Domain: netmarketshare.com
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Re:Basement lighting
Awww...did the poor little FOSSie have his perception bubble busted again? i do find that so delightful. I don't know whether to laugh at you or feel pity at your being so fucking pathetic, I mean I have wrote article on how to make Linux more accessible to small business, what have you done besides wave your tiny penis and scream shill at anybody that won't kiss RMS' sweaty ass? But don't worry i have some nice facts that will make your day, a place where linux is winning? Its vulnerabilities..
Not only does Linux have 4x++ the amount of unpatched security vulnerabilities its competitor Windows Server 2008 does, but it bears 3 remotely exploitable unpatched security vulnerabilities (THE WORST KIND!): one and a two and a three. But hey, what can you expect from an OS that actually has less users than JavaME which is a shitty sub basement OS they put on Tracphones. Of course when you were given an equal chance to compete a decade old Windows beat the shit out of your Linux on netbooks and even ASUS, which invented the whole netbook for the masses with a Linux unit even ASUS has given up on your bullshit How about how you actually have the balls to celebrate getting a whole 1% market share ?
But you stick your head under your little blankie and start crying about how "Only a shill wouldn't love our perfect OS!" while ignoring all the bugs, the vulnerabilities, failures, hell even Dell has to run their own repos just to keep your "precious" from crapping itself. How much money you think that costs Alex? wanna bet dell is LOSING money on every sale? I bet you think they can make it up on volume though huh? You just keep telling yourself I'm a bad man, I must be a "M$ Ninja" when in reality I'm your worst fucking nightmare...a retailer that has tried your shit and seen what a turd it is. hell its not even up to WinXP standards, much less OSX Lion or Win 7. Hell Vista was the biggest POS on the planet and even with MSFT not even having a horse in the race they fricking STOMPED you with a decade old creaking POS, how fucking sad and pathetic do you have to be to get beat by an OS that is so damned old it came out before SATA or even dual cores and it STILL kicks your ass?
Maybe instead of calling names you should volunteer to fix some of the mess huh? i'm sure you think of yourself as some kind of programming genius because you can copypasta into a CLI. Of course in Windows we would call that a script kiddie, but I guess that means genius in your world. Oh a final bit of info, just FYI...Kernel.org pwnage , Linux.com pwned too oh and MYSQL.com throwing malware worse than a "look at teh titties" toipsite in case you missed it. Man gotta be impressed by that kick ass Linux security, them eyes that make bugs shallow must have cataracts huh?
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Re:Is the desktop still gonna suck?
Actually it was last year. http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=9&qpaf=&qpcustom=Linux&qptimeframe=M&qpsp=143&qpnp=13
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Re:Blame Napster
1. In the US
2. Actually it proves the US can't just push world law
3. Not all countries will accept such US claims
4. Piracy has been on the edges since Napster in 2001, doesn't matter one bit. Speeds go up ,cost/GB goes down in all civilized countries. If the US wants to shoot itself in the foot, it'll do it alone.
5./6. Yes. On the other hand music on iTunes etc. is now DRM free and BluRay seems permanently broken. It is hard to put the cat back in the bag. And on NetMarketshare Linux is now finally moving out of the ~1% band it's been in for years, passing 1.5% last month. They're trying harder, I'm not sure they're winning.
7. You mean VPN? It's not the only way, nor is it required except in the US. At worst you will get a small fine if they pick you from the millions of file sharers.If you can hear a repeating pattern here, it's "US". I'd say you're looking at an increasingly desperate battle because no many victories they claim, they're losing ground in the public opinion. I guess you've heard of the mythical hydra, chop off one head and two new appear? Their victories will be short lived, remember suprnova? Oh yes, the torrent world would now collapse.... nope. Will file hosts go away because MegaUpload did? Nope. And if they did, something better would appear.
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Re:But this paper begs to differ...
Your link is a measurement of web usage, and it contradicts nearly ever other web survey that shows that iOS is dominant in that regard. This was actually discussed in a previous Slashdot article. Many Android sales are to budget buyers who don't use their phones like smartphones.
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Re:Reading the early comments...
Your drivers DO NOT WORK which after 20 damned years you better try something friend, if not an ABI (which BTW, Apple, MSFT, OS/2, BSD, Solaris, what do these have in common? A stable ABI. If its such a bad idea how come everyone else but YOU have them. think linus is smarter than the entire planet?) then you better find something because I can take any bog standard box and use apt-dist-upgrade and watch it puke all over its own drivers and DIE HARD. Hell i'll be happy to post a link to an article from a 10 year plus Linux server admin that is now looking at Macs, why? Because openSUSE puked on itself when upgraded and killed itself. BTW the ONLY article you can post or citation you can post here against an ABI is a RELIGIOUS article by a kernel dev that goes so far as to say "I hope those that use non free drivers have broken systems!" so his goal is NOT to have a solid functional system but to push the FOSS agenda, full stop. Finally look at the numbers, here i'll give you a link now notice how you are being beaten by JavaME, a garbage cell phone OS that is on Fred's and Family Dollar $10 Tracphones, why is that? After 20 years that's the BEST you can do? Retailers won't touch it, no OEM except Dell will carry it (and they won't give you their figures because i'd bet my last dollar they are losing money on every Ubuntu sale) and numbers can't lie friend, they are what they are.
The FOSS community has become IMHO a perfect example of "perception bubble" where everything is happy and gay and no problems must ever be pointed out. You say your OS doesn't need an ABI, then what would YOU do about the OS puking on itself with every. single. apt dist upgrade hmmm? The other guys added an ABI because they didn't want their drivers puking but if you have another way I'd sure like to hear it. here I am in the start of the great XP dieoff and I'm having to scramble to find a source for Win 7 Starter simply because i can't find a single distro that doesn't kill itself when you upgrade the thing and the length of support is too lousy to keep on the same version. The average length of Windows OEM is 11 years, XP-2001-2014, Win 7-2009-2020, I can't even find a FOSS OS that will give you 6 years of reliable updates without shelling out more than the most expensive version of Windows. if you don't like the way i talk sorry chuck, this is called frustration from being constantly lied to for years. I get told 'Linux is ready for the desktop" yet when i try it it dies only to get told I either will have to teach my customers to be unix admins (the cost of training will be MORE than a copy of Windows) or that i must be "doing it wrong" despite the fact that apt-dist-upgrade is not really something one CAN do wrong. the only wrong i'm seeing is the information being placed here by FOSS users who should say "Linux is ready for the desktop*" (*-if you provide free lifetime support or have the skills to diagnose and troubleshoot unix systems) which cuts out 99% of the population and the numbers reflect that. numbers don't lie friend, its not a conspiracy, its that your product simply doesn't work in the home market, not even a little bit. linux is great on servers, kicks ass in embedded, horrible on the desktop.
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LMAO - Back up YOUR b.s. now... apk
"Congratulation, you've lost any possibility to obtain some day any credibility anywhere in the IT world." - by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 06, @04:44PM (#38614880)
See subject-line - when you can show us that you've done MORE, BETTER, & EARLIER in the art & science of computing than I have? Then, you can talk like that... otherwise? LMAO @ U!
(Face it - Linux, with a 1.29% share of market use with Linux on the desktop, vs. Windows with like 85%-94%? Folks LOVE their Windows, so... "argue w/ the numbers" -> http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=10&qptimeframe=M&qpsp=155 )
APK
P.S.=> Your BIG FAIL though? Right here -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2604450&cid=38613662
... apk
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Bugzilla's ONLY UP TODAY (1/6/2012)
Only TODAY (1/6/2012) did bugzilla come "back online", & proof of that's here:
Linux
Apache/2.2.21 (Fedora)
6-Jan-2012
198.145.19.204
Infinity Internet, Inc.http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=bugzilla.kernel.org
(So... Maybe NOW it's up, but it wasn't when this article came out, lol... & others' proofs of that quoted or linked to -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2604450&cid=38591446 show that much per my last post...!)
* LOL - U LOSE/U FAIL!
(Face it - Linux only gets used where MOSTLY "smallish" companies try to save monies on costs of software, but per this link -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2604450&cid=38607134 ? That tells a "little different story" now, doesn't it?? Yes, it does!)
Also?
On PC desktops, Linux only has a 1.29% marketshare -> http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=10&qptimeframe=M&qpsp=155
So what LITTLE GAIN it has @ 70% of the server market doesn't matter - There's far, Far, FAR MORE DESKTOP/HOME PC's, by FAR, using Windows over Linux... roughly 85-95% on Windows last I checked (& the server market can't even BEGIN to touch that use count, there's less servers than desktops is why...).
APK
P.S.=> U FAIL & especially vs. THIS list -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2604450&cid=38607134
... lol!... apkb
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Linux PC desktop marketshare = 1.29% (low)
Linux PC desktop marketshare = 1.29% per this http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=10&qptimeframe=M&qpsp=155
Linux is exposed as just as security vulnerable as any other OS out there in the links I posted (90++ of them no less).
