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Relevant to the discussion: English has hundreds of thousands of words. Some dictionaries have 500,000 words. Some estimate there are nearly 1,000,000 words in the language.

I'm reasonably sure that's a significantly higher word count than most, if not all, other languages. I know it's hard for some people to admit there are any advantages to being an english speaker (especially an anglo saxon one) but it just might be true on occasion.

I'd search for more substantiation than this slate article, but it's late and I should go to bed.

http://www.slate.com/id/2139611/

Actually, I did screw up on the chinese maglev. The figure was what they thought it would cost. It ended up being 1.2 billion over 20 miles ( 60,000,000 / miles ).

In addition, the GA maglev/highspeed monorail was what GA thought it would cost. Until they install one, who knows. But the GA was a direct rip-off of the Colorado monorail, and the values that CIFGA came up with, match what GA is showing on their small test track.

in part cause the DEA got $500.00 bills quashed years ago...

I knew I'd read this before- and I found details readily.. multiple sources exist,
this is a good one from 2004
http://slate.com/id/2111504/

"But among a subset of global cash connoisseurs, the dollar is losing ground to the euro--"

"Finally, in the past two years, euros have also become easier to carry, store, and hide than dollars. Generally, the largest denomination of U.S. currency readily available is the $100 bill. But in the past two years, the European Central Bank has started to print 200-euro and 500-euro bills. These larger bills thus allow for the concentration of wealth in smaller packages. At today's rates, a 500-euro note is worth $682."

Funny how most of the people who say that the US is a police state are Americans who've never actually been to or met anyone who has lived in a real police states.

You're totally right. Those other repressive regimes operate secret prisons where people are whisked away without being formally charged and then they're tortured for supposed information. Nobody even knows how many of those prisons exist or how many prisoners are in them. And then their own government completely monitors all their 'private' communications without warrants or any reasonable cause to suspect them of wrong-doing.

Fortunately, we've got a constitution that protects Americans from living under such a 'police state.'

Seth

...the authors are 95 percent confident that the war-caused deaths totaled some number between 8,000 and 194,000. (The number cited in plain language--98,000--is roughly at the halfway point in this absurdly vast range.)

This isn't an estimate. It's a dart board.

Now, that addresses the 2004 study, not the 2006 study, I know. The 2006 study still had a wide margin on either side of that number, though, and who knows how much they "cooked the books."

But my objection to you is that you blame American soldiers, directly, for killing them. I would imagine that the vast majority of civilian deaths are the results of terrorists and other unlawful combatants. Many "civilians" that you are concerned about are no doubt terrorists themselves, since they are not part of a regular army.

Picking on the CC seems like a bad example to me. As alluded too, I think the guys that run the CC would be the first to admit that theres problems to iron out.

But it would seem the far bigger problem is getting more people generating CC (or equally fair-use friendly) content. My company does CC-BY-SA Travel information (travel guides and restaurant reviews) and truth is it sucks. We are just starting out, so I suppose its to be expected on our end, but even the biggest player is bad compared to commercially licensed content. Theres actually a great article here some guy wrote about how horrible copyleft travel information is compared to commercially generated information.

In my opinion we first need to get more people actually generating copy left style content thats inherently more fair use friendly, before we quabble about problems with the license. Even in your own example with the albums, if there were 60,000 albums licensed CC-BY instead of 60, your impression conceivably would have been much different.

If I ever find out I've been taking the second-best medicine so my doctor can get free trips, yes, I would sue.

It will not only perk interest in the sciences, but has also been shown to increase literacy.

Be prepared for resistance though, as schools are still a female-dominated sector, and sexist sterotypes are as strong as ever. You don't want to become the next whipping boy like Larry Summers.

TMI and Chernobyl revealed classes of nuclear disasters that the industry had said were not supposed to occur. There were so many safeguards and so much redundancy that meltdowns simply couldn't happen. Well, they did. The reactor designs (two very different designs in these cases) both implied that meltdown and release of radioactive gas, water vapor, (and in the case of a full meltdown the radioactive elements used as fuel) was inevitable if the redundant cooling systems failed.

The human cost of Chernobyl was quite a bit higher than people realize. Given that both of these disasters were far smaller than they could have been, that cost should be sobering.

