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This project comes from the same nation that once had a member of senate decry renewable wind energy as dangerous because wind was a "finite resource" and we would run out of wind if we built these farms.

There is some disagreement with the context of your false claim.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-ch...

If you have any evidence that Feinstein did NOT employ a Chinese spy, feel free to post it

If you have conclusive evidence that she did, post it. Because the burden of proof is on those arguing that she did, not the other way around.

Unproven.. Even after a better-than-Kavanaugh-quality FBI investigation, so you've just gotta take them at their word. Innocent until proven guilty, drivers will be drivers, blah blah blah...

But, hey, who's gonna pay for it, amiright?

Indeed, you're right this mentality is problematic.
Cue in tons of citations from Margarett Tatcher about "running out of somebody's else monney".
Despite the fact that :
  - there are several European countries here around which managed to have successful public healthcare, without being an enconomic shit-hole.
  - the health domain is typically the situation where it will end up costing tons of money to these "somebody else"s in the long term if you don't spend a bit now in advance. (usually, prevention costs a lot less to the society than the actual handling of a disease. And that's at the society level. At the personal level it's even worse).

I know a few people who got cancer in the US - and they did not lose their house, their car, their everything. Payment plans with vastly-reduced costs were worked out, no interest, and ultimately paid off in each case

Contrary to the typical memes and beliefs, bankruptcy for medical issues is extremely rare: about 4% of all bankruptcies are due to medical costs. Given that 0.3% of households file for bankruptcy each year, and there are 126 million households in the US, that means there are about (126MM * 0.003 * 0.04) 15,000 medical bankruptcies each year in the US. Yes, a large number, but nowhere near the oft-quoted 643,000 annually (which is actually more than the number of bankruptcies filed overall).

..however: it's not enforceable, assuming the 'bot in question is realistic enough to pass muster with the average person, and the 'bot owner doesn't give a damn about the law (which a foreign operative working within the U.S. most certainly woudn't) or if it's owned by someone outside the borders of the U.S. The real solution to this problem is people need to stop believing shit they read online that's coming from 'people' they don't personally know, or at the very least they need to learn to apply some critical thinking and some basic research to verify something is factual or not. Sites like Snopes and Politifact are probably good places to start. So then the problem becomes: How do we educate the masses so they do this automatically?

If you only knew how right you were: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/russian-asbestos-trump_face

She has a trail of lies and corruption going clear back to being fired from the Watergate investigation for lying.

Speaking of lies...

Since when did the flu shot prevent people from contracting or spreading the flu? It doesn't, on either count. Especially if you are vaccinated against last year's strain, which presumably is NOT the strain that will cause a global pandemic.

Don't spread lies when people's health is at stake. When you hear talking about a flu vaccine that's for the wrong strain, it's never "useless". IN 2017, the flu shot was 30% effective. That's a huge reduction in hte number of vectors spreading the disease. And a lot of lives saved.

https://www.skepticalraptor.co...

https://www.snopes.com/fact-ch...

As described, the book was appended with a statement from Ivana Trump disavowing that she intended to use the word “rape” in its commonly understood manner (i.e., forcible sex without consent):

During a deposition given by me in connection with my matrimonial case, I stated that my husband had raped me.

I wish to say that on one occasion during 1989, Mr Trump and I had marital relations in which he behaved very differently toward me than he had during our marriage.

As a woman, I felt violated, as the love and tenderness which he normally exhibited toward me, was absent. I referred to this as a ‘rape,’ but I do not want my words to be interpreted in a literal or criminal sense.

Oh, you mean that rape that wasn't rape per the person who supposedly made the charge, and which even Snopes says wasn't rape? That rape?

Of course, so have black people:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/white-farmers-south-africa/

But of course, by the left wingers at snopes, murders of white people don't matter.

Sounds like Rep. Johnson was on (to) something!

That Road Runner tunnel accident was a hoax. https://www.snopes.com/fact-ch...

I had to search for that elephant (in my defense: phone screen). It was a minature elephant floating in the air (no cues in perspectives to estimate the distance other than 'between person and camera), unnaturally dark compared to its surroundings. In the context of detecting objects in traffic, it's li'ke being confronted with a miniature building flying in front of you without any data to estimate whether it is 10 cm and above the hood or 10 m and at 100 m distance.

How long did it take for Weinstein to face the music? That started the #MeToo movement, and after that a comedian like Louis C.K. stood no chance.

So you're arguing that because this super-rich and powerful man's well-oiled rape factory was able to operate for a long time undiscovered, that's evidence of tribalism, rather than evidence of the effectiveness of a powerful, efficient, and well-funded rape factory?

