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And shit like this doesn't help your image much, either: http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/03/racist-decapitation-murder-shakes-small-north-dakota-town/

Um, from your own link:

In sentencing Wacht and ruling out the possibility of eventual parole, the judge cited the murderer’s extensive prior criminal record in California and his refusal to cooperate with law enforcement and disclose the whereabouts of Johnson’s remains.

The murderer was from California. You are right about racism towards Native Americans but that's usually in regards to not being welcomed to live on their reservations. From WDAZ:

Authorities believe 54-year-old Kurt Johnson was shot in the forehead and then decapitated. A California man is being held on murder charges in the case.

If you swap white and black, then their ideology fits well with the rest of that list. The SPLC's actual classification of the New Black Panther Party is Black Separatist, alongside the Nation of Islam.

SPLC catergorized the New Black Panther Party and it's leader as a Right-Wing Extremist group, because, apparently, they never allowed for the possibility of a Left-Wing Extremeist group.

Stop blaming the lawyers is the first step on the road to hell. They are guilty of something, by definition, if there is a law that could be twisted or corrupted for their profit, they will, no matter what comes after, they got their pay.

I know. Shakespeare definitely had it right! Especially these guys! Money grubbing scumbags, the lot!

You do realize that in the past 3 years, the percentage of failed mortgages for middle-income and upper-income folks is very similar to low-income folks, right? Funny thing, someone making $30K getting a $50K house is similar to someone making $100K buying a $250K house, or making $300K buying a multi-million house.

Actually, there is one bright spot. A few companies specialize in mortgages to illegal immigrants. And illegal immigrants have low foreclosure rates.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=17597739

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2009/spring/minority-meltdown

You're right, just trying to get marriage to conform to 'biblical' standards doesn't make a hate group, which is why I specified 'anti-gay' as well as 'hate groups.' The SPLC guidelines for a 'hate group' are as follows: "Generally, the SPLC’s listings of these groups is based on their propagation of known falsehoods — claims about LGBT people that have been thoroughly discredited by scientific authorities — and repeated, groundless name-calling. Viewing homosexuality as unbiblical does not qualify organizations for listing as hate groups."

Here're some qualifications of one of the hate groups CFA has supported, the Family Research Council:

In a 1999 publication (Homosexual Activists Work to Normalize Sex With Boys) that has since disappeared from its website, the FRC claimed that “one of the primary goals of the homosexual rights movement is to abolish all age of consent laws and to eventually recognize pedophiles as the ‘prophets’ of a new sexual order,” according to unrefuted research by AMERICAblog. The same publication argued that “homosexual activists publicly disassociate themselves from pedophiles as part of a public relations strategy.”

More recently, in March 2008, Sprigg, responding to a question about uniting gay partners during the immigration process, said: “I would much prefer to export homosexuals from the United States than to import them.”

Five years later, on May 17, 2001, Perkins gave a speech to the Louisiana chapter of the Council of Conservative Citizens (CCC), a white supremacist group that has described black people as a “retrograde species of humanity.”

Are you kidding me?

The New Black Panther Party is recognized hate group by the southern poverty law center - the same folks who monitor all of the white hate groups. Even members of the original black Panthers despise and have publicly called the group as a "black racist hate group".

You show precisely why religion is so evil and debilitating to society ...

What Westboro practices is not religion. It is a simple, straightforward scam.

The requirements for carrying identification/immigration paperwork are exactly the same as the federal laws.

Except that this law, and the bigoted environment in Arizona, codify anti-latino racial profiling and harassment. You don't see Canadians or Koreans being stopped citing SB 1070. Because that's not what this law is about.

Amusingly (in the darkly tragic sort of way), the law was actually written by a known white supremacist (Kris Kobach, a member of FAIR, a known hate group). He literally handed it off to Brewer's administration to push through. Which she did, because it was an Election year and she needed the bigot vote to keep her job.

I think they know that nobody from Canada with half a brain would want to sneak into the US to live there.

The requirements for carrying identification/immigration paperwork are exactly the same as the federal laws.