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"Exploiting a websever is a much higher value target than a normal user" - by mSparks43 (757109) on Thursday January 05, @04:46AM (#38594024) Homepage
Linux SURELY DID GET EXPLOITED there in 2011 - to wit/e.g.:
KERNEL.ORG COMPROMISED - The Cracking of Kernel.org: (very bad - do you trust it now?)
http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/08/31/2321232/Kernelorg-Compromised
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Linux.com pwned in fresh round of cyber break-ins: (lol)
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/12/more_linux_sites_down/
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Mysql.com Hacked, Made To Serve Malware:
http://it.slashdot.org/story/11/09/26/2218238/mysqlcom-hacked-made-to-serve-malware
What's that site running? You guessed it - Linux -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=mysql.com
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London Stock Exchange serving malware:
http://slashdot.org/submission/1484548/London-Stock-Exchange-Web-Site-Serving-Malware
(I mean hey - NOT ONLY DID LINUX FALL FLAT ON ITS FACE less than a few minutes into the job http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/02/19/0147232/London-Stock-Exchange-Price-Errors-Emerged-At-Linux-Launch, & crash not only ONCE, but TWICE there? You see "Linux 'fine security'" in motion @ the LSE too!)
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DUQU ROOTKIT/BOTNET BEING SERVED FROM LINUX SERVERS: (very recent):
http://it.slashdot.org/story/11/11/30/1610228/duqu-attackers-managed-to-wipe-cc-servers
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Linux Foundation, Linux.com Sites Down To Fix Security Breach: (lol)
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Linux's showing in CA's breached recently too? Ok: (very, Very, VERY BAD for ecommerce, online shopping, banking, etc./et al)
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=StartCom.com
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=GlobalSign.com
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=Comodo.com
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=DigiCert.com
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.gemnet.nl
The list of CA Servers BREACHED that RUN LINUX (StartCom, GlobalSign, DigiCert, Comodo, GemNet)... per these articles verifying that:
http://itproafrica.com/technology/security/cas-hacked/
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http://threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/site-dutch-ca-gemnet-offline-a
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Re:Source
Also, you quote the 1% figure as though it were gospel - which it is not.
So I rounded to whole numbers. BFD.
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Re:Holiday impact?
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J2ME = opera mini
Their figures for Java ME are precisely their figures for Opera Mini (when categorised as "browser" rather than "operating system")
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Fabricated?
They state right on their web site in the FAQs that the data may be fabricated... http://www.netmarketshare.com/faq.aspx
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Re:How do non-native browsers factor in to this?
Check the bottom-right section of their home page for some changes to their collection methodology. They seem like they have their heads on the right way about the data they're receiving, though it makes me increasingly sad for the mutilation of browser agent strings.
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Re:Holiday impact?
You are correct. Here is a link to a chart with a slightly longer time frame.
JavaME has been rapidly losing share to Android. Thanks bonch for bringing this to everyone's attention.
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Re:China does the same stuff
Then explain the KDELook bug Pug, which was there for over a year unnoticed? or the Quake bug? your logic fails as you automatically assume that because someone CAN do something that means it DOES get done, which just the two above bugs proves is total horseshit. And reverse engineering for security research is quite legal friend, don't know where you got your info but all the major AV firms do that 5 days a week and nobody says squat. Hell it was Russinovich at MSFT Research that came up with the info on the Sony rootkits and published exactly how it worked by reverse engineering and i didn't see anybody knocking on his door.
But frankly all this flag waving and fangirl horseshit really doesn't surprise me anymore, mikey 400 accounts is right that
/. = stagnated. Hell they might as well change the name to boycott Novell for all the FOSSie trollbait bullshit they post here now. Lets be honest a minute, okay? your OS has less users than JavaME, a shitty cell phone OS used by Fred's on $10 phones. No how many top shelf researchers and programmers are bothering to ON THEIR OWN TIME look through millions of lines of code for a hidden bug? Not to mention the "Whose watching the watchers" problem of hidden code in the compiler could make any inspection shit so you'll have to write your own compiler while you're at it. I stand by my statement as the above bugs and the hacks Linux has seen lately (which I'll be happy to link to BTW, I could wallpaper the page with them if you wish) shows that just because you have the code don't make it a damned bit safer or more secure than anything else. -
Re:SHOULD "Apps" Cost Something?
Wow, shows how badly broken the slashdot mod system is when an obviously OT LinTroll is modded +5. Can we have a button to just mark fanbois or something please?
As for your "point" Mr LinTroll that is the reason why linux isn't getting any better, its all itch scratching because nobody will invest the money required to make it a world class desktop that can keep up with OSX and Windows. Hell has Canonical even made a dime yet? Its been what? 6 years now? And 20 years of Linux as an OS and the numbers are still this bad? I mean when you give a product away for free and can't even beat shitty JavaME that is pretty damned sad, but its understandable as i can wallpaper this page with links from major OEMs and retailers that tried Linux and ran away because it was unstable, drivers breaking pretty much every time the upgrade deathmarch rolled around, and a community that answers every problem with works for me no no seriously it does! well what can you expect? No money means no direction, no focus, all itch scratching all the time.
Now as for TFA they like pretty much everyone else that sells code online should be taking a lesson from Valve and adopting the short period sale model. you'd be surprised how many games that I was sitting on a fence over I bought during the Steam sale, i even threw more money in my account so me and the boys can do more snatching on the Steam sale. By having short period sales you take away that indecision because you can justify it as "Meh it was on sale" so even if you don't care for it later it doesn't bother you. hell i bought Kane & Lynch II, which is widely panned as worst game of the year, simply because someone had in new in box for a dollar and I figured "Well for a buck I can MST3K the thing and get a buck's worth of entertainment out of it". BTW for those that want to MST3K a game? do NOT choose K&L II as it isn't even worth MSTing, pick "You Are Empty" instead as it at least has 30 foot mutant attack chickens. K&L II would have been an alright game if the moron who designed the gun didn't make them so inaccurate that you have to stick the barrel to the guys chest to score a guaranteed kill. What idiot thought a 12 guage slug doesn't travel 6 feet in a straight line?
But you can have short period sales and fix the buyer's remorse quite easily. there is nothing the human animal loves more than getting a deal on something, even if its crap they can't use. Just look at Black Friday for an example where normal people went total apeshit for tech crap that frankly in most cases wasn't priced that well to start with. I told my dad to wait a week and sure enough i found him a nice AMD netbook for his GF for $25 cheaper than anybody had it on BF, yet on BF they sold out within minutes! Attach the word sale and watch the units go.
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Blowing away your points (point-by-point)
"Simply isn't true" - by mSparks43 (757109) on Tuesday December 27, @03:53AM (#38500830) Homepage
Sure it is that nearly NOBODY uses Linux (on PC's & Desktops especially vs. Windows) - see here:
http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8&qpcustomd=0
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"The minimum ones are:
DHCP Client
DNS Client
Plug & Play
Remote Procedure Call (RPC)So you still had to rely on Linux to protect you from the Blaster worm then?" - by mSparks43 (757109) on Tuesday December 27, @03:53AM (#38500830) Homepage
What gave you THAT idea? That looks like a quote of mine from an old post about how to get down to a minimum share of services (analogs to *NIX daemons) in Windows (you can do without DNS client too by the by using custom HOSTS for example) where I was talking about how to get down to a MINIMUM SET OF SERVICES in Windows.
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"Windows just isn't built for security" - by mSparks43 (757109) on Tuesday December 27, @03:53AM (#38500830) Homepage
From the vulnerabilities I posted on Linux? I'd have to say the same... ANDROID doesn't do it any favors on THAT account either, plus? Well... I've been doing securing of Windows via custom security-hardening it for decades now & posted that much to you, with user feedback on YEARS of no longer "going down/crashing" OR being "bug infested"... so, you're wrong man!
It's not SHIPPED AS SECURE AS POSSIBLE, but, then again, even SeLinux bearing distros included? Neither is Linux... or MacOS X (even Apple has guides on how to secure it better than by default from the oem Apple) -> http://www.apple.com/support/security/guides/
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"I'm still waiting for you to post a security flaw on android that doesn't require the "user" to install malicious software" - by mSparks43 (757109) on Tuesday December 27, @03:53AM (#38500830) Homepage
I did even better in posting ones regarding FLAWS IN THE ANDROID OS LINUX BASED KERNEL:
http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/11/02/2238205/Serious-Security-Bugs-Found-In-Android-Kernel
AND ones where they can install without user interaction:
http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/10/11/14/0115255/Android-Holes-Allow-Secret-Installation-of-Apps
APK
P.S.=> I still do NOT "get" HOW you can say I relied on Linux in the quote where you put up a quote from myself on minimum services you can get down to in Windows (where DNS client's not really even needed or recommended with larger custom HOSTS files)... that's NOT myself "relying on using Linux" as you stated & I quoted above!
