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Apple is releasing an iPod cell phone, while Nokia is releasing a tablet computer with no cell phone capabilities.

Are you talking about these,http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,8764,56023,00.h tml , products? Could please post some more about how this is done with Asterisk?

Although neither of these are quite realeased yet,

Truphone + a Nokia N91

VoIP Over 802.11b when you can, and cellular when you can't.
(sorry about the N91 link. It's as close as I could get on their stupid flash site)

And get a Nokia 1100. A simple phone for those with simple requirements.

Wireless like Nokia does and network like Cisco does are just too different at this point.

Nokia does other things besides wireless. Firewalls, VPN and other networking services, for example.

UP AND COMING!?

Nokia does network gear, too. Mostly firewall appliances.

The articles make it seem that all S60 applications are Java. While many are, a growing percentage of S60 applications are written in C++. Nokia purchased and licenses pieces of freescale's (formely Motorola, formely Metrowerks) CodeWarrior for Symbian OS, which is the most popular C++ IDE for SymbianOS. You'll find that most games and heavy-duty S60 applications are written in C++ because, well, Java sux at ~133Mhz (where most entry level S60 devices run at).

It's not so far fetched. You don't need Linux. There is Python for Series 60 already available.

well, it's still not available, but it seems to be one heck of a Linux PDA. 800x480 16bit screen, dual wireless - that's wifi and bluetooth builtin. Oh, and it is supposed to be 802.g, not 802.b, as 110% of the others PDAs that have some kind of wireless access.

I wish it had a snappier CPU (200MHz ARM9) and more memory (64MB RAM). Also, CompactFlash support would be great, but it will sport RS-MMC, for compability with current Symbian Nokia phones. Or so I'm told.

A good review here: http://jkontherun.blogs.com/jkontherun/2005/06/jko ntherun_gues.html
and the official page: http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,,74866,00.html

nokia 770 (ships sept-dec 2005)

wifi, bluetooth, gnome, linux

'The Nokia 770 Internet Tablet's software is upgradeable and currently runs on the Linux-based Internet Tablet 2005 software edition.'

If you go Linux, Howabout supporting people designing devices for Linux, like Nokia 770?

Buying a pocketpc to run Linux is idiotic.

There are other handhelds out there - or soon will be. After taking several years off from such devices, I plan to get a Nokia 770... eventually. It's not even on the market yet, and people are already developing for it. The one thing I'm waiting on is VoIP, and that's already been announced. But I can't figure out where the sound-in jack is. I only see sound out on the specs.

All that (except the hard drive) and more (802.11g/BTH 1.2/smaller/lighter) for a lower price ($300?) is offered by the Nokia 770 Internet tablet.

Admittedly, the hard drive in the pepper pad is very tempting (the 770 only has RSMMC cards for expandable memory), but not for $500 more...

No, the coolest new Linux device is the Nokia 770.

http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,1522,,00.html?orig=/7 70

VoIP is definitely taking off, and we're beginning to see most of the major telco equipment manufacturers signing onto it. I thought the most interesting part of the article was Microsoft's partnership with the big telco equipment companies, such as Nokia and Motorola. Motorola's already doing some interesting stuff with a Microsoft protocol called WMV12C, which is at the heart of Microsoft Live, where data moves using a circular topology. As you can see from the diagram, the protocol is optimized for typical voice traffic.

This is an exciting time to be in telecommunications. Long term, I see protocols like 802.16 taking over from traditional mobile telephony. You'll use an HPC instead of a traditional cellphone, and subscribe to a combination of a VoIP SP and a set of wireless (802.16) operators, getting all you can eat telecommunications for a price relative to the number of locations you travel to rather than the length of time you speak.

Pretty awesome.