Except that this law, and the bigoted environment in Arizona, codify anti-latino racial profiling and harassment. You don't see Canadians or Koreans being stopped citing SB 1070. Because that's not what this law is about.

Amusingly (in the darkly tragic sort of way), the law was actually written by a known white supremacist (Kris Kobach, a member of FAIR, a known hate group). He literally handed it off to Brewer's administration to push through. Which she did, because it was an Election year and she needed the bigot vote to keep her job.

Call me a troll if you like, but I'm compelled to point out that illegal immigration from Canada and Korea are pretty low. Canada not being a third world crap hole and there being an ocean, vice a line on the map, between the US and the Koreas. Not saying people don't get smuggled in from less fortunate places oceans away, just that their numbers don't reach "millions". Further, please don't cite SPL for anything more complicated than the weather. Asking them for unbiased information would be like asking the Klan about segregation. Just because SPL lists you as a "hate group" doesn't mean you are one unless your stated policies, or at least actions, include anything like actual hate.

That said, I will agree with others in saying that the current immigration system in the US is garbage. I don't really believe that the vast majority of illegal immigrants come here to cause trouble and make life suck for everyone else. However, people who do scam the system and come here illegally make it a fuck load harder on those trying to do it the right way. So speaking as someone who has dealt with the mess that the scammers and illegals have indirectly caused, I must say I'm tempted to toss them a big bucket of fuck you.

I don't know if this law is the solution or not. It probably isn't. Yet, you can't hardly say that it is racist simply because it ends up impacting one group more than another. Are laws against crack cocain racist because it is more popular with blacks than whites? What about laws against meth? Racist because white people tend to do it more?

In the end, we're dancing around an important subject. These people who are "targeted" are only targeted if they broke the law. Is the immigration law broke and in need of fixing? Hell yes. Does that make it "right" to just hop the border and do as you please? No. If you think it does, try to illegally immigrate to Mexico and see how that goes.

The requirements for carrying identification/immigration paperwork are exactly the same as the federal laws.

Except that this law, and the bigoted environment in Arizona, codify anti-latino racial profiling and harassment. You don't see Canadians or Koreans being stopped citing SB 1070. Because that's not what this law is about.

Amusingly (in the darkly tragic sort of way), the law was actually written by a known white supremacist (Kris Kobach, a member of FAIR, a known hate group). He literally handed it off to Brewer's administration to push through. Which she did, because it was an Election year and she needed the bigot vote to keep her job.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/publications/terror-from-the-right

Read it and weep, you fucking terrorists. This isn't trolling, this is patriotism, calling out the madmen who attack my country. You want to mod me troll? Bring it, I've got karma to burn.

No foreigners are as big a threat as the right wing. Little Timmy McVeigh was only the most well known of the bunch.
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/publications/terror-from-the-right

Sorry, my workplace uses McAfee Web Gateway which blocks that as a hate site. But I'm sure it is completely accurate and unbiased. Just FYI, here is a list of right-wing terror attacks in the United States:
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/publications/terror-from-the-right

Here is an interesting Wikipedia article on Christian Terrorism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

Does it feel good to have something to hate? Does it fill your life with meaning and purpose? Well, here's hoping you don't end up on that first list, m'kay?

Copyrighting your own name is an important part of the sovereign citizen "redemption" process/conspiracy theory -- if you've ever heard of the gold fringe on a flag equals Admiralty court theory, or the idea that your name spelled in all caps is different from your real name, it's the same thing. Though I doubt this is exactly what she had in mind, it's quite an interesting dog-whistle to the Ruby Ridge types.

The New Black Panther Party is listed as a hate group.

It is a VERY long list. Here's a list of DOZENS of right wing extremist attacks on America going back to the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/publications/terror-from-the-right

As the anonymous person points out... your link starts with a note that they are over 90% the same ethnic group. And most view themselves as the same race.

