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One of the major week points in Linux is a like of a good groupware application that can compete with Exchange. I just got a copy of Novell's Linux Technical Resource Kit which is a set of free DVDs of some of Novell's Linux products.

I'm looking forward to trying out GroupWise. I was always a fan of it and a Linux based version could bring a good groupware solution to the SOHO market.

You can't say they aren't trying. They certainly got my attention recently, and I never paid any attention to them before. I signed up for a free "Linux Technical Resource Kit", from them. It includes, quoting them:

This comprehensive Novell Linux collection includes the following on 3 DVDs (10 GB):

- SUSE Linux Professional 9.1 (Bootable Installation DVD)
- SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 8 (ISO Installation Images)
- SUSE Linux Professional 8.2 (Installation ISO images for use with Ximiam Desktop)
- Ximian Desktop 2.0 Evaluation (ISO Image)
- Red Carpet 2.0.2 Evaluation (ISO Image)
- GroupWise for Linux 6.5.1 - Server, Client & Messenger (ISO Images)
- Novell Nterprise Linux Services 1.0 (ISO Image & NLS Companion CD)
- And more...

I look forward to trying out SUSE Enterprise Server 8, as I am / was considering moving to Fedora. Sorry, if you're interested, they aren't offering it anymore. Link Here

Maybe it's because they acquired SUSE?

Great. Another America hater who's ignoring American companies that support and defend Open Source, American companies whose name is n with Linux and free downloads of Linux, and an American company who has been mailing free of charge 10 gigs of their Open Source software. Yeah buddy, it's all of those bad old American companies.

Here's a free linux kit from SuSe... http://www.novell.com/community/linux/order.php

...or get a free one from Novell... ...or download the ISO and almost upgrade to pro without having to wait for the mail... :)

Google's first match on "IBM Novell investment": http://www.novell.com/news/press/archive/2004/03/p r04029.html

(goddamned errant mouse-clicks...)

Anyway, here's the link for Connector.

Also, isn't Active Directory just LDAP with a bunch of MS-specific shit thrown on? Supposedly Evolution supports LDAP lookups, but I don't yet use that (and from what I've read, it isn't yet well integrated).

I use Evolution and I like it quite a bit. I haven't used the Connector because I don't need it, but Novell recently released it as free and Open Source (as opposed to the previous pay-for licensing).

a 100% standards complient...

People who ask for this generally don't know the standards in question very well. Most standards is a hodge-podge of wish list features; the question is what subset are we going to support.

That said, PNG alpha transparenty and being able to render this page correctly would be nice.

sending of HTML email off by default in Outlook

Most email users prefer html email over text email. Probably because normal text looks ugly (I hate the courier font) in Windoze. Heck, even Evolution has support to HTML email. Yes, images is a privacy concern, but most users like seeing real smileys in their email.

changes to how Internet Explorer handles MIME types to ignore the extention and content of the file and to treat what the server or email message says the MIME type is as gosepel. If there is none, fallback on file extentions and stuff. Also, enhance windows handling so that mime types can be associated with different handlers. (this eliminates any need to use the file extention to determine what handler to use for it)

This is an ease-of-use issue; I don't like it myself, but can see why Microsoft doesn't expect an average person with a personal web page to deal with /etc/mime.types in oder to get their web page to look nice. But, yes, I hate going to a web page in Mozilla and seeing a bunch of HTML tages instead of the rendered page.

Most UNIX web servers are broken that, when the MIME type is unknown, they send out text/plain instead of something like application/unknown or what not.

- Sam

Why is this marked offtopic? I think it's pretty germane to the topic, myself. The whole point of these "you can get this free," "this has been open sourced" announcements from Novell is to generate buzz around the company by making them seem friendly to open source. I've heard a lot about them open sourcing YaST, though, and I can't find it anywhere. There's no obvious download on Novell's site. It's not on forge.novell.com, their open source site. It's not on Sourceforge. And the top Google search for YaST reveals this page, where the crux of the message seems to be "Only SUSE has YaST."

I keep hearing about open source YaST. So where is it already? And, more to the point, I'm kind of waiting for Novell's open source/Linux strategy to be more than just talk. Right now it seems to be business as usual at the OSS divisions, and business as usual at Novell. Are the two sides going to meet?

East your ChickieNobs!

I've also asked about this before in the irc.freenode.net/#suse. It seems that it's GPLed, but its development is not free (i.e. in novell forge). That's the trick.

I'd love it being in novell/source-forge, I hope that with time its development will go free. In fact, anyone can already get the YAST2 source code from the ftp mirrors and start a new branch. I wouldn't be surprised if a new distro adapt yast and make it, for example, a bit less fat and slow :-).

