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What about the Compaq "luggable." I've got three of 'em and they all still work fine.

Greetings!

This is what a Commodore-64 is!
Commodore 64

Judging from your high UID and your apparent inexperience with the computers of 1982, I feel fully justified in blazenly assuming that 1 Kb of YOUR music is MORE than enough. 0.058 seconds of "Dad won't buy me a car, homework sucks" is exactly the right amount.

(Take it easy - I'm from 1980 myself and employing ironic humor - being an ass to mock the young kids (and I'm justified in mocking the Commodore-64 because I grew up on a Vic-20, thanks for asking.))

Back in the 80's I worked for a wonderfully inovative company called SORD Computer in Japan.

SORD's entry into the 1st laptops was the http://oldcomputers.net/sord-is11.html

SORD was a great place to work and really far ahead of the other companies of the time.

Mr Takayoshi Shiina was one of the true fathers of the micro computer industry but has been forgotten in the press.

Anyway , the IS-11 was fun, and the tape acted like a tape drive , with a directory, not just program recording medium.

Cheers

This reminds me of the TI-99/4A's cassette tape storage. For those of us who couldn't afford to buy the floppy drive, it was fun wating 30+ minutes to save/load your programs. It would wait for you to flip the tape or change it if needed. I guess what did you expect for $500 in the early 80's?

//sets timer for the usual flamebait/troll mods for daring to speak against apple.

Too bad there isn't a mod for "-1 Asshat". You've earned it.

The Mac Mini is small enough to fit, whole and unblemished, into any old Apple model (except maybe the Cube, and I'm sure the guts would fit into that once the case was off).

Fit a Mac Mini into a Timex-Sinclair, and then I'll be impressed. =)

PS. I wonder how you'd type command-T on the membrane keyboard.

More blasphemy! The Solidus was only used for the Apple ///, and that abomination was the beginning of the end.

Yes, that's funny now, but it wasn't funny when I first heard it. We were serious, and seriously wrong.

I first heard this in 1981, when we were talking about the Y2K problem in college. We knew about it, and the consensus was: ``In 19 years, they will have replaced all those old systems with the two digit dates.'' We all know how that turned out!

Today, in 2005, I know someone who's running a small business on an Osborne computer (24 years old, CPM, 5 inch green screen). Don't expect a business to toss anything that works, ever.

I remember my good old Amstrad 8086, which for you newsiest came out before the 286.
And setting the clock to the year 2025, and it ran fine. Did the same on an old Compaq Portable II http://oldcomputers.net/compaqii.html/ Intel 80286 @ 6 or 8MHz.
Then went a little crazy when get pass 21xx mark though.
Compaq with working, cool old green green.

Lets just hope they fix before people start getting Bio-implants... http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/12/0 5/2135236&tid=191&tid=126/
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No, luggables are large boxes, weighing in at about 20 pounds, and having cool 1/2" shock mounts around the hard disk drive (they really are cool).

Examples:
http://oldcomputers.net/compaqiii.html
/~tonsofpcs/journal/38774
http://oldcomputers.net/compaqii.html

No, luggables are large boxes, weighing in at about 20 pounds, and having cool 1/2" shock mounts around the hard disk drive (they really are cool).

Examples:
http://oldcomputers.net/compaqiii.html
/~tonsofpcs/journal/38774
http://oldcomputers.net/compaqii.html

That's what my Compaq Portable III is for.
http://oldcomputers.net/compaqiii.html

Also see my Journal.

Ya we had one of those real robotic turtles I wanted to add a camera to it and drive it with commands around the school in 3rd or 4th grade... I was so disapointed when she told me she couldn't do that. Although I was programming before that even. Thats a good idea though... very hands on and imediate results for what you program. As many know, Lego makes robots now that you can program. Sounds like fun and lots of learning!