First, where does the wiki article say most Chinese view themselves as the same ethnic group? Next, as for the majority of Chinese being Han, that's true for all of modern day China, however in some regions ethnic minorities are the majority. To offset this the authorities encourage, and even force, Han Chinese to emigrate to these regions. As Niccolò Machiavelli wrote in "The Prince" an effective way to take over an invaded area, and China did invade independent areas, is by relocating native inhabitants to that area. So for instance the Chinese government encouraged Han Chinese to move to Tibet after the 1949-1950 Chinese invasion of Tibet and continues to do so. Heck the British did that in Ireland, encouraged Protestant British to move to Ireland. Unionism in Ireland. Even the US did that, encouraged settlers to "go west" giving them the land they homesteaded on. This of course didn't sit well with American Indians.

You run into it all over the place... one example being here:
http://cobb.typepad.com/cobb/2005/01/is_that_what_yo_1.html [typepad.com]
"When I pressed him on why he thought that way he finally revealed that because of the racial superiority of the Chinese people, there can never be true equality between a Chinese and non-Chinese and since any deep relationship would require that...there can be no true relationship."

Think about that, you just said the same as I did, it's found everywhere and not just by Chinese. Even the link you hints as much, "And I thought back to the 80s when everybody was sure that the Japanese were going to buy all the real estate in America up, including the Statue of Liberty. Yet somehow when it came to moving around the cities they were consuming, they would still somehow figure out not to go to the ghettoes or buy anything there, thereby leaving blackfolks just as poor in an overheated market." Today there are any number of groups in the US who if not have a superiority/inferiority complex. The "Southern Poverty Law Center counted 932 active hate groups in the United States in 2009." Like U2 sang, "you've got someone to blame?"

Oh, btw, some economists think it will turn out the same for the Chinese as it did for the Japanese. While many Americans and Europeans are afraid the Chinese will take over the world economically, like some did in the 1980s about the Japanese, there are economists who dispute this. Chinese was able to take over a lot of manufacturing because their wages were low however those wages are rising and as they do manufacturers will be looking for other places to go to. Free trade, er as there is no free trade freer trade, benefits a lot of people. Of course China needs to allow it's currency the yuan to float on exchanges. However the US needs to stop giving US agribusinesses billions of dollars in taxpayer subsidies. Much like the nuclear industry the agriculture industry is hooked on subsidies. Archer Daniels Midland or ADM which is a $500 billion a year multinational corporation, and Cargill the largest privately owned company are examples of corporate welfare queens, receiving billions of taxpayer dollars a year.

Falcon

No, you racist scum, it's time to do something about it.

I commented on this before.

Basically, I'm more frightened by the current administration's plans for "what to do about the Internet" than I am the ISP's plans. Especially when you start finding "dangerous speech" on the Internet, and classifying certain groups as "hate groups" just because you disagree with them. For instance, the Southern Poverty Law Center has now decided that the Oath Keepers organization is a is a hate group. What's to prevent the FCC from declaring that "hate speech" is not "legal content", and shutting down access to that site.

Check out my other post with links to HR 3458 and the "Cybersecurity Act". There are lots of plans for deeper and deeper regulation of Internet traffic that, frankly, should be frightening to anyone that wants to keep the networks free from interference.

But it's not just slashdot. Racism, xenophobia, and nativism are becoming more widespread in the United States. Right-wing groups in Europe are also in ascendance.

Here is the U.S., there are several elected federal officials with ties to hate groups. That includes one Libertarian ideologue who is very popular here on slashdot...

There is a big huge wave of the nastiest amateur hate since the SA out there. I wish it was just confined to slashdot, but it is so much worse than that.

Southern Poverty Law Center Report: Return of the Militias

We may not agree with neo-nazis [...]

Well, actually she is one, "the real feminazi" as they call her. Sorry to say that, but I have very little sympathy for her

Former wife of Kevin Strom, once director of white nationalist group National Vanguard.

I believe this is her pro-nationalist writing.

Here's her SPLC profile.

I realize our society prejudges any person of nationalist (black power/white power) inclinations, but I think if we have "freedom" it includes the freedom to disagree with diversity.

Agreed. These people are terrorists

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=42
A Chicago insurance executive might seem like one of the last people who'd be opening a letter with this succinctly chilling message: "You have been targeted for terrorist attack."

But that's what happened last year, when a top official at Marsh USA Inc. was informed that he and his company's employees had landed in the crosshairs of an extremist animal rights group. The reason? Marsh provides insurance for one of the world's biggest animal testing labs.

