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It seems like you all are forgetting all the trouble NASA went to protect Apollo astronauts against catastrophic pad failures.

These structures were built into the pad to try to allow astronauts to escape the Saturn V in the event of a not-so-catastrophic-but-close-to-it pad failure.

And the infamous slide wire (which, IMHO, should not have been disassembled, it should have been referbered and opened up to the public for a fee....)

NASA was VERY worried about pre launch Rapid Unscheduled Dissassembies. That none ever happened is testimony to procedure, training and engineering.

Every time a story like this is posted, everyone begins reminiscing about the "good ole days" when they had to enter their programs using toggle switches or paper tape.

Fortunately, most of the platforms of old are still around and anytime I get to feeling nostalgic about a particular machine I used to work on, I just fire up one of the many emulators available. After about 10 minutes of playing around with it and the reality of how much dealing with the limitations sucked, I simply shut it down and get back to my current 8Gb Quad-core machine and I'm happy again.

For those of you who haven't checked these out and are feeling nostalgic, here's a few links that may bring back some memories...

http://applewin.berlios.de/ (Apple IIe emulator)
http://www.discover-net.net/~dmkeil/ (Various TRS-80 emulators Model I, III/4, Coco 1,2 & 3)
http://www.altair32.com/index.htm (Greate Altair 8800 emulator - complete with front-panel)
http://www.viceteam.org/ (Various Commodore emulators - C64, C128, VIC20, PET)
http://fms.komkon.org/Speccy/ (Sinclair ZX)

For the greybeards out there
http://www.hercules-390.org/ (IBM System/370/390/z emulator)
http://www.ibmsystem3.nl/emulators.html (IBM System 3 emulator - anyone remember this baby!)

And for the "whitebeards"...
http://members.optushome.com.au/intaemul/Emul1401.htm (IBM 1401 emulator - Autocoder anyone?)


Go ahead, get it out of your system so you can stop pining for the "good ole day", that were, in truth not really as great as they seem in restrospect.

Enjoy...

The BEST simple cpu was used at OSU's EE dept: the Moto 6809!
It is clean "orthogonal", exhibits modern addressing modes, has 2 tandem 8-b accumulators for 16-b ops.
REsources. Software: Microware's OS9, Flex, out there. AND the BEST TEXT ever is Programming the 6809, Sybex Zaks.

    FPGAs can make a 6809 uController. See OpenCores.

Or just buy an Atmel Butterfly, a $20 demo w an ATmega169, RAM, I/O. LCD, etc.
But PICs are not RISC but LISC (Lobotomized Instr.Set).

The BEST simple cpu was used at OSU's EE dept: the Moto 6809!
It is clean "orthogonal", exhibits modern addressing modes, has 2 tandem 8-b accumulators for 16-b ops. Software: Microware's OS9, Flex, out there. AND the BEST TEXT ever is Programming the 6809, Sybex Zaks.

  FPGAs can make a 6809 uController. See OpenCores.org.
Or just buy an Atmel Butterfly, a $20 demo w an ATmega169, RAM, I/O. LCD, etc.
But PICs are not RISC but LISC (Lobotomized Instr.Set).

My comment was a pithy pop-culture reference intended to generate a laugh response, commonly known as "a joke" among the higher-level anthropoid species.

In this context, the choice of language was perfectly cromulent.

Has this pirate been caught already?

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Forth? No.

Learning forth will help you learn reverse polish notation, one specific trick for building high-performance interpreted languages and a very lightweight, easily extensible and embeddable scripting language.

It won't, though, teach you anything about computers work beyond the small amount you'll pick up by learning any new language. Including French.

If you want to learn how computers work there are far better things to play with. Assembly language, obviously, whether it be a synthetic assembly language such as DLX or a real architecture. x86 isn't the most enlightening assembly language to start with (6502 is excellent, MIPS or for a really nice architecture, Alpha) but it'll run on your PC.

Books. Patterson and Hennesey, Computer Organization and Design, The Hardware/Software Interface is pretty good for a programmers intro, but Hennesey and Patterson, Computer Architecture, A Quantative Approach will teach you a lot more, as will most texts with Superscalar in the title

Learn a hardware description language. Verilog is better, but VHDL is OK. Compilers and simulators are freely available for both.

Get an FPGA development kit. Compile yourself some hardware. You can put full CPUs on a fairly cheap FPGA development board.

Design your own CPU. It's possible for an individual or a small group to design a CPU and have it fabricated as a tinychip. I've seen individuals design a full, if tiny, CPU at mask level in a couple of months, and a small group put together a fairly decent gate level design in a few more. Commonly done as part of a college course, but an individual can have a tinychip fabricated for around $1000. Not cheap, but cheaper than some hobbies.

You can do full circuit level design and simulate it using either gate level or spice transistor level simulators and see just why addition or multiplication takes as long as it does.

As a general rule I've found that some of the best software engineers have some hardware design background, and a good understanding of computer architecture, so even if you never plan to do any hardware design, understanding how it all works is a good idea.

Of course, I've also found that a large fraction of good software engineers have also spent time working as theatre technicians, so who knows what the correlations are...

I did a bit of research, and I decided that I probably picked up the idea from an explanation of the situation in the book The Integral Trees, because that's almost all I found. (Odd; if I post to usenet, I always do research first if I'm doubtful, but if it's slashdot I just post.) One page which mentions it is http://members.optushome.com.au/guests/PhysicsinSF .html. So apparently this was something resembling a prevailing theory at some point, but maybe people changed their minds. Lots of usenet mentions, but nothing beyond unsubstantiated arguing, as usual.