Al Franken is an illustrative example, because there was initially a lot of pushback to prop him up. But this was during the time of the Roy Moore election, so eventually he fell because it was more politically expedient to drop him.

In other words, he was pushed out in line with their morals and prinicples, but this behavior ultimately benefitted democrats so it doesn't count? No it still does. Maybe you should get your guys to try this morals and principles thing sometime if you'd like them to benefit. Or don't..who needs votes from decent people, right?

But what about Keith Ellison? Oh ho, different story here. He's deemed too important right now.

How is that an example of hypocrisy or tribalism? Trump has surrounded himself with domestic abusers, only one of which has been pushed out by incontrovertible evidence. If they were all being pushed out on allegations alone, then I could see that as a case of hypocritical behavior.

What about Roman Polanski? Remember how Hollywood stood by him?

So? He's a fugitive hiding from US law enforcement. Hollywood nutballs aren't politicians.

What about Joe Biden? As Vice President, this creepy perv got all touchy-feely with the wives, daughters, and granddaughters of Senators at a public swearing in ceremony, in front of cameras.

I haven't heard of this. Is this what you're talking about?

Is Bill Clinton still in good standing within Democrat circles?

How is this relevant? Should adulterers be treated the same as rapists and misogynists?

Why did the New York Times hire a racist to their editorial board, and then double down after being called out?

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One such recent example included the manufacturer’s labeling of equipment where the words “Master/Slave” appeared to identify the primary and secondary sources. Based on the cultural diversity and sensitivity of Los Angeles County, this is not an acceptable identification label.

Like Jill Stein's investigation that found more blue votes than there were voters.

That's total bullshit and you're a goddamn liar. The story has been debunked over and over.

"So the discrepancy, while newsworthy, had nothing to do with the number of votes tallied exceeding the number of registered voters (an impossibility in a fair election), but rather the number of voters recorded by poll workers exceeding the number of voters recorded by voting machines (a circumstance that suggested errors on the part of machines and/or human workers rather than fraud)."

https://www.snopes.com/fact-ch...

https://www.snopes.com/fact-ch...

Further, this has been an ongoing trope all throughout the Fox News era. They try to sling that bullshit every time a Democrat gets more votes than the Republican, and fact checkers have to shoot it down again and again.

https://www.factcheck.org/2013...

Like Jill Stein's investigation that found more blue votes than there were voters.

That's total bullshit and you're a goddamn liar. The story has been debunked over and over.

"So the discrepancy, while newsworthy, had nothing to do with the number of votes tallied exceeding the number of registered voters (an impossibility in a fair election), but rather the number of voters recorded by poll workers exceeding the number of voters recorded by voting machines (a circumstance that suggested errors on the part of machines and/or human workers rather than fraud)."

https://www.snopes.com/fact-ch...

https://www.snopes.com/fact-ch...

Further, this has been an ongoing trope all throughout the Fox News era. They try to sling that bullshit every time a Democrat gets more votes than the Republican, and fact checkers have to shoot it down again and again.

https://www.factcheck.org/2013...

People who like to winge about California often have never spent much time in the various parts of California.

I lived in California for all my life. I'm somewhat familiar with the Great Nanny State of California. For example, Los Angeles tried to ban IDE cables because the terms Master and Slave were used. Or San Francisco wanting to ban the Blue Angels from flying during Fleet Week for terrorizing families in neighborhoods. And don't get me started on "ban paper bags, use plastic bags instead" in the 1990's to "ban plastic bags, use paper bags and pay per bag instead" in the 2010's.

None of those issues were "solved" by NN.

Regulatory compliance comes at a cost. Whether or not you're going to do anything which would be bad for your customers (who are the people you're having to convince to pay you for your services), you're still required to do all the paperwork and comply with all the whims of the regulators.

Also, if you're pointing at Portugal, that just shows you're getting your news from somewhere you should start ignoring.

but that does not mean that DeSantis was trying to refer to race

And yet, not two days later we learn that DeSantis just quit a racist Facebook group that he claims he was "unwittingly" an admin of.

https://www.snopes.com/news/20...

Sometimes, you just have to use a little common sense. DeSantis spent more time at Ivy League schools than he did in the Navy.

A plan for emergency services would by necessity have to involve planning for contengencies during emergencies.

It was Verizon's policy to remove caps when contacted during emergency situations, and they did not follow that policy. Verizon has admitted that it was their mistake.

