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At least go for the oldest version they have available: 3.04.

Or the newest version that will run on 16-bit Windows 3.1: 4.08.

Anyone know the last version to run on a 68000 based Mac?

Anyone have a copy of Mozilla from before it was called Netscape?

At least go for the oldest version they have available: 3.04.

Or the newest version that will run on 16-bit Windows 3.1: 4.08.

Anyone know the last version to run on a 68000 based Mac?

Anyone have a copy of Mozilla from before it was called Netscape?

I briefly browsed around the browser's website, and was please to see it still holds an archive of most Netscape releases since 4.7x

http://browser.netscape.com/ns8/download/archive.j sp

The document you pointed out was written in September of 1995, however, the HTML 3 standard, according to the same website, was adopted in March of 1995

Look a little closer. That's an expired draft. HTML 3 was never finished, it was abandoned in favour of describing existing practice - that specification was called HTML 3.2. That's why it's such a mess - it's a hodge-podge of previously proprietary extensions.

That is strange, because I just ran across a website today where the guy was trying to update a table from HTML2 specifications to HTML4.

Strange because it's clearly not true. There's no such thing as an HTML 2 table, you can see for yourself by looking at the spec.

I was trying to google the specifications of these early browsers, but I cannot find anything, and archive.org for the netscape site only goes back to netscape 3.

You want Evolt's browser archive.

Did Netscape 2 and the first versions of IE actually support HTML3?

No, nothing did, because HTML 3 was never finished. However Netscape supported tables as far back as Netscape 1.1, modelled on the HTML 3 draft specification.

Far and away the leading mainstream bulletin board is hosted by Robert Parker himself [and administered by Mark Squires]:

http://dat.erobertparker.com/bboard/forumdisplay.p hp?f=10

enemyvessel.com/forum/FORUM.asp?CAT_ID=1&FORUM_I D=4&Forum_Title=We+all+have+issues

http://www.westcoastwine.net/ubb/ubbthreads.php

http://community.netscape.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?web tag=ws-winelovers

My question, what will happen to the Robert Parker's and the Wine Spectators and every other player in the global wine industry once a 100 point wine can be bought at WalMart for $2. On npr.org, there is an article covering a recent tasting where a wine, nicknamed 2 Buck Chuck, won the top prize. From the article: When it comes to wine, some consumers still equate quality with price. But at the 28th Annual International Eastern Wine Competition, a $1.99 bottle of California Wine, the 2002 Charles Shaw Shiraz, beat out 2,300 wines to win a prestigious double gold medal. Hear NPR's Steve Inkseep.

That sort of thing is utterly irrelevant to serious wine geekdom.

You'd be amazed how quickly you can teach yourself to analyze things like aromatics, fruit, texture, and the like. You'd also be amazed at the sensitivity of the human nose and the human tongue. At the level of a serious wine geek [like Parker], you're easily capable of detecting chemicals in the range of single digit parts per BILLION [e.g. 3 parts per billion, 2 parts billion, etc], and some folks out at the far end of the bell curve might be able to go another order of magnitude lower than that.

It turns out that wine chemistry is a fantastically complex subject, and given what I know of non-linear dynamics, my gut instinct is that we won't have computer programs producing high-end luxury cuvees any time in the near future.

Yep, new in version 8

Here is what I get when I view the Gap site in Safari:

"We're sorry, but we do not support the version of the browser you are using.
Our site works best with the following browsers:

PC users
Internet Explorer 5.5 and above. Download browser: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/default.mspx
Netscape 7 and above. Download browser: http://browser.netscape.com/
Mozilla (including Firefox) 1.0 and above. Download browser: http://www.mozilla.com/firefox

Mac users
Netscape 7 and above. Download browser: http://browser.netscape.com/
Mozilla (including Firefox) 1.0 and above. Download browser: http://www.mozilla.com/firefox"

It sounds like they have decided to only support a couple of browsers and they reject others based on the useragent string.