... apk
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Re:It looks awesome.
Hell why didn't you bring up toasters while you were at it? See its THIS kind of total flag waving horseshit you ALWAYS get from FOSSies. I said it QUITE clearly we were talking about DESKTOPS, not what your cell phone or TV for that matter runs. Newsflash: Nobody gives a shit, hell unless its Apple nobody even knows what the fuck is on their damned cell phone! Its a screen with buttons and THAT IS ALL. Linux is used there because its FREE and with a locked down cell phone nobody gives a flying wet fart what is behind the buttons, just that the buttons work. Supercomputers? Are nothing BUT CLI, that's it. They are trying to squeeze every little drip drop of horsepower they can so no shit they are using a CLI OS. It also again is the fact its FREE and MSFT frankly has always charged assraping prices on their server products.
Now back to the subject at hand, desktops. if your driver model isn't shit then why does Dell have to run their own repos? If it is sooo good then why does a decade old Windows beat the shit out of Linux on netbooks or why has ASUS has given up on your bullshit or why did Walmart run away from linux as fast as it can?
I'll tell you why, its because its too fiddly, too unintuitive, the kernel on up is as solid and stable as the shifting sands, its a geek programmer's toy and NOTHING more ATM. Funny how all the things you mentioned are controlled by......drumroll....geek programmers! who programs cell phone OSes and writes drivers for them? Who sets up Webservers and supercomputers? Why that would be geeky ass nerd programmers! Meanwhile you can't even give the damned thing away for free to normal folks NOR to retailers NOR to OEMs. Doesn't that slap you with the cluebat? or are you too gonna give me a treaty on how "CLI is leet" like this guy?
See i'm the community's worst nightmare, i'm a retailer. i have better things to do than play 'find the fix' on weekends and i don't think staring at your beloved bash prompt is a solution for ANY problem much less EVERY problem. Frankly Windows 98 and System 9 were more polished than the current Linux distros are, and when i have people on this very forum tell me "Well just don't update it" like Linux magically is immune to ALL software exploits? Well i have to think the whole damned bunch has gone stark raving loonie.
Now you be sure to call me a "nigger faggot cocksucker" aka shill troll astroturfer because I dared to point out that after TWENTY YEARS Linux is STILL lower than JavaME. Oh BTW every single lame excuse you used? There is a whole website dedicated to those excuses such as your excuse about supercomputers? Its been there since Dec 2009 so at least try to come up with some new BS, mmmkay?
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Re:Not for long?
Thank you, but I'm just a humble retailer that got tired of being lied to. I mean if their OS was actually good then why has ASUS has given up on Linux? If it is so stable then why does Dell have to run their own repos even though we are talking a teeny tiny subset of hardware? If it is so secure then
So you see somewhere on the way to be a good OS Linux quit being an OS and became a religion. Admittance of the myriad of problems is NOT allowed, anymore that you could question the Koran or Bible in the home of a fundie. Frankly Canonical could change the default picture to Goatse and we'd see apologists come out of the woodwork to explain that is actually a biting social commentary on our times.
Here are some facts: Fact 1- All the major OEMs frankly ignore Linux not because of some secret M$ Ninja conspiracy, but because its so damned unstable thanks to Torvalds treating the kernel as his own playground. this attitude which is expressed by the man himself right here mean a company either has to do like dell and pay a team to basically run their OWN distro, no small task, or deal with a broken mess when Torvalds goes 'Lol Goatse!" and breaks shit. this is why even Canonical admitted there is a FOUR TIMES higher return rate for Ubuntu netbooks which makes linux a money LOSER for any company foolish enough to try. Walmart, Asus, these companies don't just abandon a product willy nilly you know, they did it because of the reasons i listed.
The sad part? All the basic parts are there, a modern kernel, DEs that with some serious polish could be great, plenty of drivers, but the zealots and itch scratching devs make sure Linux goes exactly nowhere. the ONLY reason it has gotten anywhere on servers is MSFT's frankly ass raping prices on CALs. If MSFT dropped the price of WinServer to $100 and the price of CALs to a buck a pop Linux would dry up and blow away, anybody that was honest would admit this. As a Linux admin i know put it "if you give a Windows and Linux admin the same job that the Linux guy has done repeatedly then the Linux admin WILL win, but if its a completely new task? the windows admin will be home making a sandwich before the Linux admin is done Googling".
But instead of admitting that CLIs are for servers and GUIs for desktops you'll get 300 page treaties on how "CLI is leet!" and how much better the world would be if "They would only embrace the POWER of CLI" like its the god damned force. So instead all you get is flag waving and fangirls. notice how many above me rushed to say "And I'm not a fanboi"? Every time you read that the translation should be "I'm such a fangirl I squee like a tweener at a Beiber concert when i see a Bash prompt!"
Ultimately though their denial can't change reality and the simple fact is their precious awesome OS lower than JavaME , a shitty third rate cellphone OS. Why? If it is sooo good why is it so low? Because it ISN'T good, its a buggy, fiddly, unfriendly, unintuitive, CLI heavy fiddly bitch that is about as far from the level of polish from OSX and Win 7 as it is from here to Europa. If they weren't so busy drooling over bash prompts maybe they'd ask the most important question, which is "What are our competitors doing right that we are doing wrong?' but that would mean admitting 70s terminals are as out as Disco, and they'd rather choke on RMS's sandals that admit that little truth.
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Re:First post from firefox
Sure, but since IE is automatically installed on 86% of operating systems (ie. Windows) It's fair to compare browser versions since you generally have to download chrome to begin with.
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Re:Little late...
the desktop still wins, and MS has 80%+ market share in that space.
Supporting your post, throwing everything against Windows including iOS, Windows still has 86% market share. It's slowly gone down over the last year but that's probably more do to people adding other operating systems more than people replacing Windows with another OS.
I like Linux and have 4 running copies at home, but I still have 5 copies of Windows between dual boots and VMs on multiple machines. At this moment I have 4 machines running at home split 2 Linux (currently posting with one plus a server) and 2 Windows (connected to TVs since Netflix and other DRM doesn't work with Linux) plus 1 Linux VM. -
Linux enjoyed years of "security-by-obscurity"
Nobody uses Linux on desktop essentially http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10
THUS , nobody bothers attack it on those grounds!
Simply because of that. Linux has been enjoying "Security-By-Obscurity"!
Penguins, here on
/. especially for YEARS NOW, have attempted to mislead others on that note that "Linux = secure", when lately where it's being used, it's being shown as ANYTHING BUT THAT!Per my 1st posts current, undeniable, & documented facts from reputable sources on that very note, here:
http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2551740&cid=38215752
and more over time also...
* FOR EXAMPLE: ANDROID however, being a Linux variant? It has become "the Windows of the smartphone world" in terms of usage/mindshare/marketshare!
(Thus, ANDROID, a Linux variant which uses a Linux kernel, shows that once Linux DOES get into the hands of "noob users" (for lack of a better expression, I am a "noob" too in various areas so not "putting them down" for being ignorant of things security on computers), it can be SHREDDED, & has been, for years on the very note I speak of - security by obscurity no longer works in Linux' favor there!)
It wouldn't on the desktop either were it higher than a 1.19% overall usage/marketshare/mindshare of the mass of both PC & Server usage... period.
APK
P.S.=> Hacker/cracker/malware makers (& the like)?
Hey - They're just like PICKPOCKETS near trains & in subways or malls + streets: They go where the MOST PEOPLE ARE (potential victims) & on PC desktops especially, that's Windows!
Linux doesn't qualify on PC desktops where the MOST vulnerable users are, not a worthy enough target because NOT ENOUGH USERS OF IT ON THE DESKTOP TO JUSTIFY THE TIME & EXPENSE ATTACKING IT ON PC DESKTOPS, not enough "ROI" for them!
Different story on smartphones though, again, look @ ANDROID being torn up security wise, month in & month out for YEARS now!
(Especially on end-user desktops, Linux just isn't used, & was "hiding behind 'security-by-obscurity'"... especially where the most easy victims ALWAYS are, on PC desktops usage, with they NOT being "security gurus" & OS' setup, by default, FAR weaker security-wise than they can be IF "security-hardened")...
... apk
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Re:Why all the military terms?
They're losing the war 2 Windows in terms of user desktop marketshare's why http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8&qpcustomd=0 shown by that link, as well as MacOS X and others? Absolutely. Linux penguins need to 'boost their morale' apparently using those military terms.
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Re:Windows Phone 7 is a good solution
If you check the following site http://www.netmarketshare.com/ you will find that M$ Windows does not even make it for the count of OS in mobile devices
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Re:Yay
And yet again multiple sources ask for citation and all you can do is fling shit like a monkey. Tell me something, how does it feel to be in absolute last place with NO hope of ever getting better? Is it one of those sad stories, where with no friends you turn to something that is unpopular like you are in the hope you'll have something in common? is it that you simply have nothing better to do on weekends besides read man pages so knowing how to "kinda sorta" copypasta makes you have a warm fuzzy feeling? does using a loser in the market somehow justify your own loser state? please tell i bet its an interesting story, probably involves bullying and child abuse. BTW enjoy some failure, just to make you feel at home.