Please provide a cite for your assertion that Democratic politicians were spreading anti-gay rhetoric as part of their platforms in the 90's and early 2000s.

Homosexuals don't deserve the same rights.

Homosexuals should be ashamed of what they are.

As a bonus:
Racism from the left.

Donald Trump approving of LGBT.

The left wanting Donald Trump to be bigoted towards LGBT.

There's enough to criticize without hiding the Democrat's bigotry and inventing bigotry from Trump. People stopped believing the boy who cried wolf and Democrats lost the last election because of it.

Stay in the real world or risk 8 years of President Donald Trump.

It's a well-known urban legend.

Electoral College, learn about it, and realize that they aren't making a vote, they are fulfilling a role, and that each and every state has chosen to follow the vote of the people in the state, with the only slight differences being the cases of Maine and Nebraska, and even that's had minimal impact. States deciding to choose electors based on anything else would be a laughable outcome, and they just aren't going to do it. And they don't cotton too well to people who don't fall in line. As a result, the reality is? The Electoral College is just a pro forma sham, that doesn't really matter except to distort public interaction, and Donald Trump lost the real vote that matters, that of the people.

Then he lied about it. Which just shows his own deceptive practices, because even he admitted that the popular vote was what he considered important. People who try to ignore the popular vote (mostly ones that lose it) and rely on the Electoral College, are so deeply wrong, that they don't ever want to admit it. Some of them, like yourself, even make up sham excuses about how somehow the Electoral College does something to protect small states. They're wrong too.

I'm sorry, Lynnwood Rooster, I know you are committed in your partisan myopia to a complete and utter defense of the Electoral College, today, but since I also know you would completely change your tune if the circumstances were different, it's not exactly persuasive. You're not committed to any kind of moral position, you will simply believe you are at war with EastAsia, that the chocolate ration has increased, and that wrapping yourself in the Constitution will justify any malfeasance.

At least you're committed to that, so we know what you'll keep on doing.

Electoral College, learn about it, and realize that they aren't making a vote, they are fulfilling a role, and that each and every state has chosen to follow the vote of the people in the state, with the only slight differences being the cases of Maine and Nebraska, and even that's had minimal impact. States deciding to choose electors based on anything else would be a laughable outcome, and they just aren't going to do it. And they don't cotton too well to people who don't fall in line. As a result, the reality is? The Electoral College is just a pro forma sham, that doesn't really matter except to distort public interaction, and Donald Trump lost the real vote that matters, that of the people.

Then he lied about it. Which just shows his own deceptive practices, because even he admitted that the popular vote was what he considered important. People who try to ignore the popular vote (mostly ones that lose it) and rely on the Electoral College, are so deeply wrong, that they don't ever want to admit it. Some of them, like yourself, even make up sham excuses about how somehow the Electoral College does something to protect small states. They're wrong too.

I'm sorry, Lynnwood Rooster, I know you are committed in your partisan myopia to a complete and utter defense of the Electoral College, today, but since I also know you would completely change your tune if the circumstances were different, it's not exactly persuasive. You're not committed to any kind of moral position, you will simply believe you are at war with EastAsia, that the chocolate ration has increased, and that wrapping yourself in the Constitution will justify any malfeasance.

At least you're committed to that, so we know what you'll keep on doing.

by prioritizing results from trusted news outlets

Who are these "trusted" news outlets? Does it include CNN, which tried to spin a story about Trump acting like a buffoon on a foreign trip?

Blaring headline:
"Trump feeds fish, winds up pouring entire box of food into koi pond"

Truth: "President Trump was following Japanese prime minister Shinzo Abe's lead when he dumped his fish food into the koi pond."

This is what they mean by "lies, damned lies, and statistics."

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ninth-circuit-court-most-overturned/

Somehow I don't see people being hysterical about knife crime in places like Japan

Try UK for a change. They currently have an ongoing campaign to convince people to surrender sharp-tipped kitchen knives, because they are "dangerous weapons" that are "often used in knife crime". For now it's all voluntary, but there's already several prominent politicians pushing for a law along these lines. In fact, even some of the rhetoric is eerily similar - the proposed ban is framed as "banning dagger-type knives", which directly mirrors labels like "military-style" in US.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/united-states-lower-death-shootings/

Fact: The number of mass homicides and the number of people killed in mass homicides in Australia has gone up since the gun control initiatives of the mid 1990s.

Nope!

Snopes.com?

Might as well cite the NY Times as an authority on how now to be an anti-white racist.

Fact: The number of mass homicides and the number of people killed in mass homicides in Australia has gone up since the gun control initiatives of the mid 1990s.

