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1998 Florida Mayoral race overturned because of massive voter fraud. This is only the most recent of a half dozen cases in Florida some of which resulted in convictions and/or invalidated elections. Lots of funs stuff... Deceased voters, vote buying, non-resident voters, ballot switching - the whole nine yards. (Gee I wonder if THAT could possibly explain the "intimidating" presence of Republican poll watchers and an attempt to purge the rolls of deceased, illegal and non-resident voters? NO it MUST be "suppression"). As it turns our there WERE still dead people that voted in 2000. The Miami Herald found André Alismé who died in 1997 among 144 other illegal voters after investigating only about a sixth of the precincts in Miami.

Forged absentee ballots in S. Dakota in 2002

Apparently some of the Democratic voting dead vote in primaries too.

Deceased voters still making it to the polls

Of course the 1960 Presidential election... Long past history but memories are long and political

And there is plenty of proof that this year may be a high-water mark for fraud... Fictional people registered to vote
Tons of registrations accumulated over months including many fraudulent ones with fictional names, dozens of the same name, forged signatures, dead people etc. all dumped on the county offices at the last minute to overload the checks to prevent fraud in Pennsylvania, Florida (and here), Colorado, Texas.

Speaking of checking boxes, it looks like Florida is disqualifying anybody who forgot to check "I am a US Citizen" on their registration form.

You have to be a US Citizen to vote, obviously. The thing is, if you look at the form, the oath that you have to sign also says "I am a U.S. Citizen." So by signing, you are swearing that you are a citizen, regardless of what the checkbox says.

Seriously! This is far beyond the realm of an "Ask Slashdot"! I can see wanting to get a feeling for the experiences of others, but how many times did you ask "is it legal"? Laws may vary from region to region, but I cannot imagine in an area that is about to become a disater area that your employer would be allowed to do this.

That being said, TALK TO A LAWYER ABOUT THIS. You should be able to get at least a reasonably cheap 15-30 minute consult to get the answer you need. Also, talk to the appropriate parts of your state's government, ie THESE GUYS.

Hope that helps.

-jason

Speed limit is not set by the state

Thank you for admitting your ignorance, let me help you

Here This is in general for state highways, and This is for residential zones. This is one place where the state sets the speed not the locality. I don't know where you got your ticket and I really don't care. You said the state does not and you are wrong.

Have a nice day, I'm done teaching for today.

oops, I meant to put this link on Security, showing how John Bush in Florida was preparing to declare martial law on Sep 7th, 2001, 4 days before September 11th. Now I would like to know what event happened around that time that was worthy of declaring martial law. Perhaps I still don't have all the facts.

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a threat
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I don't trust my government to protect me from terrorism if that terrorism could be used to their advantage, like increasing public popularity for war with a country like Iraq to bring them our version of freedom and democracy.

Looking back its obvious to understand why these wars aren't popular, but today it seems like its very difficult to convince our leaders that diplomacy is the prefered method, or in the case of terrorism to strike directly at those groups responsible for the terror.

1) There are better crops than soy for oil.
2) You get more miles to the gallon on ANY diesel than on ordinary gas.
3) Your figures on gasoline consumption are way off. You missed something. Department of Energy says the total US consumption is of fuel gasoline including gasohol was 7.98 billion gallons in 2001.

4) Why should the USA be self-sufficient in fuel production? It certainly isn't today.
(And don't say fuel reserves, because you can store diesel too, you know.)

Here in Florida, the State Troopers drive Tan and black cruisers. Check it out.

They haven't been banned in my state (Florida), where the presidential election is likely to be very close. That's why I'm following this issue very closely.

If you're worried about these machines being used in your county, please email the Florida Division of Elections at DivElections@dos.state.fl.us and state your concerns.

For Phone numbers and other contact info, click here.

IANAL.

The way I see it, a the tax will be due on the substitute communications system, i.e. your monthly VOIP bill. Since the LAN is not a substitute for an existing switched system (hence the word "local"), it is not a "substitute communications system". Perhaps a VPN traversing the Internet would be?