Here is what I get when I view the Gap site in Safari:

"We're sorry, but we do not support the version of the browser you are using.
Our site works best with the following browsers:

PC users
Internet Explorer 5.5 and above. Download browser: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/default.mspx
Netscape 7 and above. Download browser: http://browser.netscape.com/
Mozilla (including Firefox) 1.0 and above. Download browser: http://www.mozilla.com/firefox

Mac users
Netscape 7 and above. Download browser: http://browser.netscape.com/
Mozilla (including Firefox) 1.0 and above. Download browser: http://www.mozilla.com/firefox"

It sounds like they have decided to only support a couple of browsers and they reject others based on the useragent string.

SSLv3, of course.

http://wp.netscape.com/eng/ssl3/ssl-toc.html

Or the later draft-freier-ssl-version3-02

Those drafts, and more stuff, is linked to from the Netscape SSLv3 page.

There's also RFC 2256 for TLS 1.0.

SSLv3, of course.

http://wp.netscape.com/eng/ssl3/ssl-toc.html

Or the later draft-freier-ssl-version3-02

Those drafts, and more stuff, is linked to from the Netscape SSLv3 page.

There's also RFC 2256 for TLS 1.0.

SSLv3, of course.

http://wp.netscape.com/eng/ssl3/ssl-toc.html

Or the later draft-freier-ssl-version3-02

Those drafts, and more stuff, is linked to from the Netscape SSLv3 page.

There's also RFC 2256 for TLS 1.0.

http://wp.netscape.com/eng/ssl3/ssl-toc.html

All you have to do is use AIM 4.1 or lower and you won't have to worry. Version 4.3 was the last good version they ever made anyway. Fortunately, these versions are easy to find. Version 4.1 is bundled with Netscape Communicator 4.76; while AIM 4.3 is bundled with any version of Netscape Communicator from 4.77 through 4.8. Get them at http://browser.netscape.com/ns8/download/archive47 x.jsp

Well, they do have some existing connections to Mozilla due to Netscape and whatnot. ;_;

Do you have a reference for this assertion?

These guys probably do.

You make an interesting point.

But do you remember this company/product?

  Netscape

...which means those Flock guys must be new here.

Well, while that's true, with recent releases, Netscape-type stuffs have grown more and more different from Mozilla, to the point that you can now completely defeat the point of having non-MSIE by selecting MSIE as the rendering engine!

I don't even think the UI is even XUL anymore, and I doubt that Firefox extensions/themes will even work now. (Notice that all the themes in the Theme Park are Netscape-created?)

This might be a step in the right direction, but somehow they managed to take all the disadvantages of IE, all the proprietary crapware they could load, and Firefox without any of the useful features.

Somehow, they managed to get the worst of all possible worlds, and they managed to get HP to buy it.

Take a look. Netscape 8.0 (http://www.netscape.com/) is a front-end for Firefox and IE. There's no there anymore.

HP has been setting their default homepages to a branded version of Netscape.com for a long time. Dumping in the Netscape 8 browser is just another way of shoving the HP-Netscape portal down user's throats. It's the same reason they bundle iTunes to support the soon-to-be-replaced HP iPods.

Netscape 8 is based on Firefox, but lets users switch between both the Firefox and IE browser engines.

Keep this in mind. This is Netscape 8, possibly the ugliest browser out there. It uses Firefox's rendering engine (Gecko), but also has the ability to use IE's rendering engine if needed.

FTA:
Netscape 8 is based on Firefox, but lets users switch between both the Firefox and IE browser engines.

So now IE is still kind of the default browser -- when the site doesn't render properly, they will just switch the rendering engine to IE and go on like normal. It resolves nothing, as websites are not encouraged to fix their bugs.

