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Re:Commercial GPL
WARNING WARNING WARNING! I AM NOT A LAWYER, AND THE FOLLOWING IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE. IN FACT, I KNOW VERY LITTLE OF THE REQUIRED KNOWLEDGE, AND THE FOLLOWING IS INTENDED TO REFLECT MY CURRENT THINKING ONLY. WARNING WARNING WARNING!
LGPL is what lets me use things like libPNG or ZLib in my commercial application without giving away the unrelated source code to my entire program. LGPL is a good thing if you value PNG support in other programs that aren't going to be using GPL themselves.
(The following assumes you are not the copyright holder to the MPL sources.)
Doesn't the MPL allow this as well? In fact, the only time you need to relicense your code under the MPL is if you directly use MPL text. If you don't modify the files or copy-and-paste from the MPL sources, then your contribution can be under any license you wish. IANAL, but that's what the MPL seems to indicate to me.
Now, you can't relicense works based on MPL source under the GPL; although, you can with the LGPL. I think that the main reason is the "patent peace" cause in the MPL. Still, that's a good idea that many licenses are starting to include. There are even rumors that the next generation of the GPL will include something simular. However in the meantime that's why there are MPL/LGPL/GPL tri-licenses is out there.
Now the MPL has its flaws. Some of the requirements don't seem very general purpose. I generally agree with the CDDL's modifications, except for its noted patent peace problems among other minor things. Personally, I want something like the MPL that is easy to apply to a project, yet allows other parties to use any license for other works that associate to/from/with the project or works that that don't contain any of the project's copyrighted stuff. Does anyone have any ideas?
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Re:Commercial GPL
WARNING WARNING WARNING! I AM NOT A LAWYER, AND THE FOLLOWING IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE. IN FACT, I KNOW VERY LITTLE OF THE REQUIRED KNOWLEDGE, AND THE FOLLOWING IS INTENDED TO REFLECT MY CURRENT THINKING ONLY. WARNING WARNING WARNING!
LGPL is what lets me use things like libPNG or ZLib in my commercial application without giving away the unrelated source code to my entire program. LGPL is a good thing if you value PNG support in other programs that aren't going to be using GPL themselves.
(The following assumes you are not the copyright holder to the MPL sources.)
Doesn't the MPL allow this as well? In fact, the only time you need to relicense your code under the MPL is if you directly use MPL text. If you don't modify the files or copy-and-paste from the MPL sources, then your contribution can be under any license you wish. IANAL, but that's what the MPL seems to indicate to me.
Now, you can't relicense works based on MPL source under the GPL; although, you can with the LGPL. I think that the main reason is the "patent peace" cause in the MPL. Still, that's a good idea that many licenses are starting to include. There are even rumors that the next generation of the GPL will include something simular. However in the meantime that's why there are MPL/LGPL/GPL tri-licenses is out there.
Now the MPL has its flaws. Some of the requirements don't seem very general purpose. I generally agree with the CDDL's modifications, except for its noted patent peace problems among other minor things. Personally, I want something like the MPL that is easy to apply to a project, yet allows other parties to use any license for other works that associate to/from/with the project or works that that don't contain any of the project's copyrighted stuff. Does anyone have any ideas?
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Real solution...
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Re:I wonder what MS has stolen from firefox
IE needs to include an about:kitchensink. It's been missing for, what, seven years now, and makes life hard for web developers, who have to use non-standard taps. Please!
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Re:I wonder what MS has stolen from firefoxand others....
Among the others, MS should definitely include the Abe Vigoda Status extension in IE7.
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Re:Question
The latest CVS code has a fix already checked in. Until 1.0.1 comes out, I guess the best you could do is download a nightly.
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Re:Firefox Plugins Links ThreadThank-you, kind sir - a most excellent post, and bad karma to those who down-modded it!
Find every single Firefox extension in the world here
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Firefox Plugins Links ThreadMy favorite thing about stories like this is that creates fertile ground on which to find links for warez to enhance whatever the given program of discussion is. That is the purpose of this thread. Its secondary purpose is to give me some karma, as I am in a whorish mood.