Given the definition of an SCS...
(16) "Substitute communications system" means any telephone system, or other system capable of providing communications services, which a person purchases, installs, rents, or leases for his or her own use to provide himself or herself with services used as a substitute for any switched service or dedicated facility by which a dealer of communications services provides a communication path.
Taxing the use of a LAN to provide access to an existing Internet service is not the intent of this. Taxing the use of a VOIP carrier is the intent of this bill, as you avoid paying the existing communications tax when you use a VOIP provider.

BTW, you do not currently pay this tax on your Internet access, as Internet access is not a defined communications service.

I can also see this taxing a mobile repair service's dispatch radio, now given the prevalance of cell phones and walkie-talkie type devices.

I think the whole trick to understanding this is that you must think like a politician in order to understand it. Things like this only come about because people try to avoid taxes. As I understand the history of this legislation, it was levied on organizations that had the capacity to build a substitute communications network that could effectivly bypass the taxation of existing telecommunications services. If you're already paying taxes on your communications services, then you cannot be taxed again - but if you're not (i.e. Internet service is not taxed in FL), then you may have to begin paying it.

bah, I can beat that. Check out the capitol building of great state of Florida

http://ww2.doh.state.fl.us/irm00profiling/searchfo rm.asp

http://ww2.doh.state.fl.us/irm00profiling/searchfo rm.asp

If I get arrested for DUI (not convicted, just arrested) I would have to undergo a years-long period of intensive intervention and probabtion, or I would lose my license.

If I have to undego all this, why shouldn't everyone be forced to undergo this sort of scrutiny???

Suck it up, people!

Steve

> Where do you live?

I live in the Province of Ontario, Canada.

From your story, it sounds like some of the FHP (Florida Highway Patrol) have forgotten their motto: "Courtesy, Service, Protection".

That might be something to drop the Director (Christopher A. Knight) a snail-mail about. The main email address is fhp@hsmv.state.fl.us which you can get from this URL: Florida Highway Patrol Contact Information.

in case you're wondering:

To accomplish this task, the thief places an electronic "skimmer" -- a card swipe device that reads the information on the card's magnetic strip -- on the ATM machine. Attached to the device, or placed discreetly elsewhere, is a small camera that captures the customer's PIN number when they enter it. The information is either collected by the device, or transmitted to a remote receiver. The thief then takes the codes and creates a counterfeit ATM card in order to empty the victim's bank account. Some skimmers can even capture the information and send it to the ATM at the same time. Since the machine works normally, the victim is unaware that they have just given a thief the key to their account. copied from here.

Um, why not install in peoples cars that have had at least one DUI or DWI or whatever?

This is how Florida has written their law. After a second conviction, or sometimes first, they require the driver to pay for the device's installation and monthly calibration. If you can't or won't pay, then I guess you just don't drive anymore. As for New Mexico, I have a suspicious theory about who is really responsible for the bill - manufacturers of the interlock device.

The worst example I saw was the FBI NCIC 2000 manual [PDF]. It gives you examples of how to look up criminal records and such... which could be very useful to the criminally vested social engineer.

The report does not find that the highest officials of the state conspired to disenfranchise voters. Moreover, even if it was foreseeable that certain actions by officials led to voter disenfranchisement, this alone does not mean that intentional discrimination occurred.

(e) Upon hearing evidence at the hearing, the supervisor of elections must determine whether there is sufficient evidence to strike the persons name from the registration books. If the supervisor determines that there is sufficient evidence, he or she must strike the name.