So, I defer to your knowledge.

What is it with America's love of voting machines? They don't use them virtually anywhere else.

Haven't you bloody Americans learnt the KISS system - Keep It Simple Stupid.

This means no bloody machines, period !!! If Australia (& also virtually the rest of the democratic world) can do hand counted paper ballots, then so can the US.

The only reason they use machine systems in the US is to cut costs, but the simple fact is they arn't as good (they invalidate more votes then hand counts do, they intimidate & confuse a good percentage of voters & they increase the odds of something fucking up (murphy's law)

Look at the mess, as well as the fucked up punch card machines you have counties with lever machines, other with optical machines, toggle switch machines, push button machines & also touch screen systems too. Then there are places like Oregon where all votes are of the mail in variety (which obviously discriminates against the homeless & disorginised). The simple fact is that huge numbers of people are intimidated with this complicated mess that's one of the reasons why most Americans don't vote & why the US has about the lowest voter turnout in the OECD.

Look at all the people that are intimidated by machines & even now still refuse to use Automatic Teller Machines, & there are plenty more people like that then just the illiterate, the elderly & immigrants that have poor 2nd language skills.

Its as if the bureaucracy in the US are on purposefully trying to discourage the masses from voting.

The only way to go is to Keep It Simple Stupid. Which means aiming at the lowest common denominator & designing a system that the stupidist simpleton can understand.

Which means 'X marks the spot' / 'tick the box' hand ballots.

That means a piece of paper with the candidates listed in a columne & another columne of boxes on the side with just one box next to each candidate.

Here are a couple of examples of 'KISS' paper ballots, the 1st one is an example of an Australian preferential ballot (any Americans who support 3rd parties should be demanding that the US system be made either preferential or proportional, otherwise no 3rd parties will ever make any long term headway), the 2nd ballot is an example of an 'tick the box' ballot.

As far as counting goes the US should be doing what Australia does (& most of the rest of the developed world does similar) & hold the vote on a Saturday (I wonder how many blue collar workers in the US chose not to vote because of the incoveniance of voting on a Tuesday), using local schools as voting centres. Then leasing indoor stadiums & convention centres nationwide which are to be used as counting centres for the thousands of temp workers employed to count the votes. Each counter also has a Labour & conservative coalition scrutineer looking over his/her shoulders. You see by voting on Saturday it means there's a huge availability of temp workers to count ballots (useally teachers & other public servants after extra dosh) & party volunteers to scrutineer counting, which wouldn't be available if voting occured for some bizarre reason on a Tuesday

Sure its labour intensive, but as any UN election observer will tell you this is the best system if you want high turnouts with low rates of invalid votes & a result that's as accurate as can be, by Monday morning at the latest (actually in the vast majority of elections we know who's won by about 8pm the same night).

Also all politicians must be removed from any decision making processes as far as the running of elections are concerned, etc.

Look at the way democratic afiliated local officials OKed the hand count iin Palm Beach & then the Republican Florida SoS blocked the hand count (& she was Bush's co-campaign manager, which makes it an even worse conflict of interest). That sort

What is it with America's love of voting machines? They don't use them virtually anywhere else.

Haven't you bloody Americans learnt the KISS system - Keep It Simple Stupid.

This means no bloody machines, period !!! If Australia (& also virtually the rest of the democratic world) can do hand counted paper ballots, then so can the US.

The only reason they use machine systems in the US is to cut costs, but the simple fact is they arn't as good (they invalidate more votes then hand counts do, they intimidate & confuse a good percentage of voters & they increase the odds of something fucking up (murphy's law)

Look at the mess, as well as the fucked up punch card machines you have counties with lever machines, other with optical machines, toggle switch machines, push button machines & also touch screen systems too. Then there are places like Oregon where all votes are of the mail in variety (which obviously discriminates against the homeless & disorginised). The simple fact is that huge numbers of people are intimidated with this complicated mess that's one of the reasons why most Americans don't vote & why the US has about the lowest voter turnout in the OECD.

Look at all the people that are intimidated by machines & even now still refuse to use Automatic Teller Machines, & there are plenty more people like that then just the illiterate, the elderly & immigrants that have poor 2nd language skills.

Its as if the bureaucracy in the US are on purposefully trying to discourage the masses from voting.

The only way to go is to Keep It Simple Stupid. Which means aiming at the lowest common denominator & designing a system that the stupidist simpleton can understand.

Which means 'X marks the spot' / 'tick the box' hand ballots.

That means a piece of paper with the candidates listed in a columne & another columne of boxes on the side with just one box next to each candidate.

Here are a couple of examples of 'KISS' paper ballots, the 1st one is an example of an Australian preferential ballot (any Americans who support 3rd parties should be demanding that the US system be made either preferential or proportional, otherwise no 3rd parties will ever make any long term headway), the 2nd ballot is an example of an 'tick the box' ballot.

As far as counting goes the US should be doing what Australia does (& most of the rest of the developed world does similar) & hold the vote on a Saturday (I wonder how many blue collar workers in the US chose not to vote because of the incoveniance of voting on a Tuesday), using local schools as voting centres. Then leasing indoor stadiums & convention centres nationwide which are to be used as counting centres for the thousands of temp workers employed to count the votes. Each counter also has a Labour & conservative coalition scrutineer looking over his/her shoulders. You see by voting on Saturday it means there's a huge availability of temp workers to count ballots (useally teachers & other public servants after extra dosh) & party volunteers to scrutineer counting, which wouldn't be available if voting occured for some bizarre reason on a Tuesday

Sure its labour intensive, but as any UN election observer will tell you this is the best system if you want high turnouts with low rates of invalid votes & a result that's as accurate as can be, by Monday morning at the latest (actually in the vast majority of elections we know who's won by about 8pm the same night).