"If you bail out now," the letter advised, "you, your business, and your family will be spared great hassle and humility."

That letter â" and the harassment campaign that followed, after Marsh declined to "bail out" â" was another shot fired by Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty (SHAC).

This British-born group, now firmly established in the United States, is waging war on anyone involved with Huntingdon Life Sciences, which tests drugs on approximately 70,000 rats, dogs, monkeys and other animals each year. In the process, SHAC is rewriting the rules by which even the most radical eco-activists have traditionally operated.

In the past, even the edgiest American eco-warriors drew the line at targeting humans. They trumpeted underground activists' attacks on businesses and laboratories perceived as abusing animals or the environment â" the FBI reports more than 600 incidents, causing $43 million in damage, since 1996.

But spokespeople for the two most active groups in the U.S., the Animal Liberation Front (ALF) and the Earth Liberation Front (ELF), have always been quick to claim that their underground cells have never injured or killed any people.

Since 1999, however, members of both groups have been involved with SHAC's campaign to harass employees of Huntingdon â" and even distantly related business associates like Marsh â" with frankly terroristic tactics similar to those of anti-abortion extremists.

Amazing, the stuff you can learn here. Like Sea monkeys

You know that there are defense attorneys too, who defend people accused of filesharing, right?

And lawyers who sue the government to defend our civil liberties. And lawyers who make a living freeing people from death row. And lawyers who fight against injustice.

There's no such thing as "lawyers do ___." There are people who practice law on both sides of most issues. And lawyers as a group take plenty of criticism. Nobody's branding you a terrorist. Just pointing out that your facts are incomplete.

You are full of shit. Period.

Nothing in his congressional record, personal life, nor his medical practice leads one iota of credence to the newsletters. In fact, it's just the opposite.

Would the president of the NAACP back someone like you just described? Of course not.

Would someone that you just described deliver babies for free to African American and Hispanic families that were too poor to afford it? No.

He was running a full time medical practice and left the newsletters in care of people he thought he could trust. That was a mistake, as there were those who had a different agenda. At least he admitted he had been careless, unlike MOST of our elected officials (Iraq War).

His actions speak a lot louder than the words written by some assholes who had a vendetta. Here's a challenge for you. I want you to find one, just one instance where an action in his personal, medical, or political life shows paranoid racism. You won't find one.

But I'll bite. Ron Paul has extensive ties to the League of the South, a neo-Confederate group that advocates secession, a "return" to Christian law and racial violence.

Or his association with the John Birch Society, a far right wing society with both racist and conspiracy theory views.

He's not a libertarian. He's a constitutionalist. There is a difference.

"....many of the young black youth down here have no respect for life at all. Period. It is part of the black thug culture, very prevalent amongst black youth nationwide. It is the attitudes of this self-perpetuating culture, that keeps the community down. Why doesn't the black community put as much effort into promoting education, family values (less unwed mothers), more and less of the glorification of the gangsta, and sports 'hero'."

Way to generalize an entire group of people. Two thumbs up.

"And when exactly is the last time you heard of anyone lynching minorities, killing thme and throwing them in the river?"

All the time. http://www.splcenter.org/intel/hatewatch/fortherec ord.jsp
Just because you're blind doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

"But, please, quit talking about how your are 'owed' something because of slavery, and discrimination standards that are old history."

Why do you assume I'm black? Oh that's right, you're a racist that only sees arguments within the context of the messenger if they don't agree with your white protestant view point of privilege. My post wasn't even in the context of being black. I made generalizations based on how all minorities are confronted within a larger homogeneous culture.

"Look at the Chinese and other orientals in the US'es history. They don't seem to have the victimization syndrome you seem to expouse....they don't demand a special tv channel. They go out there bust their collective asses, run businesses and excel at academics....."

More generalizations based on skin color? WTF are you smoking .. trying to win an argument with this kind of drivel?

Sorry, you argue like all people with your view point. You are incapable of reasoning. You're a a racist of the worst sort -- ignorant to the point of being painfully hard to ignore.