You are wrong on so many counts that it is hard to know where to start.

the head of the Bush campaign in Florida also happened to be the person in charge of Florida elections

I assume you are talking about Secretary of State Katherine Harris. I guess you don't realize that the Department of State is not "in charge of Florida elections". Elections are the responsibility of the ... Department of Elections! Funny how that works.

worked with a Republican headed company and George Bush's brother Jeb

Bzzzt. Wrong again. ChoicePoint was hired by Ethel Baxtor (D - Florida Director of Elections), before Harris or Bush were elected to Florida office.

to have ~51,000 people wrongfully taken off the voter rolls who where later found to 90% Democrat

Strike Three! 51,000 people were not "wrongfully taken off the voter rolls". 51,000 (actually it was 56,000) people were included in a list of voters who would possibly not be allowed to vote because their name produced a match in the ChoicePoint database as a convicted felon without their voting rights restored. According to Florida Law (section 98.0977 - Page 15), the only people with authority to remove a voter from the registration rolls are the county election supervisors from one of the 67 counties in Florida (not Katherine Harris or Jeb Bush).

Then there's that whole thing where Bush Jr. got appointed President by the people his daddy appointed into office

The USSC ruling agreed with all three of the completed vote counts and recounts in the state (including the count that was certified by the Secretary of State on the 7th day after the election, as required by Florida Law), and simply stated that the standards of vote counting and recounting could not be changed after the election was over (which was exactly what Al Gore was trying to do).

• The system shall provide functionality for ensuring that the database is updated on a daily basis to determine if a registered voter is ineligible to vote for any of the following reasons, including, but not limited to:
  
  ...
  
  (b) The voter has been convicted of a felony and has not had his or her civil rights restored
  
  ...
  
  (d) When the supervisor of elections finds information through the database that suggests that a voter has been convicted of a felony and has not had his or her civil rights restored or has been adjudicated mentally incompetent and his or her mental capacity with respect to voting has not been restored, the supervisor of elections shall notify the voter by certified United States mail. The notification shall contain a statement as to the reason for the voter's potential ineligibility to be registered to vote and shall request information from the voter on forms provided by the supervisor of elections. As an alternative, the voter may attend a hearing at a time and place specified in the notice. If there is evidence that the notice was not received, notice must be given once by publication in a newspaper of general circulation in the county. The notice must plainly state that the voter is potentially ineligible to be registered to vote and must state a time and place for the person to appear before the supervisor of elections to show cause why his or her name should not be removed from the voter registration rolls. After reviewing the information provided by the voter, if the supervisor of elections determines that the voter is not eligible to vote under the laws of this state, the supervisor of elections shall notify the voter by certified United States mail that he or she has been found ineligible to be registered to vote in this state, shall state the reason for the ineligibility, and shall inform the voter that he or she has been removed from the voter registration rolls. The supervisor of elections shall remove from the voter registration rolls the name of any voter who fails either to respond within 30 days to the notice sent by certified mail or to attend the hearing.
  
  (e) Upon hearing evidence at the hearing, the supervisor of elections must determine whether there is sufficient evidence to strike the persons name from the registration books. If the supervisor determines that there is sufficient evidence, he or she must strike the name.

Here's Florida's

One of the problems with government is that the frequently make very fine distinctions where most people would not. For instance, the government uses both taxes and fees (among other devices such as tariffs) to collect income. While both of these may appear to be ways to get your money, they actually have different definitions.

Taxes are rated fees collected by the government, usually on income, sales, and property. The rate may not be the same for everyone (Progressive Tax Brackets), but it is a fee calculated using some other metrics.

Fees are the same for everyone. It doesn't matter if you make 10 million or 10 dollars a year, you will still pay $17 to renew your driver's licence in New Jersey. According to your link, all corporations will pay the same fee to register in the State of Florida.

Hear, hear. Alex, if I had mod points, you'd get them.

I couldn't stand the corporate rat race, so I got out and started my own small business, and I love it. I work more for about the same amount of money, but I'm my own boss and I make my own hours.

However, I never realized quite how much the government squeezes little guys like me until I got out on my own. The stupid taxes I have to pay for no good reason just boggle my mind. The worst ones are the "fees." See, I know, they're "fees" because it says in big bold letters on the form, "THIS IS NOT A TAX."

For instance, the Florida Department of Corporations informed me that, after already paying my city and county for an occupational license, and paying the federal government to register my corporation, I need to pay them another $200 to register my corporation with them. Now, if I don't pay the "fee", they disolve my corporation. So, it's $200, that I pay to the government, for no obvious service, and if I don't do it, they disolve my company. Well, it sure is great to know it's NOT A TAX, though! Rat bastards every one of 'em...