Also all politicians must be removed from any decision making processes as far as the running of elections are concerned, etc.

Look at the way democratic afiliated local officials OKed the hand count iin Palm Beach & then the Republican Florida SoS blocked the hand count (& she was Bush's co-campaign manager, which makes it an even worse conflict of interest). That sort

It's not the best solution in the world with the GBA screen being so small, but I've read a couple of books on it and it's a nice inexpensive solution. You have to have a flash cart to transfer it to the GBA though, of course.

Andrew Clausen (author of parted) had this some time back - he called it upstart.

Judging from his page he's changed his mind since, but I do remember him saying he's discovered a few race conditions that way - some of the start up scripts finish before the service is fully up, which they shouldn't...

Jiri

The bottom line is that BPL's harmful effects ARE NOT limited to ham frequencies. There's a bunch of other services, both commercial and government, using HF from 2-30MHz.

Just as a few examples: Aeronautical HF, NOAA RadioFAX over HF, NOAA storm warnings broadcast by SITOR over HF, Federal and Marine HF frequencies... The list goes on forever.

So, it really isn't just hams that are going to be suffering. It's EVERYONE that uses the HF spectrum, including the U.S. Government!

How long do you think said government is going to let BPL exist in its current form once critical military or Justice Department installations start noticing the very same interference that'll be driving us hams nuts?

http://members.optushome.com.au/dbsite1/www.pskovi nfo.ru/coilgun/index.htm

abount time i used the webspace my ISP gives me for something usefull.

Also check out darkstat It seems to be a bit better and cleaner than ntop. I just installed it out of curiosity and it seems to be working pretty well.

As far as total data transferred stats, do an ifconfig, it should show stats for network interfaces, writting a few scripts probably wouldn't be that incredibly complex. Or maybe even extending darkstat to incorporate what you want to do, if it's good enough, send the author a patch. :)

...I was preparing for my trip there by reading up on this this guide for Americans.

Oh my god. Do not follow the advice in that link. It sounds suspiciously like a certain Hungarian phrase book :)

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Why you should be a BSD user

My cable guy (on a slightly funny yet sad side-note) didn't have a PCMCIA network card and left my house happy having achieved his list of todos. I felt very empty waiting 3 days to get to shop for my own NIC to finish the job. The EULA was the least of my concern.

On a more valid note, in Australia I do know that Optus Cable is a permanent connection and does not require any software whatsoever (and none is installed), while Telstra Cable requires softward because it is PPPoE and perhaps other non-standard things (for a very long time they did not use DOCSIS modems).

I think you're thinking of the gravitron.

I guess if you opened the loading door while you were up to 4 gs then you could have people flying out with pretty good Ke too.

But haven't you bloody Americans learnt the KISS system - Keep It Simple Stupid.

This means no bloody machines, period !!! If Australia (& most of the OECD) can do hand counted paper ballots, then so can the US.

The only reason they use machine systems in the US is to cut costs, but the simple fact is they arn't as good - they invalidate more votes then hand counts do, they intimidate & confuse a good percentage of voters & they increase the odds of something fuking up (murphy's law)

Look at the mess, as well as the fucked up punch card machines you have counties with lever machines, other with optical machines, toggle switch machines, push button machines & also touch screen systems too. Then there are places like Oregon where all votes are of the mail in variety (which obviously discriminates against the homeless & disorginised). The simple fact is that huge numbers of people are intimidated with this complicated mess that's one of the reasons why most Americans don't vote & why the US has the lowest voter turnout in the OECD

Look at all the people that are intimidated by machines & even now still refuse to use Automatic Teller Machines, & there are plenty more people like that then just the illiterate, the elderly & immigrants that have poor 2nd language skills.

Its as if the bureaucracy in the US are on purposefully trying to discourage the masses from voting.

The only way to go is to Keep It Simple Stupid. Which means aiming at the lowest common denominator & designing a system that the stupidist simpleton can understand.

Which means 'X marks the spot' hand ballots.

That means a peice of paper with the candidates listed in a columne & another columne of boxes on the side with just one box next to each candidate.

Here are a couple of examples of 'KISS' paper ballots, the 1st one is an example of an Australian preferential ballot (any Americans who support 3rd parties should be demanding that the US system be made either preferential or proportional, otherwise no 3rd parties will ever make any long term headway), the 2nd ballot is an example of an ''X' marks the spot' ballot.

As far as counting goes the US should be doing what Australia does (& most of the rest of the developed world does similar) & hold the vote on a Saturday (I wonder how many blue collar workers in the US chose not to vote because of the incoveniance of voting on a Tuesday), using local schools as voting centres. Then leasing indoor stadiums & convention centres nationwide which are to be used as counting centres for the thousands of temp workers employed to count the votes. Each counter also has a Labour & conservative scrutineer looking over his/her shoulders.

It's extremely rare for results to not be known before the weekend is out (actually results mostly come out on the Saturday night, meaning people can go to election result parties & still be ok for work on Monday)

Sure its labour intensive, but as any UN election observer will tell you this is the best system if you want high turnouts with low rates of invalid votes & a result that's as accurate as can be, by Monday morning at the latest (actually in the vast majority of elections we know who's won by about 8pm the same night).

