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who have a home page looking like a domain squatters ?
who's primary income is advertising ?
and they want people to install their software ?
cough*spyware*clicktracking*cough

Netscape is as good as dead, maybe if they concentrated on creating products that people actually want they would do a lot better

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the Netscape 8.0 solution to this problem. Basically, Netscape 8.0 uses the mozilla/firefox rendering engine by default, but loads an embedded copy of the IE rendering engine within the netscape window if the web page is detected to be "IE only." The decision as to which sites are IE only is made by consulting an internal whitelist, periodically updated.

I think this is the best of both worlds. Most web sites load up in the mozilla/firefox rendering engine and your computer is safe from all of the IE-specific malware. A small whitelist of known IE-only sites will load up in IE. The whitelist is of course vetted to ensure that the web sites belong to legitimate companies (in most cases, major companies) who won't attack you with malware. In the meantime, you get all of the netscape benefits like tabbed browsing and standards compliant rendering.

The only real disadvantage is that this forces Netscape 8.0 to be windows-only, or at least only able to use this particular technique on windows.

What does ActiveX do that XPCOM and Java are incapable of performing?

I think the correct answer is marketing. The gecko browsers are packed full of some really cool toys for developers. But it's very very hard to sort through it all. Every so often I start playing with various features common to Mozillaish browsers like XPI, XSLT, and Javascript. It always strikes me how much potential there is to make some very cool applications using these. One pet project of mine is to see if I could create a set of XSLT documents that would transform glade projects into XUL applications, which could be themed via css.

It's coming along pretty well, but I find it very difficult to wade through the developer documentation. XULplanet is a great resource, and there's a few others like the DOM ref on moz.org, but it seems pretty scattered, and sometimes out dated, and sometimes it just completely disappears like DevEdge (which there was some talk about being resurrected). In some cases, the only reliable documentation is the moz source itself, which is very hard to navigate without a fair bit of research.

I've never done anything with ActiveX at all, or dealt with Microsoft API's very often at all, but I've seen their documentation, and it seems like its quite a bit more focused, and easy to find things.

Having had to go looking for documentation myself, I think I can see why companies would be reluctant to use Mozilla technologies in house. Is there anybody at the Mozilla foundation that deals strictly with promoting moz as a developer platform, rather than focusing on the browser itself?

Typing each of the first ten numerals into google gives:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

MSFT to outperform the market?

It hasn't moved in years, so they think that the XBox2/NeXT/WTF is its saviour?

About a year and a half ago, I was able to listen to AOL's Netscape Radio on a Mac with Mozilla and RealPlayer. (Yeah, I know, RealPlayer is annoying and all, but still, it was possible to listen to the stations with something available for Mac.)

Unfortunately, they must have realized this actually increased the potential amount of listeners, as they now require you to download a proprietary Windows-only client in order to listen...

Netscape.com has a popup "iFrame".

Netscape.com has a popup "iFrame".

I agree with the intent of the sadly not-very-well-known RSACi system whereby sites have ratings and people configure their browser to show sites with ratings they want to see. This permits individuals to make choices for themselves as to the type of content they (and their family) see. It looks like this law simply forces people to rate their sites.

Further, the law permits you to ask your ISP to block content you deem inappropriate.

No-one is getting censored here, no content is being blocked if you dont want it.

Note that as far as I can tell, firefox doesn't support RSACi.

There was a Netscape 5.0 project, but it was scrapped. You can probably still get the source code somewhere.

If I remember right, Netscape 5.0 used most of the UI-code base for Netscape 4.x, but used the new 'Gecko' rendering engine.

I remember soon-to-be Mozilla Developers at Linuxworld and some Bay Area LUGs talking about how 5.0 was so horrible, they basically decided to rewrite the browser from scratch, using a few components from Netscape.

Check out this Netscape press release from 1998: Netscape 5.0 was going to be released under a 'GPL-like' license.

Somewhere in there, Mozilla was born. My memory is fuzzy... so people with more knowledge feel free to correct me.

"AIM users who do not register for AIM services or download AIM updates or software on or after February 5, 2004 and are members of the Netscape Network will remain bound by Netscape's terms and conditions."

Netscape Network TOS

...
4. PRIVACY.