Sounds a lot like entrapment, if'n you ask me. Entrapment might not be illegal if a government agent is not involved (at least in Florida), but it's not something I'd consider an act of a honorable group. And I, for one, refuse to deal with dishonorable people... that'll hold true for groups, too.

We need to make our voices heard in this issue so that we don't have this kind of thing happening in every state. Show some love to the Dave Bruns, the chief of public information of the Florida Department of Revenue.

Contact info:
Dave Bruns, Chief of Public Information
Voice: (850) 487-2747
Pager: (850) 531-3259
Fax: (850) 488-0024
E-mail: brunsd@dor.state.fl.us

I've taken the time to post a rant on this topic on my website, as well as this contact information. It is here.
I hope to make the website a hub for activism against issues like this one.

It's incredible, politicians will always try to come up with creative, yet convoluted ways of taxing their constituency. But they never stop for one millisecond to consider ways of CUTTING taxes.

HEY look at all these other fun filled taxes the state of Florida has!

Check the ZIP file links at the bottom of this report for the actuall bill here, it actually describe the insanity and absent mindeness of the beauricrates that are proposing these laws. Is this really real???

The fact of the matter is, wether or not you like HAM radio, the public should *NOT* have to depend on private citizens to get the help they need in the event of an emergency.

Yes, some women do struggle with my pencil dick.

Ye all should read Team Rodent: How Disney Devours the World .

The system you are referring to is called DRUGFIRE. It's been around for a loooooooong time.

Down here on America's Wang, driver's licenses and identification cards are issued by the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles. I'm guessing that it would be similar in other states, but I really have no idea.

Not in Florida:

876.13 Wearing mask, hood, or other device on public property.--No person or persons shall in this state, while wearing any mask, hood, or device whereby any portion of the face is so hidden, concealed, or covered as to conceal the identity of the wearer, enter upon, or be, or appear upon or within the public property of any municipality or county of the state.

History.--s. 3, ch. 26542, 1951.

Now I wonder about Halloween?

On a more personal note the publication of my address is protected by Florida Statute 843.17 - if you read the law it says that the publication must be done "maliciously, with intent to obstruct the due execution of the law or with the intent to intimidate, hinder, or interrupt any law enforcement officer in the legal performance of his or her duties" again there is an intent elment to the crime.

My personal take on this particular matter is that a civil case was probably a better way to go. I personaly don't believe that the case was strong enough for a criminal prosecution but probably would have supported a wrongfull death suit but IANAL so I could be wrong...

This is nothing new . . . the "eradication through release of great numbers of sterile insects" method has worked before on fruit flies, both in Florida, South America and Africa, and Australia. They weren't developed through direct genetic alteration, but the theory is the same.

The law you are looking for depends greatly on the state. Here is the reader's digest version of Florida Statute 794 as it relates to age of consent:

Suspect over 18 Victim under 12 = Capital Felony*
Suspect under 18 Victim over 12 = Life Felony**
Victim under 16 but over 12 = 1st degree felony
Suspect under 24 Victim 16 or 17 = Nothing provided the suspect is not in a position of trust/athority/custody.
Suspect over 24 Victim 16 or 17 = 2nd degree felony

* Capital felony is punishable by death or life in prison. There is currently case law that prevents the sate from asking for a death penalty for any crime but murder, so this in effect makes the only possible sentence for this crime life in prison.

**In FL there is no parole system, sentences are for a fixed number of years and 85% must be served before you get good behavior/gain time. Life is life meaning no release except by pardon.

F.S. 812.014 Theft -- 1) A person commits theft if he or she knowingly obtains or uses, or endeavors to obtain or use, the property of another with intent to, either temporarily or permanently: a) Deprive the other person of a right to the property or a benefit from the property. b) Appropriate the property to his or her own use or the use of any person not entitled to the use of the property.

For the love of god, read the damn thing.

