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Ditto, from my WinMob-based Dopod 838pro which I had from 2006 to 2010, vs every touchscreen phone I've owned since then. I send fewer and shorter emails from the phone nowadays, and even my sms messages have gotten shorter (from comfortably typing ~8 unit/1200 character messages on the Dopod to now usually staying below ~3 unit/450 character messages).

The iPhone had, as the first smartphone, a high enough PPI that you can't distinguish between pixels

Well, this phone doesn't quite match the "retinaness" of the latest iPhones (the definition seems to be pure marketing; my Transformer Infinity is not as high-PPI as the "new iPad", but according to Apple's official gospel whether a display is retina or not is both a factor of DPI and viewing distance - and I use mine almost always docked, and it has a higher PPI than the retina MacBook, so arguably it's more retina), but still manages a respectable PPI of 313. In 2007. How do you like them apples?

How about LTE or 3G?

"the ASUS Transformer Pad Infinity (TF700) is coming by the end of June in both a WiFi only and an LTE version, which will be picked up by AT&T."
via http://www.androidauthority.com/asus-google-tablet-confirmed-at-t-padfone-pad-infinity-tf700-93742/

Also: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=3640&c=asus_transformer_pad_infinity_3g_tf700tg_64gb

Since apparently VoIP doesn't count as phone capability to you, I guess I shouldn't mention the WiMax version either.

Well then would you accept the Treo 180g or Visorphone?

yeah and this and this among others.

Oh, and this, too. Round corners, by the way.

Nice try. It has the same SoC that's in the Wildfire and HTC Touch 2. Same GPU that's in the EVO and Nexus One. More RAM than the Dream/G1. 802.11n.

It doesn't have a FPU and a faster DSP like in the MSM7227... but neither did the G1. (Remember, the Dream/G1 easily qualified as a "smartphone" -- that thing was stupidly powerful and extensible for its time... it still is, actually.)

I think the only major downside to the Ideos is its awful screen resolution.

Nice try. It has the same SoC that's in the Wildfire and HTC Touch 2. Same GPU that's in the EVO and Nexus One. More RAM than the Dream/G1. 802.11n.

It doesn't have a FPU and a faster DSP like in the MSM7227... but neither did the G1. (Remember, the Dream/G1 easily qualified as a "smartphone" -- that thing was stupidly powerful and extensible for its time... it still is, actually.)

I think the only major downside to the Ideos is its awful screen resolution.

Nice try. It has the same SoC that's in the Wildfire and HTC Touch 2. Same GPU that's in the EVO and Nexus One. More RAM than the Dream/G1. 802.11n.

It doesn't have a FPU and a faster DSP like in the MSM7227... but neither did the G1. (Remember, the Dream/G1 easily qualified as a "smartphone" -- that thing was stupidly powerful and extensible for its time... it still is, actually.)

I think the only major downside to the Ideos is its awful screen resolution.

At what point does somebody with outdated information become a liar?

At the point that you presented information as if it were current when in reality it was severely out of date. That's like saying "you can't buy a laptop for less than $1000" and then trying to substitute willful ignorance for dishonesty. What? Was Google Product search not working for you until after you posted?

But I've been told the cheaper Android phones have a dated CPU and GPU, which limits the complexity of compatible games.

Pretty much any smartphone you find is going to have a 500+MHz 32-bit ARM CPU and an Adreno 200, SGX530 or better GPU. That is plenty to run a lot of 3D games or even a PlayStation emulator. GSMArena has full specs on a lot of phones and PDAdb has detailed technical information on the CPU/GPUs used in most of those phones.

Most of them appear to have no slide-out keyboard, which means gamepads like the Game Gripper won't have anything to clip to.

So use the touchscreen. You do know that you can have an onscreen gamepad, right? If you really want your Game Gripper, go buy one of the phones that they support. I know for a fact that you can buy an unlocked Motorola Backflip (which the Game Gripper site lists as compatible) for between $190 and $250.