I raise you a Nokia 6310i.

http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,,4377,00.html I own one for over a year and it's superb. The lightest, smallest phone built by Nokia in the last 3-4 years. It doesen't have a camera or a lot of memory. It has color screen but it's not very good and it has java, wap, advanced address book. Other things that it has is GPRS and IRDA. These last two are really handy sometimes, trust me. The battery is 3-5 days now and it was 5-7 days. I'm a minimalist fan but not a fanatic. 6100 is a perfect balance between what you can get for a very small size. I don't miss features such as camera, mp3 player, radio or a ton of memory. That's not to say that I wouldn't find them nice to be had, flash memory especially, but I choosed this phone because, for this size, I considered it to be packed with essential features.

just show me a freakin camera in this nokia 3210 and then we talk

http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,,62356,00.html

Sorry about the flash. This phone has no digits, only a scroll wheel. $600.

Embedded Java systems can run in as little as a few hundred KB of memory

OK, so I should have RTFA first.

So if Nokia has already licensed the tech (years ago), where the heck are the devices?
As far as I've read, none of the Nokia 9x00 Communicator series (9210, 9290, 9500, 9300) support the blackberry protocol... if they did I would already own one. (clue to Nokia)

If anyone at Danger is reading this: Please take your form-factor and license the blackberry communication protocol... expand your target market beyond teenagers (you'll find a tremendous number of people in the IT field already are customers that you are neglecting/annoying). You have the best human-interface of any of these devices I've used, but I can't use it for work.

OK, so I should have RTFA first.

So if Nokia has already licensed the tech (years ago), where the heck are the devices?
As far as I've read, none of the Nokia 9x00 Communicator series (9210, 9290, 9500, 9300) support the blackberry protocol... if they did I would already own one. (clue to Nokia)

If anyone at Danger is reading this: Please take your form-factor and license the blackberry communication protocol... expand your target market beyond teenagers (you'll find a tremendous number of people in the IT field already are customers that you are neglecting/annoying). You have the best human-interface of any of these devices I've used, but I can't use it for work.

http://press.nokia.com/PR/199603/775981_5.html The Nokia 9000 Communicator was launched at March 13, 1996 and has still wide userbase in Europe, I cant see any bright future for RIM. Agreement between Nokia and RIM just allows to owertake RIM-s customers.

So that's why Nokia has a few phones that are, well, just phones! Like this one, for instance, for less than $100!

Just because there are a lot of new phones with shitloads of features, doesn't mean that there aren't any new 'basic' phones left anymore.

The biggest problem for light-weight browsers intended for lo-res devices is the many sites that don't comply with standards (need much more complicated rendering engine (XHTML intended to be simply to interpret than HTLML)), require images (esp large colour ones), and worse still flash.

Now check http://www.nokia.com/
That's never going to display on one of their phones!

Nokia is currently doing 2 WebKit (based on KHTML/KJS by the KDE project) related webbrowsers:

1) for 770/maemo
this will be shipped with an opera-browser, but WebKit was ported to GTK+ (the toolkit used by maemo) as part of the feasability study. This port can be found under the name gtk-webkit and is used for the atlantis browser.

2) for the Series60 (Symbian based)
For this series Nokia is porting WebKit to the Symbian OS and Symbian toolkit, and will thus create a new browser.

links:
http://khtml.info/
http://kde.org/
http://gtk-webcore.sourceforge.net/
http://www.akcaagac.com/index_atlantis.html
http://www.series60.com/
http://www.symbian.com/
http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,1522,,00.html?orig=/7 70
http://www.maemo.org/

g'luck...
Cies Breijs

Well Nokia's press release says Apple is involved. "A key component of this development has been Nokia's cooperation with Apple". Phil Schiller also says otherwise: "Apple is pleased to assist Nokia in creating their new Series 60 browser based on the same KHTML open source technology that powers Apple's Safari".

this is a brilliant little phone, although it does have a couple of extra features like a (suprisingly useful and bright) flashlight, it does have a great battery life and good signal and sound quality:

http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,,76207,00.html

In the article they repeatedly mention the non-phone WiFi tablet Nokia has come out with but don't call it by name. I assume (from what I read on svg.org) that the 770 is what they're referring to?