Chernobyl Legacy, a photo essay by Paul Fusco

New reactor designs might make the risk/reward trade off for fission power more reasonable. (See: New use for nuclear waste) However, the designs from the sixties and seventies that are running today really ought not be near cities or in areas where it would suck to have to fence off a couple hundred square miles for a few centuries after a disaster.

Now, what if I bought a billboard that said "Vote Libertarian," which is what the back of my iPod says? What is the difference except that the Daily Kos buys electrons to send its message and I buy ink molecules? The intent is the same.

You've got it all wrong. The problem isn't that Markos is paying money to put out his opinion, Dailykos sells favorable coverage to candidates. His opinion is for sale.

And when a candidate pays money to get the message out, there are rules & regulations to follow.

DailyKos even admits that he sells favorable coverage.

I suspect if the DailyKos is receiving actual money from it's candidates, it's no longer exempt.

What would have clearly moved this out of the troll category is some substantiation to the claim that this is a paid advertiser, not a volunteer.

Nothing wrong with paid advertising, provided it is clearly labelled as advertising.

Dailykos takes money for favorable coverage in its articles. Kos even admits it.

I suspect if the DailyKos is receiving actual money from it's candidates, it's no longer exempt.

What would have clearly moved this out of the troll category is some substantiation to the claim that this is a paid advertiser, not a volunteer.

Kos has even admitted it. What more do you want?

Which seems to imply that if Kos had provided an in-kind service the ruling may have been different.

Did you know Kos is often paid for his services?

The reason he endorses particular democratic candidates is that they pay him to do so.

The reason he endorses particular democratic candidates is that they pay him to do so, and he doesn't always disclose it.

That moves away from opinion & editorial to paid advertising. And there are rules on paid election advertising.

Here's an article in which it's argued that Scientology is not a cult: http://www.slate.com/id/2171416/

It doesn't so much make Scientology look better, as make other religions look bad...


Of course Scientology isn't a cult. It's a Pyramid Scheme. L. Ron Hubbard just decided to add some excerpts from his shitty books to make it sound all SCI-MYSTICAL. Wooooo~.

OK. I visited your links. Now I have to wonder if he's a fifth-columnist, in which case I'd have to say, "Nicely done!"

But see posts later in the discussion, regarding a Slate post that CoS isn't any weirder than others, just newer.
http://www.slate.com/id/2171416/

At some level, religion of any stripe disturbs me, as I see it all as both irrational and irrelevant. That said, at least some religions seem able to at least maintain a bit of dignity in their celebrations, and not *completely* insult the intelligence of their followers. I thought lost tribes of Israel present in central America (contrary to genetic evidence, but then we're not speaking of people who would believe in genetics), and wearing underwear that seems to serve the function of a wearable Post It note was a bit odd.

Now I'm trying to quantify the limits of weird, thinking of how reincarnation would rate, etc. At some point, my head will explode. Have you seen Tim Burton's _Mars Attacks_? Yeah, like that.

Here's an article in which it's argued that Scientology is not a cult: http://www.slate.com/id/2171416/

It doesn't so much make Scientology look better, as make other religions look bad...

The Smart may be safe on a track, or in a crowd of other Smarts and other similar sized vehicles, but would you *really* want to be in one knowing the soccer mom behind you is driving a SUV that is too heavy for local road/traffic use, while talking on her cell phone, texting her BFF Jill, drinking her $12 starbucks almost-but-not-quite-completely-unlike-coffee drink, and worrying about her precious unique snowflakes who are fighting over what DVD to watch in the back seat?

That "champion of Christian morality"?

Insert Dermot Morgan's "C.J. Haughey" voice: "You Two? Four tuneless gobshites who couldn't hit a cow's arse with a guitar."

You are mischaracterizing what I wrote. I said that the Administration promoted torture, which it did (although I probably should have linked to this Bybee memo to Gonzales instead of the other one, which was my error). As for Gonzales, you did not quote the full language; before the part about commissary privileges, he wrote, "The nature of the new war [on terrorism] places a high premium on other factors, such as the ability to quickly obtain information from captured terrorists and their sponsors in order to avoid further atrocities against American civilians, and the need to try terrorists for war crimes such as wantonly killing civilians. In my judgment, this new paradign renders obsolete Geneva's strict limitations on questioning of enemy prisoners...." What could that mean other than that he felt formerly prohibited methods of interrogation, meaning torture, were now allowable?