Allow me to kick it off. The following are links for Firefox browsers only as they will install themselves automagically upon click. You've been warned. A couple of these, I forgot which, install links are for the MS Windows platforms since most of you suckers use Windows even though this site is about Linux leetness.
Autocopy saves you from having to hit ctrl+c to copy highlighted text, sort of like most remote terminal programs and irc clients
DictionarySearch will allow you get dictionary.com definitions in a new background tab by highlighting a word, right clicking it, and in the menu you can hit Dictionary Search for "triskaidekaphobia"
Adblock
should be self-explanatory.
This one will identify the current US Homeland Security terrorism threat level with a small colored box in the status bar (fun for showing off to get IE users to make the switch)
Stock ticker. When putting in your symbols, here are a few symbols for some indices: ^NDX (nasdaq), ^DJI (dow jones industrial average), ^GSPC for the S&P 500
LinkPreview will pop up thumbnail preview images [most of the time] when you mouseover a link. Frickin awesome. Requires restart.Time to stop and hit submit before this article gets too many posts so that I may maximize karma intake
:). Please reply with links to your own favorite plugins/extensions.Yours, Douglas Simmons
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Firefox Plugins Links ThreadMy favorite thing about stories like this is that creates fertile ground on which to find links for warez to enhance whatever the given program of discussion is. That is the purpose of this thread. Its secondary purpose is to give me some karma, as I am in a whorish mood.
Allow me to kick it off. The following are links for Firefox browsers only as they will install themselves automagically upon click. You've been warned. A couple of these, I forgot which, install links are for the MS Windows platforms since most of you suckers use Windows even though this site is about Linux leetness.
Autocopy saves you from having to hit ctrl+c to copy highlighted text, sort of like most remote terminal programs and irc clients
DictionarySearch will allow you get dictionary.com definitions in a new background tab by highlighting a word, right clicking it, and in the menu you can hit Dictionary Search for "triskaidekaphobia"
Adblock
should be self-explanatory.
This one will identify the current US Homeland Security terrorism threat level with a small colored box in the status bar (fun for showing off to get IE users to make the switch)
Stock ticker. When putting in your symbols, here are a few symbols for some indices: ^NDX (nasdaq), ^DJI (dow jones industrial average), ^GSPC for the S&P 500
LinkPreview will pop up thumbnail preview images [most of the time] when you mouseover a link. Frickin awesome. Requires restart.Time to stop and hit submit before this article gets too many posts so that I may maximize karma intake
:). Please reply with links to your own favorite plugins/extensions.Yours, Douglas Simmons
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Firefox Plugins Links ThreadMy favorite thing about stories like this is that creates fertile ground on which to find links for warez to enhance whatever the given program of discussion is. That is the purpose of this thread. Its secondary purpose is to give me some karma, as I am in a whorish mood.
Allow me to kick it off. The following are links for Firefox browsers only as they will install themselves automagically upon click. You've been warned. A couple of these, I forgot which, install links are for the MS Windows platforms since most of you suckers use Windows even though this site is about Linux leetness.
Autocopy saves you from having to hit ctrl+c to copy highlighted text, sort of like most remote terminal programs and irc clients
DictionarySearch will allow you get dictionary.com definitions in a new background tab by highlighting a word, right clicking it, and in the menu you can hit Dictionary Search for "triskaidekaphobia"
Adblock
should be self-explanatory.
This one will identify the current US Homeland Security terrorism threat level with a small colored box in the status bar (fun for showing off to get IE users to make the switch)
Stock ticker. When putting in your symbols, here are a few symbols for some indices: ^NDX (nasdaq), ^DJI (dow jones industrial average), ^GSPC for the S&P 500
LinkPreview will pop up thumbnail preview images [most of the time] when you mouseover a link. Frickin awesome. Requires restart.Time to stop and hit submit before this article gets too many posts so that I may maximize karma intake
:). Please reply with links to your own favorite plugins/extensions.Yours, Douglas Simmons
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Firefox Plugins Links ThreadMy favorite thing about stories like this is that creates fertile ground on which to find links for warez to enhance whatever the given program of discussion is. That is the purpose of this thread. Its secondary purpose is to give me some karma, as I am in a whorish mood.