Now I bet someone will think 'oh but the US is much bigger than Australia', well my answer is no problem, the US having a nationwide hand paper ballot election would be no different than if Australia the UK, Germany the Netherlands & the Scandinavian countries all voted the same day, IE there's no reason to think it won't scale up fine.

Also all politicians must be removed from any decision making processes as far as the running of elections are concerned, etc.

Look at the way democratic afiliated local officials OKed the hand count iin Palm Beach & then the Republican Florida SoS blocked the hand count (& she was Bush's co-campaign manager, which makes it an even worse conflict of interest). That sort of thing is unheard of in Australia. Where an Independent Australian Electoral Commision administers federal elections & the various state electoral commisions administers state & local elections.

No politians are involved anywhere in the decision making process (except for calling the date of the election). As far as recounts, re-votes, referendums (in Australia politions can't amend the constitution, only the people can through referendums. Where a majority of the total votes & a majority in a majority of states, responds 'yes' to the amendment) & by-elections, etc are concerned only the electoral commision can make decisions regarding them. Although anyone can appeal to the commision's court, for a recount or re vote or something. Whether such appeals are successful is another matter.

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But this was done recently for electric power; in 1998, a disastrous ice storm destroyed a fair portion of the electric distribution system in Québec; in a suburb of Montréal, diesel locomotives were lent to the city to provide emergency power; they even ran the engines on the frozen street without any track at all!!! (other links here and here).

1st a little background. When LM 1st decided to tender for the JSF they put forward plans for a smaller cunard foreplane aircraft (a la the Israeli Lavi, the Eurofighter, the Dassault Rafale etc). They even developed a Large Scale Powered Model (LSPM) to demonstrate their JAST concept. A number of Small Scale Powered Models (SSPMs) were also tested to develop a basic understanding of the hover and transition regions. But pretty quicky they realised they could not get the design sorted out within the timeframe, so they went & knocked on the door of the Yakovlev OKB in Russia. In 1992, Lockheed Martin signed an agreement with the Russian Yakovlev Design Bureau & Pratt & Whitney signed one with the Soyuz Aero Engine Company for information on the supersonic Yak-141 STOVL fighter and its three bearing swivel duct nozzle, etc. Yakovlev was paid 'several dozen million dollars', P&W also spent some small change on a license from the Soyuz Aero Engine Company . Its no big secret outside of the US.

Now lets see what AeroWorld Net has to say:

..In 1992/93 Lockheed contracted Yakovlev on some work pertaining to short take-off/vertical landing (STOVL) aircraft studies in reference to the JAST (JSF) project. Yakovlev shared its STOVL technologies with the US company for several dozen million dollars.

Former Yakovlev employees accuse Yakovlev heads of taking personal interest out of the deal with Lockheed, because the official sum of the contract did not correspond with the value of the information presented to the US company. The data was on the Yak-141 test program, aerodynamics and design features, including the design of the R-79 engine nozzles.

After a careful study of those materials, Lockheed - without much noise - changed its initial JSF proposal, including a design of the engine nozzles that is now very similar to those of the Yak-141...

H'mm I wonder what the Russian Aerospace guide has to say, more specifically the archived July/August 95 issue of Cosmonautics

...Lockheed Martin is also cooperating with the Yakovlev Design Bureau to build an advanced fighter/attack jet for Air Force and Navy use. The deal is still pending Russian government approval, but plans call for a prototype to be ready by 2000 and operational plane by 2010. The plane could end up replacing the F-14, 15E, 16, 111, 117, and AV-8B. Yakovlev's contribution will be based on its
recent experience with the Yak-141 VTOL fighter.
...

Now that website may have a Russian slant so lets see what Jane's has to say:

... Lockheed Martin also turned to Russia for technical expertise, purchasing design data from Yakovlev...

I wonder what is says in Aviation Week & Space Technology 1995, v142n25, Jun 19, p. 74-77

Lockheed Martin is turning to Russia's Yakovlev Design Bureau for help in designing short takeoff/vertical landing (STOVL) aircraft for the US Joint Advanced Strike Technology (JAST) competition.

Maybe even The Hindu , 'India's National Newspaper' has something to say on the subject.

...The rise and rise of western dominance since the end of the cold war has given many in countries like India the impression that the former ``eastern bloc'', and particularly Russia, has nothing left of any scientific or technological value. It will therefore surprise many that Lockheed Martin went ahead with development of its successful JSF bid only after getting the design cleared by Russia's Yakovlev aeronautical bureau because they were so impressed by the latter's short take off and vertical landing (STOVL) prototype, the Yak 41. This naval fighter was flying a dozen years ago (!) and only an explosion on board the aircraft carrier `Sergei Gorshkov' (which the Indian Navy is in the process of purchasing) and the economic travails of the disintegrating Soviet Union stopped further development.

Now I wonder what the Google cached pages of the Airforce Magazine have on the subject

...In a postCold War irony, Lockheed Martin consulted with the Yakovlev design bureau of Russia early in the JSF design process because the Yak-141 used a similar approach, though that airplane never made it to series production...

...The swiveling rear exhaust is a licensed design from the Yakovlev design bureau in Russia, which triedit out on the Yak-141 STOVL fighter...