Isn't it sad, how like a frightened child afraid to look under the bed, you cower at the truth? if your driver model isn't shit then why does Dell have to run their own repos even though we are talking a teeny tiny subset of hardware? Oh right because Linux shits itself and dies if you use the default repos! Man that is some excellent product you got there! you think I can get better QA than the third largest OEM on the planet? What, you expect me to tell paying customers "Go to the forum, kiss some loser ass, and maybe, just maybe, in a few days someone will have mercy and give you a big pile of bullshit that may or may not make your sound work again"?
Bleeding yet douchey? want some more? nice thing about having the truth on your side, you can keep throwing punches all day! How about how a decade old Windows beat the shit out of Linux on netbooks or how ASUS has given up on your bullshit or how about Walmart running away from linux as fast as it can? You got the crazy koolaid drunk enough to say they ALL are paid shills because they won't do your forum dance or CLI horseshit? Meanwhile your "hero" Torvalds the great says Plans? We don't need no steenkin plans!. Why don't you tell them that at work next week, see how quick you get a pink slip? More? How about you actually have the balls to celebrate getting a whole 1% market share while you are actually lower than JavaME and there is a whole website dedicated To your bullshit and excuses
.You see you whiny little delusional mama's boy, I'm your worst fucking nightmare...a retailer that still believes. I believe that the community doesn't have to take Torvalds shit sandwiches, I believe that things can be made better, I believe Linux can be something for more than douchebags like you that will happily take a cock slapping from linus as long as you can say you are sticking to "teh man". I believe that there can be Linux boxes on actual shelves and penguins on boxes.
So you go hide now mama's boy, you hide with your Tux blankie and keep saying your magical nigger nigger faggot, or should I say shill shill astroturfer, like it is a magical word that will make all the bad go away. But it won't change reality and the reality is your driver model is shit and more than 15 years behind everyone else and that is why retailers like me wouldn't piss on it, not some mythical money truck that sneaks up to my door in the middle of the night. So go compile something and leave the men to talk about the real world, okay little girl?
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Re:MICROSOFT VERSUS LINUX: FIGHT!
Oh please, they are making money hand over fist, getting paid for the majority of Android handsets AND their own WinPhones, and the case will take YEARS which is years of check cashing. Meanwhile you still think half a sentence proves...you can't copypasta? It doesn't surprise me, living in CLI copypasta is probably all you do anymore and you fail at even that. Perhaps you'd like some links on Linux getting pwned and failing, yes? Just to brighten you day? Maybe you can use a Daemon to download the pages and read them in an email client, just like your beloved RMS does. How sad though that you HONESTLY believe your OS, which BTW you STILL can't fucking update without the damned thing breaking, has a shot. remember what your numbers are?
Get ready, here they come! Kinda makes that koolaid just a little bitter now, don't it? I believe in using the best tool for the job, but to say Linux is secure or better than any other complex OS is frankly bullshit. Hell I was talking to a 15 year Linux admin on one of the other sites that had gotten so sick of Linux desktop fuckups they were going to BSD and if THAT didn't "just work" they were gonna wash their hands of FLOSS on the desktop and just go Mac.
BTW if you'd like a little more food for thought, what OS was 3 of the 4 CAs running that were compromised? take a look and see. Maybe they just had bad configs? Surely someone with knowledge would be safe right? Guess again and its not a fluke by any means.
And of course on the retail side you have a decade old Windows beating the shit out of Linux on netbooks proving that your latest and greatest couldn't even compete with a decade old OS,ASUS has given up on your bullshit, remember them? The ones that actually STARTED the whole netbook thing with Linux? And you can't even keep them! Or how about Walmart running away from linux as fast as it can? You got the crazy koolaid drunk enough to say they ALL are paid shills because they won't do your forum dance or CLI horseshit? Meanwhile your "hero" Torvalds the great says Linux isn't planned it grows like a virus!, yeah that would be an STD and explain why you are still a decade behind on the driver front. Oh and when you respond with your usual bullshit and lame excuses could you please go here so we can see which lameness you are gonna use? The current most popular are "use esoteric workarounds" which is ALWAYS popular in Linux land, and "It works for me!" because you neglect to mention the weekend you waste every 6 months to make that statement true.
Oh and in case anyone is curious about the half of the sentence that makes him wet himself in fear the complete sentence is as far as the user is concerned there is NO command line in windows which of course is 100% true, because their OS simply doesn't need it. Here is another sentence for him to fear BTW Linux IS Windows 98, no more, no less because what was
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Re:Steam can't run in a sandbox so apple can lock
Lion's 16% installed base is NOT bad after only 4 months.
And that's assuming it isn't actually 26%.
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Explain these recent Linux security breaches
KERNEL.ORG COMPROMISED:
http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/08/31/2321232/Kernelorg-Compromised
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Linux.com pwned in fresh round of cyber break-ins:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/12/more_linux_sites_down/
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Mysql.com Hacked, Made To Serve Malware:
http://it.slashdot.org/story/11/09/26/2218238/mysqlcom-hacked-made-to-serve-malware
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Linux's showing in CA's breached recently too? Ok:
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=StartCom.com
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=GlobalSign.com
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=Comodo.com
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=DigiCert.com
Per these articles verifying that much (since they're shown to run Linux above):
http://itproafrica.com/technology/security/cas-hacked/
and
http://it.slashdot.org/story/11/10/28/1954201/four-cas-have-been-compromised-since-june
APK
P.S.=> Yup - All those YEARS to DECADES of "Linux 'FUD'" spread around here of "Linux = Secure, Windows != Secure" is turning up complete BULLSHIT, & ANDROID (A linux because it uses a Linux kernel) especially shows everyone what a crock of complete crap that campaign all was & that once Linux DID get a decent share of market on a platform, it's security 'swiss cheese', period...
Yea... 'security-by-obscurity', which is NOT REAL SECURITY, was what you were trading on to mislead others (to no avail, because your marketshare on the desktop shows your failure on that account also, even WHEN LINUX IS A FREEBIE, it can't win, due to inferior design in comparison to Windows in the eyes of others out there -> http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8&qpcustomd=0 )...
... apk
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We don't fix what's not broken stupid
When I have something that works for me (Windows) why on earth would I change to something else (that doesn't do the tasks I want done better) and try to "fix it", when it's not broken?
(With logic like yours, don't try to convince us that YOU know what's best for any job, when you've been told that an alternative is not needed whatsoever (in Linux)).
It's threads like this one that tells me the Linux camp is so desperate around here that they're just fishing for ways to TRY to convince others to use the "2nd class citizen" of Operating Systems (actually 3rd class by desktop marketshare http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8&qpcustomd=0
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Reduced 2 more adhominem attacks?
FIRST - Linux is NEVER WIDELY USED period, especially on desktops by end users -> http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8&qpcustomd=0
PERIOD/FACT!
Now, as to your FURTHER attempted adhominem attacks?
You?
LMAO, I strongly you've never done a damned thing worth noting in the computer sciences... have you? I don't know of any decent works by anyone called "tragedy" after all... lol!
(Poor tactics on YOUR part - simply because I can turn them against you & make YOU look very, Very, VERY POOR indeed, as to what you truly are - in other words, a zero/nothing/"ne'er-do-well" on YOUR part!).
As to SOME of the decent things I have done in this field?
Well - I wager I've done more of them, & before you did (while you were still in diapers most likely also) - SHOW US YOU'VE DONE MORE, EARLIER, & BETTER THAN I HAVE "BIG TALKER" - OK? HERE'S A SAMPLING FOR YOU TO START WITH"My Name is Ozymandias: King of Kings - Look upon my works, ye mighty, & DESPAIR..."
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Windows NT Magazine (now Windows IT Pro) April 1997 "BACK OFFICE PERFORMANCE" issue, page 61
(&, for work done for EEC Systems/SuperSpeed.com on PAID CONTRACT (writing portions of their SuperCache program increasing its performance by up to 40% via my work) albeit, for their SuperDisk & HOW TO APPLY IT, took them to a finalist position @ MS Tech Ed, two years in a row 2000-2002, in its HARDEST CATEGORY: SQLServer Performance Enhancement).
WINDOWS MAGAZINE, 1997, "Top Freeware & Shareware of the Year" issue page 210, #1/first entry in fact (my work is there)
PC-WELT FEB 1998 - page 84, again, my work is featured there
WINDOWS MAGAZINE, WINTER 1998 - page 92, insert section, MUST HAVE WARES, my work is again, there
PC-WELT FEB 1999 - page 83, again, my work is featured there
CHIP Magazine 7/99 - page 100, my work is there
GERMAN PC BOOK, Data Becker publisher "PC Aufrusten und Repairen" 2000, where my work is contained in it
HOT SHAREWARE Numero 46 issue, pg. 54 (PC ware mag from Spain), 2001 my work is there, first one featured, yet again!
