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'the internet works just how it works. to be sure to have some packets go faster then others...
dont they need to inspect every packet, see who send it and then decide to put some on the slow lane?'

They'll be using a sophisticated 'packet redirection' technique, where packets will be re-routed to alternate addresses as required. Speed of delivery will not be prioritized, but packet inspection by third parties will be explicity avoided so that the recipient does not incur expensive overheads. Mr Vaizey recently prototyped this algorithm in his constituency, though there seem to have been some difficulties in the initial implementation:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5340043/Ed-Vaizey-had-2000-furniture-delivered-to-wrong-address-MPs-expenses.html

I'm willing to bet there are no terrorists whatsoever, this is all just mass hysteria, induced by opportunistic politics, grabbing of attention and votes, selling tons of security equipment, services, jobs, contracts, news, etc.

Regarding your bet, don't give up your day job.

Maybe you haven't heard, but an organization called Al Qaeda declared war on the United States, and essentially the rest of the world for not following their blighted form of Islam. You can read some of the goals of their leader, Osama Bin Laden, in Bin Laden's letter to America. As you can see, he has a fundamental hostility to democracy, non-Islamic religious belief, and many of our basic freedoms. He demands that we convert to Islam, give up democracy, drop the separation of church and state, and change many aspects of our culture or he and his minions will keep trying to kill us. He demands that we stop drinking alcohol, charging interest on bank loans, start separating the sexes, punishing homosexuality, oppress Jews, etc.

The sort term goal they have is to overthrow the governments in Arab & Muslim countries to install religious dictatorships to impose their narrow brand of Islam. They also hope to limit the spread of freedom and other "Western" ideas. Ultimately they plan to take over the world in a reborn Islamic super state. It sounds far fetched, but that is their goal. They understand that it might take 1,000 years, and that they are just moving the ball forward.

You can see a limited list of their handiwork below:

The most recent attempted bombing
The Underwear bomber
African Embassy Bombing
9/11 suicide attacks
Bali bombing
Madrid bombing
7/7 bombing in London
Another of the countless bombings in Iraq
Pakistan hotel bombing
Hotel bombing in Jordan
The "shoe bomber", and his current hijinks
Plan to attack Wembley stadium
Plan to bring down seven airliners
Attempted bombing in Germany

PS - In order to cut down on the confusion, a simple rule of them you can use is that "mass hysteria" doesn't tend to leave craters and stip the walls off buildings, collapse buildings, or rips bodies apart by shrapnel.

Apparently you don't understand that there are/were already 10x as many iPhones on the market before Android started to take off, but also that iPhones sold more units than Android last quarter. So I wouldn't say google is *owning*. They are far far behind, and they are falling even further behind. That said, #2 in smart phones is still a nice place to be.

Android was outselling iPhone worldwide last quarter. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/mobile-phones/8125725/Google-Android-becomes-second-most-popular-smartphone-operating-system.html From the article:

Google's Android operating system now has a market share of 25.5 per cent worldwide, up from 3.5 per cent in the same period a year ago, according to the latest figures from Gartner. That means the smartphone platform is now second only to Symbian, which enjoys a 36.6 per cent share, down from 44.6 per cent over the same period the previous year. It puts Google Android well ahead of rival Apple, which has a 16.7 per cent share, and Research in Motion, with a 14.8 per cent share.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/8072043/77-Inquest-suicide-bombers-used-names-of-A-Team-characters-in-text-messages.html

"Mohammed Sidique Khan and Jermaine Lindsay quoted catchphrases used by BA Baracus, played by Mr T in the 1980s television series, and referred to others as Face and Murdock.
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The terrorists then began to argue over which of them was BA and which was Face. On July 4, Khan, who killed six people at Edgware Road, sent a text to Lindsay saying: “Face you motha---- il rearrange ya face if ya stab me wiv dat needle cos i said i ain’t getin on no plain [sic] fool.” "

Also, this interview with Chris Morris should be obligatory reading for everyone.
Particularly for those people who happen to be elected officials of governments. Terrorists are mostly not criminal masterminds. In most cases, they are utterly inept.
I mean, let's face it - if you are blowing yourself up to defeat your enemy, there is a significant chance that you are doing it wrong.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/47332

Somebody is trying to sell an Apple I for over $100,000 right now. The only thing interesting about it is that it includes the original box and a tech-support reply written by Steve Jobs, who when I last checked was neither dead nor especially shy.

