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Getting a decent music player that does OGG and normal USB mass transfer is still not cheap or easy. The Xiph list is informative. Iriver players are one of the few ogg players widely available. They don't do USBfs out of the box, and I suspect most "works for sure" players suck that way and you won't find a good cheap player down the street in the US. This leaves you needing to copy your music to mp3 in order to enjoy any of the bazillion cheap portable music players out there but available music managers don't deal with this very well. Even then, finding a player that also works with USBfs is hit and miss.

PDA's running Familiar, OZ or whathave you may provide a better route to music than music players do.

See TuxMobil for Centrino Duo on Linux laptops and notebooks. Yesterday the first installation report about Linux on a laptop with Dual Core (aka Yonah) has arrived. And I expect even more soon. Sidenote: in previous threads 64bit CPUs have been discussed as alternative solution. Linux on laptops and notebooks with 64bit CPU (AMD64) is already widespread.

See TuxMobil for Centrino Duo on Linux laptops and notebooks. Yesterday the first installation report about Linux on a laptop with Dual Core (aka Yonah) has arrived. And I expect even more soon. Sidenote: in previous threads 64bit CPUs have been discussed as alternative solution. Linux on laptops and notebooks with 64bit CPU (AMD64) is already widespread.

As if there were only Opera and Microsoft. Ever heard of these people? Or these people, who seem to be coming up in the news a lot lately? Plus there's always these people, these people and these people.

The smartphone market is a very competitive place.

I had an AgendaVR3 and it runs X11 and found it to be quite snappy. I admit it was only using a grayscale video mode and had a low-res display, so it did not need much frame buffer memory or pixmap cache. But it only had 8MB of RAM to run linux/X11 out of, on a 66MHz cpu.

This is proof that the parent poster is right, you can run these things on a limited device, if the distro is designed for that. There are debian-based palmtop distros out there that do just fine, it's quite obvious from the features and screenshots that the Nokia 770 is NOT running stock debian.

The first time some Linux user called tech support for a $300 linux machine, there goes their profit on that sale.

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http://www.xandros.com/

http://tuxmobil.org/reseller.html
http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/pre-installed
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http://tuxmobil.org/ (general information)

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If you want to run a UniX operating system on old hardware, for example a mobile computer with 286CPU, Minix is the operating system of choice. Here are installation reports about MiniX on old laptops, notebooks and PDAs. There is also ELKS a Linux version with support for 286CPUs, but ELKS doesn't seem to be maintained anymore. Here are some installation reports about Linux on laptops and notebooks with 286CPU.

If you want to run a UniX operating system on old hardware, for example a mobile computer with 286CPU, Minix is the operating system of choice. Here are installation reports about MiniX on old laptops, notebooks and PDAs. There is also ELKS a Linux version with support for 286CPUs, but ELKS doesn't seem to be maintained anymore. Here are some installation reports about Linux on laptops and notebooks with 286CPU.

If you are like me, the first thing you did is to check and see if Linux runs on it...

Linux Devices Review
Tuxmobil list of successful installs
and
Handtops guide to installing Debian

Note:
It is also possible to make it a dual boot (of course!), just in case you actually wanted XP.

You must be new to this interweb thing.

Rule #1: Chances are, liunx or bsd will run on [insert name]
Rule #2: Chances are, google will find information regarding rule #1.

Like here, 2nd google result.

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Chance would be a fine thing. Being windows-ignorant I first slung GNU/linux onto a cf-25 in 1996 and racked up nearly half a million miles with it before replacing it with a T1 which I am now bumming round marinas in the balkans with. Great kit (survived falls from moving westfalia van, soakings in the tropics and all kinds of abuse) but forget support: UK support won't even answer your emails on OS neutral hardware questions 85% of the time.

Before straying too far off topic, I doubt the development of drivers for panasonic embedded linux products is going to leak over into helping out the toughbook user who wants a copy of lindvd or needs to get that SD slot working. On the upside though, most everything on my T1 already works out of the box with SuSE 9.3 (except the SD card slot, but including the winmodem and acpi). Things aint the labour of love they used to be 10 years ago. Check out the reviews of toughbooks on Werner Heuser's invaluable tuxmobil.org.

Linux on toughbooks always struck me as being an ideal combination (all the tools you need for any bizzare geek situation in any corner of the globe). Anyone know of any large organisations using toughbooks with customised linux (with or without Panasonics complicity)?

Any chance this would run other distributions like Debian, or maybe even a *BSD like NetBSD (I do know that OpenBSD runs on the PalmOne Treo 600)? I looked at the product section of MontaVista Software and it seems to be a commercial distribution with no "community edition." The only thing close to free as in beer is the free preview kit I wonder if it would be possible to apply their source packages to come up with a free (as in beer as well as speech) distribution, like CentOS did with RedHat Enterprise Linux. Does this already exist? I realize distribution maintainers need to eat, but I think the pricing model of Xandros would be better, if not a distribution like Debian or Slackware. OTOH, I see some Debian packages for cell phones here., and there is a page for *BSD on mobile devices (cell phones, PDA, laptops) here.