Also, a British PC Mag in 2002 for many utilities I wrote, saw it @ BORDERS BOOKS but didn't buy it... by that point, I had moved onto other areas in this field besides coding only...
Being paid for an article that made me money over @ PCPitstop in 2008 for writing up a guide that has people showing NO VIRUSES/SPYWARES & other screwups, via following its point, such as THRONKA sees here -> http://www.xtremepccentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=ee926d913b81bf6d63c3c7372fd2a24c&t=28430&page=3
It's also been myself helping out the folks at the UltraDefrag64 project (a 64-bit defragger for Windows), in showing them code for how to do Process Priority Control @ the GUI usermode/ring 3/rpl 3 level in their program (good one too), & being credited for it by their lead dev & his team... see here -> http://ultradefrag.sourceforge.net/handbook/Credits.html or here http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2993462&group_id=199532&atid=969873
AND lastly: http://g-off.net/software/a-python-repeatable-threadingtimer-class where I got other programmer's work WORKING RIGHT (in PyThon no less, which I just started learning only 2 week ago no less) by showing them how to use a "Dummy Proxy Function" as I call it, to make a R
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Re:writing has been on wall
What's weird is that that breakdown separates iPhone and iPod touch into separate columns, even though they run the same browser. (Also for whatever reason, the bar graph and line graph views of the same data give values that differ by several percent.)
I mean you want a link for actual stats... here. The discrepancy with StatCounter is that they don't call an iPad "mobile," which wouldn't seem to matter except that it literally gives one browser a 20% advantage. They probably should at least account for that, iPads are 25 million ad-viewing, website-browsing machines.
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Linux isn't as good as Windows
In this/these sense(s) - & I ran it for all of summer 2010 into 2011, & before that (Slackware 1.02 circa 1994, RedHat 6.x, etc. on & off over time - I always come back to Windows, & some of the reasons for that are below):
"As for Linux not being as good as Windows, in what sense?" - by tragedy (27079) on Tuesday November 08, @03:10PM (#37989440)
1st - Linux also doesn't have as high quality drivers or as many because board makers KNOW what is "running the show/market " out there, Windows - so, they cater to it immensely!
2nd - Nor does Linux have as many games, by FAR, either (this is mostly the home market in fact!)
3rd - Linux only has 1.19% of marketshare amongst users on the desktop, see here -> http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8&qpcustomd=0
4th - Despite all those "Open 'SORES'" eyes (most of whom couldn't code to SAVE THEIR LIVES mind you) allegedly poring over Linux code, how come it has that many more unpatched bugs than Windows 7 has, hmmm?? Not just remote exploits but bugs period (localsystem & localnetwork exploitable) -> http://secunia.com/advisories/product/2719/?task=advisories
Closed source is HARDER for hacker/crackers to attack as well, because you're stuck either disassembling it (especially tough with kernel level debuggers) OR fuzzing it, either is tougher than searching out problems in Linux, which you just load into a compiler & step trace its "Open 'SORES'" code with to find screwups in security... hence it still has more security bugs, AND, they are unpatched (despite all the "Open 'SORES'" eyes poring over it, lol!)
* There you go...
APK
P.S.=> There IS A REASON LINUX IS DEAD-LAST IN THE EYES OF USERS OVERALL (& the only REAL REASON it gets used @ all is because it's a 'freebie', low cost = appealing to businesses, that is, until Linux gets breached (& there's plenty of CURRENT DATA on that from my posts here in the CA breaches, KERNEL.ORG, MySQL.org & others being penetrated & yes, they run Linux))... apk
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Re:And now lets word it to screw the little guy.
Are you still butthurt that your OS can't function without CLI and is more like Win98 than a modern OS? Poor baby, I can understand then why you would be afraid to use the entire quote then since it make your magical woobie OS look even more like shit on a shingle.
As for what the other guy was trying to point out, which apparently like your inability to even copypasta is just beyond your tiny mind, is that Bill Gates is part of an exclusive club, the
.01% percent. They are so high above even the 1%ers that they could buy their own third world and even second world countries and have themselves set as "King god of the mountain" if that is what tickled their fancy. And while the Koch bros use theirs to try to buttfuck as many people in the USA as they possibly can bill uses his to try to help people and even to advocate raising his own taxes. If you weren't completely clueless then you'd know the man even went so far as to go against the current CEO of MSFT in trying to get Washington state to raise taxes on the rich.But hey, what can anyone expect from a moran that can't even copypasta a single sentence because the truth of that sentence makes him shit himself with fear. So thanks for this opportunity to show yet again what a fail both you AND the product you shill for is.. the correct sentence is as far as the user is concerned THERE IS NO COMMAND LINE IN WINDOWS and that statement is as true as the sky is blue. ask the next 20 people you meet on the street how to call up CLI in Windows and see what you get, but you know this don't you? This is why that little sentence makes you afraid. It is also why you bring up server even in talks about desktops, hoping to move the goalposts, but server ain't doing so well either it turns out. Here enjoy some fail pudding..
Not only does Linux have 4x++ the amount of unpatched security vulnerabilities its competitor Windows Server 2008 does, but it bears 3 remotely exploitable unpatched security vulnerabilities strike one, strike two strike three and you're out of there! Let me end with a little food for thought, did you know that THREE out of the FOUR recently breached CAs are running Linux? Be happy to show you the Netcraft report if you like, but i think I'd rather show some other recent uber fails.
In light of this evidence I can see why that sentence scares you so much you would corrupt it to make your sig, like a talisman to ward off the stench of fail and death that surrounds you. But numbers can't be warded off and after twenty years of slaving, after all that money wasted by Shuttleworth you are STILL lower than JavaME and there is a whole website dedicated To your bullshit and excuses that you use to cover your wasted effort. I'd laugh but its kinda sad more than anything else. And you wonder why retailers like me won't touch your product?
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Re:I did & it KICKED UR ASS (U FAIL)
If Linux is "so great" how come its marketshare's so insignificant http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8&qpcustomd=0 with users? It's security lately also looks very poor also per this post's data http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2506468&cid=37972974 noting many breaches of Linux systems, including its own kernel repository, the past few months. I have been following this post and your exchanges, and both systems have problems but your denials don't seem to jive with secunia's data tragedy, and there's no denying almost no one uses Linux, and that Linux has been breached rampantly lately (especially Android models of it).
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Linux extinction data (overall marketshare)
http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8&qpcustomd=0
Says it all. 20 yrs. of existence and dead last in terms of overall marketshare on desktops.
Linux has its niche on servers because there's no cost to use it and that's the only reason it hangs on at all. Cheap.
(That "cheap" shows through in 3 multi-part unpatched security vulnerabilities (that actually come out to many more than 3 when you look at them) that are remotely exploitable!
* You were also unable to show work-arounds that an end user could do either as you were asked to do.
So much for Penguins knowing their own OS "weapon of choice" & I do mean WEAPON in the case of Linux, because hacker/crackers certainly ARE taking advantage of it... see these recent exploits:---
KERNEL.ORG COMPROMISED:
http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/08/31/2321232/Kernelorg-Compromised
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Linux.com pwned in fresh round of cyber break-ins:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/12/more_linux_sites_down/
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Mysql.com (runs Linux) Hacked, Made To Serve Malware:
http://it.slashdot.org/story/11/09/26/2218238/mysqlcom-hacked-made-to-serve-malware
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Then, there's ANDROID also, and it's showing us all that all the FUD on
/. for years now that Linux is secure is just that, fud. It's being torn up in the hundreds with exploits and yes, ANDROID uses Linux kernel.There's also the 4 CA's breached that run Linux also:
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=StartCom.com
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=GlobalSign.com
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=Comodo.com
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=DigiCert.com(Mind you: All that I posted? Has occurred in the past few months now, & VERY recent!)
APK
P.S.=> As to "extinction" well... This entire article's replies seem to insinuate that the Penguins "fear" this secure boot feature WILL make Linux extinct (I doubt that, but read some of the replies besides our own) & Linux's overall marketshare on desktops doesn't help...
... apk
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Re:There's NO DENYING the current data I put up
Time to dismantle you, point-by-point, as is my "usual style":
"and the overwhelming majority of the "flaws" you point out are with things that Google or other parties have added on to the Linux kernel" - by antifoidulus (807088) on Tuesday November 01, @07:47PM (#37914304) Homepage
WTF? I pointed out FLAWS IN THE LINUX KERNEL ITSELF - THE CURRENT MAINSTREAM ONE NO LESS!
(With 3 remotely vulnerable unpatched ones as well, the WORST TYPE, & 4x++ the # of unpatched security vulnerabilities in Windows Server 2008 too, mind you)
See again, here:
http://secunia.com/advisories/product/2719/?task=advisories
vs. this:
http://secunia.com/advisories/product/18255/?task=advisories
Now, you may not LIKE that, but it's documented fact!