And now they're trying to get about $1M for Turing's papers? I guess Steve Jobs can buy them, but I don't know who else is going to drop that kind of money. Hopefully whoever does buy them will donate them to an appropriate museum or library.

56 deaths in one incident sounds a lot, but 56 deaths in one incident is actually 56 deaths ever. The IRA killed a lot more people than Al Queda and were actually a credible terrorist threat and didn't cause us to massively overreact. I can't find a total for the number of people killed by the police. Apparently 40 were killed in police-related traffic accidents in one year, so over the last 10 years a lot more people have almost certainly been killed by police than AQ. If you go for the last 30 years, and include the systematic police brutality involved with Thatcher's response to the miner's strike, then it's going to be a lot more.

what.. all of that is -sex- now?

I think that means I had sex at least a dozen times today. I've also been exposed to others' acts of sex at least 500 times.

I know SG-1 very well, and Atlantis somewhat, and although I find little flaw in the descriptions of the examples you propose.. they're just not examples of sex to me.

So a person is pregnant. Yes, that (usually, see: Vala) implies sex was had. But I don't remember any of the characters referencing this act.. nevermind -showing- it.. which is what sex would be to me.

Even in Firefly, Kaylee mentions not having had nothin' not run on batteries twixt her nethers. Is that a sexual comment? Sure. Is that -sex-? No, not unless there's an X-Rated version of the thing where they cut to a flashback showing that which she described.

As for there hardly being any sex in Dr. Who. Uhm.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/7679858/Sexed-up-Dr-Who-scenes-prompt-complaints-to-BBC.html
That certainly goes -well- beyond anything that has been in Stargate SG-1 (pilot excluded, see previous comment).

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/8120142/Christian-woman-sentenced-to-death-in-Pakistan-for-blasphemy.html

Wow, a mother of 5 sentenced to die by hanging in Pakistan, all because some Muslim country bumpkins got mad that a Christian woman had brought them water and the water was therefore unclean. "Unclean" water! First of all, I have a hard time believing that the water in rural Pakistan is all that clean to begin with. Second, the Christian woman should have let those bitches die of thirst! So much for being a good Samaritan. Can anyone deny any longer that it is IMPOSSIBLE for Islam to exist peacefully with any other religion or culture?

How's this for blasphemy? Fuck Mohammed - that vile murdering pedophile, and fuck the non-god that he serves. We don't like Muslims. They add nothing of value to the world, and in fact they most often detract from it. Can anyone deny that the world would be a much more peaceful place without Muslims getting worked up into a hysterical mob over every perceived slight?

Sincerely,
Civilization

Still, I guess that Wikipedia must know best. It's not like it can just be edited by anyone...

It has sources cited. What's your source besides your 30 year old education? I just looked at an online UK newspaper and saw the following:

Last November, he was arrested by the police and then charged in March with "creating a disturbance".

Yep.. apple certainly made sure this does not affect the Ipad by making it shut down whenever it gets too hot.

Your nuts are safe with Apple,

The UK has 36,700 more deaths in winter than in summer, mostly among the elderly. (Your blood thickens when you are cold and you are more likely to have a heart attack or stroke.) So the most likely cause of the difference in death rates would be that US homes are better insulated, being generally newer, and have better heating.

It seems questionable to me that a typical new American house, made of vinyl siding over foam board, is necessarily better insulated than an older stone or brick home. But it's certainly the case that the U.K. is farther north than most of the U.S. population, so people have a colder environment regardless of insulation, and they get less sun, thus raising the risk of vitamin D deficiency, which has been tied to a host of health problems.