Actually that wasn't my first experience with computers. I remember when Dad came how with a "portable" computer (luggable at best). It had Compaq DOS version 1.02 on it. I just turned 5, so my first game was a game were you picked the upper case or lower case letter that matched the one they were showing. In order to run my games I had to learn the basics. In second grade my school started experimenting with teaching programming at an early age which was quickly traded for typing classes. In 3rd-4th grade we were introduced to LOGO. 3rd-5th I spent more time in typeing type classes working on an elementary school paper. In 4th or 5th grade I actually started programming. I saw the book which was called BASIC on the shelf and decided it must be easy if it's called basic and read it practically cover to cover. After copying a few of the sample programs I began changing them and then starting my own. In 6th the started teaching programming in Qbasic and GWbasic at school which I flew through. In 8th grade I sat with a friend and learned Turbo Pascal over the summer and became a regular BBS poster at a few dial-up BBSes I remember when they finally connected their e-mail accounts to the web, that felt like it took forever to me although they were one of the fastest to do it. And the BBS chatrooms were a regular spot and I still remember saying happy new year to everyone on the BBS when it turned 1992. By the end of 8th grade I was running my own BBS. Also around this time I had found access to the internet through a friend of a friend whos advisor had given him access to an internet account through the school. In 9th grade, I was teaching an advanced turbo pascal class at school and began programming for a MOO. In 10th grade (1993) I was helping programming a VR-MUD world which could be added to a BBS. In 11th grade I was in a university program and had access to the internet which luckily was the same year Netscape came out and I finally saw the WWW with pictures when the systems were upgraded to allow PPP access at the end of that year! I'm up to about 20 programming languages now and the funniest thing about this whole history was that I didn't realize I was constantly on the front-line of technology until looking back just now to compare dates. That was simply when I first learned about something and became interested.

So Slashdot, let's hear how you were lured into the digital life. What was it that drew you to a life of programming? How old were you when you first used a computer?

..the memories come flooding back..

Back when I was in 4th grade, my dad bought us a Franklin Ace 1000 - this was the first clone of the Apple II, and came with a 360k floppy. It was great! I did what most of us probably did with our first computer - I wrote a "guess the number" game in AppleBASIC. :-)

Over time, I got better at simple game programming. One game I made for myself was an adventure-style game along the lines of 'search for the magic item' and 'monsters may attack you as you enter an area'. Friends at school tried to get me interested in D&D, but I just saw it as a rule system for my computer game.

Later, I started to learn more about the GR and HGR graphics system on the Apple/Franklin. When War Games came out, I convinced myself I could write a war simulator that was more or less like the one in the movie. It looked great, but you could only target a few cities (and it was case sensitive - gah!) so it wasn't much fun to play.

I remember we eventually got an 8088 IBM-PC compatible clone, and how impressed I was that it had dual 360k floppy drives and a 5MB "hard card." This was originally intended for my mom and dad to do work-like stuff at home (spreadsheets, word processing) but my brother and I eventually found a few games we could run. (Anyone remember Sopwith?)

And I started the FreeDOS Project in 1994, while I was a physics student. But at the time, computers were just a hobby for me.

Heh, but I didn't even get interested in computers as a career until my 3rd year at university. Internships for physics students were hard to find that year, so I got a job doing some programming at a local small company. After graduation, I went back to that company to do system administration, and maybe a little programming.

..and the rest is history?

So Slashdot, let's hear how you were lured into the digital life. What was it that drew you to a life of programming? How old were you when you first used a computer?

..the memories come flooding back..

Back when I was in 4th grade, my dad bought us a Franklin Ace 1000 - this was the first clone of the Apple II, and came with a 360k floppy. It was great! I did what most of us probably did with our first computer - I wrote a "guess the number" game in AppleBASIC. :-)

Over time, I got better at simple game programming. One game I made for myself was an adventure-style game along the lines of 'search for the magic item' and 'monsters may attack you as you enter an area'. Friends at school tried to get me interested in D&D, but I just saw it as a rule system for my computer game.

Later, I started to learn more about the GR and HGR graphics system on the Apple/Franklin. When War Games came out, I convinced myself I could write a war simulator that was more or less like the one in the movie. It looked great, but you could only target a few cities (and it was case sensitive - gah!) so it wasn't much fun to play.

I remember we eventually got an 8088 IBM-PC compatible clone, and how impressed I was that it had dual 360k floppy drives and a 5MB "hard card." This was originally intended for my mom and dad to do work-like stuff at home (spreadsheets, word processing) but my brother and I eventually found a few games we could run. (Anyone remember Sopwith?)

And I started the FreeDOS Project in 1994, while I was a physics student. But at the time, computers were just a hobby for me.