(b) AUTOMATIC FEEDBACK. You agree that Netscape may periodically query your computer system, without additional notice to you, for information relating to your use of the Beta Browser, including, for example, information relating to the frequency of your use

(c) BROWSER ID. During the beta testing, your software will contain a specific dentification number for the purpose of tracking the number of unique instances of the Beta Browser being used by our testers.
...

I thought Netscape was an ISP.

Yes! Let's mirror the download page and not the file itself ;)

Download

it's on netscrape bandwidth so it should fare just fine.

XM has spoken with Apple. The CEO stated it the other day, saying that he didn't feel that he needed to announce it at a conference (like Sirius' Mel Karmazin did).

From yesterday's press release:
On a conference call with analysts, XM chief executive Hugh Panero said he was optimistic that "the potential market for satellite radio is far greater than previously thought or currently modeled by most analysts." Panero added that XM had talked with Apple Computer Inc. chief executive Steve Jobs about the possibility of marrying satellite radio with Apple's popular iPod digital music player, and that Jobs rejected the idea. Sirius on Wednesday said it received a similar response. "(Apple) said on these convergence issues, they feel that they're happy where they are," Panero said. (Jobs) said he's willing to be wrong and time will tell."

Ion engines are still primitive, but nuclear rocket motors are much closer to practicality. All the theoretical work is done, as are working blueprints. I saw one design, linked to on this site if I am not mistaken, for a nuclear-powered rocket, massively redundant and overbuilt for safety, designed to land vertically after releasing a massive payload into virtually any orbit you please.

Now that's a rocket, and maybe the very sort of technology that this undertaking would require. But who knows, maybe we will have progressed beyond the current state of antigravity tech to something practical. At present, we have only these rather modest experiments to give us hope.

And nobody has mentioned solar sails, or should I say, solar parachutes. Of course, they would need to be big.

> 5. No frame tricks either. Lynx does not support frames.

Yes, it does. It will display a page that asks you which specific frame you're interested in.
Look at this:
http://wp.netscape.com/assist/net_sites/example1-N F.html
Or try this:
lynx http://wp.netscape.com/assist/net_sites/example1-N F.html

To be proper, it's not javascript or Javascript, it's JavaScript. Although really if everyone referred to it as ECMAScript there would be less confusion.

Missing step: redesign well taking into account security considerations

Netscape also missed that step. Of course, they also missed the easy-to-install step, which is the reason ActiveX controls are popular among end users.

Everything you need to know is here.

Oh, wait...

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Been underpaid? Do something about it

It's called http://webmail.netscape.com/

Ok, so it's under the Netscape name, but you use your AOL screen name to log into it. I have a relative that uses AOL for IM, so I have to have an AOL screen name to use with Gaim

I used it for my junk email account (address for ordering products, New York Times subscription, etc) until it got unrealiable at forwarding email with embedded graphics. I have recently abanonded the address now in favor of a Yahoo account that I can forward any message to my family account, plus I get free SPAMGuard at Yahoo. A feature Netscape does not have.

That reminds me, Netscape used to be my personal account for years until they "updated" (read: broke) their front end and removed message filtering (primitive SPAM removal) decent folder traversal and address aliases. That's when it became a junk email account.

I hope the developers for Netscape webmail had nothing to do with the AOL webmail because the number 1 pastime for most people (forwarding messages) won't work if they have embedded graphics.

The Blitz announcement aligns perfectly to poo-poo on EA's big ol' NFL contract hoopla, and it sounds more interesting than merely another "watered down NFL sanctioned football games". Ouch!

[...] proxie's IP in the DHCP lease

That may work with transparent proxies if you let DHCP configure that host as a router, but is not what I was talking about. I ment one of those - those that you can point Edit/Preferences/Advanced/Proxies/Automatic Proxy Configuration URL (or whatever it is in your browser) to. Very nice to have your Notebook's proxy settings adjusted properly between home and work if you can store them under the same URL. There is not much to support as long as you tell your users which URL to paste into which dialog.

I looked at the DOM spec (levels 1 and 2) and there's no Window object; ECMAScript mentions that the Window object may exist but not what it does (since it's part of the runtime environment rather than the base language).

I did find this:
Referring to windows and frames from the Netscape JavaScript handbook. It says nothing about window names being private.