Many old Victorian homes are not the "cavity brick" you are imagining, but solid brick that leads to them being cold and often damp. It's a well-known problem. Foam board would be much more insulating.

I don't believe for a minute that the music industry is much of a concern to Mr C, I would think his friends are the city types, not the music moguls.

There's a difference?

The ownership of EMI happens to be in the news at the moment - I suspect that most people would describe Terra Firma's management as "city types". I've no idea which way Guy Hands is politically inclined, however, and I suspect he's got bigger issues on his plate at the moment.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/nov/04/citigroup-wins-emi-case-nils-pratley

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/damianreece/8111628/EMI-is-the-real-loser-of-Guy-Hands-court-fight.html

A very good point.

It's possible that they may actually mean English, as healthcare is devolved to Wales, Scotland and NI:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7586147.stm

but there are significant differences in life expectancy, especially between north and south:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/scotland/7973889/Scotland-is-officially-the-sick-man-of-Britain.html

This has nothing to do with the usage of their data being 'commercial' or otherwise (despite their rather bizarre assertion that a free Android app constitutes commercial usage). It has everything to do with National Rail maintaining a monopoly over data pertaining to a public service, so that they can make money out of it.

This isn't the first time that National Rail have killed apps like this. The Apple App Store used to be full of them, until National Rail had them pulled because they competed with their own app. At £4.99, it's one of the most overpriced apps in the store, but they get away with it because they had the competition removed from the store.

And of course Walmart is also selling the ipad and iPod, two of the top three gifts in Santa's email inbox this holiday season. For the other of the top three they offer hundreds of iPhone accessories.

Vitamin D is needed by the immune system: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/7379094/Vitamin-D-triggers-and-arms-the-immune-system.html
http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/treatment.shtml
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--NqqB2nhBE

And whole foods (especially vegetables, fruits, and legumes) help you have a disease resistant body:
http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/diet-myths-the-food-pyramid-of-the-insane.html
http://www.seriouseats.com/2007/11/the-subsidized-food-pyramid.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPiR9VcuVWw
http://www.healthpromoting.com/Articles/articles/PleasureTrap.htm

Though a good mental attitude, exercise, infrastructure, good sleep, thankfulness, meditating on the great mystery, etc. can help with general wellness, too.
http://books.google.com/books?id=bCuC2H-6k_8C
http://books.google.com/books?id=RKZreNYKNHQC
http://www.bluezones.com/makeover-about
http://www.marcinequenzer.com/creation.htm#The%20Field%20of%20Plenty
http://www.webmd.com/sleep-disorders/guide/important-sleep-habits

Yeah, we need to eliminate mathematics from education because the economist's wet dream of Homo economicus is already working too well. What's sad is to see a statistician write this. For shame, for absolute shame. Statistics are quoted in every newspaper and on every TV station every day, mostly to the befuddlement of the general public.

The problem is that we don't want an educated public who regards the following paper as common sense:

Lies, Damned Lies, and Medical Science

Or course what I'm saying is not original to me. Dweebs everywhere are catching on.

Arthur Benjamin's formula for changing math education

Although I would say that the principle of calculus is important. The problem with calculus is that we can't resist testing ugly mechanics. I guess we have our grade three spelling teacher to thank for that. Great literature, but can't spell during a flood of inspiration? Go to the back of the class.

Jane Austen's famous prose may not be hers after all

Regurgitating trig identities as evidence of grasping calculus has an electric chair utility function in the non-engineering population. But seriously, 16% of American GDP spent on health care, largely at the mercy of corporate observational studies, and a statistician is arguing that math education is overrated. Oh, the humanity! How about the general population having the vaguest clue about long tails and concentration of risk?

What Alan Greenspan got wrong is that while heads-up poker is a zero sum game and self interest carries the day, multiparty poker is subject to implicit collusion. You just need one weak player at the table bleeding a big stack for the poker sharks at the table to lick their chops collectively and organize for a division of spoils.