Heh, but I didn't even get interested in computers as a career until my 3rd year at university. Internships for physics students were hard to find that year, so I got a job doing some programming at a local small company. After graduation, I went back to that company to do system administration, and maybe a little programming.

..and the rest is history?

I first started to tinker with computers on my step-brother's zx80 at about 6 years of age. Then used an Apple IIe at school a few years later, then a Coleco Adam. After abandoning the Coleco as useless I was computerless untill learning LOGO in school in 1989, then didn't have one again untill I got a used XT in 1991. A couple years later (after mastering Turbo Pascal), I was learning C in DJGPP on a 386 with 2MB RAM, while doing my assignments on a VAX.

C'mon now... don't forget about the good old TRS-80.

Lots of good times with that thing... reading/writing video memory directly... happy days!

Do you remember why they went out of business?

Because the promotion of the Osbourne II was made public long before the product design was finalized. Sales of the I dropped to zero while waiting for release of the II, ultimately bankrupting the company.

So you want a girlfriend with an Atari 800?

These are all good suggestions. I'd suggest one more:

Show them how programming works. Something simple will do. Maybe a simple programming environment, with a "hello world", followed by a "what is your name?", "hello there, [name]" example.

It needs to be quick -- you're going to lose many of the kids quickly. But a few are going to be hooked. Make sure you're ready after class to let them try it themselves.

In case you couldn't tell, I begged my parents for a Timex Sinclair 1000 when I was 10. It was one of the greatest gifts I've ever received.

I don't recall Apple being "widely derided" for being proprietary hardware, because almost everything everyone used back then was proprietary. The only "open standard" hardware was S-100, which was wildly unsuccessful except in a few industrial niches where "standards" are more important than not sucking (IMO, of course), and the microcomputer market was completely dominated by proprietary hardware (Apple, Commodore, Radio Shack, etc.). IMO, it was simply too early for the industry to evolve hardware standards, because nobody knew what worked and what didn't, so you needed competing technologies to duke it out for a few years.

You are right that the Apple II was, by far, a superior design to all of the other computers available at the time. Wozniak's was an incredibly brilliant designer, with an amazing economy of design. But there were in fact many other microcomputers available at the time using industry standard S-100 bus and CP/M operating system, which had become the standard for businesses and serious hobbyists. When the Apple II was first introduces, its departure form these standard interfaces was mentioned, and criticized, in virtually every review. There was even a S-100 compatible PC that was roughly price-competitive with the Apple II--the Exidy Sorcerer. When I was pricing my first PC, I initially wanted to get an S-100 system, and looked very seriously at the Exidy system. But I ended up choosing the Apple II because it was the only moderately priced system of its era with the capability of doing high-resolution bit-mapped graphics--and in color, no less (due to another of Wozniak's brilliant hacks). Everything else close to its price range offered only character-mapped graphics.

I solidly believe that there is a deliberate gap in the computer market. There are simply no decent devices being currently made which allow one to easily and effortlessly write on the go. The technology is there, and it is entirely possible to build a good word-processor with a good screen and a good keyboard which can last forever on AA's. They used to make them. (The TRS-80 Model 100)

They still sort of do. Alphasmart's Dana is workable tool. But at $700 Canadian for the bottom end model, Alphasmart can go right to hell. Basic LCD with a keyboard and rudimentary electronics? The thing should sell for no more than $100 tops.

I ended up getting myself a Psion 5 from Ebay for $75 bucks.

Nice big sreen, lasts about 25 hours on a pair of AA's and it's got the best key-board I've seen for a palm. It's tight, but with small hands you can touch-type, and with bigger hands, you can do a six-finger version of the same at a fair clip. But it's still not the best solution.

The keyboard, while quite amazing as compared to similar devices, could be better. (If you press the edge of a key rather than the middle of the key, you don't always get a contact. This is needlessly annoying.) Plus the LCD screen is far too reflective for my tastes. If the wall behind you is painted white, chances are you're going to be irritated.

There's a good back-light system on the Psion 5 which fixes this, but it reduced the effective battery life down to, (drum roll please), about 6 hours, which is no better than the average laptop. Thanks guys.