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"Android uses the Linux kernel yes, but that doesn't make it some sort of "Linux variant", at least not in the same way that you seem to think it is." - by antifoidulus (807088) on Tuesday November 01, @07:47PM (#37914304) Homepage
LOL, that's the DUMBEST THING you've said here so you know... it uses the LINUX KERNEL - it is THUS, a Linux!
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"Android and the OS that runs on web servers are very different beasts." - by antifoidulus (807088) on Tuesday November 01, @07:47PM (#37914304) Homepage
That use the same core/kernel... lol, both Linux kernel, mind you, and apparently LATELY, per my 1st post to you here:
http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2504516&cid=37914046
NEITHER ARE DOING VERY WELL ON THE SECURITY FRONT LATELY, since that information is VERY RECENT TOO, no less!
"Read 'em, & weep"...
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"All I had to do was read the first line of your post to realize that you have 0 clue about anything, so there was no reason to even bother with the rest, you are just some MSCE who is worried because your platform is becoming irrelevant." - by antifoidulus (807088) on Tuesday November 01, @07:47PM (#37914304) Homepage
Linux already IS "irrelevant" in the eyes of the majority of users out there. See here on that note (marketshare):
http://www.netmarketshare.com/
So much for Linux eh? Damn near last place... it IS irrelevant in the eyes of the majority of the users on the planet.
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"Unlike Windows, anyone is free to modify Linux" - by antifoidulus (807088) on Tuesday November 01, @07:47PM (#37914304) Homepage
Anyone is free to step trace said code to find flaws, which is far, Far, FAR EASIER than using debuggers/disassemblers on closed source code (or using fuzzers) to find flaws that way, mind you...
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"But yeah, I'm sure with that MSCE cert you will go far in a world that is ditching Windows as fast as it can because it's such flaming pile of insecure shit." - by antifoidulus (807088) on Tuesday November 01, @07:47PM (#37914304) Homepage
I used to have MCSE (Windows NT 3.51 days) but have since moved onto coding solely (rather mostly), since 1996 onwards to presently.
APK
P.S.=> You can use all the "frustrated profanity" & name calling adhominem attack b.s. you like, but it only shows that TRUTH HURTS & you? You can't HANDLE THE TRUTH!
... apk
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Re:Waiting for MS to underbid
Actually I just like pointing out that retards like you have taken over the Linux community and are frankly doing a better job of making sure Linux goes nowhere than MSFT could ever DREAM of doing, I mean I can give plenty of proof of the uberfails, such as Dell having to run their own repos even though we are talking a teeny tiny subset of hardware? Oh right because Linux shits itself and dies if you use the default repos! How about how a decade old Windows beat the shit out of Linux on netbooks or how ASUS has given up on your bullshit or how about Walmart running away from linux as fast as it can? yet do you have enough sense to LEARN from your mistakes? To ask "What are we doing wrong that the competition is doing right"? Of course not, hell you can't even copypasta correctly! Instead you'll scream "They are noobs, we're leet!" while whacking off to the latest bash handbook.
Yet here you are, being given gift after gift by the competition and what do you do? scream "I'm leet!" and shoot yourselves in the face while whacking off to a bash script, I mean you aren't even smart enough to copypasta a single sentence correctly yet to expect the masses to sit around and copypasta pages of CLI mess? And you wonder why you are dead fucking last? Hell you are actually lower than JavaME and there is a whole website dedicated To your bullshit and excuses. Have you seen that site? It is a WHOLE SITE dedicated to NOTHING but laughing at you and your kind and you know what? Its pretty damned funny!
So please go ahead, i consider it a wonderful chance to educate people on what pathetic failure losers like you have caused the community as a whole. Once upon a time they were making progress, but now there is nothing left of the community but pathetic fat losers like yourself that somehow thinks being able to copypasta into a term somehow makes you "better" than everyone else and that it is your duty to run off the "noobs" but you know what? You are just shooting yourselves in the face,making sure Linux NEVER gains any share, the hardware OEMs won't support you, and that mainstream users treat your OS like toxic waste, and i find that quite hilarious.
MILLIONS of manhours dedicated to linux, TWENTY YEARS of hard work, what do you have to show? you are less than the margin for error, and in large part it is due to douchebags like you that make Linux look like the home of fat losers and trolls. Bravo sir, MSFT couldn't ask for a better useful idiot than yourself. You really should ask them to pay you, after all the village idiot used to get coins thrown at him, didn't he?
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Users don't want a "toy OS" like Linux
See here as to how often it gets used on the desktop -> http://www.netmarketshare.com/
Specifically this:
Desktop Operating System Share
Windows 92.4%
Mac 6.5%
Linux 1.1%
SunOS 0.0%"Argue with the numbers Penguins" & the resulting torrent of "Pro-*NIX shills" will come rumbling out of the network in reply to the facts shown above, will be utterly hilarious!
(Complete with their numerous AC illogical off topic adhominem attack posts and their numerous alternate registered "luser" accounts they keep here as well, lol).
Question: Do Penguins have feathers? Well, let's wait & see as they come roaring in with them all "ruffled" in reply, and yet they're helpless vs. the facts above, lol!
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Re:No longer a monopoly
Notice I got modded down and will CONTINUE to get modded down for at least two days in unrelated subjects? This is what I find funny about the teabagger wing of the FOSSies, they think by burying anything that isn't "Gee isn't Linux perfect for the world? Why it sure is Skip, and RMS's farts smells like roses and cure AGW!" they can magically "make it not true! make it all go away, I can't hear you la la la!".
But the funny thing about the truth, one can always produce facts to back it up. Like how Dell have to run their own repos because the current driver model is so fucked up that if they dare to run the default repos the machines will shit all over themselves. not opinion, cold hard fact. How about how a decade old Windows beat the shit out of Linux on netbooks which should tell you something, when people would rather have a decade old fisher price GUI than the latest and greatest because its too fiddly and a PITA, or how about how the ones that invented the netbook ASUS has given up on the bullshit? I would bet my last dollar their support costs were THROUGH THE ROOF because of "update foo broke my stuff!" along with having to try to walk someone through a three page CLI "fix" over the phone. I bet the metrics on the calls were just nuts, or how about the kings of "low price at all costs" Walmart running away from Linux as fast as it can which again I bet my last dollar the support costs killed it. don't see that with the iShiny, even though that is about as unfamiliar a UI as you could get for a lifelong Windows user you do you? Maybe because they make it intuitive and easy instead of flipping the user the bird and typing "RTFM Windblowz Luserz LOL!"? How about how the community has the nerve to actually CELEBRATE 1% market share like that is something to be proud of when IRL after TWENTY YEARS of work Linux is actually lower than JavaME and the craziness and logic hoop jumping by the lunatic fringe has gotten so bad there is actually a website that turns the bullshit and excuses into memes which you then see once you know what to look for over and over AND OVER again.
You see, that is the thing about the truth, they can call me "nigger cocksucker faggot" all day long, aka shill troll astroturfer but you know what? It doesn't make black into white, up into down, nor can it change a single number or add a single user to the crazy parade. We retailers have been fucking BEGGING you to straighten your shit and give us some real choice, we have practically DRAWN YOU A MAP and handed you a GPS to keep you from getting off track, and now the competition is gonna give you a fricking 60 yard head start in the hundred meters by shooting itself in the foot TWICE with the fucked Windows 8 GUI and all those late model P4s and early dual cores being EOLed that could play farmville and run FB just fine.
NEVER BEFORE IN HISTORY has so much been in your favor, your competition is run by an idiot, now more than ever before the world is doing more and more of their work and play exclusively online, and the visionary behind the second front has died and left a vacuum that they may not be able to fill. Oh and the economy sucks so folks want to save money and are willing to try things that will help them do so. You have the market wide open, the field is yours, so what do you do? say "Don't look at me!" and promptly start waving a gun around the track while masturbating to a Bash script.
But you've run out of exc
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Re:Umm....
Awww...is the poor wittle Lunix Luser getting butt hurt he is STILL in last place and getting beat down by JavaME which is a shitastic cell phone OS? NEWSFLASH STUPID: You don't give the people what they want? THEY WILL IGNORE YOU. And hey guess what? That is EXACTLY what they have done! Now lets let everyone enjoy your daily dose of fail, shall we fucknuts?
Isn't it sad, how like a frightened child afraid to look under the bed, you cower at the truth? if your driver model isn't shit then why does Dell have to run their own repos even though we are talking a teeny tiny subset of hardware? Oh right because Linux shits itself and dies if you use the default repos! Man that is some excellent product you got there! you think I can get better QA than the third largest OEM on the planet? What, you expect me to tell paying customers "Go to the forum, kiss some loser ass, and maybe, just maybe, in a few days someone will have mercy and give you a big pile of bullshit that may or may not make your sound work again"?