Wait, wait. How did you go from this

Very light callers, such as those who still have a home phone, tend to stick with cheap phones on prepaid plans rather than the $40 per month plans that the major carriers push.

to this?

How much airtime do you think mom would let an elementary school student or middle school student use?

That's some mighty impressive weasly, backpedaling, contradictory doubletalk right there! So which is it? Very light callers with home phones who tend to stick with prepaid plans or heavy calling kids whose parents worry about the phone bill? If it's the former, that was already answered. If it's the latter, go get a $40/month unlimited nationwide talk/text/web plan with MetroPCS (their smartphones start at $129) or add them to a family plan with some other carrier. Either way, this is just a "think of the children" excuse that wasn't even part of your original gripe.

And when the airtime expires, does access to the home and launcher screens expire with it?

When I pull the SIM out of my phone, all of the apps except for the ones that rely upon a connection work just fine.

I've read stories about the T-Mobile G1 locking to emergency calls only, and no apps, if the SIM isn't valid.

You are talking about a single, already crippled, carrier locked phone that came out almost two and a half years ago. Yeah, surely all smartphones must react the same way as one phone that you "read stories" about.

The Google product pages fail to specify whether a particular phone has a removable battery.

Why can't you do a normal Google, Youtube or GSMArena search on the exact model that you are interested in? Or maybe lookup the phone information on the manufacturer site or just ask them?

Did you mean a spare external battery that plugs into the phone's charge port?

That could work too.

Good to know, I hated to think there was a marketing team anywhere that thought this was a good idea. I don't know who raised this trial balloon but it seems to be punctured pretty well now.

Yeah...

We [Qualcomm] backed up Android early on because we saw, in the union of Google and Linux, the Next Big Thing to take on what was at the time an extremely Apple-dominated market... But it would be a mistake to think that we threw our whole weight behind it. We threw a little party when the first "Google Phone" from HTC came out and the (relatively small) Qualcomm Android team announced their success, then we got right back to work making chips for everybody else in the world.

Besides, we designed the Snapdragon ARM processor to be used with/by just about anything -- hence the ARM standard. Most of the Snapdragon smartphones on the market at the moment are Android based, thanks to the greater mobility of the OS, but there are plenty of Windows-based Snapdragon smartphones out there.

Good to know, I hated to think there was a marketing team anywhere that thought this was a good idea. I don't know who raised this trial balloon but it seems to be punctured pretty well now.

Yeah...

We [Qualcomm] backed up Android early on because we saw, in the union of Google and Linux, the Next Big Thing to take on what was at the time an extremely Apple-dominated market... But it would be a mistake to think that we threw our whole weight behind it. We threw a little party when the first "Google Phone" from HTC came out and the (relatively small) Qualcomm Android team announced their success, then we got right back to work making chips for everybody else in the world.

Besides, we designed the Snapdragon ARM processor to be used with/by just about anything -- hence the ARM standard. Most of the Snapdragon smartphones on the market at the moment are Android based, thanks to the greater mobility of the OS, but there are plenty of Windows-based Snapdragon smartphones out there.

Wrong. You said "NO ONE (AFAIK) made a screen that was 320x480 and within two years AFTER the iPhone's introduction we saw screens of that EXACT size from Palm"

A simple Google search would have revealed that Palm devices have run 320x480 screens since 2002. Tens of devices of this screen resolution were released. I present one of the first,
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1195&c=sony_clie_peg-nr70v

Have you heard about the Lenovo LePhone, launching in May? You may be in luck. This may be as close to perfection as we're likely to see in the near future:

Lenovo LePhone launching in Le May
Specs

I'm in exactly the same boat as you, and have been waiting for the right Android phone to come along here in China. Check out the specs: it has 3G (whole bunch of cellular bands supported), A-GPS, and Wi-fi. It even has an unique optional removable hardware keyboard option, the practical utility of which remains to be seen, but it's a cool idea.

The fact that it's from Lenovo is a plus in my eyes, as I like the solid feeling of the hardware on their ThinkPads.