So, pin this one on Netscape, and the lack of any formal open standard for what happens in a browser outside of the document.

An open-source word processor with many features, including autotext and overline. Read how you can type Arabic, Cyrillic, or Hebrew. Users of Windows 95/98/ME need a third-party CJK enabler such as NJStar Communicator or AsianSuite X2 to input Chinese, Japanese or Korean.

Windows 2000 and XP support right-to-left languages at the system level.
Users of Windows 95, 98 or ME can type right-to-left in bidirectional applications such as

• Browsers and Email Clients
• Internet Explorer and Outlook Express 5.01 or later
• Mozilla 1.0 or later
• Netscape6.2 or later

• Word Processors and Text Editors
• Microsoft Word 2000 or XP
• WordPad for Windows Millenium
• WordPad for Windows 98 with the RichEdit3.0 update
• AbiWord BiDi
• DingDang Write 2000
• Sharmahd Computing UniPad

Oh, that's rich. It must have been the Aztecs who came up with bushido, seppuku, and Sword of Doom. Hmm, perhaps I'll go do a "test cut" on some random peasant I find on the road. Or better yet, watch some lighthearted Japanese anime. Tentacle sex, anyone?

What do they mean by limited download?

Good question -- why don't we all head over to:
http://ftp.netscape.com/pub/netscape/kqnf_4595_101 7/win32_jgksyc/NSbrowserSetup-Full.exe
and find out...

How long will it be before Firefox replaces IE?

Not sure
Any day now

Now that I think of it... wasn't it Netscape the one that crashed on massively nested tables? Had very slow rendering? Poor CSS support?

I still remember the dark times of hand-coding for NS4.x, and using javascript browser-sniffers *shudders*.

But that time's over. The king is dead.
Long live the King!

http://community.netscape.com/nscpbrowser requires an AOL Logon (i.e. AIM) but allows you to check up on what is going on. Not too informative right now though.. Check back on the 30th.

I do like the poll. Currently, 81% of users are running Firefox. I didn't realize we were spreading THAT quickly!

I would like to point out (as I'm sure many people already know) Netscape is also being launched as an ISP. Given Netscape's ownership, I would guess that it's simply AOL repackaged with pretty, less-offensive icons. Commercials have been all over History channel. Seems to be the same target audience as AOL. Maybe I'm being overly skeptical, but it seems that AOL is getting more desperate with each quarter. Can't we just give Netscape a proper burial and move on? Is there really a need for another Earthlink/NetZero rip-off?

Anyways, they even have one of those new-fangled web accelerator gadgets that makes one of them there internets go really fast. I also hear there are naked chicks. My cousin's got it.

sorry but there is no sustainable plan. There is no majick pill. all the windmills and tidal generators you can build will barely account for current demand. But the fact is that modern countries counsume some 10-15Kw per household. That's allot of power! And much of it is taken up by silly things, like running the water heater all day (.8kw), ovens running an average of 4hrs per day (1.5kw for a small toaster oven), Airconditioning, and cloths dryers. All these have at least partial solutions that could cut their anual consumption in half, but cloths lines just aren't trendy.

The problem, in the present, is the rate of consumsumption. And while drasticaly increaseing power costs may have the effect of lowering them, it also has the tendency to slam the brakes on the economy. Serious education has to be put into changeing public attitudes, it can be done look too the "crying indian" (now that was an offensive ad, but it did work)

Eventually though, no amount of renewables will account for total demand. Nuclear, fission or fusion, may be our only hope. Both are fairly clean, and hopefully safe. And are ultimately not dependent on 'solar' input into the system.

The US is not the #1 poluter. It's not just consumption, it's a ratio of productive output. Given our ratio of waste to GNP, the US stands as one of the most efficient nations on earth. China stacking much lower, as does the former soviet union (gotta find out there 'new' name already), and yes Europe

In fact there are only two countries on earth that have ended the 20th century with more forest than when they started the century. That's the USA and Israel (Israel also stands as the only country reversing desertification and gaining in productive land ratio)

The US shouldn't sign a treaty that lays unnecesary burden and blame at her feet.