Novell order form

That's a Novell Linux ad, I might note, if that lends any more credibility to the omen. ;-)

(My favorite Novell Linux ad has got to be the one about Worm: What a butterfly really is without the pretty wings. [you can see the MSN butterfly in the background just after all the servers crash in the ad.])

Dude, it was a joke.

Here, I'll explain it to you: Novell used to have this flagship product called NetWare Directory Services [NDS]. Then Novell Marketing renamed it to Novell Directory Services [still NDS]. Then Novell Marketing renamed it to eDirectory [no longer "NDS," and with no apparent acronym]. Then they renamed the whole shebang to "Ngage, exteNd, Nsure, and Nterprise". No one has a clue what any of those things mean. By the way, this is the home page for Ngage.

So here's the joke: Novell, proud new owners of Ximian and SuSE, and brave, stalwart defenders of the System V trademark against the diabolical Santa Cruz Operation, is the object of Linux fanboy passion [albeit fleeting] the world over, and, as above, their flagship product has been renamed "Ngage" [in a move that nobody understands]. The great-grandparent post was about a product called "N-Gage," but of course none of the /. Linux fanboys thought of Novell when they heard the term "N-Gage" - instead they thought immediately of Nokia.

Well, like I said, that's the joke. I guess you'd have to be an old MCNE/MCNI like me to have gotten it, but that's okay: Goodness knows there aren't many of us left any more, so you young whippersnappers are forgiven. Enjoy your blissful ignorance while you can, and then watch Novell Marketing drive yet another industry leading product into utter oblivion and irrelevance.

Dude, it was a joke.

Here, I'll explain it to you: Novell used to have this flagship product called NetWare Directory Services [NDS]. Then Novell Marketing renamed it to Novell Directory Services [still NDS]. Then Novell Marketing renamed it to eDirectory [no longer "NDS," and with no apparent acronym]. Then they renamed the whole shebang to "Ngage, exteNd, Nsure, and Nterprise". No one has a clue what any of those things mean. By the way, this is the home page for Ngage.

So here's the joke: Novell, proud new owners of Ximian and SuSE, and brave, stalwart defenders of the System V trademark against the diabolical Santa Cruz Operation, is the object of Linux fanboy passion [albeit fleeting] the world over, and, as above, their flagship product has been renamed "Ngage" [in a move that nobody understands]. The great-grandparent post was about a product called "N-Gage," but of course none of the /. Linux fanboys thought of Novell when they heard the term "N-Gage" - instead they thought immediately of Nokia.

Well, like I said, that's the joke. I guess you'd have to be an old MCNE/MCNI like me to have gotten it, but that's okay: Goodness knows there aren't many of us left any more, so you young whippersnappers are forgiven. Enjoy your blissful ignorance while you can, and then watch Novell Marketing drive yet another industry leading product into utter oblivion and irrelevance.

Sometimes you just get the feeling that Novell marketing couldn't market their way out of a paper bag if you gave them a pair of scissors.

There is actually a much more interesting press release on the Novell website about NetWare and McDonald's Brazil. It is unclear whether or not Germany was running SCO Unix on the servers before the switch to Linux, but SCO is apparently not a worldwide McDonald's affiliate, as McDonald's Brazil has been running NetWare for 15 years. This article also gives much more information about the IT infrastructure of McDonald's, since the slashdot article just made me think "How many DNS, FTP, and Proxy servers can McDonald's Germany possibly have?". McDonald's Brazil, which is about the same size as McDonald's Germany, has 6 giant servers in different locations accross the country, and each one has a huge database for all of the information of each restaurant, plus the administrative information. You have to remember that a lot of the IT related stuff is for McDonald's huge corperate staff, not the people taking your order. The other interesting thing is that McDonald's is completely centralized, so if a server failure occurs, and the in-store machines can't connect with a central database, they apparently can't take orders or give receipts out at the actual restaurants.

I don't know if Linus would pronounce SuSE correctly, but you could listen to the press conference Novell and SuSE held, where I think Richard Seibt (former CEO of SuSE) pronounces SuSE several times:

press conference: Novell to Acquire SUSE LINUX

Although it's for 9.0 and I'm not sure it duplicates the retail manuals, Novell has User and Admin guides (plus other SUSE-related pdfs) available here

Ummmm, yea. Mozilla (Windows and Linux), Evolution (Linux), Eudora (Mac). Need I go on?