Not the OP, but not all ARMs are created equal after all. Obviously the CPU frequency is different, though that's true for the iPhone OS platform as well. But some quick research (this page is pretty nice for pulling up CPU details) shows no less than five different CPUs* in Android devices. Not sure how large the differences are in practice, but for instance the Snapdragon supports the ARMv7 instruction set, three are ARMv6. One is ARMv5. Some seem to have specialized coprocessors, others don't.

* Qualcomm Snapdragon, ESM7225, MSM7627, Samsung S3C6410, Marvell PXA310

I second everything that Tubmleweed mentioned since it's dead-on accurate. The real debate is between Verizon (great coverage) versus Sprint (great 3G speed), with AT&T and T-Mobile being runners up.

Be aware that if you plan to "tether" (connect your phone to your computer to let your computer have wireless Internet access over your phone) then Sprint will allow you to do that for free as long as you have an existing unlimited data plan ($15 for base plans or included in new plans), but Verizon will try to charge you per-megabyte costing you hundreds of dollars a month once they find out. Also be aware that Sprint also includes "Any Mobile-to-Mobile" add-on in many of their plans calling any of your friends on any mobile network completely free.

The iPhone is no longer a booster to AT&T's service since there are other alternative phones out or about to come out this year to rival the iPhone. T-Mobile is a company that has changed names three times already always hiding from a bad rep but trying to make money on we-cut-our-own-throat prices.

Some HTC phones that are are out already for Sprint and Verizon networks (both CDMA based) and are also GSM six-band phones so you have international usage, or additionally if they are Hard-SPL flashed, Secure Unlocked, and flashed with a custom WU World Unlocked Radio they can use US mobile carrier SIM cards letting you use AT&T, T-Mobile, or other carriers with regular or pre-paid SIM cards. You simply let the phone choose the network automatically by availability or manually by switching between CDMA and GSM only modes on the phone.

This CDMA & GSM access makes these phones almost universal in usage since they are carrier independent. On top of this you can flash them with tons of custom ROMs giving you access to all versions of Microsoft Windows Mobile 6.1 and 6.5 already including tons of custom applications written for these operating systems. You can even build your own custom ROMs from "kitchens" customizing the settings, drivers, and software available on these phones. They sell for $325-350 on eBay and can be activated with either carrier without a contract. Be sure to only by the Sprint or Verizon (CDMA & GSM enabled) HTC Touch Pro 2 phones and not the AT&T or T-Mobile (GSM only) since you won't have access to both wireless network types and the GSM only phones have a slower processor.

HTC Touch Pro 2 (aka RhodiumW) - 2 x CDMA, 6 x GSM, 480x800, 528MHz, 288/512 MB
Sprint - HTC Touch Pro 2
Verizon - HTC Touch Pro 2

Websites that you must visit.

XDA-Developers.com
PPCGeeks

If you can wait a bit longer and wish to spend $750 or more then you can consider this phone.

HTC HD2 or wait for the predicted but not confirmed HTC HD2 Pro (with keyboard and CDMA later this year).

I second everything that Tubmleweed mentioned since it's dead-on accurate. The real debate is between Verizon (great coverage) versus Sprint (great 3G speed), with AT&T and T-Mobile being runners up.

Be aware that if you plan to "tether" (connect your phone to your computer to let your computer have wireless Internet access over your phone) then Sprint will allow you to do that for free as long as you have an existing unlimited data plan ($15 for base plans or included in new plans), but Verizon will try to charge you per-megabyte costing you hundreds of dollars a month once they find out. Also be aware that Sprint also includes "Any Mobile-to-Mobile" add-on in many of their plans calling any of your friends on any mobile network completely free.

The iPhone is no longer a booster to AT&T's service since there are other alternative phones out or about to come out this year to rival the iPhone. T-Mobile is a company that has changed names three times already always hiding from a bad rep but trying to make money on we-cut-our-own-throat prices.