Yes, yes, nazi, Black people are violent, and Yellow people are good at math. . and if they could just be like you, then every thing would be all right.

Then Al Gore forced us to buy low flow toilettes to save fresh water, but opened a Damn so he could take a canoe trip.

I don't know about the rest of your post but this is definitely a lie, Mr. Pot.

Actually the "War on Terror/ists/ism/whatever we don't like" DOES spend a lot of energy on folks like PETA, Greenpeace, ALF, and the American Friends Service Commitee. Read here http://www.aclu.org/safefree/spying/23124prs200512 20.html amoung other places.
The home grown terrorists who don't get much FBI attention are covered here http://www.splcenter.org/intel/map/hate.js.
The interesting thing is that ALF, etc have never actually hurt anybody (at least there are no police records indicating they have) or called for the overthrow of the US government, while various Christian Identity and Nazi organizations definately have. We will leave the "Pro-life" Murderers out of this as we are trying to have a rational discussion.
My point is not to defend what was done here. It sucks, is immoral and constitutes a criminal enterprise which should be smashed with all due speed. But to say these folks are "terrorists" who are getting a "free ride" from "the authorities" or "the media" because they are "liberal" or "leftist" is to use all the words in quotes WAY outside thier proper definition.

P.S. I would have more sympathy for the moral high ground these folks tend to claim if they were doing civil disobedience; that is, when the Police arrive at a vandalized lab there are a bunch of people sitting there saying "We did this, please take us to jail and trial."

Actually the Southern Poverty Law Center claims "a 33 percent growth in hate groups over a five-year period, from 602 in 2000 to 803 in 2005".

So really "hate speech" is alive and well.

Actually the Southern Poverty Law Center claims "a 33 percent growth in hate groups over a five-year period, from 602 in 2000 to 803 in 2005".

So really "hate speech" is alive and well.

Every white person in the US should ask themselves: When we are a minority in our own country, will our new rulers treat us with the same goodwill as we treated them?

The Ludwig Von Mises institute, and aything else like it, are loony bins. their mission? To "undermine statism in all its forms." Great! No army! No civil protection! No state run colleges! No public roads or education! Sounds feasible (see Somalia).

Worse, the institute takes a "critical view of most US government activities, foreign and domestic, throughout American history" -- including, but not limited to, WWII, Abe Lincoln, child labor laws, the women's vote, and the Civil Rights movement.

The Southern Poverty Law Center has identified it as an anti-semetic, racist instutution.

The institute also promotes a type of Darwinian view of society in which elites are seen as naturally superior. The institute seems nostalgic for the days when, "because of selective mating, marriage, and the laws of civil and genetic inheritance, positions of natural authority [were] likely to be passed on within a few noble families."

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article .jsp?pid=106

So, I won't concede a thing to those bastards.

The Ludwig Von Mises institute, based in Alabama, is a loony place. It's mission? To "undermine statism in all its forms." Great! No army! No civil protection! No state run colleges! No public roads or education! Sounds feasible (see Somalia).

Worse, the institute takes a "critical view of most US government activities, foreign and domestic, throughout American history" -- including, but not limited to, WWII, Abe Lincoln, child labor laws, the women's vote, and the Civil Rights movement.

The Southern Poverty Law Center has identified it as an anti-semetic, racist instutution.

The institute also promotes a type of Darwinian view of society in which elites are seen as naturally superior. The institute seems nostalgic for the days when, "because of selective mating, marriage, and the laws of civil and genetic inheritance, positions of natural authority [were] likely to be passed on within a few noble families."

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article .jsp?pid=106

So, I won't concede a thing to those bastards.

When some possessions of mine (which I had insured)were damaged in shipping, I had a difficult time getting compensation. I called a lawyer, but could not have afforded services much beyond a threatening letter. So, although I had insurance and the law on my side, I would have been unable to have it enforced because I could not afford litigation (and in fact, it probably would have just been cheaper to replace the stuff anyway). Strangely, no lawyers rushed to my aid, even though, as you claim, there is no shortage of free legal counsel around for a 22 year old college student (which I was at the time).