I wonder what they say on the actual JSF page:

...The exhaust from the engine flows through the 3 Bearing Swivel Nozzle (3BSN). The 3BSN nozzle, developed by Rolls-Royce, was patterned along the lines of the exhaust system on the Yakovlev Yak-141 STOVL prototype that flew at the 1992 Farnborough air show....

I'd suggest you also check out the French Prototypes.com website . In partuclar their (Googlised into English) pages that explain the whole process on & the evolution from the Yak-36 to the Yak-38 to the Yak-141 & finally the Yak-41 & the stillborn Yak-43, which so heavily influenced the winning JSF design that LM terminated their double diamond canard foreplane CALF/JAST program to & started all over again using the Yak-43 design they got in their technolgy tranfer agreement with Yakovlev as their new starting point.

& Too finish off, whats say we look at some profile pics

The Yak-141

The stillborn Yak-43 circa 1993

The LM X-35

It seems the LM X-35 looks a lot more like the Yak-43 than the LM's canard foreplane CALF/JAST prototype. Basically the differances are a more stealthy body, uncanted wings & a lift fan rather than a lift jet. Funny thing is back then in the early 90's the Soyuz Engine Company was right in the process of designing a shafted lift fan to replace the old Rybinsk lift jet setup. I won't even start on the vectored rear nozzle setup on the P$W 135 engine which appears to be an exact copy of the Soyuz R79 (ie I'll save the nozzle pics for another day).

1st a little background. When LM 1st decided to tender for the JSF they put forward plans for a smaller cunard foreplane aircraft (a la the Israeli Lavi, the Eurofighter, the Dassault Rafale etc). They even developed a Large Scale Powered Model (LSPM) to demonstrate their JAST concept. A number of Small Scale Powered Models (SSPMs) were also tested to develop a basic understanding of the hover and transition regions. But pretty quicky they realised they could not get the design sorted out within the timeframe, so they went & knocked on the door of the Yakovlev OKB in Russia. In 1992, Lockheed Martin signed an agreement with the Russian Yakovlev Design Bureau & Pratt & Whitney signed one with the Soyuz Aero Engine Company for information on the supersonic Yak-141 STOVL fighter and its three bearing swivel duct nozzle, etc. Yakovlev was paid 'several dozen million dollars', P&W also spent some small change on a license from the Soyuz Aero Engine Company . Its no big secret outside of the US.

Now lets see what AeroWorld Net has to say:

..In 1992/93 Lockheed contracted Yakovlev on some work pertaining to short take-off/vertical landing (STOVL) aircraft studies in reference to the JAST (JSF) project. Yakovlev shared its STOVL technologies with the US company for several dozen million dollars.

Former Yakovlev employees accuse Yakovlev heads of taking personal interest out of the deal with Lockheed, because the official sum of the contract did not correspond with the value of the information presented to the US company. The data was on the Yak-141 test program, aerodynamics and design features, including the design of the R-79 engine nozzles.

After a careful study of those materials, Lockheed - without much noise - changed its initial JSF proposal, including a design of the engine nozzles that is now very similar to those of the Yak-141...

H'mm I wonder what the Russian Aerospace guide has to say, more specifically the archived July/August 95 issue of Cosmonautics

...Lockheed Martin is also cooperating with the Yakovlev Design Bureau to build an advanced fighter/attack jet for Air Force and Navy use. The deal is still pending Russian government approval, but plans call for a prototype to be ready by 2000 and operational plane by 2010. The plane could end up replacing the F-14, 15E, 16, 111, 117, and AV-8B. Yakovlev's contribution will be based on its
recent experience with the Yak-141 VTOL fighter.
...

Now that website may have a Russian slant so lets see what Jane's has to say:

... Lockheed Martin also turned to Russia for technical expertise, purchasing design data from Yakovlev...

I wonder what is says in Aviation Week & Space Technology 1995, v142n25, Jun 19, p. 74-77

Lockheed Martin is turning to Russia's Yakovlev Design Bureau for help in designing short takeoff/vertical landing (STOVL) aircraft for the US Joint Advanced Strike Technology (JAST) competition.

Maybe even The Hindu , 'India's National Newspaper' has something to say on the subject.

...The rise and rise of western dominance since the end of the cold war has given many in countries like India the impression that the former ``eastern bloc'', and particularly Russia, has nothing left of any scientific or technological value. It will therefore surprise many that Lockheed Martin went ahead with development of its successful JSF bid only after getting the design cleared by Russia's Yakovlev aeronautical bureau because they were so impressed by the latter's short take off and vertical landing (STOVL) prototype, the Yak 41. This naval fighter was flying a dozen years ago (!) and only an explosion on board the aircraft carrier `Sergei Gorshkov' (which the Indian Navy is in the process of purchasing) and the economic travails of the disintegrating Soviet Union stopped further development.

Now I wonder what the Google cached pages of the Airforce Magazine have on the subject

...In a postCold War irony, Lockheed Martin consulted with the Yakovlev design bureau of Russia early in the JSF design process because the Yak-141 used a similar approach, though that airplane never made it to series production...

...The swiveling rear exhaust is a licensed design from the Yakovlev design bureau in Russia, which triedit out on the Yak-141 STOVL fighter...

I wonder what they say on the actual JSF page:

...The exhaust from the engine flows through the 3 Bearing Swivel Nozzle (3BSN). The 3BSN nozzle, developed by Rolls-Royce, was patterned along the lines of the exhaust system on the Yakovlev Yak-141 STOVL prototype that flew at the 1992 Farnborough air show....