Some HTC phones that are are out already for Sprint and Verizon networks (both CDMA based) and are also GSM six-band phones so you have international usage, or additionally if they are Hard-SPL flashed, Secure Unlocked, and flashed with a custom WU World Unlocked Radio they can use US mobile carrier SIM cards letting you use AT&T, T-Mobile, or other carriers with regular or pre-paid SIM cards. You simply let the phone choose the network automatically by availability or manually by switching between CDMA and GSM only modes on the phone.

This CDMA & GSM access makes these phones almost universal in usage since they are carrier independent. On top of this you can flash them with tons of custom ROMs giving you access to all versions of Microsoft Windows Mobile 6.1 and 6.5 already including tons of custom applications written for these operating systems. You can even build your own custom ROMs from "kitchens" customizing the settings, drivers, and software available on these phones. They sell for $325-350 on eBay and can be activated with either carrier without a contract. Be sure to only by the Sprint or Verizon (CDMA & GSM enabled) HTC Touch Pro 2 phones and not the AT&T or T-Mobile (GSM only) since you won't have access to both wireless network types and the GSM only phones have a slower processor.

HTC Touch Pro 2 (aka RhodiumW) - 2 x CDMA, 6 x GSM, 480x800, 528MHz, 288/512 MB
Sprint - HTC Touch Pro 2
Verizon - HTC Touch Pro 2

Websites that you must visit.

XDA-Developers.com
PPCGeeks

If you can wait a bit longer and wish to spend $750 or more then you can consider this phone.

HTC HD2 or wait for the predicted but not confirmed HTC HD2 Pro (with keyboard and CDMA later this year).

I second everything that Tubmleweed mentioned since it's dead-on accurate. The real debate is between Verizon (great coverage) versus Sprint (great 3G speed), with AT&T and T-Mobile being runners up.

Be aware that if you plan to "tether" (connect your phone to your computer to let your computer have wireless Internet access over your phone) then Sprint will allow you to do that for free as long as you have an existing unlimited data plan ($15 for base plans or included in new plans), but Verizon will try to charge you per-megabyte costing you hundreds of dollars a month once they find out. Also be aware that Sprint also includes "Any Mobile-to-Mobile" add-on in many of their plans calling any of your friends on any mobile network completely free.

The iPhone is no longer a booster to AT&T's service since there are other alternative phones out or about to come out this year to rival the iPhone. T-Mobile is a company that has changed names three times already always hiding from a bad rep but trying to make money on we-cut-our-own-throat prices.

Some HTC phones that are are out already for Sprint and Verizon networks (both CDMA based) and are also GSM six-band phones so you have international usage, or additionally if they are Hard-SPL flashed, Secure Unlocked, and flashed with a custom WU World Unlocked Radio they can use US mobile carrier SIM cards letting you use AT&T, T-Mobile, or other carriers with regular or pre-paid SIM cards. You simply let the phone choose the network automatically by availability or manually by switching between CDMA and GSM only modes on the phone.

This CDMA & GSM access makes these phones almost universal in usage since they are carrier independent. On top of this you can flash them with tons of custom ROMs giving you access to all versions of Microsoft Windows Mobile 6.1 and 6.5 already including tons of custom applications written for these operating systems. You can even build your own custom ROMs from "kitchens" customizing the settings, drivers, and software available on these phones. They sell for $325-350 on eBay and can be activated with either carrier without a contract. Be sure to only by the Sprint or Verizon (CDMA & GSM enabled) HTC Touch Pro 2 phones and not the AT&T or T-Mobile (GSM only) since you won't have access to both wireless network types and the GSM only phones have a slower processor.

HTC Touch Pro 2 (aka RhodiumW) - 2 x CDMA, 6 x GSM, 480x800, 528MHz, 288/512 MB
Sprint - HTC Touch Pro 2
Verizon - HTC Touch Pro 2

Websites that you must visit.

XDA-Developers.com
PPCGeeks

If you can wait a bit longer and wish to spend $750 or more then you can consider this phone.

HTC HD2 or wait for the predicted but not confirmed HTC HD2 Pro (with keyboard and CDMA later this year).

I know nothing about quantum well diodes, but the screens are already LED on virtually all smart phones.