Bleeding yet douchey? want some more? nice thing about having the truth on your side, you can keep throwing punches all day! How about how a decade old Windows beat the shit out of Linux on netbooks or how ASUS has given up on your bullshit or how about Walmart running away from linux as fast as it can? You got the crazy koolaid drunk enough to say they ALL are paid shills because they won't do your forum dance or CLI horseshit? Meanwhile your "hero" Torvalds the great says Plans? We don't need no steenkin plans!. Why don't you tell them that at work next week, see how quick you get a pink slip? More? How about you actually have the balls to celebrate getting a whole 1% market share while you are actually lower than JavaME and there is a whole website dedicated To your bullshit and excuses
.You see you whiny little delusional mama's boy, I'm your worst fucking nightmare...a retailer that still believes. I believe that the community doesn't have to take Torvalds shit sandwiches, I believe that things can be made better, I believe Linux can be something for more than douchebags like you that will happily take a cock slapping from linus as long as you can say you are sticking to "teh man". I believe that there can be Linux boxes on actual shelves and penguins on boxes.
So you go hide now mama's boy, you hide with your Tux blankie and keep saying your magical nigger nigger faggot, or should I say shill shill astroturfer, like it is a magical word that will make all the bad go away. But it won't change reality and the reality is your driver model is shit and more than 15 years behind everyone else and that is why retailers like me wouldn't piss on it, not some mythical money truck that sneaks up to my door in the middle of the night. So go compile something and leave the men to talk about the real world, okay little girl?
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Re:Umm....
Awww...is the poor wittle Lunix Luser getting butt hurt he is STILL in last place and getting beat down by JavaME which is a shitastic cell phone OS? NEWSFLASH STUPID: You don't give the people what they want? THEY WILL IGNORE YOU. And hey guess what? That is EXACTLY what they have done! Now lets let everyone enjoy your daily dose of fail, shall we fucknuts?
Isn't it sad, how like a frightened child afraid to look under the bed, you cower at the truth? if your driver model isn't shit then why does Dell have to run their own repos even though we are talking a teeny tiny subset of hardware? Oh right because Linux shits itself and dies if you use the default repos! Man that is some excellent product you got there! you think I can get better QA than the third largest OEM on the planet? What, you expect me to tell paying customers "Go to the forum, kiss some loser ass, and maybe, just maybe, in a few days someone will have mercy and give you a big pile of bullshit that may or may not make your sound work again"?
Bleeding yet douchey? want some more? nice thing about having the truth on your side, you can keep throwing punches all day! How about how a decade old Windows beat the shit out of Linux on netbooks or how ASUS has given up on your bullshit or how about Walmart running away from linux as fast as it can? You got the crazy koolaid drunk enough to say they ALL are paid shills because they won't do your forum dance or CLI horseshit? Meanwhile your "hero" Torvalds the great says Plans? We don't need no steenkin plans!. Why don't you tell them that at work next week, see how quick you get a pink slip? More? How about you actually have the balls to celebrate getting a whole 1% market share while you are actually lower than JavaME and there is a whole website dedicated To your bullshit and excuses
.You see you whiny little delusional mama's boy, I'm your worst fucking nightmare...a retailer that still believes. I believe that the community doesn't have to take Torvalds shit sandwiches, I believe that things can be made better, I believe Linux can be something for more than douchebags like you that will happily take a cock slapping from linus as long as you can say you are sticking to "teh man". I believe that there can be Linux boxes on actual shelves and penguins on boxes.
So you go hide now mama's boy, you hide with your Tux blankie and keep saying your magical nigger nigger faggot, or should I say shill shill astroturfer, like it is a magical word that will make all the bad go away. But it won't change reality and the reality is your driver model is shit and more than 15 years behind everyone else and that is why retailers like me wouldn't piss on it, not some mythical money truck that sneaks up to my door in the middle of the night. So go compile something and leave the men to talk about the real world, okay little girl?
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Re:If this is an issue...
STILL to afraid to post the correct quote huh? Afraid? For those that would like to know HERE is the whole quote and I DARE anyone to prove me wrong: as far as the user is concerned there is NO CLI in Windows and ANYONE with a brain (except fucknuts here, who was trying to insist that users launch programs by using start>>>run) would know THAT IS A FACT. Try it yourself, walk up to the next dozen people you see on the street and ask them "How do you get command line in Windows?" and they'll say "What is command line?" Because UNLIKE LINUX you do NOT NEED CLI IN WINDOWS. Don't blame me YOU HAVE A BROKEN OS fucknuts, I didn't design the POS.
As for TFA, somebody forget to cut the congressman a check? This is different than Yahoo, Google, Opera, MSFT....how exactly? Hell you have FB tracking you, Google getting every search, going though your Gmails, hell they can probably tell you your favorite color and what you like to have for breakfast. So NOW they want to complain?
Either they come up with MASSIVE new legislation to protect against the huge amount of privacy violations being done by every. single. Internet. company. or they are just blowing smoke. I wouldn't be surprised if they are pissed the Amazon data isn't going through the little back room at AT&T they were so quick to give retroactive immunity to AT&T for.
Oh and a final gift for fucknuts, here is some of the companies that have abandoned Linux, maybe you have heard of a few of them? Like ASUS who has given up on your bullshit or Walmart running away from linux as fast as it can? Could it be because they don't want to run their own repos Dell has to to keep Linux from shitting itself?. You've lost, give it up. Even for free you can't give that POS away, you are even lower than JavaME. Nobody wants it, nobody runs it, hell you celebrate when you get a lousy 1% market share. Face it you couldn't give it away in a prison wrapped in pardons. Stick a fork baby, its done.
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Re:About time
Nice answer fucknuts, no proof, not even any experience with the product, just "nu uh!". And this is from an idiot that doesn't even know how to quote correctly so what should anyone expect?
Now let us see what he is AFRAID TO SHOW YOU because it is the TRUTH. The CORRECT quote is "As far as the user is concerned there is NO CLI in windows" and I DARE anyone to prove me wrong. walk up to 100 people in the street and ask them "How do you call up command line in Windows" and you know what you are gonna get? "Whats a command line" Because windows DON'T NEED A SHITTY TERMINAL just to do the tasks 99.995% of the population does. Linux? Puts the terminal on the desktop, why? Because YOU HAVE NO CHOICE. Its a SERVER OS that has been BADLY hacked to pretend to be a desktop OS, but in the end? Its ALL CLI. Here fucknuts, enjoy your fail...
Isn't it sad, how like a frightened child afraid to look under the bed, you cower at the truth? if your driver model isn't shit then why does Dell have to run their own repos even though we are talking a teeny tiny subset of hardware? Oh right because Linux shits itself and dies if you use the default repos! Man that is some excellent product you got there! you think I can get better QA than the third largest OEM on the planet? What, you expect me to tell paying customers "Go to the forum, kiss some loser ass, and maybe, just maybe, in a few days someone will have mercy and give you a big pile of bullshit that may or may not make your sound work again"?
Bleeding yet douchey? want some more? nice thing about having the truth on your side, you can keep throwing punches all day! How about how a decade old Windows beat the shit out of Linux on netbooks or how ASUS has given up on your bullshit or how about Walmart running away from linux as fast as it can? You got the crazy koolaid drunk enough to say they ALL are paid shills because they won't do your forum dance or CLI horseshit? Meanwhile your "hero" Torvalds the great says Plans? We don't need no steenkin plans!. Why don't you tell them that at work next week, see how quick you get a pink slip? More? How about you actually have the balls to celebrate getting a whole 1% market share while you are actually lower than JavaME and there is a whole website dedicated To your bullshit and excuses
.You see you whiny little delusional mama's boy, I'm your worst fucking nightmare...a retailer that still believes. I believe that the community doesn't have to take Torvalds shit sandwiches, I believe that things can be made better, I believe Linux can be something for more than douchebags like you that will happily take a cock slapping from linus as long as you can say you are sticking to "teh man". I believe that there can be Linux boxes on actual shelves and penguins on boxes. But here enjoy some of the wisdom of the great RMS and maybe you'll feel better
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You anti-MS goofs make us laugh
Which Operating System has the MOST USERS-Market Share out there? Hmmm?? Let me refresh your dull & puny brain: http://www.netmarketshare.com/ So, I suppose the rest of the planet is not as "smart" as you "open sores" wannabes are? Don't make me laugh, and do not overestimate yourselves.
Now, after that, and the rest of you anti-microsoft losers on this page are finished with your stupid unjustified and untruthful rants, have you ever wondered why it is slashdot is losing readers???
I'll tell you why - People are sick of the fud, lies, and bullshit that was spread around here for years by the likes of yourself.
That is why - Nobody respects or likes misinformation being put on unsuspecting readers here is why.