In the world of Goldman Sachs, the chump at the table is the average wage slave trying to save for retirement with no mathematical tools whatsoever. "Listen, here's the thing. If you can't spot the sucker in the first half hour at the table, then you ARE the sucker." So, after one viewing of Fox News, you're expected to know the score. If the general public wasn't trained by public education to play over their heads, the financial elite might be subject to the market discipline of having to play at a table of equals. The horror! The horror!

Williard: They told me that you had gone totally insane, and that your market discipline was unsound.
Goldman: Is my market discipline unsound?
Williard: I don't see any market discipline at all, sir.
Goldman: Who needs discipline when education is bliss?
Williard: These savages have K12?
Photographer: One through nine, no maybes, no supposes, no fractions.
Williard: Are you giving up America for a Playmate of the Month?
Goldman: Playmate of the Year, chief, Playmate of the Year.
Williard: What's in it for the crew?
Goldman: Would you believe 'sloppy seconds'?
Willard: You're the asshole of the world, major!

Playmate of the Year: Who are you?
Cleaned out: I'm next, ma'am.
Playmate: Are you crazy, Goddammit? Don't you think it's a little risky for your 401(k)?

Willard: Charlie Brown didn't get much USO. He was dug in too deep or bleeding too fast. His idea of great retirement was cold grits and a little bush meat. He had only two ways home: death, or bingo, the largest risk his education had trained him to comprehend.

I have serious doubts that Al Qaeda - at least, as portrayed by the media - exists.

I believe there are fundamentalist factions that want nothing less than to return civilisation to the fourteenth century and will blow things up to achieve it. But I think they're rare and consist of independent groups of nutters - occasionally one of those groups succeeds in causing harm, usually it fails miserably. I mean really, what sort of moron ships a printer full of explosives from an arabic country to a synagogue in the US and then leaves a traceable phone number with the shipping company? You might as well print "Danger: Explosives!" in big letters all over the box.

This idea of an organised, worldwide, cell-based terror organisation for whom there are almost no limits to what they can achieve working to organise these attacks doesn't hold water on the very simple grounds that I don't believe such a group would have such a poor hit rate.

We haven't had a major terrorist incident in the US for a while. Why?

A: There hasn't been any credible ability to do so by the bad guys
B: Nobody wants to harm the US any more
C: The counterterrorism efforts have prevented such an attack
For ANY of the above choices, how do you know? I mean, REALLY know, not just guessing or trying to shout louder than the guy next to you whose opinion is different than yours?

Survey says....C!

Al Qaeda Video Asks Detroit-Area Muslims to Act
US warned of mail bomb terror tactic last month
Explosive found in Dubai, part of US terror probe
'US terrorist tried to bring slaughter to subway in Washington'
US man pleads guilty in 'South Park' terror threat
'US thrice shared non-specific inputs on Mumbai attack'
Terrorist in failed LAX attack violated prison release with gun purchase
14 Charged with Aiding Terror Group Al-Shabab
Former Staten Island Resident Nabbed in Attempt to Join Taliban
Feds: NYC Subway Plotters Targeted London, Too (From July)

And in other news....

Osama bin Laden threatens French troops, criticizes France burqa ban
Canadian sentenced for leading terrorism plot
Hotels need EU help to defend against attack
MI6 chief Sir John Sawers says secrecy is vital to keep UK safe
Eight Britons 'trained in Pakistan for European terror strikes'
New security threat at Commonwealth Games, police, army seize explosives
British bobbies get SAS training, new weapons in wake of Mumbai-style terror threats
Gunmen storm Parliament in Chechnya, 6 dead
Bomb on bus in Philippines kills 10, wounds 9
Saudis warn Europe of terr

This is exactly what's happening right now in the so called BRIC nations. I don't know if it will be a drawback if the scenario in TFA unfolds.

No, i'm talking about the hours of downtime that the previous system experienced (my bad 7 hours not 8). It was a simple fact (get the facts haha).

When one of the numerous Linux exchanges goes down for that long then call me.

Apple has made PLENTY of bad design decisions. Plenty of lists: here, here, etc.