Interestingly, I still find myself using the Psion 5 all the damned time. It does have a couple of features which I have found in no other device. --The primary one being the big screen which allows you to read the thing comfortably while lying in bed. --I don't care who you are, if you're a geek, then you've probably pissed yourself off trying to read in bed with a laptop. The Psion 5 is the first time I've ever comfortably been able to do this. With a fully programmable key-board, (using freeware off the web), you can configure the buttons to match exactly where your fingers fall. Not bad!

I've also done a lot of writing work on the thing since I got mine. It's nowhere nearly as comfortable as a full desktop PC, but it does the job in a pinch. I just don't like to be pinched. Still, if you want to write a term paper in a coffee shop, then you can certainly do so. The batteries will last longer than you. It's just that the device could be better. The sad part is that, as far as I know, it's the best solution currently available in a conusmer product available on the surface of the Earth. And that's pretty lame, because it could be better and it could be better with the technology currently available.

If the keyboard was maybe an inch wider and worked a little better, and if the LCD was just slightly less reflective; why, then the Psion 5 would be a dream come true!

As it is, though, for an average $75 bucks on Ebay, I can't complain too much. You can read the thing while lying in bed, and you can type a paper while sitting at any convenient table top where your PC isn't. Then you can put it in your backpack and move on. If you run out of batteries, you can buy a new set at any convenience store and you're good for another twenty-odd hours. Takes Compact Flash cards, too. That's not bad.

It could just be better. And a part of me thinks that this is entirely by design. Why is it so important that people not be allowed to easily, comfortably and reliably record their thoughts during the day while away from their ugly work stations? --Is there some reason people are required to always be subtly stressing over battery life? How does this affect the over-all tempurature of culture?)

What end does this serve?

And what th

Hmm...console as computer or terminal eh? Well the "geeky allure" certainly has nothing to do with novelty, as the concept is far from new. Witness the following:

1. The Bally Astrocade console of 1978 was the first to explore the concept commercially, as one of it's "game" carts was the BASIC programming language and cassette interface.

2. Later in 1978 Magnavox (the producer of the first ever home console called Odyssey) introduced the successor Odyssey^2. Marketed head-to-head with the Atari 2600 as a console, it actually had an integrated keyboard. It wasn't really a computer (The Sinclair ZX81 came standard with EIGHT TIMES the memory of the O^2!) the idea was that adventure/strategy games could better use a keyboard than a joystick, and that expanding it to a computer would simply involve adding a RAM expansion pack.

3. It seems Mattel had intentions from the start to give the Intellivision a computer expansion option, and touted those intentions from the console's intro in 1979. However, they were late in delivering on their promises, and were eventually forced by the FTC to bring out the computer expansion or pay huge fines. They did comply--barely--by selling a few hundred in test markets, then pulled out. Eventually the introduced a newer, quite different design to a wider market, however the result was a major disappointment.

4. Atari beat both Bally and Magnavox to the colour console market with the 2600, but it was a bit later in exploting the computer expansion option. This was probably because they figured the entry-level micro market was served adequately by its Atari 400 offering. In the end the "Graduate" keyboard was never released.

5. Coleco was probably had the most success at turning their Colecovision console into a computer in terms of units produced (300K to 500K, although much of that stock never sold) and time on the market (nearly 1.5 years starting in 1983). This was probably more to do with Coleco selling the ADAM as a self contained computer alongside the "expansion module 3" that attached to an existing Colecovision--which sold in lower numbers. The ADAM in fact simply contained a slightly modified Colecovision and the logic board of the Expansion Module 3 in one case.

And that only covers until 1983. Nintendo Famicom and the Sony PS2 could also be made into a computer (with the manufacturer's blessing and products). There certainly is some appeal in being able to "tinker" and have the flexibility of a full-fledged computer, so why did none of these ideas really take off?

I'd have to say that both price and features had a great deal to do with it--the same reason the whole market crashed in 1984. With the exception of the Coleco products (which failed because of poor marketing/late delivery and poor quality control of its initial run) all these expanded consoles were lousy computers, and the combined cost of the console and expander was the same or more than a better entry-level micro. Why would you purchase an Atari 2600 and graduate if the Atari 400 by itself was a way better system that had great games already? Why buy an intellivision that you MIGHT be able to expand to a computer when you could get a VIC or a 400 or a Speccy that was already a computer for the same price? Not only that, but these computers all came with great games to boot.