Any chance this would run other distributions like Debian, or maybe even a *BSD like NetBSD (I do know that OpenBSD runs on the PalmOne Treo 600)? I looked at the product section of MontaVista Software and it seems to be a commercial distribution with no "community edition." The only thing close to free as in beer is the free preview kit I wonder if it would be possible to apply their source packages to come up with a free (as in beer as well as speech) distribution, like CentOS did with RedHat Enterprise Linux. Does this already exist? I realize distribution maintainers need to eat, but I think the pricing model of Xandros would be better, if not a distribution like Debian or Slackware. OTOH, I see some Debian packages for cell phones here., and there is a page for *BSD on mobile devices (cell phones, PDA, laptops) here.

You may still nominate Free Software projects for the TuxMobil GNU/Linux Award 2005.

Found these:

Palm running Linux

Not my language by hey cool ntl
Nice collection of links

I have the Palm T3 and would love to convert the ROM to Linux.

Wheee...where do I start?

I've been a tablet owner for almost two months. (Acer 303 -- manufacturer has bad rep and it does feel a little cheap, but I liked the price and the ability to have a 2nd battery). I'm not going back to a regular laptop.

Re Linux -- Tablets run linux. The writeable screen is essentially a combined LCD display and a Wacom tablet.

Re Handwriting recognition -- started out much better than I expected, and only improved from there. Expect more problems when working with technical terms or internet addresses, because the on-board dictionary needs to be trained to such terms.

Re Slate vs Convertible and Keyboard Sizes -- Tablets with larger screens can support larger keyboards, of course. I prefer my convertible form factor to a slate because I still do need a keyboard from time to time -- especially for coding and spreadsheets.

Of course, when I'm at my home office, I connect to a port replicator, and end up working in tablet mode...but with external monitor, keyboard, and trackball attached -- best of all worlds for office-type work.

To expand your list you may check the TuxMobil international overview of vendors which sell laptops and notebooks with Linux pre-installed. BTW: the survey also includes vendors which offer PDAs and mobile phones with Linux.

Besides Linux On Laptops, there is also TuxMobil: Linux with Laptops, Notebooks, PDAs, Mobile Phones and Portable Computers. You may find links to more than 3,200 Linux installation reports on laptops and notebooks, an international overview of Linux Laptop, Notebook and PDA Vendors and Linux hardware compatibility lists for different mobile accessories.

Besides Linux On Laptops, there is also TuxMobil: Linux with Laptops, Notebooks, PDAs, Mobile Phones and Portable Computers. You may find links to more than 3,200 Linux installation reports on laptops and notebooks, an international overview of Linux Laptop, Notebook and PDA Vendors and Linux hardware compatibility lists for different mobile accessories.

Besides Linux On Laptops, there is also TuxMobil: Linux with Laptops, Notebooks, PDAs, Mobile Phones and Portable Computers. You may find links to more than 3,200 Linux installation reports on laptops and notebooks, an international overview of Linux Laptop, Notebook and PDA Vendors and Linux hardware compatibility lists for different mobile accessories.

At TuxMobil you may find many links to Linux installation reports on Tablet PCs as well as a survey of drivers and useful applications.

> german (food) companies are somewhat known to defend their trademarks.

It works the other way around, too. A French publishing company (Les éditions Albert René, sorry no link as they doesn't seem to have a Website. editions-albert-rene.com is ironically enough owned by a cybersquatter) sued a German about the domain mobilix.org (you see, they publish the Asterix [fr] comic books, and they thought the name Mobilix was too close to the Obelix character). Despite there being huge piles of names ending in -ix (does Unix rings a bell ?), the German courts sided with the publisher, forcing the site to relocate. You can find more about this fiasco at its new address.

So, does this mean French or German courts are full of slimy judges who do not understand a thing to technology (or like big business) ? I do not think so. For instance, recently, a German court upheld the GPL against a WiFi router manufacturer, and at least one French court confirmed it was legal to download files from P2P networks (as long as there was no sharing, which kills a bit the point of P2P, but they couldn't go against the written copyright law). The problem is that trademark laws seem stronger in Europe, and the judges are simply doing their job. And sometimes, businesses are on the losing end : five years ago, Vivendi was forced to pay [fr] a huge sum to an individual who had previously registered a mark similar to their own, Vizzavi...

> german (food) companies are somewhat known to defend their trademarks.

It works the other way around, too. A French publishing company (Les éditions Albert René, sorry no link as they doesn't seem to have a Website. editions-albert-rene.com is ironically enough owned by a cybersquatter) sued a German about the domain mobilix.org (you see, they publish the Asterix [fr] comic books, and they thought the name Mobilix was too close to the Obelix character). Despite there being huge piles of names ending in -ix (does Unix rings a bell ?), the German courts sided with the publisher, forcing the site to relocate. You can find more about this fiasco at its new address.