Get your facts straight, almost every phone out there is still using a thin film transistor (TFT) LCD screen, including iPhone, Palm Pre, HTC G1.
The only smart phone I know that uses an LED screen is the Samsung Galaxy (color AM-OLED)
There might be a handful more, but nowhere near virtually all.

Good points...
 
I've had a G1 since they became available in the UK last November.
 
It's been a bittersweet experience, but I try to remember I'm judging three entities as one thing - Google, T-Mobile, and HTC.
 
Android seems a good, solid mobile OS - even if it doesn't have the interface aesthetics of the iPhone [ Big G : are talented graphic designers _that_ expensive? ]. T-Mobile 3G is mostly good, but can be patchy. In central London, though? Irritating.
 
HTC seems to be the weakest link... The hardware does feel cheap. A bit snapped off long ago - the silly USB cover panel. As others have mentioned, the lack of headphone jack is annoying. Sure, you can get an adapter for a few bucks on EBay. I'm on my fifth now... they just fall apart. If you want one that lets you charge USB and listen to music, you need a larger one. An extra chunky appendage on an already chunky handset that would send shudders of revulsion through Cupertino.
 
The battery life limits the usefulness of the device. Reading books on the web [O'R Safari mobile - great] and listening to music in the background, I can expect three to four hours. I haven't compared that to the stamina of the iPhone. Perhaps it's par for the course. I've taken to carrying one of these around with me.
 
The slide out keyboard is useful if I have a SSH session with ConnectBot, and also email, but for simpler text input (search, etc), I like the new on-screen keyboard. Pinpoint accuracy not needed... prod in roughly the same area as your letter, and it will offer word suggestions that are quite accurate after a few letters. The slide-out keyboard can be annoying. In some light conditions, the key background illumination is so bright that you can't actually see the keycaps. Crazy stuff.
 
The default music player looks like someone hacked it together over a weekend. Laughable compared to iTunes. Thankfully, Spotify mobile was launched last Monday. It's fantastic.... very slick. Who can resist carrying 5 million tracks around? :-) And of course, it just carries on playing in the background should you want to spend time in the browser (which the iPhone version can't). It's early days for mobile music streaming, of course, but the offline playlists work like a charm if you don't have signal or want to save the battery.
 
I hope the above doesn't sound too negative... I really am confident in the Android platform. I'm looking forward to the handsets due to emerge next year... perhaps I'll be offered an upgrade. At that point, my G1 is granted admittance to my dusty smartphone museum, to join the Nokia Communicator 9000, 9200, Palm Treo 600 & 650, and the Blackberry. Oh well, at least they're getting smaller....

I'm not quite sure how you get Qualcom CDMA phones to work on a GSM network.

Use something like the Qualcomm MSM7600 chipset in the new HTC Touch Pro 2, which provides a quad-band GSM as well as CDMA radio. Now, carriers preferring lock-in will undoubtedly disable either the GSM or the CDMA functionality of the phone in firmware (or use another Qualcomm single-radio chipset such as the MSM7200), but it is *technically* possible to do, and may become a reality given some clever firmware hacking. Or maybe if you just buy the international, unlocked version.

Pare away the heat sink and all that junk, add super small RAM and flash storage and ... hand held computers (like the article notes from Toshiba). Microsoft better not be resting on its laurels and should either be beefing up Windows Mobile or porting Windows 7 to ARM ... or they're going to miss out big time again.

People keep saying this sort of thing, but I really don't see it being viable. A Snapdragon is probably going to end up being at best the same speed as an Atom for native code. Windows 7 is probably quite portable and from the tests I've done on the Beta on Atoms might run quite okish on an 1Ghz Snapdragon if it were ported. Even there we're talking about a 1Ghz in order core with a memory controller designed for cellphone SDRAM. High performance desktop memory is really different to the stuff used in cellphones - the buses are narrower and slower. Here's are the details for an Atom

http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLB73

Note the bus speed, 533Mhz and the cache size, 512KB. By desktop standards the Atom is slow. Most Arm systems run memory much slower than this and have less cache. Look at the Snapdragon based Toshiba L01

http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1855&view=1&c=toshiba_l01

It uses "mobile DDR SDRAM". I don't know the clock speed, but look at this

http://www.eetasia.com/ART_8800457078_499486_NP_197bb814.HTM
Hynix claims 'fastest' 512Mbit mobile DDR SDRAM with a 185Mhz clock speed.