I also find the "geeky allure" appealing, but I think the market is limited--in fact I think the drive to "tinker" with some of these devices is because the were commercial failures. Hardcore fans feel like they are abandoned by the company and band together for support and to get the most out of the system. Because the supply of orphaned sys

http://folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh &story=Tell_Adam_Hes_An_Asshole.txt
http://oldcomputers.net/osborne.html

For a bit more on "Osborne"

I wasn't trying to compare DVDs to floppies. I was tying to use floppies as an example of something ubiquitous that is no longer so popular, and to show that huge shifts in technology have been delivered in less time than the 10 years projected in the article. On some fronts I believe floppies are superior to DVDs (they are cheaper than dirt, I can fit them in my pocket, I can use it a bazillion times, they can still hold fair amounts of data, and they're pretty durable), but CD and DVD kick ass on size and speed. No real comparison, I agree with you. As for media not used on computers, yes, audio cassettes are still easy to find and use, even though CDs are much better, and VHS cannot hold a candle to DVD; the next thing will undoubtedly do the same thing to CD and DVD media and storage.

I also wasn't trying to suggest that anything would outright disappear. If I wanted to make that comparison I might have indicated punch tape and cards, not floppy disks.

What I intended to share was an agreement with the article that the technology we have now is very likely to become weak in comparison to the technology yet to come. Imagine installing your favorite OS entirely by floppy today; it used to be that way.

What Unka Bill tried to say in his statement (and that I agree with) was that the way video, and by extension data, is presented on DVD is likely to pass the proverbial torch a different technology. Video, the most obvious current use of DVD, will be delivered differently; simply stated. Perhaps by the Internet or other network, perhaps by better optical or magnetic media, and quite probably by something we haven't envisioned yet.

iFilm is chock full of video, mp3 is full of audio (just to pick some free and legal sites--not intended as a limit of knowledge or endorsement), not to mention the various peer-to-peer and BitTorrent methods of sharing (for the other kind). This as an alternative to DVD is a more viable reality as broadband becomes ubiquitous. Currently on my 3MB pipe it can take almost as long to download from a busy site as it will to watch, but I can see things speeding up.

DVDs will no doubt be around for a very long time; at the very least, until the last manufacturer of DVD players has been long gone, and no one can repair what's left behind. However, the next greatest thing will probably not just be a bigger DVD (as DVDs are bigger CDs), but something different. Something that doesn't get scratched or broken in half or can hold more and get reused better and has faster random access.

To address the support you mentioned in your observation, 5 years is less than ten, while a decade is equal to ten; seems that you don't disagree with the timeline of the technology shift either. I must disagree with your three decades of compatibility for the past technology--at which computer store can one buy an 8-inch floppy drive? I still have some of the disks from my old Tandy system that was still in use in the mid-eighties (barely three decades),

Similarly, I bet you can't go get your favorite contemporary group's latest release to play on that fancy new phonograph of yours...maybe some, but not enough to make it your primary means of entertainment. And if you could, you'd probably rip the song from the vinyl to your MP3 player so you could take it with you anyway.

You consider something this big a PDA in the modern handheld sense of the word? I mean, if you want to go with a definition like that then Tandy's pocket computers were PDAs too.

The Newton pretty much marks the emergence of anything remotely similar to what we now know as a PDA.

And how in the world does the name eVic imply 20GB of storage? Is it something in another language (like vic means 20)

One of the first widely successful Commodore computers sold was called the VIC-20.

This all sort of reminds me of the company that was putting out a huge new version of their product, that was taking an incredibly long time. And all their sales people were saying... don't buy yet.. wait... basically hyping the new product. And then when the new product came out they immediately started hyping the next product. No one bought the first product as a result, the company went out of business, and the second version never appeared.

That was the Osborne series of computers, the world's first "luggable" computer.

Commodore 64s used your TV set for a monitor.

It is true that Commodore 64s had a video out that allowed you to use your TV as a monitor.

However, Commodore 64 monitors did exist. See here for example.

i had one of these, with 4K of memory... i remember programming john carmack's game of life in assembly language on that one, the 6509 instruction set... geez...

trs-80 color computer

Ever heard of the SX-64? I have one. It wasn't portable in the take-it-with-you-everywhere sense but it was mobile. I mostly took mine to friend's homes and to the occasional user group meeting. I do have a more portable Commodore 64, in a sense, in that I run Frodo for Palm on my handheld. As for why? Nostalgic gaming mostly.