The need to absolutely renounce torture as a methodology is not grounded in law but in common sense. Not only doesn't it work as a means of getting reliable information (just ask Porter Goss), but it removes any moral arguments to having Americans (both soldiers and civilians) tortured in return. Even Gonzales' memo points out that "[t]he United States could not invoke the [Geneva Conventions on the treatment of prisoners of war] if enemy forces threatened to mistreat or mistreated U.S. or colation [sic] forces captured during operations in Afghanistan, or if they denied Red Cross access or other POW privileges." For the White House counsel to advocate this is bad enough. When that same official becomes the Attorney General, the *symbol* of justice and respect for law, it goes beyond the pale.

As for Guantanamo, I don't think we should have a facility like that at all. If these people are criminals, try them with the full strictures of our military or civilian legal systems. If they are not, release them. If we think they're terrorists, release them and follow them. If they have been in our custody more than a few weeks or months, any information they have is stale and useless anyway.

Ours is a nation founded on principles of law rather than royal caprice, of fundamental rights of all people rather than those we like (or who are like us). Remember? "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." The rest of that Declaration is worth reading as well, particularly when it enumerates the offenses of the king. "He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:" Warrantless wiretaps, anyone? "He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation." Hmm, contractors managing the interrogation at Abu Ghraib and serving among our troops in Iraq? And as for Guantanamo, how about this pair? "For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences."

This is not America, or at least, not the America to which we should be aspiring. Secret prisons, indefinite confinement without trial or even charge, wiretapping citizens without warrants, finding "legal" justification for torture, invasions of non-belligerent nations? That's Stalin's U.S.S.R., not the country whose Constitution our president, vice president, attorney general and elected officials swear to uphold. {Prof. Jonathan}

Check out the Wiki's article on Caging Lists.
The first place I heard about them was from this Slate article, which has lots of links to supporting evidence.

http://www.slate.com/id/2167284/pagenum/all/#page_ start

It seems the original source of this was Monica Goodling, the AG's staffer who resigned and claimed executive priviledge for most answers during her congressional hearing.

Mendelson says that when he's pressing 1,000, "I can feel my bones flexing."

I always thought that bones would snap before they'd flex very far, even under a constant load.

It's true, here's an explanation of potentially why. http://www.slate.com/id/2135226/

http://www.slate.com/id/2117309

I don't believe that's correct. King Karl has always stated that this would be his last job in politics, and the letter he e-mailed around over the weekend doesn't mention a thing about 2008. I think he'll become far more preoccupied over the coming years with not going down as a laughing stock in the history books. I also think he will fail.

Wow... this... this is pretty much the most absurd thing I've read all week. The media is a "religion" and a news-anchor is our "priest" and they are "feral beasts" and I don't know what else. Lighten up on the rhetoric, you sound like a crazy-person.

First off all, do you think this a new thing? Do you think it was only recently that newspapers became biased, that people didn't try to use the media to push their POV fifty years ago? It was even worse then, because now we have so many options that we can actually form an idea of what is going on!

Listen, ass-hole reporters are the price you pay for a free media. You get the datelines, the people that infiltrate conventions and try to vilify innocent people. But you also get Nellie Bly, who infiltrated a mental hospital and reported on the horrible conditions. Sure, you get partisan hacks that try to scare you into agreeing with them, but you also get Thomas Nast, fighting an enormously corrupt regime with a few drawings, and winning. And lest you think all of these examples are are ancient ones that don't apply today, let me ask you something: if the media had been "reigned in", how would you know about NSA wiretapping program? How would know about Abu Ghraib? How would you know about any of the masses of republican scandals? The answer: you wouldn't.

It's these things that go if you start curtailing the media. If you start demanding stricter control over media, it's not going to be Bill O'Reilly who loses a job, it's going to be two young reporters in the seventies working for the Washington Post called Bernstein and Woodward.