Allow me to kick it off. The following are links for Firefox browsers only as they will install themselves automagically upon click. You've been warned. A couple of these, I forgot which, install links are for the MS Windows platforms since most of you suckers use Windows even though this site is about Linux leetness.
Autocopy saves you from having to hit ctrl+c to copy highlighted text, sort of like most remote terminal programs and irc clients
DictionarySearch will allow you get dictionary.com definitions in a new background tab by highlighting a word, right clicking it, and in the menu you can hit Dictionary Search for "triskaidekaphobia"
Adblock
should be self-explanatory.
This one will identify the current US Homeland Security terrorism threat level with a small colored box in the status bar (fun for showing off to get IE users to make the switch)
Stock ticker. When putting in your symbols, here are a few symbols for some indices: ^NDX (nasdaq), ^DJI (dow jones industrial average), ^GSPC for the S&P 500
LinkPreview will pop up thumbnail preview images [most of the time] when you mouseover a link. Frickin awesome. Requires restart.Time to stop and hit submit before this article gets too many posts so that I may maximize karma intake
:). Please reply with links to your own favorite plugins/extensions.Yours, Douglas Simmons
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Firefox Plugins Links ThreadMy favorite thing about stories like this is that creates fertile ground on which to find links for warez to enhance whatever the given program of discussion is. That is the purpose of this thread. Its secondary purpose is to give me some karma, as I am in a whorish mood.
Allow me to kick it off. The following are links for Firefox browsers only as they will install themselves automagically upon click. You've been warned. A couple of these, I forgot which, install links are for the MS Windows platforms since most of you suckers use Windows even though this site is about Linux leetness.
Autocopy saves you from having to hit ctrl+c to copy highlighted text, sort of like most remote terminal programs and irc clients
DictionarySearch will allow you get dictionary.com definitions in a new background tab by highlighting a word, right clicking it, and in the menu you can hit Dictionary Search for "triskaidekaphobia"
Adblock
should be self-explanatory.
This one will identify the current US Homeland Security terrorism threat level with a small colored box in the status bar (fun for showing off to get IE users to make the switch)
Stock ticker. When putting in your symbols, here are a few symbols for some indices: ^NDX (nasdaq), ^DJI (dow jones industrial average), ^GSPC for the S&P 500
LinkPreview will pop up thumbnail preview images [most of the time] when you mouseover a link. Frickin awesome. Requires restart.Time to stop and hit submit before this article gets too many posts so that I may maximize karma intake
:). Please reply with links to your own favorite plugins/extensions.Yours, Douglas Simmons
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Firefox Plugins Links ThreadMy favorite thing about stories like this is that creates fertile ground on which to find links for warez to enhance whatever the given program of discussion is. That is the purpose of this thread. Its secondary purpose is to give me some karma, as I am in a whorish mood.
Allow me to kick it off. The following are links for Firefox browsers only as they will install themselves automagically upon click. You've been warned. A couple of these, I forgot which, install links are for the MS Windows platforms since most of you suckers use Windows even though this site is about Linux leetness.
Autocopy saves you from having to hit ctrl+c to copy highlighted text, sort of like most remote terminal programs and irc clients
DictionarySearch will allow you get dictionary.com definitions in a new background tab by highlighting a word, right clicking it, and in the menu you can hit Dictionary Search for "triskaidekaphobia"
Adblock
should be self-explanatory.
This one will identify the current US Homeland Security terrorism threat level with a small colored box in the status bar (fun for showing off to get IE users to make the switch)
Stock ticker. When putting in your symbols, here are a few symbols for some indices: ^NDX (nasdaq), ^DJI (dow jones industrial average), ^GSPC for the S&P 500
LinkPreview will pop up thumbnail preview images [most of the time] when you mouseover a link. Frickin awesome. Requires restart.Time to stop and hit submit before this article gets too many posts so that I may maximize karma intake
:). Please reply with links to your own favorite plugins/extensions.Yours, Douglas Simmons
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Re:Root still the default login?