What? you are not willing to strap a beast of a machine to your back, and carry a CRT-based monitor?
Kids today.
Back in my day, built-in 5" CRT and no battorys. And we liked it!

I can't speak for everyone here, but I know my interest in computers was sparked by playing games. (Amiga 1000 baby!) It has since led to college at a fairly good university, and now a *real* job where I sit in a rolly chair and read slashdot while hacking out some code.

Yes, games are a waste of time, but it provides 1) a social outlet; and 2) a desire to use and understand technology.

My friend's dad - an engineer - bought one of these and my friend and I used it regularly to complete our CS degrees back then. A wonderful piece of tech for its time.

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How about the Atari Portfolio, of 1989?

Linkie.

...and replace your PC with a Timex Sinclair. In over twenty-two years of use, not a single one has ever been infected with a virus.

For the rest of us, my advice usually follows something like this:

• Paranoid but looking for a more useable solution which easily connects to the internet, buy a Macintosh.
  
• Willing and interested in learning how to administer a system, run Linux or BSD.
  
• Have a large company handling support for you, join the Windows hoards. Expect some downtime due to security issues, but you'll face fewer compatibility issues.
  
• Looking for games, buy a Playstation or an XBox. No viruses here (so far).
  

So what you want is this ??

Yeah... the bellbottoms of the computer world. ;)

My portable weights 28 pounds.

Anyway, the worlds first color portable computer was the Commodore SX-64 in 1983.

We'll have come full circle when our "laptops" start looking -- and weighing -- like the Compaq "Portable" computer.

Damn, my PC at University was an Atari 400. You think I'm joking? I'm not! It was way back in '81...
I still have it somewhere (I think).

Bill founded what is now the largest software company in the world, and wether or not you agree with him, he has made a important contribution to the computing industry: Microsoft brought desktop computing to the home user.

Now, be honest. How many of us had our first computer experience with MS-DOS or Windows 3.1? Do you think that if computers still consisted on thin-client-server models based on huge VAX mainframes, that Joe and Jane Smith would be able to dial-in to AOL and connect to thousands of people around the world?

Would the Internet have blossomed into the vast information network it is today without the aid of easy-to-use software from Microsoft?

How about Grandma who wants to set up a webcam so she can chat with her grandchildren? She doesn't want to have to sit and hack kernels for hours. She wants Plug-and-Play, baby.

Look, disagree all you like, but thanks to things like Windows, Office, and MSN, modern computing has been made easy and affordable to everyone, thanks to pioneers like Bill Gates.

Sweet Sixteen is an older computer language designed by Steve Wozniak (see http://oldcomputers.net/byteappleII.html and http://www.fadden.com/dl-apple2/sweet16.txt) for the apple ][ and is a little less bloated than Perl.

I thought this was going to be about Woz's Sweet-16 interpreter for the Apple II (see bottom of that page), but no luck. I guess it's about 28 years old now....

darn, I dated myself.

That's really odd looking. I didn't realise that Timex released the Sinclair machines in the US. They're almost identical except for the logo. The TS1000 is the US model of the Sinclair ZX-81, my first computer!

I had a further browse around that site and found the Timex Sinclair 1500, which was basically a Sinclair ZX Spectrum (my 3rd computer) in a shiny case. I challenge any 1980's UK Speccy addict to not be ever so slightly freaked out by a picture of the Timex Sinclair 1500.

You're describing a Compaq Portable III, which is light years beyond the original Compaq Portable described in the article.

You're describing a Compaq Portable III, which is light years beyond the original Compaq Portable described in the article.

http://oldcomputers.net/ is one place. Like I said in another post, I'm going to write the same thing, but from a more personal angle. Also, I want to see how closely my computers have obeyed Moore's Law. Stay tuned :)

I was sure to find references to my goold old Timex Sinclair 1000, or even my Adam computer, but no! I had to read about Compaq...

Not even a word on the TI 99/4A. Guess I'll have to publish my own list. Actually, I had planned a long time to do a timeline of my computers, see how it respected moore's law. Guess there's no better time then right now to get started.

which was beaten to market 9 years earlier by the TRS-80 PC-1