I encourage you and other Republicans to be vigorous in your explanations to the people of Florida that they do not, in fact, have any right to vote for President; that right is reserved for the State Legislature. While technically true on US constitutional grounds, all 50 states have delegated, via their election laws, the right to choose the electors for president to their populations, via direct popular vote in the state.

You write cleanly, but your quoting of Florida election law engages in the same selective quotation that virtually all Republican reading of the law engages in. I therefore encourage you to download and read the Florida election code for yourself. Read it in its entirety; don't simply dive straight for the Republican salvation of 102.111. 102.111 must be taken in context, particularly with regards to 102.112.

Florida law sections 102.012 through 102.151 deal with the normal course of an election in Florida. The remaining sections deal with what to do when there is a problem. Everybody seems to fault the Florida code, when in fact it seems quite clear to me.

You state that a vote count "may be ignored" in Florida if not returned within the 7 day period. Competent reading of this section as a whole indicates that, while the deadline is highly desirable, it is optional. Late, normal returns are subject to either a fine ($200 per day, per canvassing board member, paid out of personal funds) for tardiness. It says nothing about applying the 7 day rule to manual recounts. This is a key distinction that seems to not have been made elsewhere, and it perplexes me that it has not. The 7 day rule for normal returns is entirely sensible; subjecting the recounts to that same rule is foolish.

So what does the Florida law say about recounts? It certainly doesn't say that recounts are optional. The language in the law is a little convoluted, so try to stay with me. It says that in the event of a protest, the canvassing board MAY, at its discretion, perform a manual recount of ballots in at least three precincts, of at least 1% of the votes. The canvassing board must then compare the results of the recount to the original count, and if it is found that the difference may result in a change in the outcome of the election, they SHALL a) correct the error and recount the remaining precincts OR b) request the department of state to verify the tabulation software OR c) manually recount all ballots. Confusion in interpreting this statute largely rests in those persons that have trouble separating the mention of the manual sample recount from the consequential recount of all the ballots.

So that is that. There is just no way you can read this statute to say anything other than the following: A candidate can protest the vote. A canvassing board can choose to do a sample recount. If the sample recount shows a difference that could change the outcome, the canvassing board MUST recount. And doesn't that make sense? The Republican position is that you can't have a manual recount unless the machines have had an error of some kind.

The Republicans out there aren't going to believe me, probably haven't read the statute themselves, and might find out by following the link at the top that they're wrong. So I might as well quote it directly and force them to look at it:

102.166 Protest of election returns; procedure.--

(1) Any candidate for nomination or election, or any elector qualified to vote in the election related to such candidacy, shall have the right to protest the returns of the election as being erroneous by filing with the appropriate canvassing board a sworn, written protest.

(2) Such protest shall be filed with the canvassing board prior to the time the canvassing board certifies the results for the office being protested or within 5 days after midnight of the date the election is held, whichever occurs later.

(3) Before canvassing the returns of the election, the canvassing board shall:

(a) When paper ballots are used, examine the tabulation of the paper ballots cast.

(b) When voting machines are used, examine the counters on the machines of nonprinter machines or the printer-pac on printer machines. If there is a discrepancy between the returns and the counters of the machines or the printer-pac, the counters of such machines or the printer-pac shall be presumed correct.

(c) When electronic or electromechanical equipment is used, the canvassing board shall examine precinct records and election returns. If there is a clerical error, such error shall be corrected by the county canvassing board. If there is a discrepancy which could affect the outcome of an election, the canvassing board may recount the ballots on the automatic tabulating equipment.

(4)(a) Any candidate whose name appeared on the ballot, any political committee that supports or opposes an issue which appeared on the ballot, or any political party whose candidates' names appeared on the ballot may file a written request with the county canvassing board for a manual recount. The written request shall contain a statement of the reason the manual recount is being requested.

(b) Such request must be filed with the canvassing board prior to the time the canvassing board certifies the results for the office being protested or within 72 hours after midnight of the date the election was held, whichever occurs later.

(c) The county canvassing board may authorize a manual recount. If a manual recount is authorized, the county canvassing board shall make a reasonable effort to notify each candidate whose race is being recounted of the time and place of such recount.