Of course I have to use this chance to observe that this device supports SVG Tiny, as does Opera which they've embedded in other phones. Safari has no native SVG yet, but KDE/Konqueror has their implementation in KSVG. So it looks like Nokia is staying on that path.

http://press.nokia.com/PR/200502/980519_5.html

These are corporations, not blood enemies. Tech holy wars like Apple/MS, Sun/MS and Intel/Apple are so last-century.

Oohh, that's so great, concidering it already runs Linux.

Nokia has no fear of exploring new grounds...

It started as a paper manufacturer, the original long distance communication media, moved to telegraph cabling and finnaly to electronics and telecommunications!

The Nokia history is really amazing, check it out at http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,8764,1127,00.html

Here is an email from Roland Geisler at Nokia that was posted on the Safari Web Kit mailing list (more info at http://webkit.opendarwin.org/contact.html)

From: roland geisler
Subject: [webkit-dev] Greetings from the Series 60 mobile browser team at Nokia
Date: June 13, 2005 2:52:33 PM PDT

RE: Recent press release: http://press.nokia.com/PR/200506/998214_5.html

Hi,

I'm heading marketing and strategy at Nokia for Series 60's new mobile browser that will be built upon WebCore/KHTML and JavaScriptCore/KJS. I am writing you this email to thank you for having built the Konqueror and Safari browser with the two components WebCore/KHTML and JavaScriptCore/KJS. I would like to introduce myself and some members from our core development team, and explain why we at Nokia have selected your code base for our future Series 60 mobile browser. I also hope that this will start a mutual dialogue among us that will support all of our projects in the future.

Not all of you might be familiar with Series 60. Series 60 is a smart phone software platform developed by Nokia, which enables feature rich applications on mobile devices. Series 60 is based on the Symbian OS and is written in C++. More information can be found from http://www.forum.nokia.com/
and http://www.series60.com/.

I copied some of our core development team members on this email so you have their names and contact information. Antti Koivisto, whom you might know already, is one of the co-authors of KHTML and has been working for Nokia Research Center for the past few years and recently joined our mobile browser development team in Boston. David Carson and Deepika Chauhan are two of the original developers of the Nokia mobile browser. Zalan Bujtas, Prabhakar Marnadi, Yongjun Zhang and Sachin Padma have been working with mobile browsers for some years at Nokia in Helsinki and Boston. Keith Hollis has several years experience working with mobile browsers and has recently joined our team in Boston, earlier he was the principal person leading the port of the Opera web browser to the Symbian OS at Opera Software. Guido Grassel, Kimmo Kinnunen and Andrei Popescu are working at our Nokia Research Center in Helsinki (http://www.nokia.com/research/) where we have built the GTK port of Apple's WebCore that we released last year - http://gtk-webcore.sourceforge.net/.

The high performance, low memory consumption and small code footprint of KHTML and KJS make these components ideal for resource-constrained mobile devices. Clean architecture and good design create a good base for future development of mobile features. In addition, Web compliance was another important criteria for us. Congratulations to the KDE Konqueror developer team for building such a great browser.

Big thanks at this point also go to the Apple Safari team that has tremendously improved KHTML and KJS in many areas, in particular in Web compliance and performance. WebCore and JavaScriptCore also offer a cleaner separation to the underlying operating system. For these reasons we at Nokia chose WebCore and JavaScriptCore as the code base for our Series 60 mobile browser.

Our plan is that the new Series 60 mobile browser will be available as a standard Series 60 application during the first half of 2006.

We at Nokia are excited to use WebCore/KHTML and JavaScriptCore/KJS for our future Series 60 mobile browser. I hope that we can start a dialogue with your community and the Apple Safari team on how to "mobilize" WebCore/KHTML and JavaScriptCore/KJS to create the best Web browser based on open-source components for mobile devices.