Links:

Netscape Browser 8
Screenshot of Netscape Browser 8 -- The goggles! They do nothing!
Details on Netscape 8 UI Flaws

Even if Netscape is chosen at install time, IE is still installed. And if Netscape is chosen, I have the feeling that it probably defaults to IE (instead of Netscape's own) rendering engine. http://browser.netscape.com/ns8/help/nav_help.jsp# nav_swapping

I didn't know they were still scaping the nets. At first glance this looked completely inane, but I guess "...Netscape 8 is based on Firefox, but lets users switch between both the Firefox and IE browser engines." That's almost snappy. Makes a fella wonder exactly how this switching mechanism works. I'm on the verge of interested, but a quick visit to http://www.netscape.com/ makes me think Netscape might be more interested in "...Jenna Bush's Latest Surprising Escapades" than being my browser choice. Doesn't look like they're into Linux much, either. So much for a blast from the web browsing past.

I have always felt that Linux is a nice operating system (for hobbyists and geeks), but there are some areas where it is seriously lacking, especially when compared to its main competitor, Microsoft Windows.

* File sharing. Windows has long been superior when it comes to making large amounts of files available to third parties. Even early versions of Windows automatically detected and made available all directories thanks to the built in NetBIOS-powered file sharing support. But Microsoft has realized that this technology is inherently limited and has added even better file sharing support to its Windows XP operating system. Universal Plug and Play will make it possible to literally access any file, from any device! I think universal file sharing support needs to be built into the Linux kernel soon.

* Intelligent agents. With innovations like Clippy, the talking paperclip and Microsoft Bob, Microsoft has always tried to make life easier for its customers. With Outlook and Outlook Express, Microsoft has built a framework for developers to create even smarter agents. Especially popular agents include "Sircam", which automatically asks the users' friends for advice on files he is working on and the "Hybris" agent, which is a self-replicating copy of a humorous take on "Snow-White and the Seven Dwarves" (the real story!). Microsoft is working on expanding this P2P technology to its web servers. This project is still in the beta stage, thus the name "Code Red". The next versions will be called "Code Yellow" and "Code Green".

* Version numbers. Linux has real naming problems. What's the difference between a 2.4.19 and a 2.2.17 kernel anyway? And what's with those odd and even numbers? Microsoft has always had clear and sophisticated naming/versioning policies. For example, Windows 95 was named Windows 95 because it was released in 1995. Windows 98 was released three years later, and so on. Windows XP brought a whole new "experience" to the user, therefore the name. I suggest that the next Linux kernel releases be called Linux 03, Linux 04, Linux 04.5 (OSR1),
Linux 04.7B (OSR2 SP4 OEM), Linux 2005 and Linux VD (Valentine's Day edition). Furthermore, remember how Microsoft named every upcoming version of Windows after some Egyptian city? Cairo, Chicago and so on. I think that the development kernels should be named after Spanish cities to celebrate Linux' Spanish origins. Linux Milano or Linux Rome anyone?

* Multi-User Support. This has always been one of Microsoft's strong sides, especially in the Windows 95/98 variants, where passwords were completely unnecessary. Microsoft has made the right decision by not bothering the user
with a distinction between "normal" and "root" users too much -- practice has shown that average users can be trusted to act responsibly and in full awareness of the potential consequences of their actions. After all, if your operating system doesn't trust you, why should you trust it? (To be fair, Linux is making some progress here with the Lindows distribution, where users are always running as root.)

With Windows XP, Microsoft has again improved multi-user support. Not only does Windows XP come with a large library of user pictures that are displayed on the login screen, such as a guitar and a flower, i

1. Netscape the company is long gone. There are a few people left, but 99% of the "original" 4000 or so employees who had an @netscape.com email address moved on. Look at people.netscape.com and compare it to this archived version from 2000.
2. The brand has already been repeatedly scuttled by (among other things):
   1. the squandering of the server assets by AOL (to the benefit of Sun)
   2. the missed opportunity for AOL to run on Netscape products.
   3. the "Netscape Online" ISP that failed to ignite much interest.

Just be thankful that the Mozilla Foundation is independent of AOL.

MS don't get it that people use GNU/Linux because it is "free".

Yes, it's not as if Microsoft has ever managed to completely destroy a competitor that was giving away their product.

> An IE plugin with these security features would tremendously cut down on some of the major malware problems that many people are currently facing. All without having to switch browsers, too.