See also: Novell

This is not very useful as it is only tracking the images that are being loaded when the email is being viewed. However, most email clients now block these inline images from being loaded so this software will not function. In text based email clients it also will not function at all. These features have already been included in such email clients as evolution.

Some of the other ones are good too!

Some of the other ones are good too!

And it's even cheaper from Novell!

If only there were some large organisations who'd stand up for Linux when this kind of crap came out. That's the trouble with having no shareholders - no-one to start litigation.

In his case, all 300 servers would have to match the system requirements laid out by Novell. That may not be an easy task. And maybe it would be nessesary to use both NDS and something like OpenLDAP+Kerberos.

What I was basically getting at was the fact LDAP and/or Kerberos were the technologies that would overcome his problems, regardless of who the vendor of said technologies are. Hell, you could use Microsoft Active Directory to solve his problems (although I don't think it'd be worth deploying dozens of Windows servers to just act as authentication servers to the UNIX machines, which would have to proxy the authentication to any client machines).

I am excited about this quiet release. First, it opens up the possibility of compiling Novell's OSS iFolder on Mac OS X. Second, 60% of the computers in my company run Mac OS X, allowing for greater compatability between the remaining 40%. Third (and relating to the first), there was a recent evaluation of deploying iFolder company-wide, and the missing Mac OS X support was a critical issue. Now, the chances of the deployment happening have increased with the relase of Mono for Mac OS X. This should be great news for Apple fans.

Or use their GPL'ed products and send them bug reports and/or patches as you are able to. I personally can't wait to try out ifolder which is FOSS and has a plugin for nautilus and gnome. It might be the next samba. It's being written in C#/mono and is still in beta I think (for linux). Here is a flash intro.

Or use their GPL'ed products and send them bug reports and/or patches as you are able to. I personally can't wait to try out ifolder which is FOSS and has a plugin for nautilus and gnome. It might be the next samba. It's being written in C#/mono and is still in beta I think (for linux). Here is a flash intro.

Not open source, but what about GroupWise. It would at least allow you to get away from Exchange, and integrated connectivity to GroupWise is scheduled for Evolution 2.0 (Q3 2004, currently available as development snapshot). Plus, you'll get the support of a Linux company.

Ok, ok, so it's not a solution right now, but coming soon to a theater near you...

http://www.novell.com/products/groupwise/

Groupwise does the trick. I might not fall in your definition of affordable though...

Because the thing is that Novell is selling linux, and in fact owns SUSE and Ximian, and as a result are bound by the terms of the GPL.

The neat thing about the GPL is its seemingly foolproof method of making sure everyone plays fair: they make it in everyone's interests to play fair, by making everyone not just borrow from everyone else, but depend on everyone else.

For example, let's say a company releases a piece of software under the GPL, then the next day decides to recant and announces that no, we changed our mind, it wasn't GPLed after all. If the company never sold anyone a copy, just put it up for download on a website, well then, who's to disagree with them? If someone had given them money for it that could be construed as having some sort of contractual validity, and the license that they included when they originally distributed the license irrevocable. But if it was just a free download, and the license included with the download as a written offer... well that's kind of fuzzier, isn't it? It would seem the company couldn't "go back" on their license offer, but the company could claim all kinds of things. They could claim the release was "unauthorized", or not intended for public release outside the company, or there were mitigating copyright and contractual cirucmstances the company was not aware of at the time doctrine of mutual mistake blah blah blah. And if this were the BSD license, that's where things would end.

But the GPL, among doing other things, adds an interesting wrinkle to things by legally intertwining to a certain extent everyone who cooperates using it. If someone releases some code they own under the GPL, they still own it and can do whatever they like with that code outside the context of the GPLed product However if someone is distributing or redistributing a product containing someone else's GPL code-- anyone's-- then they suddenly find themselves with a small and reasonable, but important, set of obligations.

So, here's another hypothetical example. Let's say Novell announces they own lines 5000-5435 of the linux kernel; that those lines were stolen from NetWare by a disgruntled employee who then submitted them to Linux as his own work at some point; that they have indisputable proof of this; and they further announce that anyone who wants to sell linux owes them $699 a copy for Novell's 435 lines of code there.

The problem here is that they can't do that; the instant Novell points out those 435 lines of code are unlicensed, distributing Linux becomes illegal, period. The reason for this is that the GPL says that in order to distribute under the GPL, you must be able to offer to anyone who you distribute it to an unlimited GPL license themselves, which includes the right to freely redistribute and modify. If you don't have the rights to distribute Linux under the GPL, you certainly don't have the right to distribute Linux by any other mechanism. And if you have to pay $699 to distribute the Linux kernel, then you don't have the right to distribute it under the GPL. The rest of Linux, everything except those 435 lines, is still GPLed and freely distributable; but the whole package, or any package that contains those 435 non-Free lines linked against GPL code, is something nobody-- including Novell-- has the right to distribute at all until those lines are removed or replaced.