I'd suggest you also check out the French Prototypes.com website . In partuclar their (Googlised into English) pages that explain the whole process on & the evolution from the Yak-36 to the Yak-38 to the Yak-141 & finally the Yak-41 & the stillborn Yak-43, which so heavily influenced the winning JSF design that LM terminated their double diamond canard foreplane CALF/JAST program to & started all over again using the Yak-43 design they got in their technolgy tranfer agreement with Yakovlev as their new starting point.

& Too finish off, whats say we look at some profile pics

The Yak-141

The stillborn Yak-43 circa 1993

The LM X-35

It seems the LM X-35 looks a lot more like the Yak-43 than the LM's canard foreplane CALF/JAST prototype. Basically the differances are a more stealthy body, uncanted wings & a lift fan rather than a lift jet. Funny thing is back then in the early 90's the Soyuz Engine Company was right in the process of designing a shafted lift fan to replace the old Rybinsk lift jet setup. I won't even start on the vectored rear nozzle setup on the P$W 135 engine which appears to be an exact copy of the Soyuz R79 (ie I'll save the nozzle pics for another day).

1st a little background. When LM 1st decided to tender for the JSF they put forward plans for a smaller cunard foreplane aircraft (a la the Israeli Lavi, the Eurofighter, the Dassault Rafale etc). They even developed a Large Scale Powered Model (LSPM) to demonstrate their JAST concept. A number of Small Scale Powered Models (SSPMs) were also tested to develop a basic understanding of the hover and transition regions. But pretty quicky they realised they could not get the design sorted out within the timeframe, so they went & knocked on the door of the Yakovlev OKB in Russia. In 1992, Lockheed Martin signed an agreement with the Russian Yakovlev Design Bureau & Pratt & Whitney signed one with the Soyuz Aero Engine Company for information on the supersonic Yak-141 STOVL fighter and its three bearing swivel duct nozzle, etc. Yakovlev was paid 'several dozen million dollars', P&W also spent some small change on a license from the Soyuz Aero Engine Company . Its no big secret outside of the US.

Now lets see what AeroWorld Net has to say:

..In 1992/93 Lockheed contracted Yakovlev on some work pertaining to short take-off/vertical landing (STOVL) aircraft studies in reference to the JAST (JSF) project. Yakovlev shared its STOVL technologies with the US company for several dozen million dollars.

Former Yakovlev employees accuse Yakovlev heads of taking personal interest out of the deal with Lockheed, because the official sum of the contract did not correspond with the value of the information presented to the US company. The data was on the Yak-141 test program, aerodynamics and design features, including the design of the R-79 engine nozzles.

After a careful study of those materials, Lockheed - without much noise - changed its initial JSF proposal, including a design of the engine nozzles that is now very similar to those of the Yak-141...

H'mm I wonder what the Russian Aerospace guide has to say, more specifically the archived July/August 95 issue of Cosmonautics

...Lockheed Martin is also cooperating with the Yakovlev Design Bureau to build an advanced fighter/attack jet for Air Force and Navy use. The deal is still pending Russian government approval, but plans call for a prototype to be ready by 2000 and operational plane by 2010. The plane could end up replacing the F-14, 15E, 16, 111, 117, and AV-8B. Yakovlev's contribution will be based on its
recent experience with the Yak-141 VTOL fighter.
...

Now that website may have a Russian slant so lets see what Jane's has to say:

... Lockheed Martin also turned to Russia for technical expertise, purchasing design data from Yakovlev...

I wonder what is says in Aviation Week & Space Technology 1995, v142n25, Jun 19, p. 74-77

Lockheed Martin is turning to Russia's Yakovlev Design Bureau for help in designing short takeoff/vertical landing (STOVL) aircraft for the US Joint Advanced Strike Technology (JAST) competition.

Maybe even The Hindu , 'India's National Newspaper' has something to say on the subject.

...The rise and rise of western dominance since the end of the cold war has given many in countries like India the impression that the former ``eastern bloc'', and particularly Russia, has nothing left of any scientific or technological value. It will therefore surprise many that Lockheed Martin went ahead with development of its successful JSF bid only after getting the design cleared by Russia's Yakovlev aeronautical bureau because they were so impressed by the latter's short take off and vertical landing (STOVL) prototype, the Yak 41. This naval fighter was flying a dozen years ago (!) and only an explosion on board the aircraft carrier `Sergei Gorshkov' (which the Indian Navy is in the process of purchasing) and the economic travails of the disintegrating Soviet Union stopped further development.

Now I wonder what the Google cached pages of the Airforce Magazine have on the subject

...In a postCold War irony, Lockheed Martin consulted with the Yakovlev design bureau of Russia early in the JSF design process because the Yak-141 used a similar approach, though that airplane never made it to series production...

...The swiveling rear exhaust is a licensed design from the Yakovlev design bureau in Russia, which triedit out on the Yak-141 STOVL fighter...

I wonder what they say on the actual JSF page:

...The exhaust from the engine flows through the 3 Bearing Swivel Nozzle (3BSN). The 3BSN nozzle, developed by Rolls-Royce, was patterned along the lines of the exhaust system on the Yakovlev Yak-141 STOVL prototype that flew at the 1992 Farnborough air show....

I'd suggest you also check out the French Prototypes.com website . In partuclar their (Googlised into English) pages that explain the whole process on & the evolution from the Yak-36 to the Yak-38 to the Yak-141 & finally the Yak-41 & the stillborn Yak-43, which so heavily influenced the winning JSF design that LM terminated their double diamond canard foreplane CALF/JAST program to & started all over again using the Yak-43 design they got in their technolgy tranfer agreement with Yakovlev as their new starting point.

