score: 1

    Good to see our tax dollars at work, focusing on the real issues.

    I thought the Republican party was about getting government out of people lives? Maybe it's for everything but cable television. And women's rights. And marijuana. And indecency. And religion in school.

    OTHERWISE, they're totally Live Free or Die.

    And, by the way, no one should care about cable anymore. Seriously.

  67. sounds good but... by shadowrat · · Score: 1

    Yeah, if TV was perfect I could just pay for a couple channels. But, do we need legislation to ensure I get the kind of TV package I want? This isn't a life or death situation. This isn't an inalienable human right. It's TV channels! It's one of the ultimate luxuries in the history of the world. Has tv ever really enriched anyone's life THAT MUCH?

    Right now i have the option, as a consumer, to not pay for any tv channels. I exercise that option. You know what? I'm actually really happy with my decision. I get more than enough entertainment through netflix and online games. Yes. TV packages are a bad deal, but it's not like we, as consumers, don't have options.

    When i think about it, subscribing to a channel isn't even what i really want. What I want is just a' la carte shows. Even with a channel you are locked into that channel's schedule. It's archaic and backwards if you ask me. Oh look, those options like netflix and hulu (and pirating) are already giving a superior option in my opinion.

  68. The real reason it won't pass ... by mordred99 · · Score: 1

    The real reason it won't be liked by the content providers (dish, direct tv, cox, comcast, etc), and the channel providers (espn, tnt, discovery, etc.) are all tied to how they currently have their systems. The content providers won't like it much as they have to upgrade their network. They have this aging dinosaur of legacy cable in the ground, and have oil can type filters on their channels. This will require every TV to have a digital box on it to work. Yes they can amortize the cost by charging you $10 a month (or more), but that is not what the customers really want. They want to pay as least amount they can. Imagine a house that has 4 TVs (as many do), and now you are paying $20 a month for service (what is going to be required, just so you can be billed), and $40 just to watch shows on your 4 TVs. That is $60 a month before you pay for the content ... Now you are going to pay for each channel you want. Lets say you are a professional sports enthusiast, and want your channels. You need ESPN, TNT, TBS, NFL, MLBtv, plus the locals just to watch all the games and playoffs. That is probably $20 a month right there (according to cost (before markup) that is paid to each channel by the content providers). We have not even gotten into the costs that are there to watch "shows".

    Channel providers have tied their contracts to "cost per seat" style licensing. This means if a content provider has 1.2 million subscribers, they have to pay 1.2 million times the going rate monthly to the channel provider to "carry" that channel, regardless of number of people who actually subscribe to that channel. They love this model as if they can get a critical mass of people (look at AMC and when it was not carried on a cable network, and they almost had a revolt when "walking dead" came back on), they can force more money from the content providers. This is exactly what they want, and don't want to have to deal with real world market forces. In fact, many channels would go away for good if people had to pay to get them. Look at things like FX, which does not have original programming (to my knowledge, it might now, I don't have cable, and use appropriate channel for my point), but only shows re-runs. Who is going to pay for that? Not many people. But since they are now bundled, and at little cost to the content provider, they ride on the coat tails of another company. If they had to compete directly, they would be ruined in months, and disappear.

    This is what they have to address with this bill, should it be good for Americans. They need to provide a way for the content providers to have a service, and they pay for as you go, and pay for the services you use, and not screw the customers for the costs of the upgrades that have so long been needed to their decaying systems. Secondly the channel providers need to realize that they have to fight for time and eye balls now. They have to provide content and actually have decent programming. I don't know how they are going to pull this one off, as these two markets are already established, and the massive changes needed will not be in the final bill passed and we will get some bastardization which wont help anyone (like the health care bill).