Or how about a Mozilla plugin to switch temporarily to using the IE rendering engine! Netscape has it, there must be a version for Firefox too
http://browser.netscape.com/ns8/

Ok,

Weighing in with my two cents worth, for what it's worth, I'd like to brain dump what I would consider worth while options for your needs. All of these are solutions I either have used in the past successfully, or am currently using for various purposes. So bear in mind that this is not just the causal musings of a thread cruiser, but actual tried and proven solutions ;-)

First some basic assumptions:

1) You want to run some form of Unix or Unix like system ( i.e. Linux ) - you've noted you currently use your Apple PowerBook laptop, so one has to assume you're running Mac OS X 10.x.x natively ( more power to you ).

2) You want complete control over the system including "root" access 24/7 - this is of course the whole point of having your own system, you can beat it up, break it, rebuild it, and all that jazz.

3) The system should be able to be run remotely, even if just headless on your LAN, or perhaps more ideally remotely from some external 3rd party in a hosted solution so you don't end up having to host it behind your link at home ( also making it easier for you to provide access to other parties should you want to either share it with friends and family or if you just want to make it world visible for whatever reason - i.e. your own mail and web server et al ).

4) You want an "always on" solution, so this should be something that, as you state, should not suck too much juice power wise, is able to be built with a "standard build" style hardened platform, which in the case of power loss would ideally recover nicely, quickly, and be back on line ( I'll touch on this later as standard builds are going to make your life so much simpler and fun ).

5) The performance of the system ideally should be such that it will cope with the key elements you've noted in your post, such as:

a) remote access such as remote sessions via SSH won't kill the system

b) able to run a web server such as:

thttpd: http://www.acme.com/software/thttpd/
Apache: http://www.apache.org/
mathopd: http://mathop.diva.nl/
Roxen: http://www.roxen.com/
Boa: http://www.boa.org/
Jigsaw: http://www.w3.org/Jigsaw/ ( written in Java )
Acme.Serve: http://www.acme.com/java/software/Acme.Serve.Serve .html ( written in Java )
CERN: http://www.w3.org/hypertext/WWW/Daemon/Status.html
NCSA: http://hoohoo.ncsa.uiuc.edu/
Netscape FastTrack: http://home.netscape.com/ ( not sure if it's still available )
Netscape Enterprise: http://home.netscape.com/ ( not sure if it's still available )
Zeus: http://www.zeus.co.uk/

source: http://www.acme.com

Ok,

Weighing in with my two cents worth, for what it's worth, I'd like to brain dump what I would consider worth while options for your needs. All of these are solutions I either have used in the past successfully, or am currently using for various purposes. So bear in mind that this is not just the causal musings of a thread cruiser, but actual tried and proven solutions ;-)

First some basic assumptions:

1) You want to run some form of Unix or Unix like system ( i.e. Linux ) - you've noted you currently use your Apple PowerBook laptop, so one has to assume you're running Mac OS X 10.x.x natively ( more power to you ).

2) You want complete control over the system including "root" access 24/7 - this is of course the whole point of having your own system, you can beat it up, break it, rebuild it, and all that jazz.

3) The system should be able to be run remotely, even if just headless on your LAN, or perhaps more ideally remotely from some external 3rd party in a hosted solution so you don't end up having to host it behind your link at home ( also making it easier for you to provide access to other parties should you want to either share it with friends and family or if you just want to make it world visible for whatever reason - i.e. your own mail and web server et al ).

4) You want an "always on" solution, so this should be something that, as you state, should not suck too much juice power wise, is able to be built with a "standard build" style hardened platform, which in the case of power loss would ideally recover nicely, quickly, and be back on line ( I'll touch on this later as standard builds are going to make your life so much simpler and fun ).