Best regards,

Roland Geisler
Head of Marketing & Strategy, Series 60 Browser
Nok

Here is an email from Roland Geisler at Nokia that was posted on the Safari Web Kit mailing list (more info at http://webkit.opendarwin.org/contact.html)

From: roland geisler
Subject: [webkit-dev] Greetings from the Series 60 mobile browser team at Nokia
Date: June 13, 2005 2:52:33 PM PDT

RE: Recent press release: http://press.nokia.com/PR/200506/998214_5.html

Hi,

I'm heading marketing and strategy at Nokia for Series 60's new mobile browser that will be built upon WebCore/KHTML and JavaScriptCore/KJS. I am writing you this email to thank you for having built the Konqueror and Safari browser with the two components WebCore/KHTML and JavaScriptCore/KJS. I would like to introduce myself and some members from our core development team, and explain why we at Nokia have selected your code base for our future Series 60 mobile browser. I also hope that this will start a mutual dialogue among us that will support all of our projects in the future.

Not all of you might be familiar with Series 60. Series 60 is a smart phone software platform developed by Nokia, which enables feature rich applications on mobile devices. Series 60 is based on the Symbian OS and is written in C++. More information can be found from http://www.forum.nokia.com/
and http://www.series60.com/.

I copied some of our core development team members on this email so you have their names and contact information. Antti Koivisto, whom you might know already, is one of the co-authors of KHTML and has been working for Nokia Research Center for the past few years and recently joined our mobile browser development team in Boston. David Carson and Deepika Chauhan are two of the original developers of the Nokia mobile browser. Zalan Bujtas, Prabhakar Marnadi, Yongjun Zhang and Sachin Padma have been working with mobile browsers for some years at Nokia in Helsinki and Boston. Keith Hollis has several years experience working with mobile browsers and has recently joined our team in Boston, earlier he was the principal person leading the port of the Opera web browser to the Symbian OS at Opera Software. Guido Grassel, Kimmo Kinnunen and Andrei Popescu are working at our Nokia Research Center in Helsinki (http://www.nokia.com/research/) where we have built the GTK port of Apple's WebCore that we released last year - http://gtk-webcore.sourceforge.net/.

The high performance, low memory consumption and small code footprint of KHTML and KJS make these components ideal for resource-constrained mobile devices. Clean architecture and good design create a good base for future development of mobile features. In addition, Web compliance was another important criteria for us. Congratulations to the KDE Konqueror developer team for building such a great browser.

Big thanks at this point also go to the Apple Safari team that has tremendously improved KHTML and KJS in many areas, in particular in Web compliance and performance. WebCore and JavaScriptCore also offer a cleaner separation to the underlying operating system. For these reasons we at Nokia chose WebCore and JavaScriptCore as the code base for our Series 60 mobile browser.

Our plan is that the new Series 60 mobile browser will be available as a standard Series 60 application during the first half of 2006.

We at Nokia are excited to use WebCore/KHTML and JavaScriptCore/KJS for our future Series 60 mobile browser. I hope that we can start a dialogue with your community and the Apple Safari team on how to "mobilize" WebCore/KHTML and JavaScriptCore/KJS to create the best Web browser based on open-source components for mobile devices.

Best regards,

Roland Geisler
Head of Marketing & Strategy, Series 60 Browser
Nok

Here is an email from Roland Geisler at Nokia that was posted on the Safari Web Kit mailing list (more info at http://webkit.opendarwin.org/contact.html)

From: roland geisler
Subject: [webkit-dev] Greetings from the Series 60 mobile browser team at Nokia
Date: June 13, 2005 2:52:33 PM PDT

RE: Recent press release: http://press.nokia.com/PR/200506/998214_5.html

Hi,

I'm heading marketing and strategy at Nokia for Series 60's new mobile browser that will be built upon WebCore/KHTML and JavaScriptCore/KJS. I am writing you this email to thank you for having built the Konqueror and Safari browser with the two components WebCore/KHTML and JavaScriptCore/KJS. I would like to introduce myself and some members from our core development team, and explain why we at Nokia have selected your code base for our future Series 60 mobile browser. I also hope that this will start a mutual dialogue among us that will support all of our projects in the future.