  69. I'd Pay to Delete Most Channels by krsmav · · Score: 1

    Of my 1000 channel choices, I have, 24/7, 10 devoted to Dog the Bounty Hunter, 20 to new-age religion, 20 to old-age religion, 20 to new-age vampires, 20 to clairvoyant detectives, 200 to shopping and infomercials, 50 to soft- and medium-core porn (when I can get the hard stuff free on the net), 20 to fishing competitions, 20 to trash food (cooked on top of your car engine while you drive), 99 to trash sports, 300 to foreign language programming in languages I don't speak, 2 to high-school girls' volleyball, 5 to News for Voles (no, wait, that's Monty Python) et cetera ad infinitum. I would in fact pay extra to DELETE these channels, leaving the 100 or so choices I might actually watch.

  70. The definition of Moderate by Pfhorrest · · Score: 1

    Quick - define "moderate" without using your own ideology as a guide, and be intellectually honest when you try.

    Being willing to consider all ideas regardless of whose "side" those ideas are associated with, and being willing to move incrementally forward and make improvements to the country (i.e. progressive, not reactionary), but unwilling to rush big changes and break what already works without a secure alternative already in place (i.e. conservative, not radical).

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  71. Not balanced -- look at delta derp by dlenmn · · Score: 1

    Speaking as someone who has only voted for Libertarian presidential candidates, you're crazy if you think both sides are balanced in their craziness.

    I realize there's plenty of derp on both sides -- as evidenced by your example, but it's generally not divided equally. I'd say the division was much more equal a decade ago, but it simply isn't that way any more.

    I don't think listing examples is an effective way to argue about the absolute magnitude of derp. Listing examples of delta derp might be more efficient.

  72. How about 'a la carte' fries? by loufoque · · Score: 1

    McCain's are the best.

  73. McCain != Conservative by Lawrence_Bird · · Score: 1

    He is about as far from one as possible. This is blatant interference in private commerce. Nobody is compelled to have cable fiber or sat TV. If the providers dont want to do a la carte, that is their business in every sense of the word. And if content producers want to bundle their offerings, that is their right as well. And please don't think for a minute that McCain is doing this for the people.

  74. RINO by ZombieBraintrust · · Score: 1

    You need to be RINO if you want a bill to pass the the Senate. Plenty of "real" Republicans can get bills passed in the House that go nowhere in the Senate.

  75. Netflix vrs Itunes by ZombieBraintrust · · Score: 1

    You also got to wonder it the bill would outlaw Netflix and Hulu. Those are subscription based TV where everything is bundled together. If people wanted A-La-Cart they would use Amazon or Itunes.

  76. Netflix by ZombieBraintrust · · Score: 1

    al-la-cart on on the Internet is not doing to well. I am pretty sure Netflix uses more bandwidth than Amazon and Itunes combined.

  77. Praying for this to pass!!! by kgroombr · · Score: 1

    Hope this passes so I don't have to pay for 200 channels of crap just to get the five channels I watch.

  78. OMG!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A Republican pushing for something I potentially agree with.

  79. Wow, thanks Uncle John! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (An open letter to John McCain.)

    Thank you for wasting the tax payers' money and the oxygen you consumed while things that mattered and needed your attention were ignored. I'm sure you see it as critically important to make sure people can get E! without MTV if they want it, but the vestiges of slavery that remain in the form of our nation's fucked up immigration policies that treat people as criminals by falling out of a vagina on the wrong side of an imaginary line, and the fact that your cronies keep running away to the bank (or from it!) with everyone else's money in their pockets and manage to avoid the jail time they so richly deserve continue to be the order of the day in this country.

    We make people jump through hoops to drive a fucking car, or to buy one, but we can't manage to enact legislation to stop psychopaths from buying limitless quantities of guns and ammunition, largely thanks to people like John McCain who pretend they're earning their enormous paychecks while doing none of the things that so desperately need doing in this country.

    While you're at it, Johnny, why not introduce legislation requiring horses and their riders to yield to them thar fancy, new-fangled auto-mo-beel contraptions?