"The cons outweigh the pros"? "More of an enemy to democracy than an ally"? What the hell are you smoking? Listen, in these days of the Bush administration, the ONLY thing that stands between him and autocracy is the media. The ONLY thing. You would sacrifice that because some dude in the media isn't playing nice? Congress may be democratic (and who can we thank for that?), but it's weak. The Supreme Court is just to the left of Joseph McCarthy. What do we have? We have the New York Times. We have 60 Minutes. We have The Daily Show. And yes, we have Slashdot.

There is a reason the media is the only industry specifically protected by the Bill of Rights.

The meanings of words change, every day. Things that meant one thing yesterday means something else today. This is not something most people understand, but it is the truth. You cannot insist on a formal code of language which is absolute because a language is a living thing. Why don't you read this fine article written by an editor of the OED. It serves as a good example of ever-changing language.

is where wikipedia is the weakest, and most prone to being jacked.

Even without viewing the stub, I recommend that any who visit the link take a long hard look at the history versioning, but even that feature can no longer be fully trusted, as methods have been implemented which allow for the removal of versioning entries by just a few of wikipedia's elites.

Of course they promise to only use that memory hole for good, not evil, and only sparingly, when the data carries with it a taint of defamation or slander, which is extra-especially sensitive when it comes to biographical data of persons living.

I immediately wonder how this could possibly apply to information regarding potential conflicts of interests between a sitting vice-president, who has a known predilection to engage in over the top vindictiveness(he may even roll your wife!), and large international corporations, who have skimmed the top of the classes from America's first-tier Law Universities for their law departments' staff.

,p>Then there is the newest trend in abuse of international tort law being played in a despicably unamerican fashion. It gives one great leverage to those whose have at their beck and call as a staff member, a retained English barrister. Contemporary Conservatism whiny relativism offers illuminative irony though, as it seems the Perles were cast a wee bit before the other swine got into the act.

The Wikimedia Foundation, in their vested survival interests, can do little else but fold. Whitewash by any other name is just a blinding.

and we have always been at war against {fill in blank}...

{sigh} you really must be new here. There's no need to be snide over a typo, and other than your pointless grammar-Nazism, you offered nothing of substance in your reply.

Your inappropriateness aside, are you actually claiming that the Federal Government does not subsidize the conversion of corn into motor fuel? Huh. That's a remarkable degree of ignorance, given the nearly forty billion dollars that Congress has given in such subsidies in the past decade. Your taxpayer dollars at work. In any event, just so you won't think that I'm making this up, there are some who would disagree with you on this subject.

Mr. Mackey's online alter ego came to light in a document made public late Tuesday by the Federal Trade Commission in its lawsuit seeking to block the Wild Oats takeover on antitrust grounds. Submitted under seal when the suit was filed in June, the filing included a quotation from the Yahoo site. An FTC footnote said, "As here, Mr. Mackey often posted to Internet sites pseudonymously, often using the name Rahodeb."

Lots of people complain about the fawning praise lavished on the iPhone by a credible press. Tom Dickson is the only person I have seen yet who was shrewd enough to co-opt this for his own gain. It's like he established a hype resonance field--taking all the iPhone puffery, squaring it, and making it his own. I'm guessing he didn't wait all night to score those two iPhones. He probably picked a couple up off eBay for two grand; that he's willing to blow half that on a 10-second video clip testifies to how much more he's getting in return.

Tom Dickson Jr., I salute you.

Armitage's comments to Woodward were in mid-June, not July. And Armitage's comments to Novak were on July 8th.

http://cbs5.com/politics/local_story_183194040.htm l

Remember that the Wilsons lied about the entire thing that started this whole process in the first place.

The British Government's own investigation into the connection confirmed the US claims on Iraq seeking nuclear material. And multiple African nations have since also confirmed attempts from the Saddam regime to seek uranium from Africa. The 9/11 report (a bipartisan commission) casts significant doubt over Wilson's 'findings' and over his methodology, as well that he lied about how his trip was arranged, by denying his wife's involvement in sending him there. They arranged for him to go there, and ask around a few questions and buy drinks for diplomats, and come home and deliver a report that jived with their own politically motivated agenda.

We all know Slate isn't exactly leaning to the right, and even their investigative reporter Christopher Hitchens came to the same conclusion. That Wilson was wrong about Nigeria and about almost everything else he has stated publicly, and not only wrong, but deliberaly dishonest.

http://www.slate.com/id/2146475/

Ted Rall in the Slate: http://cartoonbox.slate.com/tedrall/2007/06/21/

While that is true, everyone except Canadians assumes they are just an informal 51st state.