See the thing is that the sort of memory you get in a cellphone is a lot slower than the stuff you get in a desktop because the power budget is so much less. If you want to run desktop applications or emulate an x86 that will really bite you.

Once you get past the OS it gets worse. Office is probably less portable than Windows and Office 200x runs terribly on an Atom and would be worse on Snapdragon given the lower performance memory. Most Windows applications will not be ported and will run even worse in emulation - a Snapdragon emulating x86 will be unusably slow.

Of course maybe ARM will do a Jazelle style extension where common x86 instructions are turned into ARM ones via an extra pipeline stage. I think that would mean a Snapdragon chip would run x86 code say 90% as fast as an Atom at the same clockspeed. Still a 1Ghz Atom is not a quick chip.

The Alphasmart Neo is a useful device that apparently runs on a Motorola DragonBall chip running at 16Mhz and change. http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=c68328ez It runs for 700 hours on three 2AA batteries. Of course, it doesn't do much. http://www.flickr.com/search/groups/?q=motherboard&w=39436080%40N00&m=pool

The iPhone uses a Samsung S5L8900 ARM chipset, which has 32 kilobytes of Level 1 cache. I don't think that's much of an advantage over its competitors. (Hint: you mean "cachet".)

From his post, the only size-related thing is its flash vs. the hard drive of the iPhone.

That would make it SMALLER.

Except that the iPhone doesn't have a hard drive; it has flash. The specs for the HTC P4550 say it's 59x112x19 mm, 190 g with battery. The specs for the iPhone say it's 61x115x11.6mm, so the iPhone is a little longer and wider and a little thinner, and it weighs 135 g (and the battery's attached to the motherboard, so presumably that's "with battery"), so the iPhone is a little lighter.

Heaven forbid anyone ever compare Apple's $500 wonder to a like-priced device from another manufacturer. Why does everyone coo over the cruddy screen, when I can get 640x480 and 800x480 screens on other smart phones?

T-Mobile Ameo, 640x480 screen and real 3G broadband speeds.

Or wait awhile and pick up a phone in the I-Mate Ultra line. They all look sexy, and they all have a screen that blows the iPhone out of the water. And of course they all support real 3G speeds as well.

Or heck, just never get lost again.

All those prices by the way? Unlocked phones. If you are going to sign up for a contract, why pay $500 for a phone, when you can get a high quality (albeit not top of the line) Windows Mobile phone for under $100.

Hell, don't like Windows Mobile? Go with Symbian. They have some high-res devices that are a lot cheaper than $500.

For $500 you could almost BUILD your own cell phone and get something far more capable then what Apple is dishing out. Does anybody know of an after market supplier of GSM or CDMA chips? :-D

Heaven forbid anyone ever compare Apple's $500 wonder to a like-priced device from another manufacturer. Why does everyone coo over the cruddy screen, when I can get 640x480 and 800x480 screens on other smart phones?

T-Mobile Ameo, 640x480 screen and real 3G broadband speeds.

Or wait awhile and pick up a phone in the I-Mate Ultra line. They all look sexy, and they all have a screen that blows the iPhone out of the water. And of course they all support real 3G speeds as well.

Or heck, just never get lost again.

All those prices by the way? Unlocked phones. If you are going to sign up for a contract, why pay $500 for a phone, when you can get a high quality (albeit not top of the line) Windows Mobile phone for under $100.

Hell, don't like Windows Mobile? Go with Symbian. They have some high-res devices that are a lot cheaper than $500.