    News flash, you decrepit animated corpse... you're trying to lock the barn door 100 years after the last horse died and people are flying around with jet-packs on. Why are you still in the Senate? You have no credibility left, no one takes you seriously anymore, and all you and your hench-coworkers do is conspire to prevent anything useful or good coming out of your house of the legislature. You lost what was left of my respect when you chose Dan Quayle In Drag as a running-mate in '08. Every sad, pathetic thing you did after that was just icing on the cake.

    In short, you stopped mattering a long time ago, but someone forgot to tell the morons who keep electing you to office. You are the poster-child for TERM LIMITS! I'm no fan of BHO, but thank God Almighty we were spared having YOU as President.

  80. internets is different by Khashishi · · Score: 1

    /. would be up in arms if the government mandated that ISPs had different prices for access to different websites. Want the xxx domain? Better get the premium package.

  81. the death of variety by Khashishi · · Score: 1

    all the niche programming will go away, and you'll be left with just a few popular channels.

  82. Summary is Wrong by acoustix · · Score: 1

    Disney does not sell access to ABC and does not get subscriber fees for it either. Broadcast stations are split up into local affiliates. These are generally owned by companies like Sinclair. Sinclair might chose to require subscription fees instead of listing as a "must carry", but this is completely up to the affiliate and not the broadcast network like ABC.

    A better explanation would be subscribing to ESPN without being required to buy ESPN2, ESPNU, ESPN News, ESPN Classic, etc.

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    "A plan fiendishly clever in its intricacies"- Homer Simpson
  83. Here's The Truth... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You all whine and complain Republicans this, Democrats that... Anyone want some cheese with that whine? Guess what? As long as you keep electing the same useless old parties, which are actually just the same, all they are is a bunch of politicians taking liberties with our rights because you keep re-electing them and big business keeps buying them off, "Nothing Will Ever Change", unless you change. There are other political parties out there, learn to educate yourselves and children, and make a change and difference. We have The Constitution Party, The Libertarian Party and at least 3 or 4 more political parties to check out. Now I am getting off my soap box and bidding all you complainers a goodnight, and hope you learn to educate yourselves, out country is struggling enough.

  84. Hadn't thought of that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hadn't thought of how useful it would be to parse hat data. Illegals, liberals, stolid people... There is no end.

  85. We've been down this road by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We've seen this before. I think there are probably too many corporate interests that would prevent it from happening. But, Comcast smells a rat -- they are now sending out these promotions for contract-based services (Internet now, but later who knows), in an attempt to lure folks into that business model. I imagine partly due to the threat of a la carte being forced upon the industry.

    This remains to be seen, but I would really appreciate not having to unfairly pay for bundles of garbage I don't want.

  86. Yea Sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All I have to say... if this happens, there must be a Santa Claus. The cable companies have a great racket going on..... charging more and more money, while broadcasting more and more infomercials!

  87. Why is this the job of government? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is pathetic.

  88. My dream from the late 80's by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

    Ah, my dream from the late 80's surfaces again. I proposed this exact model a long time ago using ATM. With bandwidth, jitter, and latency guarantees ATM is the perfect protocol for audio and video (and the ultimate setup for low-latency gaming!). I said then (and still believe) that I'd rather have 5 ATM channels that I can connect to any video source I choose than 500 of what the cable company wants me to see. Why shouldn't I be able to see Portland Oregon's evening news? Why shouldn't I be able to take a peek at the local stations in George Town, Grand Cayman?

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    Tiller's Rule: Never use a word in written form that you've only heard and never read. You will end up looking foolish.
  89. What people overlook about Ala Carte by TheLoneGundam · · Score: 1

    Ala carte channels would be governed by the law of supply and demand; so if you and five of your friends are the only ones who want to watch "The Channel That Shows Video from Alt.Plan9.OS.Demos" the price is going to be pretty high. None of the ala carte proposals I've ever seen say that the channel provider has to make those channels cheap.