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First Picture of new Motorola iTunes Phone?
swissfondue writes "macprime.ch. is reporting a link to a pdf presentation by Motorola's North Asia manager Michael Tatelman, VP and GM Mobile devices, made on 21 June 2005 to analysts of Morgan Stanley in Beijing.
Page 15 of the presentation shows a picture of a yet unknown Motorola phone playing iTunes visualizer, with the usual Apple logo.
The silhouette of the phone is not in RAZR style, but in PEBL. It seems to also be featuring a scroll wheel."
if you get put on hold you can listen to your own music instead of theirs?
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I dont mind people talking and listening to music while driving. I just wish I could watch TV... or maybe it would be better to read /. while driving. Yes insurance indeed.
Perhaps this is Apple's answer to people saying cell phones are poised to serve as MP3 players and music downloading devices. Since Apple isn't in the mobile phone business, this might be a way to get their brand name out there even more and to keep some of their market dominance.
...but the carriers won't sell it because they all want the content piece of the revenue stream. They're convinced that they can get you to buy into a plan that has you downloading songs from their service, while they charge you airtime for browsing and downloading, on top of the price per song.
No thanks.
"I will never combine an iPod with a cell phone" - Steve Jobs.
"There will never be unions in my plants" - Henry Ford.
Didn't Bill Gates predict the fall of the iPod with an MP3-enabled phone?
Looks like Apple is going to beat them to the punch once again.
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Engadget reported the same thing yesterday with a pic and it's even in English.
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That's a shitty looking phone that someone cut and pasted a screenshot onto in photoshop for a corporate presentation.
It's scary that this is all it takes to get a mac rumour going.
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Wait, how do I dial a phone that only has one butan?
at least 3 truck bateries by your side.
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Or you'll just be able to phone 2 minutes and listen to 1 mp3
I thought they did not want to do that because full songs are currently charged $1 on itune and shitty excerpts are currently being charged >$3 on cell phones...
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It's also on AppleInsider.
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So... in other words it's... a rotary phone?
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In the middle of the presentation there's a slide titled "Changing the Game in Candy Bars" with some cool phones in the background.
These are some really hot products. I wish I had these guys on-board last time I did a demo to a client! But I wonder if cell phones are the new candy bars for geeks?
Candy bars, I would guess, are a fairly stable commodity. A Mars bar last year is going to be the same as this year. Eye candy, sure, but not candy bars.
Will all that consumer production value, it makes you wonder how much these companies actually pay product designers to keep new stuff churning out. There's got to be a lot of money in that business. Everybody's getting into it.
Love Boat Meets Santa's Workshop?
All it might be is a phone with a circle drawn and a vis from iTunes slapped onto the screen. Also notice the placement on the keypad, it lacks numbers and also the placement of the wheel might hinder the use of the keys.
"The configurations and remaining data of the mobile phone only this picture and no data are just as unclear are present there."
Just thinking of running my fingers around that 'continuous radii' gets my intellectual juices flowing! Actually, it's the same shape as Apple's optical mouse ... curious ...
The whole thing looks a bit so-so to me. Did St. Ive have a hand in the product design?
"Purity with a purpose - and profits" Hell, yes! I don't see why a mobile run off of an iTunes-like interface that sports similar controls shouldn't work brilliantly ... but the devil is in the deets ... it's the software/hardware integration that will sell me on the device more than the swish swoop of the product itself.
I know I, my family, and many of my friends, do not need these super tricked out phones. We do not need games, dozens of ringtones, video playback, cameras, or mp3 players in our phones.
/me grumbles
All we need is a very basic phone, that has a phone book, maybe voice activated dialing, and voicemail.
It is getting pretty difficult to find basic cell phones as it is. All the vendors try to press all these phones with extra features that I will never use. Damnit, I dont need my phone to be able to play mp3s.
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Does no one at Motorola have spell check turned on?
Apple fanboi, my ass! Where's his iPod?
What I'm listening to now on Pandora...
...linking a 6+MB PDF directly. Then posting on the homepage.
:P
Really, have some compassion Slashdot.
Great. Now people will be able to talk and listen to music while driving....
I've always been able to talk while driving. Listening to music isn't that difficult to, just turn on the car stereo.
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Considering the presentation didn't focus on that at all, or bring any attention to it, I might even believe this is a hoax.
It's scary that this is all it takes to get a mac rumour going.
Sadly, this is actually more evidence than usual for a mac rumor.
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It has wireless and more space than a nomad!
Now they actually have to superimpose them on top of each other (note how the scroll pad intersects the number keys)- Don't these designers understand that this is a horrible design?
It's so obvious what to do: The scroll wheel is great for picking songs and numbers to call out of the address book- For numbers, just use voice recognition: Having a recognizer just for digits works fantastically already- Heck, they wouldn't even have to do the recognition in the handset, but use a central server to handle that part, if it requires too many computrons!
For crissakes, the whole point of the scroll pad is that it is a versatile input device- The scroll pad is all you need!