(d) The manual recount must include at least three precincts and at least 1 percent of the total votes cast for such candidate or issue. In the event there are less than three precincts involved in the election, all precincts shall be counted. The person who requested the recount shall choose three precincts to be recounted, and, if other precincts are recounted, the county canvassing board shall select the additional precincts.

(5) If the manual recount indicates an error in the vote tabulation which could affect the outcome of the election, the county canvassing board shall:

(a) Correct the error and recount the remaining precincts with the vote tabulation system;

(b) Request the Department of State to verify the tabulation software; or

(c) Manually recount all ballots.

(6) Any manual recount shall be open to the public.

(7) Procedures for a manual recount are as follows:

(a) The county canvassing board shall appoint as many counting teams of at least two electors as is necessary to manually recount the ballots. A counting team must have, when possible, members of at least two political parties. A candidate involved in the race shall not be a member of the counting team.

(b) If a counting team is unable to determine a voter's intent in casting a ballot, the ballot shall be presented to the county canvassing board for it to determine the voter's intent.

(8) If the county canvassing board determines the need to verify the tabulation software, the county canvassing board shall request in writing that the Department of State verify the software.

(9) When the Department of State verifies such software, the department shall:

(a) Compare the software used to tabulate the votes with the software filed with the Department of State pursuant to s. 101.5607; and

(b) Check the election parameters.

(10) The Department of State shall respond to the county canvassing board within 3 working days.

I have to agree and disagree with you on that point. As far as I can tell digging through the Florida statutes governing elections and election results, all hardcoded deadlines seem to be dependent upon the date of certification of the results (time to contest, etc.). I can't, however, seem to find anything on a deadline for certification of the vote. Seems kind of a fuzzy area...feel free to enlighten me.

--Just Another Pimp A$$ Perl Hacker

http://www.dos.state.fl.us/

It says: Please contact the Secretary of State's office by using the E-mail option to send us your thoughts, questions and suggestions. Address is: secretary@mail.dos.state.fl.us

Latest bulletin can be found at http://election.dos.state.fl.us/ (One of, 11 Domains run by the Fla Dept. of State.)

http://www.dos.state.fl.us/

It says: Please contact the Secretary of State's office by using the E-mail option to send us your thoughts, questions and suggestions. Address is: secretary@mail.dos.state.fl.us

Latest bulletin can be found at http://election.dos.state.fl.us/ (One of, 11 Domains run by the Fla Dept. of State.)

http://www.dos.state.fl.us/

It says: Please contact the Secretary of State's office by using the E-mail option to send us your thoughts, questions and suggestions. Address is: secretary@mail.dos.state.fl.us

Latest bulletin can be found at http://election.dos.state.fl.us/ (One of, 11 Domains run by the Fla Dept. of State.)

Numbers of registered voters is taken from this document. Number of votes cast for each candidate are here.

This table lists those Florida counties with 5000 or more registered Independent Party Members.
Spaces had to be replaced with periods since /. doesn't allow <pre> :(

County.....#.Ind....%.Ind.....#.Buch.....%.Buch.
---------..------...------....------.....------
Brevard......6815.....2.40......570........0.26
Duval.......10298.....2.43......650........0.25
Hillsborough10939.....2.19......845........0.23
Orange.......7751.....1.92......446........0.16
Palm.Beach..16336.....2.49.....3407........0.79
Pinellas....17614.....3.06.....1012........0.25
Volusia......5229.....2.01........0........0.00

# Ind. = Number of voters registered as Independent Party members
% Ind. = Percentage of registered voters who are registered as Independent Party members
# Buch. = Number of votes cast for Buchanan
% Buch. = Percentage of all votes cast for president which were cast for Buchanan

OK, Volusia county is itself suspicious because there were no votes counted there for anyone other than Bush or Gore. But that's a separate issue. (Strange that no one has brought that up yet. I would have thought conspiracy theorists would be jumping all over that one.)