Not all of you might be familiar with Series 60. Series 60 is a smart phone software platform developed by Nokia, which enables feature rich applications on mobile devices. Series 60 is based on the Symbian OS and is written in C++. More information can be found from http://www.forum.nokia.com/
and http://www.series60.com/.

I copied some of our core development team members on this email so you have their names and contact information. Antti Koivisto, whom you might know already, is one of the co-authors of KHTML and has been working for Nokia Research Center for the past few years and recently joined our mobile browser development team in Boston. David Carson and Deepika Chauhan are two of the original developers of the Nokia mobile browser. Zalan Bujtas, Prabhakar Marnadi, Yongjun Zhang and Sachin Padma have been working with mobile browsers for some years at Nokia in Helsinki and Boston. Keith Hollis has several years experience working with mobile browsers and has recently joined our team in Boston, earlier he was the principal person leading the port of the Opera web browser to the Symbian OS at Opera Software. Guido Grassel, Kimmo Kinnunen and Andrei Popescu are working at our Nokia Research Center in Helsinki (http://www.nokia.com/research/) where we have built the GTK port of Apple's WebCore that we released last year - http://gtk-webcore.sourceforge.net/.

The high performance, low memory consumption and small code footprint of KHTML and KJS make these components ideal for resource-constrained mobile devices. Clean architecture and good design create a good base for future development of mobile features. In addition, Web compliance was another important criteria for us. Congratulations to the KDE Konqueror developer team for building such a great browser.

Big thanks at this point also go to the Apple Safari team that has tremendously improved KHTML and KJS in many areas, in particular in Web compliance and performance. WebCore and JavaScriptCore also offer a cleaner separation to the underlying operating system. For these reasons we at Nokia chose WebCore and JavaScriptCore as the code base for our Series 60 mobile browser.

Our plan is that the new Series 60 mobile browser will be available as a standard Series 60 application during the first half of 2006.

We at Nokia are excited to use WebCore/KHTML and JavaScriptCore/KJS for our future Series 60 mobile browser. I hope that we can start a dialogue with your community and the Apple Safari team on how to "mobilize" WebCore/KHTML and JavaScriptCore/KJS to create the best Web browser based on open-source components for mobile devices.

Best regards,

Roland Geisler
Head of Marketing & Strategy, Series 60 Browser
Nok

Sure, that's nice and all. But in the mean time, Nokia only provides its software for MS Windows http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,,72014,00.html

Simalarly, drivers for their connectivity cables are Windows only :(
Can't sync my current Nokia phone on my Powerbook. The same goes for the next Nokia model i was eyeing. In fact, for that very reason I haven't bought it yet. Sorry Nokia.

I upgraded to Tiger so iSync isn't the issue anymore. The Nokia software allows you to convert MP3s to "true tones" and also allows you to use the Nokia LifeBlog software. I am using the PicoBlogger as a moblog solution but have not found a way to convert MP3s. These may seem like silly needs but it would be nice to have the option. Its part of my overall experience with my phone.

Overall, I am thrilled. I dumped Verizon Wireless because of their phone crippling tendencies and dumped my Treo for my 6620. I am very happy with my choice.

Do you think a console manufacturer is ever going to embrace homwbrew software, or will they always do their best to stop it?

While not really a console, there is the Nokia 770 Linux tablet discussed on Slashdot last week. The SDK is a free download and the device has a well documented developers site. Also, at $350 USD is seems reasonably priced too.

You can get a keyboard for most new nokia phones:
http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,,58982,00.html

FYI/
Nokia's new 770 Tablet - Debian Linux, X, Gnome, Opera, 802.11g, Bluetooth 1.2, 800x400 widescreen, handheld form factor - supposed to go on sale for US$ 350 within 4 months. (No phone included.)

Nokia's site for open-source components for the 770: Maemo.org has Linux sources and application development resources.