OTOH, if I were France and had behaved like they have the last 60 years, then I'd be paranoid too. http://fas.org/irp/offdocs/nsam-lbj/nsam-336.htm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ne ws/2005/03/27/wfran27.xml
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/htmlContent.jhtml?html= /archive/1998/05/28/wjup28.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osirak
http://beta.morons.org/tally-ho/article/read/11

There's plenty of stupidity in the USA too. http://www.slate.com/id/2077874/

To get HD broadcast channels, you don't need comcast's box:

http://www.slate.com/id/2167389/

The way it works is some HD channels are encrypted, and some are not. unencrypted channels can be picked up by your HD cable box via comcast, or you can just plug your cable feed into the antennae spot on an OTA tuner.

Soon you will be able to buy your own set-top, and cable-card will become more prevalent. But its soon as in, the next 10 years, not soon as in Q4. Most of the reason is the fragmented nature of cable companies. Even though most companies have merged into Comcast, Time-Warner, etc the last 10 years, there's still a ways to go. And the big companies often act disjointedly, acting one way in the northeast and another way in the south. Its hard to get everyone on an initiative as large as cable-cards.

Tim Griffin, Michael Elston, Paul McNulty, Monica Goodling
Sara Taylor, Bradley Schlozman, Steve Biskupic, Alberto Gonzalez, David Safavian, Lurita Doan, Ken Tomlinson
Tom Delay, Bob Ney, Conrad Burns, Ted Stevens, Kyle Foggo, Duke Cunningham, Brent Wilkes, Mitchell Wade, Curt Weldon, Donald Rumsfeld, Jim Tobin
Scooter Libby, Manuel Miranda, Darleen Dryun, Thomas Scully, Chuck Mcgee, Pete Domenici
Porter Goss, Brant Bassett, Virgil Goode, Katherine Harris, Jerry Lewis, Ed Buckham, Steven Griles, Mark Foley, Paul Wolfowitz, Ken Lay, Conrad Black, Douglas Feith, Richard Perle, Roger Stilwell, Tony Rudy, Jack Abramoff, Michael Scanlon, William Heaton, Adam Kidan, Neil Volz,

Tim Griffin, Michael Elston, Paul McNulty, Monica Goodling
Sara Taylor, Bradley Schlozman, Steve Biskupic, Alberto Gonzalez, David Safavian, Lurita Doan, Ken Tomlinson
Tom Delay, Bob Ney, Conrad Burns, Ted Stevens, Kyle Foggo, Duke Cunningham, Brent Wilkes, Mitchell Wade, Curt Weldon, Donald Rumsfeld, Jim Tobin
Scooter Libby, Manuel Miranda, Darleen Dryun, Thomas Scully, Chuck Mcgee, Pete Domenici
Porter Goss, Brant Bassett, Virgil Goode, Katherine Harris, Jerry Lewis, Ed Buckham, Steven Griles, Mark Foley, Paul Wolfowitz, Ken Lay, Conrad Black, Douglas Feith, Richard Perle, Roger Stilwell, Tony Rudy, Jack Abramoff, Michael Scanlon, William Heaton, Adam Kidan, Neil Volz,

hey ladies: random pointless negative asocial retards is pretty much par for the course on internet posting boards, especially when done anonymously. if you post with any regularity on the intertubes, you will get trolled, violently and personally. it's a given. it's just hot air from ignorant asocial losers

Or as I say, never attribute to bigotry, what can be explained by misanthropy.

On a more serious note, Dahlia Lithwick on Slate wrote an article that may be of interest here, about how female law students think they are being denied positions based on these postings.

It's just your standard naive extrapolation of an apparently exponential function. It never actually happens in real life, there's always a physical limit which levels off the function. In this case I suspect heat and particularly, energy production.

Then there's the fact that people are cheaper.
http://www.slate.com/id/1918

There have been entire notebook computers that have been dishwasher safe for several years now,...

Satellites don't just appear out of thin air. They have to be designed and built and tested and put onto a launch schedule.