& Too finish off, whats say we look at some profile pics

The Yak-141

The stillborn Yak-43 circa 1993

The LM X-35

It seems the LM X-35 looks a lot more like the Yak-43 than the LM's canard foreplane CALF/JAST prototype. Basically the differances are a more stealthy body, uncanted wings & a lift fan rather than a lift jet. Funny thing is back then in the early 90's the Soyuz Engine Company was right in the process of designing a shafted lift fan to replace the old Rybinsk lift jet setup. I won't even start on the vectored rear nozzle setup on the P$W 135 engine which appears to be an exact copy of the Soyuz R79 (ie I'll save the nozzle pics for another day).

Linux vs BSD - now we know the truth! :P

As the price of oil increases we will simply shift to more expensive sources which could continue for hundred of years. Note that even if we stop burning oil for fuel, we will still need it for plastics, chemicals, etc...

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I don't read the kernel mailing list. Could someone who does tell us what we have to look forward to in the 2.4 line?

hmm, neither do I, but I occasionally drop by at Kernel Traffic.
From there, I got to this patch which seems to bring some of the future features to the power-using, look-what-my-kernel-does, plus-three-frames-in-quake3 crowd.
Enjoy, I had no problems with that, although I don't leave my PC on overnight, so I can't come up with any uptime numbers.

As the filter restricts air-flow, its best to make filter quite a bit bigger than the fan.

Say you have a 80mm intake at the front, mounted to the main metal chassis. Then cut a 80mmx160mm hole in front plastic bevel, then screw in 2 80mm fab guards into the bevel & mount air-con filter foan behind the guards (mind you if you are going to modify the bevel you may as well cut a hole in the front chassis for a 12v@7v 120mm fan, so you get good cfm & good quietness)

If you have a blowhole on the side, say a 120mm fan blowhole, then you cut a 150mm hole in the side & mount a 160mm diametre 16mm or 35mm movie film tin behind the hole (the wider the better, given the clearance). The film tin should have a 150mm hole on the back & a 120mm hole on its lid. Screw the back against the inner side panel of the case, using the 4 or 2 screws that mount the 150mm fan guard you re going to have on the opening of the case. Attach a 120mm fan to the outside of the lid of the film tin, using a fan guard that's mounted in such a way (using washers or something) so its as far a from the fans intake as clearance allows. Cut a 150mm circle of air-con filter foam & stick it inside the film tin that's screwed to the side of the case - once you slide the film tin lid in place onto the film tin's back, the raised up 120mm fan guard on the fan's intake will push the filter up against the 150mm fan guard on the case's side panel, pushing it away from the fan with enough clearance so that air will be sucked throughout the breadth of the 150mm filtered hole before going through the fan. So really this is just a 150mm blowhole using a 120mm fan, where there's a movie film tin being used as a filter box, between the fan & the 'hole'.

Of course you must have enough clearance before you can use this 'movie film tin filter box' idea.

I am shocked, shocked, so see that /. wasn't voted Favorite Time-Waster.

TANJ!

Here it is as a nice link

It leaves IE for dead in many ways.

& now that MS has dumped Netscape plugins its even more compatible. Plus it has its own mail, news 'n ICQ clients built inside it.

& it gives you the choice of SDI & MDI GUIs

only in a couple of small areas does IE do better.

But a Active X Netscape plugin is being developed as we speak, so soon Opera will be Active X plugin compatible via its netscape plugin vacility.

I admit that Opera 4 was as iffy as hell, but Opera has to be the most improved browser in the last year or so.

Here's the Opera homepage.

This is a great Opera resources FAQs & tips site.

Opera is very configurable, here's how I have it configured


Here's what it looks like without the add

It leaves IE for dead in many ways.

& now that MS has dumped Netscape plugins its even more compatible. Plus it has its own mail, news 'n ICQ clients built inside it.

& it gives you the choice of SDI & MDI GUIs

only in a couple of small areas does IE do better.

But a Active X Netscape plugin is being developed as we speak, so soon Opera will be Active X plugin compatible via its netscape plugin vacility.

I admit that Opera 4 was as iffy as hell, but Opera has to be the most improved browser in the last year or so.

Here's the Opera homepage.

This is a great Opera resources FAQs & tips site.

Opera is very configurable, here's how I have it configured


Here's what it looks like without the add

The OS of the best PDAs ever, the Psion 5 & later, & the OS of choice for Motorola, Nokia & Ericson, etc, for the future

Check these links here on cellphone/PDA crossover devices

What you have to remember is, most Optus@Home (aka Excite@Home) users aren't that literate with computers. I'm pretty sure that at least 70% would fit into the "Whats this button do?" category. Sure this wont effect someone who knows what they are doing, in the short run. But, what about the falling amount of users? Australia would be left to leech of everyone else in the world because the amount of people with a decent connection would fall dramatically. Means our international links would be choked up more then they already are. Oh, and O@H is known for having lots of problems with the international links. They go down at least once a week.

Australia is in real need of a decent cable provider, one who doesn't give a f*ck what daemons your running and how many people are sharing your connection. Oh, and the recent firewall out of port 80 that O@H did. Now thats just really lame. When they firewalled out port 25, that was bad enough. Sure port 80 was firewalled out because of code red, but like in earlier slashdot posts code red could have been completely avoided if users actually looked to see if their were new patches. Exactly, how hard is it to install a patch? Even the "Whats this button do?" people should be able to do it.