Developer's FAQ PDF here

FYI/
Nokia's new 770 Tablet - Debian Linux, X, Gnome, Opera, 802.11g, Bluetooth 1.2, 800x400 widescreen, handheld form factor - supposed to go on sale for US$ 350 within 4 months. (No phone included.)

Nokia's site for open-source components for the 770: Maemo.org has Linux sources and application development resources.

Developer's FAQ PDF here

yet to rtfa

If you did rtfa, you would see this: Nokia, therefore, issues the legally binding Patent Statement, which has been posted on its website at www.nokia.com/iprstatements.

... which, in turn, says this: Nokia hereby commits not to assert any of its Patents (as defined herein below) against any Linux Kernel (as defined herein below) existing as of 25 May 2005.

So it is irrevocable, but only covers the kernel as of today.

This doesn't apply to all GPL'd programs everywhere, but only to the GPL'd program which they distribute, and only if it includes the particular patent in question. That is, if they distribute the kernel, but not kde, they can't enforce the patent against the kernel, but could enforce the same patent against kde (assuming that kde violated the same hypothetical patent).

The pertinent portion of the GPL says:

For example, if a patent license would not permit royalty-free redistribution of the Program by all those who receive copies directly or indirectly through you, then the only way you could satisfy both it and this License would be to refrain entirely from distribution of the Program.

In fact, if Nokia distributes the kernel but little else that is GPL'd, I think we've found the reason for this peculiar action. I'll bet that the kernel they distribute comes from a source which is best described like this:

"Linux Kernel" means any version of the Linux kernel which (i) is released as "stable version", (ii) is licensed under the "GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE Version 2, June 1991 for the Linux operating system" and (iii) has been published by the Kernel.org Organization, Inc on its Linux Kernel Archive website at www.kernel.org.

From Nokia's IP statement:

Nokia hereby commits not to assert any of its Patents (as defined herein below) against any Linux Kernel (as defined herein below) existing as of 25 May 2005.

As I said in another post, what we need from any company which wants to be ``Linux friendly'' is irrevokable permission to use their patents in any GPL'd software. This isn't close to that, it isn't much, and it really isn't even a good start, but it's more than they had to do, and we should thank them nicely and go back to ignoring them.

I think that's not quite true. I think that Nokia has declared that all current infringements are ok, but future infringements are going to be looked at case by case, with the expectation (no guarantees!) that they'll be ok'd.

They lead off with:

Nokia hereby commits not to assert any of its Patents (as defined herein below) against any Linux Kernel (as defined herein below) existing as of 25 May 2005.

This is a long way from what we need, which is a non-revokable license for use in all GPL'd software. Still, the little they are giving us is non-revokable (I think), and it's more than they had to give us.

... neither Linus or anybody else should touch it ...

There's really not much to touch. It boils down to: ``We won't sue Linus for anything he's done so far.'' There's no requirement for Linus (or anybody else) to reciprocate in any way.

According to the article, "The Patent Statement applies to Nokia's patents infringed by current official releases of the Linux Kernel..."

I'm personally wondering which patents they claim were being infringed upon. Are there legitimate patent concerns, or is this Nokia trying to position themselves for something else? Neither the liked article or the press release (http://www.nokia.com/iprstatements) mention any specific patents.

I need pills for my headache after looking at the device.

Have a look at this picture of the unit - you need a magnifying class to read the web pages.

• http://press.nokia.com/PR/199908/776321_5.html
• http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=7 86
• http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/newss/977/1 /screenshot698/

• http://press.nokia.com/PR/200009/790116_5.html
• http://slashdot.org/articles/01/01/18/0327252.shtm l
• http://slashdot.org/articles/01/05/16/1330236.shtm l

• http://press.nokia.com/PR/199908/776321_5.html
• http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=7 86
• http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/newss/977/1 /screenshot698/

• http://press.nokia.com/PR/200009/790116_5.html
• http://slashdot.org/articles/01/01/18/0327252.shtm l
• http://slashdot.org/articles/01/05/16/1330236.shtm l