(Oops - I wish Slashdot came with a spell-checker
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I wish you used Firefox and SpellBound. -
Re:Shame about the copyright assignment
Ank. Read the Mozilla patch lifecycle. As for FireFox, they don't accept ANY patches.
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Re:IE *can't* go away
ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/ using standard ftp.exe. Not the best solution for Joe User, but it's still possible to download things without a web browser.
And after I install FireFox to replace IE, there is little reason to keep IE around, except for the programs that depend on its libraries. -
slrn
slrn has been asymtotically approaching a v1.0 release (it's at v0.9.8.1 now). It has fewer bugs than other news readers like Mozilla Thunderbird and Microsoft Outlook. Who cares that it's not "production"?
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Re:Also
Yeah, but going to the right porn sites with the right plugins in Firefox can be sweet. Pretty much any TGP list with the linked images bookmarklet (opens up any link which is just a thumbnail linking to a bigger picture.) and mouse gestures with open selected links in new tabs enabled.
Now that makes for a faster wanking experience. -
Re:Firefox patches
1.01 is on the way.
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Re:Whats the Point?
I would normally agree with you since all they're doing is cutting a second here or there, right? However, something I really like in Opera is that it's back/forward feature is damn near instantaneous. The server speed doesn't matter, since everything seems to work in RAM.
I'm not an expert, but I heard it's because Opera caches the DOM (document object model) tree, so not only the document images and text, but also the state is saved down to the smallest detail so it doesn't even have to touch the server when you go back. This has also the advantage of having all form data saved across back/forward flips, and more. Unfortunately, Firefox does not do this and the reason for all those small but annoying delays, and sometimes even causing disadvantages to the user, beyond the slower speed.
There's a five year old Bugzilla bug about this by the way, so it has been discussed. -
Re:ahem..
As long as you don't run into the memory deallocation issue in Firefox before that. I've browsed some gallery sites in Firefox and opened a few tabs in it, and at times it reaches 200 MB+ RAM usage. Which is maintained after you've closed all tabs of course. Oh well, it's at least a documented bug.
:-/ (with 232 votes, hehe...) A major reason I've went back to Opera for now. I'll take another look in Firefox 1.1. My poor 512 MB RAM system simply can't stand these symptoms. -
Re:ahem..
As long as you don't run into the memory deallocation issue in Firefox before that. I've browsed some gallery sites in Firefox and opened a few tabs in it, and at times it reaches 200 MB+ RAM usage. Which is maintained after you've closed all tabs of course. Oh well, it's at least a documented bug.
:-/ (with 232 votes, hehe...) A major reason I've went back to Opera for now. I'll take another look in Firefox 1.1. My poor 512 MB RAM system simply can't stand these symptoms. -
One advantage to Firefox...
...is that a motivated user can compile an optimized version or download an optimized build.
That option certainly isn't available in IE or Opera. -
Re:Not needed.
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Re:Firefox's search box is bad UI design
As others have already pointed out, you can use hotkeys to focus the location box (Ctrl-L) and search box (Ctrl-K). This also automatically selects the existing text in the box so you can just press "Delete" to clear it.
In Mozilla's location box, it's only setup for one search engine. In Firefox, you can setup multiple search engines for the search box and use "Ctrl-Up" and "Ctrl-Down" to select them.
However, personally I am more used to Custom Keywords. For example, when I search for "slashdot", I do: Ctrl-L, "g slashdot", then [Enter]. -
Re:The worst one
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Re:We saved a bunch of money
No, you have to wrong number! You want Gecko!
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Re:greatest google creation ever
You can now. Creat a smart keyword for it in Firefox.
01. Go to Maps.google.com
02. Right click in the main text area search box
03. Select "Add a keyword for this search"
04. Type in a name (ex. Google Maps)
05. Type in a keyword (ex. map)
06. Save it in a folder in your bookmarks
Now type "map LAX to ONT" in your location bar in firefox and presto.
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Re:Quality
What do you mean MINOR format? PNG alpha channels have lots of uses in web design.