For $500 you could almost BUILD your own cell phone and get something far more capable then what Apple is dishing out. Does anybody know of an after market supplier of GSM or CDMA chips? :-D

We have an HTC X7500 Advantage at work for testing purposes. The X7500 is identical to the X7501 save for the OS. X7501 ships with Windows Mobile 6. However, both of them are far too large and bulky to compete directly with the iPhone. For that, you want the HTC Touch P3450. We have several of these at work, and at half the cost of an iPhone and no operator lock-in, I much prefer it to the iPhone. The HTC Touch has .NET CF 2.0 SP2 in ROM, so it's a great development platform for homebrew apps.

We have an HTC X7500 Advantage at work for testing purposes. The X7500 is identical to the X7501 save for the OS. X7501 ships with Windows Mobile 6. However, both of them are far too large and bulky to compete directly with the iPhone. For that, you want the HTC Touch P3450. We have several of these at work, and at half the cost of an iPhone and no operator lock-in, I much prefer it to the iPhone. The HTC Touch has .NET CF 2.0 SP2 in ROM, so it's a great development platform for homebrew apps.

We have an HTC X7500 Advantage at work for testing purposes. The X7500 is identical to the X7501 save for the OS. X7501 ships with Windows Mobile 6. However, both of them are far too large and bulky to compete directly with the iPhone. For that, you want the HTC Touch P3450. We have several of these at work, and at half the cost of an iPhone and no operator lock-in, I much prefer it to the iPhone. The HTC Touch has .NET CF 2.0 SP2 in ROM, so it's a great development platform for homebrew apps.

and then again, it may not be the first.

VGA smartphones: http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdalist&list=vga

even higher res smartphones: http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdalist&list=vgap lus

Of course, being open source there's no promise that you'll ever have any decent reader to get locked into.

and then again, it may not be the first.

VGA smartphones: http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdalist&list=vga

even higher res smartphones: http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdalist&list=vgap lus

Of course, being open source there's no promise that you'll ever have any decent reader to get locked into.

You obviously have not been paying attention to the latest HSDPA celphones such as the upcoming HTC Kaiser. The successor to the HTC TyTN aka Cingular 8525.

It uses Qualcomm's variation of the ARM cpu with Qualcomm's media accelerator and Qualcomm's A-GPS chip in one.

Most of the these new UMTS/HSDPA phones are tri-band (2100 + 850/1900MHz) http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdalist&list=phone3g, or use the PDAmaster link and search for just UMTS 850/1900/2100, and quad-band GSM (true world-phones) so any using that Qualcomm chipset are screwed for their upcoming June through October release dates.

You obviously have not been paying attention to the latest HSDPA celphones such as the upcoming HTC Kaiser. The successor to the HTC TyTN aka Cingular 8525.

It uses Qualcomm's variation of the ARM cpu with Qualcomm's media accelerator and Qualcomm's A-GPS chip in one.

Most of the these new UMTS/HSDPA phones are tri-band (2100 + 850/1900MHz) http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdalist&list=phone3g, or use the PDAmaster link and search for just UMTS 850/1900/2100, and quad-band GSM (true world-phones) so any using that Qualcomm chipset are screwed for their upcoming June through October release dates.

You obviously have not been paying attention to the latest HSDPA celphones such as the upcoming HTC Kaiser. The successor to the HTC TyTN aka Cingular 8525.

It uses Qualcomm's variation of the ARM cpu with Qualcomm's media accelerator and Qualcomm's A-GPS chip in one.

Most of the these new UMTS/HSDPA phones are tri-band (2100 + 850/1900MHz) http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdalist&list=phone3g, or use the PDAmaster link and search for just UMTS 850/1900/2100, and quad-band GSM (true world-phones) so any using that Qualcomm chipset are screwed for their upcoming June through October release dates.

A few HTC Smart Phones use Qualcomm Chips IIRC. The new HTC Kaiser (slide out keyboard w/flip up screen, GPS, WM 6) has a Qualcomm Chip core powering it, doing the GPS and also Graphics, so unless this is overturned people in the states are going to miss out on a funky little device.