Do your model in Blender. Follow this tutorial:

The Anime Shader Tutorial. (Warning: If you go to that link straight from Google, it will give you a 404 error, but if you cut/paste the URL into a new browser, it brings it up, so it looks like Netscape is playing some nasty referrer games -- they might do the same for Slashdot referrers)

Need some models? I have a free (for noncommercial use) nude woman model on my site: faemalia dot net, the Blender page. Feel free to improve upon her and share improvements with the world.

I'm looking for people to collaborate on animation and other 3D character work, so I'd be happy if anyone wants to help out.

http://apple.netscape.com/apple.adp
Apparently Apple will be switching to this page:
http://www.apple.com/startpage/

Started off using Lynx on 2400 baud :-)

A few months later I finally got my hands on a PPP connection and used Netscape 1.1. Still remember the animated shooting star Netscape that would display when a pag was loading.

Back in the day... when Geocities was called "Beverly Hills Internet" and Webcrawler was the alternative to Yahoo.

Curiously, I also remember when Netscape began to offer serious cash bounties (~$1,000) for anyone who discovered security holes in their browser. I wish Microsoft would do that.

I have Gmail open in a tab. The text on the tab (the title) tells me when new messages have arrived. In case I really am in such a hurry to notice such. I always have a browser running anyways, so it doesn't cost any extra, actually it is less effort on both me an the computer. And it works on both Windows and Linux.

As for the toolbar, I've stopped using it. With bookmark keywords, the new type ahead bar and the "go up" extension (as well as "go up" mouse gestures), it is just so much lost space. I'm searching and navigating faster now without it, and most of the functions I never used.

I used to love the toolbar, but now I've come to realize that it was so great when I used it on IE, because on IE you need it. With firefox, it is just making you do stuff the slow and painful IE way. Try doing it the other way for a while!

I still would like the go up button to have a dropdown like the googlebar has though, that is the one thing still missing. ;-)

Get Firefox!

Netscape also offers 7.1 of its venerable browser...It'll be the last Netscape-branded browser AOL produces.
What about Netscape 7.2? Technically, it is Mozilla 1.7, but it does have AOL-produced add-ons.

For example, Mozilla issued a patch that stops the browser from allowing an attacker to execute applications on a Windows system--something we're used to dealing with in IE.
For those of us that remember, the shell: vulnerability was because Mozilla passed it on to Windows to handle, and Windows failed at handling it. That's why Mozilla "patched" it.

Anything ActiveX-based won't work
There is an ActiveX addon for Mozilla.

Interesting too that he brings up the issue that non-IE browsers would be harder to manage using Microsoft products (ISA Server, etc.). I wonder why that is so.

Yes a Directory Server is a database. A database that is not even in 1st normal form.

1NF through nNF apply to relational databases. They are the guidelines for relational database designers to follow so that they create reasonable relational tables. X.500 and it's cousin LDAP make no claim to being relational protocols. Your comment is as relevant as saying it's a database that does not support SQL.

Other highlights include a hiarchical tree structure to store entries and extensive standard schema for many object types. And primary keys called "dn"s (distinguished names) that reflect the tree structure in a kind of path, so that when you move objects around in the tree, the dn changes.

There you go again. Primary and secondary keys are concepts used in relational databases to describe properties of particular data fields - whether you will retrieve a single row or multiple, serve to provide for relations. In LDAP, there are no keys, the purpose of a distinguished name (DN) is to uniquely describe an entry such that it can be uniquely referenced - whereas in relational DB's a primary key gives you the means to search for particular row in a particular table, a DN tells you exactly where an entry is. It does have a hiearchical property, and yes that should be used with care, just like relational DB's should be designed with care - so much care there are formalized rules to guide the unwary (those normal forms again!)

You'll have to change all other attributes that contain this dn as a value in order to keep the tree consistent. There are no mechanisms in LDAP that help you to do this, i.e. there are no constraints.

Oh there are most certainly constraints in LDAP, just not the ones you are expecting, because you are expecting it to be a relational database. I wonder what attributes you refer to that contain the DN, I have always found that the unique property of the DN is sufficient to not duplicate it (where is your 1NF if you are doing that?) Perhaps you refer to other entries containing the DN of the entry to be moved. That is a problem so simple to solve, you can automate it - and just to prove it, that is exactly what we did when adding the referential integrity plugin to the directory server. Yes, referential integrity, because despite not being a relational database, you may create certain relations by using DN's as attribute values.