Imagine your website has some kind of pattern as a background image, and you want to have an image with transparency. Currently, you have to do that by making a gif that's only got a 1-bit alpha channel (eg, every pixel is either fully opaque or fully transparent). PNG transparency allows you to have soft edges on your image that blend nicely into the background, no matter where on the background they're placed.
Perhaps you should inspect the PNG Alpha Demo. It's really quite impressive, but don't bother opening it in IE. -
Re:Both browsers?
They have one, it's called xhtml. Last I heard this was the code used to make web pages appear in any browser.
Now, if only they all could render the same code the same way. Unfortunately nobody seems to write a 100% "standards" compliant render of the every page. -
Re:"Determine the outcome?"
Nitpick: not by the GPL, but by the Mozilla Public License. The two are similar, but not compatible. And the MPL is less readable... (source: cliking About Mozilla in my current browser, and
Nitpick: Mozilla is actually triple-licensed, and is available under the terms of the MPL, GPL and LGPL. See the Relicensing FAQ. -
Re:IE and Firefox have different problems
Actually Mozilla does have that kind of security system in place. The "capability.policy.*" prefs give you a high degree of control over what things can do. http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/componen
t s/ConfigPolicy.html starts to cover it, concentrating on JavaScript and DOM accesses. There's no UI yet, mainly because there's no easy way of packaging up what you need to know to make a good decision, but once your local geek's got something he can give you a chunk of text to put in user.js, or a pre-packaged XPI, and you can go ahead and use it without having to know the details yourself. -
Re:IE and Firefox have different problems
This is why Mozilla Update exists. A safe haven for users to find extentions that won't screw them over.
Supposedly.
If nothing else, at least it has a rating and feedback system, so you'll have a heads up from others. -
Re:What about Safari?
It doesn't work on netscape 3 either. Both of which are obsolete and unsupported. Upgrade already
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Works in K-Meleon 0.8.2
Works in K-Meleon 0.8.2, so it should also work in K-Meleon 0.9.
Of course, K-Meleon is Gecko-based, just like Camino for Mac OS X. -
Re:IE and Firefox
Was it just me who pasted that link to check for dodgy characters?
(https://update.mozilla.org/extensions/showlist.ph p?application=firefox&version=1.0&os=Windows&categ ory=Privacy%20and%20Security)
I think my tin foil hat is plotting against me. -
Fix underway for Firefox
As already mentioned by others, it's definitly a problem that the suggested workaround for Firefox
(setting network.enableIDN to false via about:config) doesn't work once you restart your browser (while the flag happily stays at 'false').
The Mozilla folks have picked it up however, so we can expect a fix fairly soon I think:
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Re:IE and Firefox
Spoofstick is a useful tool, too. I don't know if it protects against this particular attack, but it's good for the casual browser (i.e., mom/aunt gert/the cranky old guy down the street who always asks for computer help) to help protect against phishing.
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The firefox-did-it dept.
What on earth does this have to do with everyone's favourite browser?
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Re:Safe Surfering
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Actually, Microsoft's
No, it was not in the Mozilla suite (aka Seamonkey). In fact, it still isn't. It was first seen in Internet Explorer on Macintosh, then (with a lot of refinement) in Mac OS X 10.0, then copied almost pixel by pixel (with an improvement in behaviour) to Firefox.
Is it a big deal? No. But at least don't refute its history.
Internet Explorer for Mac Release Dates (IE 5 was March 2000)
Mac OS X 10.0 Review, Page 10 "The real fun starts when you select "Customize Toolbar..." from the "View" menu (or shift-click the toolbar widget in the window title bar). The contents of the window are replaced by a palette of toolbar widgets shamelessly reminiscent of Internet Explorer's toolbar customization feature."
Independent Mac OS X 10.1 Release Date Mac OS X was released on March 24th, 2001, with a suggested retail price of $129 and a version number of 10.0.
First Customize Toolbar In Any Mozilla Product A few of the features new to this release include: Customizable toolbar.
Phoenix 0.1 Release Date (September 23rd, 2002; over a year later)
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Re:Does it work with Exchange?
I know this is setting me up for a'Floggin', but does it integrate with MS Exchange?