5) The performance of the system ideally should be such that it will cope with the key elements you've noted in your post, such as:

a) remote access such as remote sessions via SSH won't kill the system

b) able to run a web server such as:

thttpd: http://www.acme.com/software/thttpd/
Apache: http://www.apache.org/
mathopd: http://mathop.diva.nl/
Roxen: http://www.roxen.com/
Boa: http://www.boa.org/
Jigsaw: http://www.w3.org/Jigsaw/ ( written in Java )
Acme.Serve: http://www.acme.com/java/software/Acme.Serve.Serve .html ( written in Java )
CERN: http://www.w3.org/hypertext/WWW/Daemon/Status.html
NCSA: http://hoohoo.ncsa.uiuc.edu/
Netscape FastTrack: http://home.netscape.com/ ( not sure if it's still available )
Netscape Enterprise: http://home.netscape.com/ ( not sure if it's still available )
Zeus: http://www.zeus.co.uk/

source: http://www.acme.com

You can also use TiVo to Go with the Orb free streaming system. Just go to this site to download an add-on to Orb that lets you stream out your TiVo files anywhere you can access http://my.org.com./ You can stream as Windows Media, Real Video or 3G if you're feeling like streaming TiVo to your cell phones. Kinda like a slingbox, but free.

The commentor and OP are confusing Java and Javascript. The two share a C-like syntax, that is all. The only reason they even have a confusing name is because Netscape renamed Livescript at the same time the Java-for-applets alliance with Sun was driving the browser. Brendan Eich probably wishes he could have a do-over on that one.

Netscape just released version 8.0 http://browser.netscape.com/ns8/ but it only runs on Windows...

From: "packrat"
Date: 18 Jul 17:31 (PDT)
To: oclug@lists.oclug.on.ca
Subject: Re: [oclug] Linux Users [and evolution]
If these seem like goofy ideas... remember, I'm an average user and I know what I want.

yah. entertainment, net and work stations, right? we are now looking for the magic hook, the killer app that MS CAN'T steal. (hard effort there. i think they're paying out 4 billion a year for stolen ideas (lawsuits) now.
and it's a 'two steps forward and one back' (ala the current crop of intel.prop decesions) process.
corperate formula would be along the lines of..
(rant mode on)
necessary, easy, fun.
simple, conveient, reliable.
friendly, smart and intelligent.

ya don't need to know the process of generating that nifty up there. another pragmatic analyis of an existencial situation... (with the dimensional count being outta wack with current nuke-physics. tough beans, eh? I have issues with them over that.) seriously.
outlawinbg MS is prop'ly a faster way.
pat http://mywebpage.netscape.com/Patr44PDonovan

"How about Cern and Tim Berners-Lee? The initial Netscape release was basically the same as NCSA Mosaic which came before it."

Just to clarify:

CERN is the European Organization for Nuclear Research (the acroynm isn't English-language). Tim Berners-Lee "created" the original web browser, WorldWideWeb, while he was working there.

Mosaic was developed at NCSA, the National Center for Supercomputing Applications at the University of Illinois in Urbana-Champaign.

Marc Andreesen and Eric Bina were the original creators of Mosaic while they were students working at NCSA. Andreesen later founded Netscape Communications (originally Mosaic Communications) to try and build a company around the success of Mosaic.

They're fixing Firefox for Mac. And you forgot to mention Netscape 8 in your list. The horror...

Browser Incompatible
Thank you for your interest in SimCity 4! Unfortunately, you are currently running a browser version that is incompatible with our site. You will need to upgrade your browser to the most current version to get the most out of the SimCity 4 site.
To get the latest version of Microsoft's Internet Explorer, go to: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/.
To get the latest version of Netscape's Navigator, go to: http://www.netscape.com/ and click on Download Netscape 7.0 in the tool bar.

Nope. JavaScript was introduced with Navigator 2.0, maybe not on every platform. See the Navigator 2.0 (Windows) release notes. Wikipedia is obviously wrong on this.

The development of this server was overseen by several of the original authors of the LDAP RFC's including Howes, Smith and Good.

These guys had a fair amount of experience of the problem that was under investigation, so the engineering team had cogent technical leadership (and as I recall, the engineers themselves were fairly black-belt when it came to coding ability and dedication to the cause).

Additionally, this server is several generations old with significant input from large corporate customers whose almost always demanded 100% availability as their number one priority (and speed as number two).