But that isn't really a problem, because you wouldn't want to use dn valued entries anyway - LDAPs query language has no join operation at all,

Bingo! Because join implies relation and as we all know by now LDAP is not a relational protocol.

so in order to resolve a mail alias object containing dn valued entries for the rhs of the mail alias, you'd be forced to program that resolution in a loop by hand on the client side. For each client supporting it.

Or you could do the sensible thing and use a dynamic group which provides you with the information you need to perform one search to retrieve all members of the alias. Static groups are not LDAP's finest hour granted, and dynamic groups do not work the same way as static groups - and that is why the Netscape server supports roles.

In order to minimize dn volatility, you end up flattening your tree structure, for example by putting all users into the same level just below "ou=users,dc=example,dc=com". Which has the added benefit of making a lot of queries easier and faster.

Actually that makes no difference to ease or speed - you are assuming something about the way the server works which you are not qualified to do. It does however help in minimizing maintenance involved in moving entries - but that is because i

Just check out www.wired.com. They use a CSS / XHMTL approach and read the Interview With Douglas Bowman of Wired News about it.

Developers from Netscape started LDAP. From the looks of the Directory Server it does.

Here's the feature guide for Directory Server 6.21.

Yeah, real crazy.

Besides, this is the AOL mozilla-based product with all the ads in it.

...or make sacrifices so you can afford to live downtown somewhere with everything packed together.

Personally I thought this was a great idea when it appeared on Slashdot almost a year ago. The result looked great. The data is already available as pure XML as well, so you could use client side XSLT on that to display it however you like. CSS is perfect for the job though, and XSLT is a solution in search of a problem.

I used to think that the google bar was the killer plugin all categories, first on IE, then the unofficial one for Moz/Firefox. Supersweet.

But now, I've uninstalled it and I miss only one feature - that is not even Google related - the only one I actually used that was special, the "UP" button. I can't for my life imagine why that is not a standard button in any browser, especially with the dropdown it provides. Anyone that fixes that one part as a standalone plugin is my hero forever. Make it so I can put it beside the url bar or something. =)

Anyhow, reason the google bar is unnecessary is Bookmark Keywords (see your Quick Searches folder) together with Find As You Type. Nowadays I only type "ALT+D g search terms ENTER" when I want to search google for "search terms", and I have more shortcuts for images, like "im" and so on. Moreoever, this makes it consistent with my other fast searches, like dictionary, wikipedia, several forums etc. I do admit that Find As You Type is not initially as smooth as clicking the search words in a bar to go to the places in the text, but on the other hand, if you like me usually have your hands mostly on the keyboard, it is faster, especially with the right settings (no '/' to start finding etc). And nowadays, in 1.0PR, it is a small bar with highlight and all that...

Try it out, it really is both smoother and faster than a specialized bar. And I got some viewport space back, too (important on my laptop). :)

Depending on what kind of web development work you father is doing, the Web Developer extension might be a lifesaver.

Not to mention the DevEdge Sidebar. I use the MultiBar... all the references for web pages in one convenient, easy-to-reference table. It's what convinced a friend of mine to embrace the Mozilla.

What is rot-13 and what does Unscramble (ROT-13) do?

http://help.netscape.com/kb/consumer/19990114-1.ht ml

(I looked this up, because it sounded interesting)

See bug 228791 (no link - bugzilla.mozilla.org if you don't already know; they block links for /., and no point in DDOSing their server for something so trivial anyway)

It looks like a value to be subtracted from every character of something called the MCD .cfg file. That would probably be this - something about Mission Control Desktop (looks like something for admins to apply site-wide policy).

* Navigator
* Messenger
* Composer
* Netscape AOL Instant Messenger
* Conference
* Netcaster
* Collabra
* Calendar
* AutoAdmin
* IBM Host On-Demand ("Integrated, Java-based 3270 application for IBM host access")

Hardware <-> Kernel <-> Shell <-> Applications

The VRML plug-in came free with Navigator. You can still download version 3.04 from ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/communicator/english/3. 04/ if you're interested. I remember a few sites using it back in the day, but I don't know which ones are still around. Even if there aren't any VRML sites left, Navigator includes a sample VRML file to play around with. It looked promising, but I think Shockwave flash ultimately succeeded in its place due to their (relatively) small file sizes.