It is absurd to think that there are lawyers lining up to take on complicated, time consuming cases pro bono (although it is true that most law offices do pro bono work).

The inability of the underprivileged to get proper legal counsel is, I believe, on of the great faults and tragedies of our system. To suggest that there is such an abundance of legal resources that anyone who wanted to could engage in a trademark battle with a wealthy company does a terrible disservice to people who have actually dedicated themselves to providing legal aid to the needy.

And if you honestly believe that there is this great abundance of legal counsel, I implore you to volunteer with an agency dedicated to providing legal aid to the poor, or with some agency in which you routinely interact with people who cannot afford the resources to navigate the legal system. Then feel free to talk to me and all the other sheep who haven't accepted an inaccurate meme as a fact.

Center for Constitutional Rights
http://www.ccr-ny.org/

Southern Poverty Law Center (civil rights oriented)
http://www.splcenter.org/

Eric

Google search skills are your friends -- reprint.

As far as I can see, the article makes no reference to the need for strong role models per se for both genders. Rather, the emphasis is on the disproportionate impacts on the children for single parents, divorced parents, and the effect of stepparents, as opposed to a stable two-parent household. The first two groups are irrelevant to the question of gay marriage-- although definitely relevant to the larger social debate. I freely concede that a two parent household has major advantanges over single or separate parent households for the raising of children.

The stepparent impact is a more analogous situation, and a more reasonable concern. The case of Gay couples, however, may be somewhere between this and adoptive heterosexual parents who are otherwise unable to have children. A comparison study on how children adopted in infancy turn out versus non-adoptive children might be a useful counter-reference-- and if such a study hasn't been done yet, every sociologist on the planet should be taken out and shot. Now.

In turn, I can't provide an on-line citation, as my recollection was of coverage from a Nightline or similar news show segment on a study about children of gay parents. I suspect the study it covered was either Rafkin or Saffron -- probably the former, from my recollection of the timing. However, the main Google references to these are by various right-wing to a re-analysis by the less-than-impartial "Family Research Institute" -- who were recently classified by the Southern Poverty Law Center as a "hate group". However, even the excepts given from their respin are not inconsistent with my impressions from that way-back news program, to wit...

First: a stable two parent family is more important than the gender of the parents. Single/divorced parents mean more problems.

Second: yes, children of homosexuals will have to deal with problems from society at large as a result of their parents' homosexuality. I consider bigotry, prejudice, and intolerance to be a problem with society, not with a family per se; saying homosexuals should not marry for this reason is easily analagous to saying interracial couples should not marry for such reasons.

Third: once you factor in economic brackets, the kids turned out much the same as their peers. Homosexuality and bisexuality were more common than with their peers, but still a minority result-- maybe 20%? (Consideration of orientation was universal.)

The legal foundation for discrimination instead of equal protection is "compelling state interest"-- Bradwell v. Illinois, IIR. If reasonably conclusive evidence can be obtained that children of gay marriages turn out worse than hetero marriages, all other factors equal, then a legal foundation can be made to prohibit gay marriage. Lacking that, 14th amendment protection on liberty makes such prohibition... problematic.

Fortunately (?), Canada legalized gay marriage a few years back (2000?). So, there will probably exist an opportunity for better data gathering in a decade or so. In the meanwhile, everyone gets to keep screaming at each other.

Your argument that rights in the electronic realm are in no way separate from traditional civil rights is of course in its largest context true, but if civil rights should only be tackled by the ACLU, where does that leave the UFW (United Farm Workers), the Southern Poverty Law Center, NOW (the National Association for Women), and other organizations that tackle "niche" issues?

My take on it is that a diverse collection of organizations taking on civil rights abuses in a variety of venues is more effective than a single organization. I certainly give to only some of them, but I do like to have choices.

It seems to me that your real gripe about the EFF is that the organization is run ineffectively. Because it hasn't won as many court cases as you'd like, or rolled back legislation even in the face of massive corporate-financed Congressional power, you see it as ineffectual. But given that money donated to the EFF goes directly to the fight for online rights, while money donated to the ACLU goes to a wide array of causes, I'm not sure that support of the ACLU and exclusion of support for the EFF is such a good idea.