Also, another thing that gets on my nerve about O@H is their coverage is absolutely sh*thouse. Usually, only those in capital citys can get O@H. Even still, if you live in an apartment block that is considered old by O@H (I think they consider old 10 years or more) you cannot get O@H unless your building has been backboned. Sure, this is reasonable, but the fact that they have backboned hardly any buildings is pathetic.

I should just move to Glebe (a suburb of Sydney) and fork out the extra cash for a link to ausbone.

The matter of fact is that at least this has shielded most of the users from external infections, but pointless when u still have users within subnet infecting each other over and over again :)

When Optus@home first came out I thought the broadband market here was finally getting somewhere but I was going to wait until ADSL came out. Telstra also claimed to be coming about with a new plan to compete with Optus, but as I expected this was a load of bullshit.

But I got sick of waiting so I contacted Cable and Wireless Optus (C&WO) to inquire about Optus@home. They got back to me a week later to say that they couldn't install to my house because there is more than one dwelling on one block. After hours of phonecalls and the fact that they installed it to one of my neighbours in the same block of townhouses they agreed to install it but then the land lord had changed her mind.

At this stage, Telstra's Cable was capped at 400kbit/sec, compared to C&WO Optus@Home cable capped at 3-4Mbps for downloads. When Telstra ADSL came out they increased this cap to 512kbit/sec and I decided that this still wasn't worth it.

Finally in late November 2000 I got an email from Primus offering me ADSL for $115 a month at 1.5Mbps with no download limit. I was a bit weary about using them from a reliability point of view but I figured that anything would be better than dialup which wasn't 100% reliable anyway. So I got it and they are about the only provider without a cap so far. Unfortunatly they don't seem to be offering the same deal anymore to new subscribers. It has had it's outages as well, but we got the first 3 months for free to comphensate for that.b

AussiePenguin
Melbourne, Australia
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All your hellmouth post are belong to JonKatz .

I made a slashdot version! Check it out:

http://members.optushome.com.au/geoffebb/misc/ayb/ slashdot_aybabtu.gif

It originates from this, of course:

http://members.optushome.com.au/geoffebb/misc/ayb/ slashdot_aybabtu.gif

Yes, it's my own work :) (well except for the Zero Wing art :P)

http://members.optushome.com.au/geoffebb/misc/ayb/ slashdot_aybabtu.gif

They are not socializing the same, and the undoubted result is the loss of things like Slashdot. There are good and bad effects here, and I think this shows how the internet can be negative - people using the internet imagine they are socializing when in fact they are not. This makes society a less sociable place, which has a number of bad effects:

List of how self-involved gaming will cause lawlessness, issolation, recession, apocolypse, and bad rashes.

There is a great online comics scene out there, and some of the best are all about modern gaming. Comics like Penny Arcade and Player vs. Player (PvP) are consistantly funny and high quality. What's more, they give a shared experience, and often foster a community.

In a bit of nostalgia-meets-the-Internet, Gamers have resurected one of the shining examples of bad localization. The folks who translated ZeroWing did an awful job, and the results are so bad they are funny. The phrases recently became popular again, and you'll hear cries of "ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US" across the Internet.

These same gamers shut off the connection for a while to fire up the photo editor and create some great parodies. Many are posted to message boards to be appreciated by fellow fans. Some of them made a dubbed version, others made a techno soundtrack (search for "Laziest Men On Mars, "All Your Base Are Belong To Us"), and others made a hilarious flash movie.

All this creativity was spawned by this later version of gamers. More that ever, I think creative people are meeting and interacting online, and the new games are, at worst, better versions of television, and, at best, a tool for creating a common experience, so that strangers can meet each other.

All this is a bit off-topic, but I think you are worried over nothing. I'm hoping they do a good job with the new TradeWars, which I remember as fondly as other Slashdotters (...in my day, 2400 baud modems, 1 hour just to download 1 meg of porn, etc...)

Cool dubbed version: HERE

LOL!

Check this one out. It's been dubbed over with real voices :)

http://members.optushome.com.au/geoffebb/misc/zero wing.mov

Numbers for Cable and ADSL to clear things up.

Optus@Home
D/L: 3Mbit/s U/L :128kbit/s
Price: $74.95/mth or $63.95/mth (No Contract)

Telstra BigPond Advance
D/L: 256kbit/s U/L: 64kbit/s
Price : $67.00
D/L: 512kbit/s U/L: 128kbit/s
Price: $72.00

Telstra ADSL
D/L: 256kbit/s U/L: 64kbit/s
Price : $78.00
D/L: 512kbit/s U/L: 128kbit/s
Price: $89.00
(Forces u to use their line for voice/analog line as well .. or else u pay an extra $14/mth)

All these prices are in $AU.

I'm a user of Optus@Home, and from those stats, seems like in terms of bandwidth Optus@Home wins by miles. And trust me, with the BigPond Advance login procedures being a hassle under linux, I'd rather stick with Optus@Home which uses plain old DHCP :)

Plus in the AUP Statement for Optus@Home, it doesn't support the use of a home network, but it's not forbidden. That is a big big plus, what is the point of cable if u can share :) hehe.

Moreover, the more disturbing fact with the ADSL rollout is that the fact that Telstra is charging their competitors $61/mth for access to one line, making it impossible to competition to have any affect on the pricing.