As jbridges says, decide for yourself. I've linked the primary sources. Check those out yourself if you don't believe me, or the NewsMax.com article.

Don't get me wrong--I do not advocate a revote. I just find it very hard to believe, given these numbers, that everyone who voted for Buchanan in Palm Beach County meant to do so. So does Buchanan.

In fact, it has the highest Independent registration in Florida.

Untrue. Other counties have even more members registered with the "Independent Party".

Buchanan received 1 percent of the vote in Palm Beach County. In all the counties in Florida where there is significant Independent Party membership, Buchanan got a similiar 1 percent.

Palm Beach County gave Buchanan no more support proportionally than any other county with high Independent Party registration

Again, demonstrably untrue. Other counties with greater "Independent Party" registrations had less than 1/3 the votes for Buchanan that Palm Beach County did.

I don't know much about NewsMax.com. Are they deliberately lying, or just stupid?

"Buchanan received 1 percent of the vote in Palm Beach County."

"Palm Beach County, on the other hand, has a whopping 14,551 members of the Independent Party. In fact, it has the highest Independent registration in Florida."

Palm Beach County gave Buchanan no more support proportionally than any other county with high Independent Party registration.

Not that it's hard to rebutt these "facts";the "news" site you linked to is nothing but far-right propaganda, one doesn't need to look hard to see that. Fuck having slashdot sites for the government; Government works just fine when you do your own damn research, question authority, and think for your damn self, rather than choosing your "facts" from the endless continuum of opinionated media.

Wrong -- there are only 337 card carrying Reformers in PBC. Sodium Attack was kind enough to find a link to official Florida voter registrations.

And to add insult to your injury, ChiChi, even Pat Buchanan doesn't think those votes are his. The man may be misguided and racist, but he's honest to a fault.

There is, in fact, Florida Statute 101.151 which states &quot(3)(a) Beneath the caption and preceding the names of candidates shall be the following words: "To vote for a candidate whose name is printed on the ballot, place a cross (X) mark in the blank space at the right of the name of the candidate for whom you desire to vote.&quot.

There is also Statute 102.166 which specifies
&quot 7) Procedures for a manual recount are as follows:
(a) The county canvassing board shall appoint as many counting teams of at least two electors as is necessary to manually recount the ballots. A counting team must have, when possible, members of at least two political parties. A candidate involved in the race shall not be a member of the counting team.
(b) If a counting team is unable to determine a voter's intent in casting a ballot, the ballot shall be presented to the county canvassing board for it to determine the voter's intent.&quot

There is, in fact, Florida Statute 101.151 which states &quot(3)(a) Beneath the caption and preceding the names of candidates shall be the following words: "To vote for a candidate whose name is printed on the ballot, place a cross (X) mark in the blank space at the right of the name of the candidate for whom you desire to vote.&quot.

There is also Statute 102.166 which specifies
&quot 7) Procedures for a manual recount are as follows:
(a) The county canvassing board shall appoint as many counting teams of at least two electors as is necessary to manually recount the ballots. A counting team must have, when possible, members of at least two political parties. A candidate involved in the race shall not be a member of the counting team.
(b) If a counting team is unable to determine a voter's intent in casting a ballot, the ballot shall be presented to the county canvassing board for it to determine the voter's intent.&quot

According to Florida's own documents (PDF, sorry) there were only 337 voters registered in Palm Beach County as Reform Party members, as of October 10 of this year.

3400 votes for Buchanan is directly in line with every other Florida county that has a similar number of registered Reform Party members.

What other Florida county? No other Florida county had even 1/3 as many votes for Buchanan.

The real voting irregularity here is the moderators who voted for these lies as "informative".

I am working on a cite for his numbers as well. I think I have found them, here . I have heard that the Reform Party in Florida is called the Independent Party, and sure enough on this form it says there are 14,551 registered voters in Palm Beach county who are considered members of the Independent party.
This really hinges on Buchannan being the candidate for what Floridians call the Independent Party. I am looking for a cite on that one. It's not looking too hopeful as there is a Reform Party listed (as well as a Reform Silly Party).