I hedge my bets by supporting both of them, even though I sometimes disagree with positions taken by both organizations. If you want to influence the EFF to become a more capable organization, why not get involved in it?

V-DARE
www.vdare.com

V-DARE - shorthand for Virginia Dare, the first English child to be born in what is now the United States - is a web site run by a "coalition" whose most prominent member is Peter Brimelow.

Brimelow, a leading anti-immigration activist and author of Alien Nation, argues that America is historically a predominantly white nation, and that Americans have a right to demand that it remain that way.

A past columnist for the conservative National Review, Brimelow says he once considered adding a fictional end to his Alien Nation, a nonfiction critique of immigration, about the last white family to leave Los Angeles.

V-DARE posts anti-immigration articles by Brimelow's twin brother John; right-wing columnists like Paul Craig Roberts and Joseph Fallon (Brimelow's main researcher on Alien Nation); and defenders of The Bell Curve - a controversial book arguing that whites are more intelligent than blacks - like Steve Sailer.

Both Brimelow and Fallon have defended Jared Taylor, who edits the racist American Renaissance magazine. Taylor's deputy, James Lubinskas, has returned the favor by writing for V-DARE.

Brimelow has close ties to several other leaders on the anti-immigration scene, among them John Vinson of the American Immigration Control Foundation, Llewellyn Rockwell and Jeffrey Tucker of the Ludwig von Mises Institute, and John H. Tanton of the Federation for American Immigration Reform.

--
Simon

"The brute fact," warned Sam Francis, editor of the white supremacist Council of Conservative Citizens' Citizens Informer, "is that unrestricted immigration has allowed the American Southwest to be invaded by aliens who may well in the near future ... break the American nation apart."

btw: wtf is in the water out there? SCO, Orrin Hatch, etc

Salt, yes. But more importantly: Sea Monkeys!

Yes, Utah's origional "not quite what it seems" business comes from the primary life form of the Great Salt Lake.

Remember the joy and excitement as you read the testimony on the back of your comic book about ordering and caring for your very own Sea Monkey family - no, kingdom! For only $24.95, you could be the god of a small world of miniture water people, kept in a tank in your bedroom.

How many of us raced our order down to the post office and waited each and every day for our little world to show up in the mail. The anticipation and expectation was tremendous. And could you ever forget the brutality of our crushed dreams when we discovered these little water people were... brine shrimp?!!! How could they do this to an idealistic child?

Yes, SCO has so much in common with its Sea Monkey marketing kin. The false claims. The hype. The dreams. The promise of owning the Linux world. Only to be dashed by painful realities. Worse yet, the commonalities in the executive qualities and mental dynamics of the two entities leaders is downright terrifying.

Oh, the horror of the Salt Lake's hollow promises!!!

That's the same state that decided to pick between a KKK member and a known crook for governor in 1991. It's a nice place to visit... I guess it's to their credit that the crook won by an extremely narrow margin??

Profiling Doesn't
Work.

Any system that decides to ignore people who don't fit its narrow world view is a FAILURE. If nobody cared about the guy with the british passport, would the flight have been saved? Would the arrests in Texas have been made if all the agents were out tailing Pakistanis or Iraqis?

As for CAPPS II, it had a whole host of problems rather than just collecting public data into a single place. Color coding was designed to be loose so that the person could move you up if you "looked" suspicious, or asked questions (in fact, IIRC, asking questions automatically escalated you). The database was not available for review or correction (the fact that our government insists on using bad data scares me more than anything else. But then again the whole Iraq mess proves that our government thrives on error). The list only goes on from there. That underpaid screener who just got laid off? They took your entire identity with them, and now have themselves a "raise". No auditing of usage of the data is almost as bad as the lack of review of the data.

Isn't giving the government your encryption keys like testifying against yourself? And isn't that not required by the fifth amendment?

If you are a tax cheat, isn't giving the government your financial records like testifying against yourself? Not according to the Supreme Court.

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Well... at least in 1927. In 1894, income taxes were declared unconstitutional. So along came the 16th amendment to change all that.

But... the 16th amendment was never properly ratified.