-- Barbie

At least google does some really neat shit that advances human tech and over all quality of life for the masses. As opposed to these wall street dens of fucking scumbag thieves who are nothing more than leeches and parasites.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/8074417/Goldman-Sachs-pay-and-bonus-pool-hits-13bn.html

The neat stuff google does, or toxic derivative "financial products" that destroyed the global economy outside of asia then got bailed out to the tune of TRILLIONS, not billions, trillions of various currency units that all of us peons get to pay back one way or the other.

A little perspective is needed here on what is a ripoff or not.

They cannot change. The entire business model of the last couple of centuries has been altered drastically. Their existing models is founded and based on how things USED to work, that no longer work. They are dead and dying. This is nothing more than the buggy whip manufacturers in the age of automobiles. They cannot change their model because what they are selling is no longer needed.

This isn't to say that news isn't needed, because we're getting news. It is just that it is unfiltered, unedited and raw. We don't get the edited video, we get the whole reel (archaic reference). We see how news is being fabricated to support one particular view or another. Instead of seeing the "evil Israeli hit and running a Palestinian young boy", we see the unedited video showing that the whole thing was a setup, including an "impartial photographer" picking up a rocks as part of the ambush.

How it is being reported in the news
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/palestinianauthority/8051813/Palestinian-boy-run-over-by-Jewish-settler-in-East-Jerusalem.html

Here's the rest of the story
http://hipsterjew.com/2010/10/12/man-runs-over-boy/

Why should we listen to propaganda presented as news? If this was an isolated incident, I would toss it aside. But it isn't. Much of what comes to us from "official news sources" is biased edited crap that is designed to illicit emotional reactions to shape opinions, be it from FAUX News or NY Times.

The problem with scientists is that they are no more able to predict the unintended consequences of the actions they promote than anyone else. The difference is that they don't realise it, because people like you hold them up as Delphic Oracles. They are just as likely to make catastrophic errors, resulting in millions of deaths, as politicians are.

I wonder why it's a different story in the UK, where this has just been published in their 'The Independent' - note the comment about there being no 'public subsidy':

Where's the link to the story? Here's one of my own: British Energy. Notice how it says "It operated former UK state-owned nuclear power stations: eight nuclear power stations and a coal fired power station." Googling for British Energy Generation Limited profit I found this article from May 2008: British Energy profits hit by nuclear shutdowns. While it does say the company made profits, it says those profits were higher than expected because of higher prices. Another article, British Energy Plc Business Information, Profile, and History says British Energy was privatized in 1996. Considering the source, www.no2nuclearpower.org.uk is a big hint it's anti-nuclear power, but Nuclear Subsidies - how the market is rigged in favour of dangerous nuclear electricity [pdf] explains how nuclear power in the UK is subsidized. Also biased Greenpeace has the pdf Invest in a Clean Energy Future which also says nuclear power gets direct and indirect subsidies. Googling British Energy Generation Limited subsidies results in more links saying nuclear power does get subsidies. As does British nuclear power subsidies.

"The Government today dropped plans to build a 10-mile barrage across the Severn estuary to generate "green" electricity from tides.

Okay, the UK dropped plans to subsidize a tidal energy project.

But the Department of Energ

IPCC: Criticism of the IPCC

In 2010, an independent investigation into the IPCC recommended that the body focus more on explaining the science behind any changes in global temperature, and less on lobbying activities.source

IPCC chair says we need quicker intervention on Climate Change
Rajendra Pachauri, the IPCC chair, admitted at the launch of this report that since the IPCC began work on it, scientists have recorded "much stronger trends in climate change", like the unforeseen dramatic melting of polar ice in the summer of 2007,source and added, "that means you better start with intervention much earlier".source

And numerous other examples on the Wikipedia page complete with sources.

If your 'science' organization is being told it should really stop doing lobbying work and concentrate more on science...well that sorta speaks for itself.

I thought the second hand book trade was booming? Because of bargains being sought on Amazon/Abe Books etc. It's publishers' back catalogue sales that are suffering.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8059246/Saudi-Prince-slept-in-double-bed-with-manservant.html

FTA: "He said the detectives did not understand the Saudi Arabian culture, where men regularly travel together as companions."