Nope!

Even Snopes agrees that the number killed per capita is higher in Norway and other places. They call it a "mixture" by pointing to the median, rather than the mean. So the mean is correct - the average number of people killed in mass shootings per capita is higher in Norway, Belgium, France and other places. But the number of mass shootings per capita is higher in the US. The original claim I made, as worded, is 100% correct - per Snopes. Now if you want to say "lying with statistics" because I didn't state what you wanted me to - that's your issue, not mine.

PS: try the link again. It does work.

Another example of lying with statistics by gun nuts.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-ch...

Europe as a whole has more people than the US yet across the board their numbers are much higher.

You, like so many others, conflate the entirety of Europe with the U.S. when you should be looking at each individual country. However, since you brought it up, this article says there were 19 mass shootings in all of Europe between 2009 and 2015 wherein 319 people were killed (the outlier being the shooting in Norway in which 69 people were killed). That comes out to 20 deaths as the result of mass shootings per year in the entirety of Europe, or just over one death as the result of a mass shooting for each European country per year.

During that same period in the U.S. there were 25 mass shootings with 199 people killed (apparently our shooters need more practice). Snopes laid out the skewed statistics and why the U.S. ranks far and above Europe in mass shootings.

Since that time, the U.S. continues to pull ahead of Europe in mass shootings. This article uses 2009- 2016 for their numbers in which they calculated 156 mass shootings with 848 people killed (their methodology is slightly different than above). One thing to note is, according their numbers, only ten percent of mass shootings take place in a "gun free" zone.

As to your other statistics, I said child molestation and rape, not rape as a whole. Big difference. But keep using statistics to justify racism and ignore who the real perpetrators are of certain crimes.

People have to figure out what is real, and what is not, without censorship!

Huge chunks of the US have repeatedly shown that they are incapable of determining what is real and what is not. Evidence of this is the fact that people believe Trump. More evidence is the fact that Snopes needs a page for this.

Cue the cloud and old man.

Good news! You are mistaken in thinking that the forms at the DMV are the same for everyone. Non-citizens file forms that do not come with automatic voter registration, and they are not able to register to vote with the non-citizen versions of those IDs. However, this may only be true for California (the state we were talking about). Perhaps it sometimes happens in other states like you suggested.

"While it’s true that undocumented residents living in California can obtain driver’s licenses, the state has not passed any laws that also provide them the right to vote. The New Motor Voter Act was passed in an effort to improve voter turnout, and while this law does automatically register citizens to vote when they obtain or renew their driver’s licenses, that action only applies to citizens who have already attested and/or documented an eligibility to vote."
https://www.snopes.com/fact-ch...

And for the San Francisco school board elections, it sounds like you may be assuming that non-citizens will get a general ballot for state/federal elections instead of a ballot specific to the school board elections. Can't vote for something like congressperson or president if those aren't even fields on the ballot.

1. Illegal immigrants can obtain driver's license in California.
2. Anyone obtaining a driver's license in California (and in many other states) can check a checkbox to also register to vote. It is the person's own discretion, scruples, and fear of prosecution, that decides it.
3. Anyone registered to vote, can come and vote — no verification is done at the time of voting.
4. Indeed, various cities — including San Francisco — encourage non-citizens to vote now. Ostensibly, they are only supposed to vote for local issues only (such as school boards), which is legal. In practice, there are no checks preventing them from voting.

It is possible. It happens. Attempts to quantify, how wide-spread it is, are sabotaged.

As with other possible exploits, we must assume being compromised... Which is unfortunate...

Really? Your "rebuttal" is based on one article?

So you're going with an internet survey of 100 people extrapolated out to the entire US population. Yes, I know. Y'all don't believe in fact checkers anymore.

When a process is demonstrated to be so flawed that compromise should be assumed, why is irrefutable proof even necessary?

Yes! Indeed! Which is exactly the logic, we should be applying to the phenomenon of illegal voting too.

It is easy, it happens — which is more than we can say (with citations) about the Diebold machines, actually.

But, for some reasons, any attempts to improve this demonstrably flawed process are struck down — because, it is said, on Slashdot and elsewhere, "there is no proof".

When a process is demonstrated to be so flawed that compromise should be assumed, why is irrefutable proof even necessary?

Yes! Indeed! Which is exactly the logic, we should be applying to the phenomenon of illegal voting too.

It is easy, it happens — which is more than we can say (with citations) about the Diebold machines, actually.

But, for some reasons, any attempts to improve this demonstrably flawed process are struck down — because, it is said, on Slashdot and elsewhere, "there is no proof".