Apple will most certainly demand that it work seamlessly with iTunes, which should make file transfers a breeze. That would be the last worry I'd have with this product.
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Like, awesome presentation, dude! I mean, like, wow!
(That's the worst presentation I've ever seen, and I too work in a corp.)
It's official. Most of you are morons.
Reading through those other slides, this presentation is like something from another world. Slides with "WOW!" and "YIKES!" on them in huge letters -- when did Motorola slip into the Comic Book dimension?
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While the PR from Motorola on this makes it look like nothing but hype for Motorola, it would be an interesting concept to take a stab at. However, M$ plans on making phones that will kill off the iPod, and while I don't think this will happen, a good enough media phone could kill the Shuffle. If Apple plays this right, they could outdate their own shuffle with an enhanced capacity iTunes phone, and destroy Micro$oft's dream at the same time.
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Does it accept Morse code? :)
Ya know, when I see incredibly dumb Apple topics like this one, this article immediately springs to mind:
iProduct.
Or for that matter, just turn on the $300 ipod you already bought.
Look closely though at the two handsets and they are both a very similar layout, apart from the "rotator blob" on the new picture which seems to clash with the keypad.
The "E790" pictured is basically the E390/E398 platform that has been remixed onto several different handsets already.
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Yah, when work switched carriers they had to switch phones, so we all got these fancy LG phones to replace our old dumb B&W nokia bars. So now:
Battery life sucks, it's less than half... I had to get a charger for my desk because if I forgot to charge it overnight one day the chance of running it flat before I got home was too high.
I can't read the display outside. Color displays for cellphones are just plain wasteful.
The Nokia had three dumb games on it (snake was one, i forget the others). They were great for keeping kids/teens amused, and the battery life was good enough they didn't run it down from ten minutes waiting in line. The LG has some kind of game rental function but the rest of the phone is so messed up there's no way I'm going to activate that.
Here is a Link to a screenshot of page 15 w/ a photo of the phone.
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Delete the apple logo and that slide of the presentation still makes sense within the "next gen phone" context. I can't imagine that doing a deal with apple wouldn't be played a lot mroe strongly in front of financial people. That's why I'm thinking possible hoax.
Now, I haven't read the PDF (it keeps 404ing), but how does the phone exactly work? Is it basically a mobile version of your iTunes service? Does it also allow you to hook the phone up to your iPod and transfer your purchased music to it? Even though I do not own an iPod (or cellphone) that would be an awesome idea. Listen to your music on the go AND buy it and transfer to your iPod while away from the computer.
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Clearly someone drew a green circle over the picture of a real phone...if you look closely, you can see the outline of a standard keypad & some sort of joystick-style control through the fake scroll wheel.
Any guesses on which existing Motorola phone was photoshopped for that stupid fake picture? I think it sorta looks like an E1000.
In other news, the "SLVR" looks pretty cool. Anyone know the ETA for that thing?
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Just once I'd like someone to call me 'Sir' without adding 'You're making a scene.'
There are just as many people on both sides of the fence. While I would never accept the low quality of a cell-phone camera I would not mind it keeping notes, emails, or playing music.
Why?
Because I don't need 2 or more devices with me at all times that I need to lug around. Worse on trips each manufacturer seems intent on using their own AC adapter.
Last trip I took was just with the cell phone, iPod, and a digital camera. Now as before I do not want the junk cameras they are using but I could have done well without two separate adaptors, and that includes carrying a pair for "car use" only.
The only outstanding issues are size and battery life. A flash based mp3 player would be fine as well as handle the misuse that phones commoningly get. A HDD based one is asking for trouble.
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Seriously guys, do u will buy this phone? who needs to buy music in iTunes Store? music with restrictions... no thanks! Anyway, ok, you like to buy music (no matter of DRM o formats). so... your are in the street and thinks "ohhh this girl is like Britney, I will buy a Britney song now with my ubber-cool cellphone right now, I can't wait to go to my home and use my PC!!!"
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Does anyone else here think that Motorola phones are crap? I've known them to have very poor reliability and awful reception to boot.
Many stories abound about people exchanging their Motorola phone multiple times, and it seems like if there's one person in the room with no service, they're sporting a Motorola.
Hold on there, they might have patent on "drive & talk".
...what in the hell is a RAZR or a PEBL?
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We had to move it due to missing akamai :)
and hopefully syncing will work over bluetooth, if you don't mind the wait. As it stands now my Motorola V710 can't sync files over bluetooth because Verizon has crippled it (we think, there is an ongoing lawsuit over this.) I can at least sync the contacts and datebook with my powermac via isync which is better than the people stuck with windows can do at the moment.
notice the difference? PEBL looks more like a traditional phone than the RAZR StarTREK communicator .but. PEBL is without any signposts from the past.
No buttons, no dials... PEBL isn't built on the communicator paradigm. US Supreme Court ruled yesterday that the Internet is not a "communications carrier" subject to FCC regs but instead an "information carrier".
PEBL looks like it skirts the babyBells battle for button pushers, entirely. PEBL will be defined by its software functions and information *abilities* in the vein of RIM's Blackberry. Like Blackberry it will also have a phone but not nearly the quality or functionality of phone as offered by the mainstream Bells.