Actually, we understand it quite well. You were both homosexuals, and members of a religion that still to this day advocates executing homosexuals. Hence, you were terrified to be open about your sexuality. This is quite common in Arab culture, where men can be seen strolling around hand-in-hand while their wives are forced to either stay home or walk several paces behind like the family dog.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/onthefrontline/3949099/Royal-Marine-killed-on-Christmas-Eve-in-Afghanistan.html
have a read of "it was revealed that RAF Nimrod surveillance planes monitoring Taliban radio signals in Afghanistan had heard militants speaking with Yorkshire and Midlands accents."
You really think its "impractical" to seek the same voice prints back in the US, UK?
eg. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1268535/Superspy-sky-soon-patrolling-British-cities-search-hidden-terror-cells.html
"The three Britten-Norman Islander aircraft are all fitted with sophisticated surveillance equipment. They have been used to track down terror cells and to locate former Afghan veterans who may have returned to Britain to plot terror attacks."
Someone is interested. I understand the sat had 240 channels at the start, by the 1980's ~30000.

Interesting to note your choices were all from the public sector. It's true that this is what the government has control over, but yet again it feels like the private sector has screwed up and the public sector has to take the hit to sort things out. The invisible hand of the market pickpocketting the public purse again.

Depressinly, it seems the UK government values footballers more than scientists. Premiership football players can get special dispensation on clearing immigration paperwork to work in the UK. This year's UK based (immigrant) Nobel peace prizing winning scientists pleaded that the government also gives some consideration to easing the path for scientists from other countries to work in the UK in the same way. The UK government is not having it - clearly David Cameron and his friends believe that entertainment is more important than science. "Bread and circuses" again....

It's time scientists made their opinions known - very depressing I am sure to be working in an environment where your country's leader has announced he prefers a good football league over a decent science programme.

"The real question is if Marijuana was legal what will be the increase in use"

Your question and the statements that follow imply that you believe legalisation would lead to an increase in use. This is not as clear-cut as you suspect. If Portugal is anything to go by, decriminalisation of all drug usage (not just marijuana) would actually lead to a decrease in drug usage. For example, a Cato Institute study found that:

"Drug use among 13- to 15-year-olds fell from 14.1 per cent in 2001 to 10.6 per cent in 2006. Among 16- to 18-year-olds it has dropped from 27.6 per cent to 21.6 per cent. This, incidentally, has come after years of steadily increasing drug use among the young; between 1995 and 2001, use in the 16-to-18 bracket leapt up from 14.1 per cent to its 2001 high. This drop has come against a background of increasing drug use across the rest of the EU."

The man behind the research concluded that, “Judging by every metric, decriminalization in Portugal has been a resounding success.” The evidence would suggest that, being able to divert more resources to education, support, and health to tackle drug abuse, has a much more positive effect in reducing drug uptake and usage.

Excuse me? I quote "the deluded SUV drivers of the world" unquote? Maybe if somebody was proposing REAL solutions instead of cap and trade, which BTW just FYI the big spokesman pushing for cap and trade is a hypocrite who will make out like a robber baron if crap and trade is passed.

Let me enlighten you as to what will happen if crap and trade is passed: The USA, which has already lost 42 THOUSAND factories since 2001, and that ain't a typo folks, that's not factory jobs, that is total FACTORIES just since 2001, will have NO way at all to compete in a global market because India and China, and rightly so, will tell you where to stick your credits and thus what few jobs not being a CEO, lawyer, or working at MickyD, will be gone. Now is Rev Al demanding we close off trade with India and China? Nope because he and his pals are making out like robber barons on cheap labor, not to mention taking bribes in the past from China. Meanwhile the "green economy" they keep blowing up our collective butts? That will be in ASIA, NOT the USA. The #1 selling low power computing device is the smart phone, which looks to replace the PC for many. Guess how many of those are made in the USA? Why zero of course!