Thanks, Ron Obvious! :P

With NASA's already anemic budget being mostly eaten up by the money pit of the ISS to keep the Russians afloat and NOAA having huge commitments all over the place (Do you know how many programs and areas of responsibility NOAA has? It's staggering.) I imagine Congress just thinks it's cheaper to pay the cost of evacuating more people over the next ten years than pay the large upfront cost for getting a new satellite out NOW. Congress decided it wasn't worth billions of dollars to prepare for a "once in 200 years" event. If it'll only happen once in 200 years, then you can stretch out the monetary damages over that time period as well (in theory). Preparing for a category 5 storm just isn't worth the cost.

They used to feel the same way about terrorist attacks. Then 3000 people got killed, and we've more than doubled the defense budget since then, to $739 billion if you count the yearly emergency funding bills. The comparable figure in 2003 was $480 billion. Meanwhile Katrina killed 1000 people, about 1/3 as long ago. Somehow we didn't react to that one. For FY 2007, NASA's budget was $16.8 billion, and NOAA's was $3.6 billion.

Even according to your own logic (which in principle, I agree with) this is ridiculous. We can afford to replace a weather satellite.

Now if we could just get mandatory picture IDs for voting, we'd eliminate nearly all of the election rigging.

One of the most interesting things occurring now is that some of the biggest proponents of the ID to vote laws are now desperately quickly backing away from their involvement/positions.

And of course, also mysteriously, the American Center for Voting Rights, the organization which was the primary force for the ID to vote laws, has disappeared.

Now if we could just get mandatory picture IDs for voting, we'd eliminate nearly all of the election rigging.

One of the most interesting things occurring now is that some of the biggest proponents of the ID to vote laws are now desperately quickly backing away from their involvement/positions.

And of course, also mysteriously, the American Center for Voting Rights, the organization which was the primary force for the ID to vote laws, has disappeared.

Sure.

After exhaustive effort, the Department of Justice discovered virtually no polling-place voter fraud, and its efforts to fire the U.S. attorneys in battleground states who did not push the voter-fraud line enough has backfired.

The American Center for Voting Rights (ACVR) popped in and out of existence a while back like a virtual particle to get everyone riled up about "voter fraud". Basically when workers are paid by the number of registrations, Mickey Mouse and Mister Magoo show up on the rolls in multiple districts and if Mister Magoo actually shows up to vote in all those districts that's "affirmative voter fraud" oh no! These dead people and cartoon characters always vote for Democrats. So we need voter ID laws and stiffer punishments for incorrect voting in case they show up, right?

There is a great article on Slate about this. The ACVR was set up by a lawyer in Saint Louis named Mark "Thor" Fernlund Hearne, II, who works for a law firm in St. Louis Missouri called Lathrop & Gage, L.C. (I just love it when guys can't say "Jr." and they try to make it into a "II".) Wikipedia's articles about both Thor Hearne and his American Center for Voting Rights have been repeatedly cleansed by somebody from an IP address in his law firm. Just look at a few of those diffs. Wikipedia is still good for some things!

I am a scientist as well, and am less convinced than you about the inevitability of our knowledge acquisition. More to the point, your 'later date' could last a *long, long* time and would put off stem cell treatments by a similarly long time. The maturity of this field is already a good ways off, and it seems asinine to delay longer out of an illogical concern for already established biological trash.

Well, yes, excepting the scientifically backwards Italian law you cited, everywhere else in the developed world, they are. You harvest 20-some odd eggs, and implant the healthiest three while eventually discarding the rest. As for Italy, that law also illegalizes donor insemination, access to reproductive techniques for single women (Single woman?, sorry no IVF for you!), and preimplantation genetic diagnosis...truly a wonderful law.

Anything to actually back up that statement? Not to mention the fact that we could just take all to-be-discarded embryos that exist right now and develop stem cell lines from those and would be in fine shape. As a scientist, I'm sure you know that ESC research doesn't depend on using a single embryo for an experiment, rather differentiatable cell lines are established from the initial cells. If Bush hadn't made his intellectually dishonest decree, we could've simply taken all IVF embryos available on that day, and likely never had to worry about it again.

You are either ignorant, or being intentionally deceptive by implying that treatments will require brand new embryos.

-Ted