For example, the entire "linux is more secure" bullshit fell apart when ANDROID gained widespread usage on phones and is being torn to shreds on the security front (and yes, it is a Linux, but one that's finally really widely used and thus widely attacked), along with kernel.org being hacked into, numerous MySQL & PHP hacks + vulnerabilities, on top of Apache showing the same. The "lamp freebie game" is "game over", and you all know it.
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Re:Stallman and FOSS
Didn't you watch the latest keynote? Apple has 5% of the overall cellphone market. What are you talking about????
All your rant is prefectly legitimate whenever a company is in a position of monopoly. UIS law has provisions for this. Your rant is just not applicable to Apple.
Double standard my ass. Check your facts. People like iOS. Others like Android. Some like WP7. So what? Some are stupider than others? Give people some credit.
Skewing facts much?
5% worldwide cell phone market share is not the same thing as mobile OS market share in the US market which is what I was referring to. Here are the facts if you even care to see them. And if you want to see what it was around a year ago you can look here. Failure to do one's own research while faithfully swallowing keynote speeches is one sure way to be in the dark. -
Re:file type
The parent post is from Alex Belits, a jobless Linux astroturfer. Last time he submitted his resume to anyone was when he tried to be Linus Torvalds bootlicker and was turned down for drool.
See how nicely that fits there loony tunes? Oh and I'm not working for anyone but myself, I am your worst nightmare...I'm a retailer. you see we have tried your product and found your bullshit and lies to be just that so maybe you'd like me to enlighten some of the masses, hmm?,
Isn't it sad, how like a frightened child afraid to look under the bed, you cower at the truth? if your driver model isn't shit then why does Dell have to run their own repos even though we are talking a teeny tiny subset of hardware? Oh right because Linux shits itself and dies if you use the default repos! Man that is some excellent product you got there! Bleeding yet douchey? want some more? nice thing about having the truth on your side, you can keep throwing punches all day! How about how a decade old Windows beat the shit out of Linux on netbooks or how ASUS has given up on your bullshit or how about Walmart running away from linux as fast as it can? You got the crazy koolaid drunk enough to say they ALL are paid shills because they won't do your forum dance or CLI horseshit? Meanwhile your "hero" Torvalds the great says Plans? We don't need no steenkin plans!. Why don't you tell them that at work next week, see how quick you get a pink slip? More? How about you actually have the balls to celebrate getting a whole 1% market share while you are actually lower than JavaME and there is a whole website dedicated To your bullshit and excuses.
Meanwhile i'll go back to enjoying my nice new Asus EEE Windows 7 HP netbook, which I got myself as a little prezzie with some of the profits I made from NOT carrying an inferior product. If you don't like being last? Try putting out a product worth actually stocking. You know what you remind me of? A religious nutball. When someone points out a hole in your dogma you go "La la la, it can't be true! U must be a M$ Ninja!" while we all laugh at your batshit insanity. But hey friend here is a nice video of your hero RMS showing why he is the great one so that should cheer you up.
Nice try, Ballmer.
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Re:file type
The parent post is from Alex Belits, a jobless Linux astroturfer. Last time he submitted his resume to anyone was when he tried to be Linus Torvalds bootlicker and was turned down for drool.
See how nicely that fits there loony tunes? Oh and I'm not working for anyone but myself, I am your worst nightmare...I'm a retailer. you see we have tried your product and found your bullshit and lies to be just that so maybe you'd like me to enlighten some of the masses, hmm?,
Isn't it sad, how like a frightened child afraid to look under the bed, you cower at the truth? if your driver model isn't shit then why does Dell have to run their own repos even though we are talking a teeny tiny subset of hardware? Oh right because Linux shits itself and dies if you use the default repos! Man that is some excellent product you got there! Bleeding yet douchey? want some more? nice thing about having the truth on your side, you can keep throwing punches all day! How about how a decade old Windows beat the shit out of Linux on netbooks or how ASUS has given up on your bullshit or how about Walmart running away from linux as fast as it can? You got the crazy koolaid drunk enough to say they ALL are paid shills because they won't do your forum dance or CLI horseshit? Meanwhile your "hero" Torvalds the great says Plans? We don't need no steenkin plans!. Why don't you tell them that at work next week, see how quick you get a pink slip? More? How about you actually have the balls to celebrate getting a whole 1% market share while you are actually lower than JavaME and there is a whole website dedicated To your bullshit and excuses.
Meanwhile i'll go back to enjoying my nice new Asus EEE Windows 7 HP netbook, which I got myself as a little prezzie with some of the profits I made from NOT carrying an inferior product. If you don't like being last? Try putting out a product worth actually stocking. You know what you remind me of? A religious nutball. When someone points out a hole in your dogma you go "La la la, it can't be true! U must be a M$ Ninja!" while we all laugh at your batshit insanity. But hey friend here is a nice video of your hero RMS showing why he is the great one so that should cheer you up.
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Re:Is there or will there be Mac OS X support?
OCZ should know better than to throw their weight behind the most rapidly declining platform in the market.
Yeah, just look at the numbers plummet. Over the last 2 years, from September '09 until now, Windows went from 93.85% to 92.90%, so it dropped just under 1%. So in another 2 years, it will be, what, around 91% - 92%? Yeah, why would OCZ want to pin their hopes on a prospect as miserable as that? They should probably go for that 6% - 7% that OSX commands instead.
There are plenty of arguments to be had between Windows and OSX, but market share isn't one of them.
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Re:Release the Kraken!
Opposite? Why would he find statistic disproving his point?
As for proving his point, right here:
http://www.netmarketshare.com/
Apple is at 53% of mobile browsing if you include tablets.
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Re:My description of SFD
Welcome brother! Coffee and donuts are in the back and I'll be giving a lecture on "How to never be hit by the scourge of WinRot" at 2PM, be sure to catch it. For those that won't be there the correct answer is "TuneUp Utilities" which will kill WinRot dead.
And I'm sure to get hate for pointing this out, but who gives a crap, I got more Karma than God. You wanna know why Linux is stuck a a lousy 1%, even lower than a Java based phone OS? Its actually VERY simple and easy to explain, and no, it isn't some conspiracy by Gates and the Illuminati, they are too busy using the World bank to take over the planet.
It is because YOU DON'T LISTEN, neither to consumers nor to the world at large. Haven't you gotten the memo? the word is CONSUMERS in 50 foot flaming neon, so what do you do? "Hey lets put a link to bash on the desktop! It'll make our neckbeards thick and copypasta in a terminal makes you leet!". it is like the way RMS still calls everyone "hackers" like he is at a computer club in 79, it isn't even funny anymore, its just.....kinda sad, that's what it is.
In case you haven't gotten the memo THE WORLD IS GUI NOW and NOBODY, but nobody, well except for server admins, use terms for anything anymore. Do you see a terminal link on the desktop of Windows 7? Nope you got to go to start...all programs... accessories...and there it is, buried as far down as they can because NOBODY USES IT. Oh and before anyone wastes their time pointing out Powershell look it up on MSDN, the articles are ALL "How to manage YOUR SERVER with Powershell" because it ain't for consumers folks! hell look at the closest thing Linux has ever had to a hit, Android. What is it? Why its all GUI, no CLI, clicky clicky GUI city!
You've got this great OS, with tons of software, all free, nice looking DEs, all this wonderful stuff, yet your stubborn refusal to wake up and smell the 21st century is dooming it to a niche OS so tiny Java craphones kick its ass. If there is ANY CLI then YOU HAVE FAILED. if the one and ONLY answer is "open up bash and type"? Then YOU HAVE FAILED. hell look at the biggest weakness Linux has right now, driver issues. Do you have a simple "roll back drivers" button? How about a "find drivers" button, both of which your competitor has had for years? NOPE, all you have is "open up bash and type" which as I pointed out was fail.
Do you know what the definition of insanity is? Its doing the same thing over and ov er and expecting a different result. you've had 20 damned years folks, you are STILL dead last. Doesn't that give you a clue? How about the fact that a decade old Windows beat the shit out of Linux on netbooks? LISTEN TO THE CONSUMERS and change, or stay last place. because you will NEVER get them to join in the forum dance, you will NEVER get them to "open up bash and type" and you will NEVER get them to "embrace the power of CLI" like its the damned force, okay? Is that REALLY so hard to understand? Hell even on servers Windows is winning at a 70%/30% split. Why is that? simple, as a Linux admin told me "Linux is powerful if you know EXACTLY what you need to do and the steps to do it. Windows is quicker if you are given a task where you've never had to do it before" why? Because GUIs are intuitive and reward exploration, and CLIs give you a blinking cursor and a shitload of man pages, that's why!
Its just human nature folks, humans are visually oriented creatures that like to touch and explore. GUIs enhance and appeal to these parts of our nature. CLIs are about as UNINTUITIVE an interface as you could possibly design and the only reward you'll get for exploring is frustration or breaking something, this is why they fell out of favor for EVERYONE BUT YOU. But hanging onto a terminal like Disco Stu hanging onto his bell bottoms won't make the term come back, hell bell bottoms will come back first .