So when I see some REAL solutions proposed, ones that will actually allow us to have a functional industry and not hamstring the USA or turn us into a third world hellhole, well then I'll be happy to sign up. More nuclear, solar and wind powerplants? ALL for it. But cap and trade is a scam, being run by the the same group that destroyed our economy. I'm sure I'll be modded to hell for daring to say anything other than "go green" but I frankly don't care. I can see first hand what these same bozo the clowns have done to our economy by simply looking out my window at the boarded up store fronts. And whether those here at /. care to admit it or not AGW has become political, with those that dare to say anything other than "the consensus agrees" getting treated like a nut.

If all the AGWers supported REAL change, like refusing to trade with massive polluters like India and China until they cleaned up their acts? Like putting Americans to work building new nuclear plants so we can kill the coal ones? Again ALL for it. Instead what we get is BS like "clean coal" and "green economy" with no actual numbers to back them up. If you support real change then it is time to put our foot down. Demand nuclear plants replace the coal plants, demand we stop trading with countries that poison the air and water, demand realistic caps NOT cap and trade BS. Because frankly all we are getting from the self appointed "guardians of the planet" is a ponzi scheme which will make them billions off the poor. Oh and if you think cap and trade will get rid of coal plants? Think Again.

Actually, it's not a sterling engine. They're going to use Obama himself to power the Whitehouse: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/8043237/Human-waste-used-to-power-homes.html

Even this doesn't equal 10 crimes total. Met police say 1000 cameras to solve one crime, but they don't state over what amount of time. Per day? Per year? Per lifetime?

This does make more sense then what I had first thought, thank you for the clarification

Yeah it does. Read the article, it even says so:
It says, quite clearly, right at the top: "For every 1,000 cameras in London, less than one crime is solved per year.".

Again, the article is here. Or here. I know it's unusual to read an article and easier just to reply with your opinions, but it does answer all your questions.

The only complaint you could have is over whether this works out to £20,000 per crime solved, or £2,000,000.

I've calculated it as 10,000 cameras, £200 million cost, that's £2,000 per camera per year. We know 1/1000 crimes are solved by cameras, so 1000*2000=£2m. There is another way to calculate it, I'll let you figure out why the police calculated it as £20,000.

Whether its £20,000 or £2,000,000 to solve one crime; it's still too high - and considering that crime is reduced by 20% just by having street lighting, it just doesn't make any sense.

The figures I was referring to were in the telegraph article yes, but you hadn't posted that one up before, which is why I was asking where the "TWO MILLION POUNDS to solve ONE CRIME" stuff was coming from.

I appreciate attempts to educate me, I know I'm ignorant on many topics, but saying "I'll get out the crayons" when you hadn't actually linked all the articles you were getting your figures from felt very insulting to me.

I guessed you missed the bit about only 1/1000 crimes being caught by cameras. I had mentioned that statistic - I didn't realise that negating to put a link caused you to call me an arsehole.

Especially when I then explain WHERE the stat came from; and you say "Why bother to provide references at all if you were only going to link half of them" - all the info was there in the post you replied to.

Anyway, that statistic is fairly widely available.

I'll try and remember to cite every single source next time.

Still, I'm a little offended at being called a 'conspiracy theorist' for giving real-world statistics. In reality it's more like the other way around.

Thanks for trying to help, but I don't get this figure you keep throwing around:

Look at the first link. It's costing TWO MILLION POUNDS to solve ONE CRIME.

As I mentioned elsewhere, I don't see that in the article, and I hope nobody else believes what you are saying without checking up your facts too.

I'll get out the crayons and explain this to you. All these figures come from this article, and this one.

From the first line of the first article: "London has 10,000 crime-fighting CCTV cameras which cost £200 million" (over the last ten years).
From the second article: "For every 1,000 cameras in London, less than one crime is solved per year"

Now here's the maths bit:
If there are 10,000 cameras (which there are), and 1/1000 crimes are solved with CCTV; that is 10 crimes per year solved by CCTV. With me so far?
Those 10,000 cameras cost £200 million over ten years. That is £20 million a year for 10,000 cameras.
Remember, 10,000 CCTV cameras solved 10 crimes per year. £20 million divided by 10 is £2 million.