Nope. Right now the Mozilla Calendar Project and, hence, the standalone Mozilla Sunbird, only support open calendering protocols (CalDAV and ICS). While there is demand for Exchange support, noone has stepped up to offer it. I'd guess, as Sunbird and the Lightning Project mature (and if enough demand builds up), someone may release a pay component that handles Exchange connectivity first... followed by an open source one at some later date.
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Re:Does it work with Exchange?
I know this is setting me up for a'Floggin', but does it integrate with MS Exchange?
Nope. Right now the Mozilla Calendar Project and, hence, the standalone Mozilla Sunbird, only support open calendering protocols (CalDAV and ICS). While there is demand for Exchange support, noone has stepped up to offer it. I'd guess, as Sunbird and the Lightning Project mature (and if enough demand builds up), someone may release a pay component that handles Exchange connectivity first... followed by an open source one at some later date.
Head to the Calendar:Protocol/Storage_Providers section of the Mozilla Wiki for more info. -
Thunderbird integration and the Lightning project
Have they/are they planning on integrating it in to thunderbird? It looks a lot like Outlook's calendar, I think integrating it with Thunderbird (and even Firefox? Maybe let you add items through Firefox?) would be their greatest 'next' step.
The Mozilla Calendar Project is actually a plugin for Firefox and Thunderbird that adds a calendar to either program. Mozilla Sunbird is the standalone version of this.
The calendar plugin doesn't really "integrate" into Thunderbird as most would like, though, which is why the Lightning project was begun (it was mentioned on Slashdot in December.) The Lightning project aims for "tight" integration with Thunderbird, so you get more of a seamless program to handle all your email, calendar, contact and task needs. Expect to see more about Lightning later this year. -
Is it integrated with Thunderbird yet?
Have they/are they planning on integrating it in to thunderbird? It looks a lot like Outlook's calendar, I think integrating it with Thunderbird (and even Firefox? Maybe let you add items through Firefox?) would be their greatest 'next' step.
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Looks like iCal...
...if iCal got clubbed in the face with a truncheon.
Also, this is cribbed directly from Mac OS X. Good job, fellas. How about coming up with something new and better for once? -
Looks like iCal...
...if iCal got clubbed in the face with a truncheon.
Also, this is cribbed directly from Mac OS X. Good job, fellas. How about coming up with something new and better for once? -
Re:a question...
Cairo's also one of the available rendering backends for Mozilla's SVG project. I was playing with it at work during the week and the results are already quite impressive, even with Mozilla's (or, in this case, Firefox's) still-limited-but-improving SVG support.
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Re:Accountability!
Unfortunately with software, when new features are implemented, the testing process can only be taken so far. And unfortunately there are malicious people out there who will try to exploit any new feature that is added to a popular application.
Even FireFox ran into this issue with their interface being spoofed by malicious code. Bug was reported on 5/28, but not fixed until August.
I think my point is that users should be using COMMON SENSE when browsing. Don't install any application or navigate to any site you don't trust. I honestly doubt the home user searching for information for a Biology exam or information on a Hotel would come across a site that would exploit them using one such as the IFrame vulnerability you described.
Perhaps The X-Files put it best, and it should be applied to the web, Trust No One. -
Re:but but but...From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SVG
SVG was developed in a long process after Macromedia and Microsoft introduced VML whereas Adobe Systems and Sun Microsystems submitted a competing format known as PGML.
And from http://www.adobe.com/svg/indepth/faq.html#vml
Q.
How does SVG relate to VML and PGML?
A.
Vector Markup Language (VML) and Precision Graphics Markup Language (PGML) were both submitted in 1998 as early proposals for beginning a W3C vector graphics standard. VML and PGML are more similar than they are different, but, in general, VML supports the constructs necessary for office graphics, while PGML was proposed to support richer graphics more suited to the professional design and publishing community.
As a result of these and other proposals, the W3C assembled the SVG Working Group. SVG is the culmination of these efforts to fill the need for a standardized vector format that incorporates the best features of both VML and PGML.
Why bother working on getting Mozilla to use an outdated vector markup language when they're eventually going to get SVG going anyways? SVG does everything VML does, and more.