Apparently, the Constitution has not mattered for a very long time.

While on taxes, I would like to note... the USA is 7.2 trillion dollars in debt. 13% of this years budget is devoted to paying interest on that debt. This year's budget deficit is 300 Billion dollars. The Baby Boomers have the government living beyond its means and expect Generation X to:

• a) pay for it
• b) pay for their retirement
• c) do without the benefit of social security.

Neither candidate in the next election is a fiscal conservative. So we'll have four more years of budget deficits either way. The rigged electronic elections will just be for show. Provisions of the Patriot Act may expire, but Section 213 does not sunset. And just when you thought all the news was bad, the MPAA is teaching our children about copyright, complete with cash and prizes.

</rant>

Um, back to the topic... Yeah, I think the Ronald Reagan defense is your best strategy in that case.

You FAIL it.

This first post is claimed for the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Long live Morris Dees!!! Die racist scum. Fucking subhumans!

There's more than enough injustice in real life, and you're wasting your time whining about this?!?!

• Amnesty International
• Southern Poverty Law Center
• American Civil Liberties Union
• Oxfam International
• Doctors Without Borders
• Habitat for Humanity International

For anyone joining us late in the broadcast!

The Southern Policy Law Center helps victims of hate crimes (such as the relatives of blacks brutally tortured and murdered by Neo-Nazi and "Aryan" groups) obtain legal representation.

The SPLC sponsors the Intelligence Report, which monitors the activities of violent hate groups - most of which are religious and/or racist. They also run the Teaching Tolerance project, which supplies school teaching materials to help fight entrenched racism through peaceful means.

The previous poster (who likes to post numbers that attempt to contradict the generally accepted view that fiscal irresponsibility was the hallmark of US President Reagan's administration) has characterized the SPLC as a "hate group" promoting "hatred of the rich" - which is, apparently, "politically correct".

Many (if not most) of the SPLC's contributors and lawyers are quite rich; especially when compared to the people the SPLC is typically trying to help.

So the only question in my mind is - Moron or Nazi?

I'm thinking Moron.

For anyone joining us late in the broadcast!

The Southern Policy Law Center helps victims of hate crimes (such as the relatives of blacks brutally tortured and murdered by Neo-Nazi and "Aryan" groups) obtain legal representation.

The SPLC sponsors the Intelligence Report, which monitors the activities of violent hate groups - most of which are religious and/or racist. They also run the Teaching Tolerance project, which supplies school teaching materials to help fight entrenched racism through peaceful means.

The previous poster (who likes to post numbers that attempt to contradict the generally accepted view that fiscal irresponsibility was the hallmark of US President Reagan's administration) has characterized the SPLC as a "hate group" promoting "hatred of the rich" - which is, apparently, "politically correct".

Many (if not most) of the SPLC's contributors and lawyers are quite rich; especially when compared to the people the SPLC is typically trying to help.

So the only question in my mind is - Moron or Nazi?

I'm thinking Moron.

For anyone joining us late in the broadcast!

The Southern Policy Law Center helps victims of hate crimes (such as the relatives of blacks brutally tortured and murdered by Neo-Nazi and "Aryan" groups) obtain legal representation.

The SPLC sponsors the Intelligence Report, which monitors the activities of violent hate groups - most of which are religious and/or racist. They also run the Teaching Tolerance project, which supplies school teaching materials to help fight entrenched racism through peaceful means.

The previous poster (who likes to post numbers that attempt to contradict the generally accepted view that fiscal irresponsibility was the hallmark of US President Reagan's administration) has characterized the SPLC as a "hate group" promoting "hatred of the rich" - which is, apparently, "politically correct".

Many (if not most) of the SPLC's contributors and lawyers are quite rich; especially when compared to the people the SPLC is typically trying to help.

So the only question in my mind is - Moron or Nazi?

I'm thinking Moron.

I sent this site over to a friend of mine at the Southern Poverty Law Center. They have an Intelligence Project that monitors Hate groups and Hate sites on the internet. I am still waiting on a reply, but for those wanting to know how to define 'hate' -- at least in the legal sense -- and free speech, this is the site to learn from.