Just because it supports iTunes and comes with an Apple logo doesn't mean it'll be as good as an iPod. And btw, Motorola has the shittiest & clunkiest user interfaces among all major cellphone manufactureres.
For a better example, check out Samsung's SGH-i300, a tri-band GSM bar phone that comes with a 3GB 1-inch HDD, a 1.3MP Camera and looks much better that this Motorola presentative piece. Oh, and it comes with Windows Mobile.
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One... on the AC adapter front: most devices have a USB charge cable available, and you can get auto- and wall-wart adapters now with a "power-only" USB connector in them. You can also get a wall-wart with an auto cigarette lighter socket in it, and use the car adapters only.
Two... my experience with fancy phones and PDAs with MP3 players in them is that because the MP3 player sucks down power for extended periods you're much more likely to have a music player device that's "too low to use" than any other bit of personal kit. When that just means you can't listen to music, that's OK. When that means you can't use your phone, it's not.
I could see a camera in a phone more than an mp3 player in a phone, because a camera doesn't get left on for hours.
Pretty much. I work at Motorola. Awhile ago they had a little internal contest asking us to come up with any cool 4 letter names. Never heard if that one yielded any fruit. I'm sure the marketing flacks are racking their brains.
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This looks like the X-box phone, not the I-tunes phone. There's no way this is real.
I know I, my family, and many of my friends, do not need these super tricked out computers. We do not need games, high quality audio, video playback, cameras and image support, or mp3 players in our computers.
Absolutely. Luckily for you and your family older computers still work just as well as they ever did, because unlike cellphones they haven't been obsoleted by new protocols, incompatible battery packs, and carrier lock-outs.
In addition, there are hundreds of models of specialised computers you can buy that just do one thing well. As well as the handheld or set-top game computers and music players, these include the stand-alone email stations and word processors you're loking for. You can buy them in most large office supply stores, and I've even seen them on sale in pharmacies and grocery stores, from companies like Brother and Pocketmail.
(as in, if a full-on computer is bloated to you, you can save time and money and buy just the features you want... and these gadgets have been on the market since long before you could play MP3s or video on computers. Just because there's a market for feature-ridden phones doesn't mean there's no place for simple ones either)
Now that's funny.. A joke is corny and marked down. The reply misunderstands the joke and is marked as funny...
If you do more digging online, you can find the PEBL phone... it's going to be a clamshell. Google for it.
There is an issue you haven't thought about: Department Of Defense stuff. I cannot have a camera on my phone, but would LOVE to have an iPod on it. And there are many many in my position (Anyone who lives/works on a base).
Personalization. It's a beautiful thing. Unless you choose cp/m. Then you need to be put down.
They're pulling the same shit that Ma Bell did of charging $300 + monthly blood letting for a crappy modem back in the mid eighties. And you had to jump through hoops to get one.
Ask 'em why and its "because we can"
I for one don't miss Ma Bell.
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As iTunes 4.9 is already iPhone enabled, will the phone sync only over cable or also wireless? If BT, could this potentially allow tunes sharing with other phones or computers? Clearly the networks would disallow any tunes sending. So do you think it will be drm'd somehow?
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The marketing flacks must have weak brains.
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an open source open framework for puttting together a phone you actually want (instead of having to put up with features you don't)
The hardware would have to be modular (thin substrate ICs form the components) and you could have the gust in a range of hand sets.
Somebody should work on that...
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Quit whining.
Here's the answer: No.
If you just look at the damn pics you can plainly see they're hacked together images with a purpose similar to concept car drawings. It looks like they pasted a semitransparent clickwheel and LCD display images onto an image of an existing phone as if to say "here's what it might look like, should we make it?" You can even see the damn buttons on the phone through the touchwheel.
Don't get all excited, the thing isn't even vaporware yet.
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What if someone starts selling completely customizable cellphones, on a direct order web site similar to Dell?
To do this right, you'd want to offer contracts with any of your choice of pretty much all the available carriers for your given area though - which might prove to be tough to arrange.
But even if they had to settle for new phones you bought straight out with no service contract, at least they wouldn't be "chipped" to only work on a particular carrier's network - so people might still buy them.
Offer, say, 2 or 3 basic "skeletons" of cellphones, like a flip style and a "candy bar" style, and then let people buy options like "Add camera: $39" until they have exactly what they'd like.
Here's the mirrordot copy of the PDF, which has since dissapeared from the official site.
So there isn't such a thing as 'iTunes phone'. The software can be theoretically put into any phone with adequate hardware capabilities. Of course that is only relevant if you have a way to upgrade firmware.
Phoney.
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It's on motorola's website...
Yes indeedy. Burn through your mobile phone battery power by running a visualiser whilst playing songs? I think not. The iPod doesn't have a visualiser, why would the phone? iTunes has the visualiser. They'd be doing pretty well to port the visuliser to the phone!! The visualiser part at least must be fake.
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It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.