So, Novell currently lacks the ability to attack Linux in this fashion without losing the right to sell Linux in the process-- which would be a major problem for them since they currently have a decent amount riding on their Linux-based products. And the really fun thing is, if Novell does as SCO did after raising their apparently fraudulent claims against Linux, and continues to distribute Linux even after they make the public claim that they own code in Linux that they never gave Linux a license to, then one of

Novell, you had a good run. We shall miss you.

Novell's behind Suse, Ximian, and Mono.

I don't think they'll be going away just yet...

But not zero. And the commercial support is two-fold:

• development of the Apache code base,
• installation, customization and maintenance for users.

Sure, customers love high performing, reliable, more secure software such as Apache. And, if they have someone with some expertise with a few hours to spare once in a while, then they can maintain their own web sites cost effectively without ever cutting a check to anyone outside the company. And the effort required to support Apache may be lower than the competition in many situations. But it's still not zero. While the company can download and run Apache without ever contributing any code tot he project, code still had to be written and still needs to be maintained.

The Apache Foundation includes members of several commercial concerns. That commercial support of the open source project has probably helped immeasureably in making Apache better.

Also, for businesses and other users that would like to contract out Apache support there are vendors (eg, Covalent, IBM, HP, Red Hat, Novell/SuSE, ...) that will provide it.

First, you have to obtain a copy of GAY NIGGERS FROM OUTER SPACE THE MOVIE and watch it.

Second, you need to succeed in posting a GNAA "first post" on slashdot.org, a popular "news for trolls" website

Third, you need to join the official GNAA irc channel #GNAA on EFNet, and apply for membership.
Talk to one of the ops or any of the other members in the channel to sign up today!

If you are having trouble locating #GNAA, the official GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA irc channel, you might be on a wrong irc network. The correct network is

I know this is going to sound silly, but I read the title as "The Novell as Software"! Did anyone else make that mental typo, or "mypo"?

There is a free packet scan nlm file that you can run on Novell NetWare. The file dumps can be read with Ethereal.
Guidelines to Take a Packet Trace
Packetscan - NetWare packet capture tool
How to use Ethereal to capture a packet trace
How to configure a capture filter for Ethereal

There is a free packet scan nlm file that you can run on Novell NetWare. The file dumps can be read with Ethereal.
Guidelines to Take a Packet Trace
Packetscan - NetWare packet capture tool
How to use Ethereal to capture a packet trace
How to configure a capture filter for Ethereal

There is a free packet scan nlm file that you can run on Novell NetWare. The file dumps can be read with Ethereal.
Guidelines to Take a Packet Trace
Packetscan - NetWare packet capture tool
How to use Ethereal to capture a packet trace
How to configure a capture filter for Ethereal

There is a free packet scan nlm file that you can run on Novell NetWare. The file dumps can be read with Ethereal.
Guidelines to Take a Packet Trace
Packetscan - NetWare packet capture tool
How to use Ethereal to capture a packet trace
How to configure a capture filter for Ethereal

While it looks interesting, the project is labeled as pre-alpha -- not ready for production use.

However there are increasing signs that various contributers, most notably Novell at the moment, are looking to contribute things to GNOME core that are written in higher level languages.

And there's where the BFD lies. Do you refuse entry to potentially cool technologies because they add another dependency to the platform and/or have a bit more political baggage than C?

"Worm: What butterflies really are when you look past their colorful wings."

The next one is more Novell-specific, though it applies to OSS in general as well.

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"Worm: What butterflies really are when you look past their colorful wings."

The next one is more Novell-specific, though it applies to OSS in general as well.

more

"Worm: What butterflies really are when you look past their colorful wings."

The next one is more Novell-specific, though it applies to OSS in general as well.

more

There is a free packet scan nlm file that you can run on Novell NetWare. The file dumps can be read with Ethereal.
Guidelines to Take a Packet Trace
Packetscan - NetWare packet capture tool
How to use Ethereal to capture a packet trace.
How to configure a capture filter for Ethereal

There is a free packet scan nlm file that you can run on Novell NetWare. The file dumps can be read with Ethereal.
Guidelines to Take a Packet Trace
Packetscan - NetWare packet capture tool
How to use Ethereal to capture a packet trace.
How to configure a capture filter for Ethereal