There are all kinds of things that this release version won't be able to do because it's development has no doubt slowed of late (multi-mastering? management of ephemeral session data? etc?); but what it can do, thanks to the GPL, is provide a fantastic reference implementation for other projects such as OpenLDAP and Samba, and perhaps even a useful set of binaries in it's own right.

Actually it appears JavaScript debuted in Netscape 2.0. (Link via this.)

For the auto-update, you need to wait for them to update this file.

Hmm, it looks like they distribute the trust stuff there too :)

I installed Netscape 8 the day it came out for testing purposes. I saw this story, went to Netscape with their default skin and found they had nothing similiar to the Firefox's red ! to alert me that updates were necessary. I went to Tools->Advanced->Software Update and found Automatically Download and install updates was checked by default, so I checked my UA string to find it was still Netscape 8.0. Went back to Software Update and ran Check Now and it did not find any updates. Switched to their other theme (I do appreciate it coming with two themes provided for users to choose from) and found no icon next to that throbber either (as one might expect). Will this be turned on/fixed in the future, or was the functionality for this in the 17 MB minimum hard drive space system requirements difference between it and Firefox?

This coupled with the fact that Firefox themes/extensions do not work and the fact that it has twice the recommended system requirement for processor speed and memory (which seems accurate as it seems slower than Firefox and I am somewhere in between Firefox and Netscape's recoomended CPU speed) are just a few of the reasons I will not switch back.

There were only 3 bugs fixed in 8.0.1, not 44! See the Release Notes for yourself.

It's so Not A Good Thing(TM) that a commercial product needs a security upgrade on the first day of going official.

i prefer to get my browser from the organ grinder, not the monkey

Full installer:

http://ftp.netscape.com/pub/netscape8/english/8.0/ windows/win32/nsb-install-8-0.exe

http://www.netscape.com/detourns.adp

Yea, I found the same thing.

Verisign, truste, paretologic, and maybe more (the page isn't clear).

BTW, the first sentance was originally "The Wall Street Journal is reporting that AOL will release Netscape 8.0 - also being reported at BetaNews and a growing number of sites." ... but he changed that to CNet which has the 5 page review ... the Firefox 1.03 reference is from BetaNews.

Finally, I had added this closing statement/question "While Netscape was the dominant browser years ago, it has faded dramatically ... does this release have significant enough features such that end-users will give it another try? Time will tell." ... and I personally think it's a bit too little too late - Firefox works darn well for me, and with the iview extension, I have one-click access to IE if need be. But the browser wars are far from over as IE7 appears to be copying many of Firefox's features, plus Opera and Safari continue to get good press ... so time will tell!

BTW, the first sentance was originally "The Wall Street Journal is reporting that AOL will release Netscape 8.0 - also being reported at BetaNews and a growing number of sites." ... but he changed that to CNet which has the 5 page review ... the Firefox 1.03 reference is from BetaNews.

Finally, I had added this closing statement/question "While Netscape was the dominant browser years ago, it has faded dramatically ... does this release have significant enough features such that end-users will give it another try? Time will tell." ... and I personally think it's a bit too little too late - Firefox works darn well for me, and with the iview extension, I have one-click access to IE if need be. But the browser wars are far from over as IE7 appears to be copying many of Firefox's features, plus Opera and Safari continue to get good press ... so time will tell!

The Trust Rating system is intriguing if it were carried a bit further. In conjuction with a built-in malware detector, every Netscape user could be feeding information to the Trust Rating DB. If a popular site is hijacked or infected, then as soon as one Netscape user accesses it, the system would detect the attempted malware activites, alert the Trust Rating system, and alert all subsequent users. The result is an internet immune system based on distributed detection.

I wonder if the ultimate version of this system is a DNS with Trust-Rating lookup process. Instead of using a plain-jane DNS, the browser would use a special DNS that returns both the IP and the trust-rating of that IP. Overloading DNS with a few bits of trust data would reduce the overhead of calling two DB for each web page access (DNS and Trust Rating).