So it cost £2 million to solve one crime. That's £2 million per crime solved.

Bit more expensive than employing a £30,000 Bobbie; and way more than a PCSO. I'd hope that it wouldn't take more than 50 rozzers to solve one crime per year.

Kenya, Somalia, and the Ivory Coast are not exactly western democracies and have all been exposed for various things. Oh and as for Iran http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/7910926/Wikileaks-Afghanistan-Iran-accused-of-supporting-Taliban-attacks.html

Yeah, because there was no way death panels could ever happen in the real world. No way at all.

There is, and never was, a need to villify the messenger. Socialized medicine has its insurmountable problems. The big one is who gets to decide how much to spend keeping a random person alive. Palin was attacked for this, because you and the left dislike the unavoidable aspect of this ridiculous legislation and would rather not have a rational discussion about it.

Yeah, because there was no way death panels could ever happen in the real world. No way at all.

There is, and never was, a need to villify the messenger. Socialized medicine has its insurmountable problems. The big one is who gets to decide how much to spend keeping a random person alive. Palin was attacked for this, because you and the left dislike the unavoidable aspect of this ridiculous legislation and would rather not have a rational discussion about it.

And the students in Spain...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/5005022/Teens-capture-images-of-space-with-56-camera-and-balloon.html

+5 Insightful. The 'helium balloon + styrofoam + camera + GPS-enabled device' trick has been done before. Just an example.

Also, 30 Km-height != space.

They've chose to put people's lives at risk over a poorly considered project. China: cracks in the Three Gorges Dam, so 300,000 people can wave goodbye to their homes

I didn't say I admired their implementation, just that they are capable of making a decision at the national level to accept short term inconveniences to reap long term benefits. Something that the US has a hard time with. I think that article has at least a little bit of media sensationalize, btw.

Wow, either trolling or you're a complete moron. It's pretty well established that the dams are harming the salmon and preventing them from going back to the way they used to be.

The Chinese government doesn't deserve any admiration for that. They've chose to put people's lives at risk over a poorly considered project. China: cracks in the Three Gorges Dam, so 300,000 people can wave goodbye to their homes

Yeah, that sounds like something I want my government doing. At least with the dams, there's scientific research to back the idea that the dams are harming our fishing industry. All so that we can sell the power that we don't use or need to the Californians that don't care about the effects it has on our economy.

This argument would have more weight if it were not for the fact that because of Wikileaks we have been made more aware of conspiracies to cover up illegal activities ...

We have? Example, please?

Sure

and that some of those groups whose actions have been uncovered are actively trying to discredit Wikileaks and limit its ability to function

Oh, I see. More paranoia. NM then.

There is evidence for that, too.

But judging from your condescending tone, I don't expect fact to sway your opinion, so please continue.

It's like a classic British mistake: The UK military wanted to go with the times and registered a site on the internet called getfitta, after their training routine Get FitTA.... what they didn't realize was the in Swedish, getfitta is a rude name for goat genitalia.

It appears that he was a miner who received a redundancy payment and used it to start a business making wire cages that were filled with earth to stabilize canal banks. The military found these useful for building blast walls in Iraq and bought a bunch of them. I'm sure he did well as a military contractor but that was not his business.

Sad for the family.

It's very easy to invite people to your party on Facebook. perhaps too easy. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/facebook/8012043/Girl-14-fears-21000-party-guests-after-Facebook-invite-blunder.html http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/feb/12/facebook-party-mayfair-riot-police http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23722118-im-proud-my-facebook-party-cost-police-10000.do

It would be so wonderful if there was a way to find out what really happened...

Alas, we have to live in ignorance.
 

So you are trying to say that your comment is somehow more better or that my comment isn't accurate just because someone with mod points modded you up?

And you are giving moderators on Slashdot that much credit? I didn't know that facts were subject to popularity or vote. I always thought they just existed and some idiots choose to ignore them.

Maybe you should take a nic similar to mine, perhaps something with the term idiot in it as you probably need it.