The claim that the Nazis actually were leftists or socialists in any generally accepted sense of those terms flies in the face of historical reality.

Or you could have paid attention in your high school world history class, and not been so fucking clueless for your life. Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life.

The New York Times front page ran a false story invented by someone who wasn't within five hundred miles of the supposed incident, with eyewitnesses and a video contradicting the claims made, without any apology, correction, retraction, or consequence . . . except a promotion for the fabulist.

So, how many other lies have they told you that there isn't video to contradict?

"Fake news", as the term is used by the New York Times and the outlets who follow its line, doesn't mean deliberately fabricated stories; it means deliberately fabricated stories that lead people to conclusions that the NYT and its followers don't like. Deliberately fabricated stories that lead to acceptable conclusions are "journalism".

Take off your rose-colored glasses.

I mean, screw late-19th-century examples like Hearst. On February 5th, 1992, a out-and-out lie was published on the front page of the New York Times by those "intelligent adults" who were paid "reasonable salaries to do things like verify sources, check facts" and the like.

It wasn't a mistake, it wasn't a lying source. It was invented out of thin air, and later contradicted by video evidence. And it was never retracted; none of the persons involved suffered any consequences. The author of the lie, Andrew Rosenthal went on to be promoted to a position of authority directly under the publisher as editor of the editorial page, and is still employed by the paper today.

And all the other members of the supposedly "somewhat honorable profession" just sort of shrugged and moved on, confirming that they didn't care that the most prestigious "news" outlet in America lied and rallied around the lie. Oh, a bunch of outlets ran pieces pointing out that the NYT piece was "wrong", but nobody treated telling fabricated stories to the American people as if it were a scandal.

Which is why it was so funny watching the New York Times running stories about "fake news" while it's still paying Andrew Rosenthal a salary. They don't have any credibility when it comes to questions of truth, and neither does anyone who treats them as a respectable news source.

to be fair, it WAS at one time regulated, this article is somewhat specific in saying that it going away didn't cause FOX news, but it does point out that if it had been extended to cable television things MIGHT have been different.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-ch...

honestly, i do think that anything purporting it's self to be "news" SHOULD have some form of the fairness doctrine applied to it. Sure, we might lose some stories about a dog that likes lasagna or something, but I like to think that the value gained would be far more important. In today's media, you can't survive without making everything sound worse than it is to get those eyeballs.

opinion pieces should be required to be clearly stated as opinion pieces, and if a company decides to run opinion pieces, they should have to give equal time to a rebuttal if requested and a proper expert can be vetted (and provide documentation on why no expert could be found on demand, should that be the case)

those freaky socio-medical shows need some of that as well.. some form of requirement on sharing alternate research against their juice cleanses and diatomaceous earth eating madness. Or again clearly cite that there has been no counter research.

If you put a political ad or public service/health announcement into any form of media, you should be required to be a public company (so people can see your investors) or an open public non profit (that shares donor information) or a private citizen. and that information needs to be clearly visible, and disclosed with the advert.

Given this administration, regulation and science seems counter to their ideals. For example, the EPA is considering allowing asbestos on a case by case basis even though its carcinogenic properties are well known. One way suggested is been to re-define what is asbestos to allow certain products.

Is anyone surprised that a Russian asbestos company is putting Trump's face on their packaging? And is anyone surprised that the company is Russian?

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/russian-asbestos-trump_face/

Not of regression (well, yes, that, too), but of Russia.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/russian-asbestos-trump_face

On 25 June 2018, a Russian mining company named Uralasbest, which is one of the world’s largest producers of asbestos, posted a message of support for President Trump on their official Facebook and VK (a Russian version of Facebook) pages. The post included photographs of packed asbestos material adorned with the face of Trump and the text “Approved by Donald Trump, 45th President of the United States.”

They aren't even trying to hide it anymore.

EVEN WORSE: It all took place on OUR watch. ALL of them. All of US. T / O / B / C / B / etc. Our leaders do represent The People, but exactly which ones are yet to be determined.

Apparently the Russian people?

I don't know what to say about people who prefer treason to honest elections...

For those curious here is snope's take on the matter

https://www.snopes.com/fact-ch...

And then the lawsuit! http://www.snopes.com/fact-che...

According to Leftie science and religion, nuclear power is bad. Even though it's the best. It's even one of the most common sources of power in the universe! Except on Earth, because of leftards.

I could point to the environmental ravages caused by leftists in North Korea, a socialist country. But let's not open that box.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-ch...

Right wing nuts at their very best.