So, does this mean French or German courts are full of slimy judges who do not understand a thing to technology (or like big business) ? I do not think so. For instance, recently, a German court upheld the GPL against a WiFi router manufacturer, and at least one French court confirmed it was legal to download files from P2P networks (as long as there was no sharing, which kills a bit the point of P2P, but they couldn't go against the written copyright law). The problem is that trademark laws seem stronger in Europe, and the judges are simply doing their job. And sometimes, businesses are on the losing end : five years ago, Vivendi was forced to pay [fr] a huge sum to an individual who had previously registered a mark similar to their own, Vizzavi...

The Simputer Linux PDA has a similar approach offering cheap Linux PDAs for India.

The Simputer Linux PDA has a similar approach offering cheap Linux PDAs for India.

There is a small community of people using Solaris on Laptops and Notebooks already.

But there are many, which have cleared up their mind. Just a few days ago TuxMobil has announced the 3.000th Linux laptop and notebook installation report.

There have been even more mobile (cell) phones with Linux announced, e.g. from the German company Invair, from Curitel, Datang, E28, Motorola, NEC, PalmPalm, Panasonic, Samsung and Yuhua.

Largely a good basic article, however it does mention Centrino laptops don't work with Linux, this isn't true anymore.

Good guide on Linux on Centrino

http://tuxmobil.org/centrino.html

TIP

* Check the manufacturer’s website for a list of compatible hardware prior to choosing an OS.

Jokes aside, I bought (ie assembled at home) a PC which I picked off the hardware HOWTO. Ended up being a charm to get Linux working on it. I would like to call that Voting with your Money.

If you want to get a complete (hopefully) survey of vendors, which sell Linux PDAs (as well as notebooks and laptops), there is one at TuxMobil.

Most phone manufacturers have custom SDKs (including emulators), usually freely available, that support either their own language or Java. Search the manufacturers site, these are usually well hidden inside the business section.

Siemens has a good toolkit:
http://developers.sun.com/prodtech/javatools/jssta ndard/reference/techart/siemens.html
https://communication-market.siemens.de/portal/mai n.aspx?LangID=0&MainMenuID=2&LeftID=2&pid=1&cid=0& tid=3000&xid=0

http://tuxmobil.org/phones_linux.html Has alot of info/links on Cell Phones and programming for them

There are methods to prevent laptops, notebooks, PDAs, .. from theft. These methods are especially suited for Linux machines.

Just in case you are interested in Linux connectivity to other portable audio and video players, there are reports for Apple iPod, Archos JukeBox, Creative Nomad MuVo, Diamond Rio, Sony Diskman and many more models. There is also a survey of Linux Applications for Portable Music and Video Players, links to free music (GPLed or under Creative Commons license and tips and tricks about repairing, upgrading and disassembling your portable media player.

Just in case you are interested in Linux connectivity to other portable audio and video players, there are reports for Apple iPod, Archos JukeBox, Creative Nomad MuVo, Diamond Rio, Sony Diskman and many more models. There is also a survey of Linux Applications for Portable Music and Video Players, links to free music (GPLed or under Creative Commons license and tips and tricks about repairing, upgrading and disassembling your portable media player.

Just in case you are interested in Linux connectivity to other portable audio and video players, there are reports for Apple iPod, Archos JukeBox, Creative Nomad MuVo, Diamond Rio, Sony Diskman and many more models. There is also a survey of Linux Applications for Portable Music and Video Players, links to free music (GPLed or under Creative Commons license and tips and tricks about repairing, upgrading and disassembling your portable media player.

Just in case you are interested in Linux connectivity to other portable audio and video players, there are reports for Apple iPod, Archos JukeBox, Creative Nomad MuVo, Diamond Rio, Sony Diskman and many more models. There is also a survey of Linux Applications for Portable Music and Video Players, links to free music (GPLed or under Creative Commons license and tips and tricks about repairing, upgrading and disassembling your portable media player.

Just in case you are interested in Linux connectivity to other portable audio and video players, there are reports for Apple iPod, Archos JukeBox, Creative Nomad MuVo, Diamond Rio, Sony Diskman and many more models. There is also a survey of Linux Applications for Portable Music and Video Players, links to free music (GPLed or under Creative Commons license and tips and tricks about repairing, upgrading and disassembling your portable media player.

Just in case you are interested in Linux connectivity to other portable audio and video players, there are reports for Apple iPod, Archos JukeBox, Creative Nomad MuVo, Diamond Rio, Sony Diskman and many more models. There is also a survey of Linux Applications for Portable Music and Video Players, links to free music (GPLed or under Creative Commons license and tips and tricks about repairing, upgrading and disassembling your portable media player.

Just in case you are interested in Linux connectivity to other portable audio and video players, there are reports for Apple iPod, Archos JukeBox, Creative Nomad MuVo, Diamond Rio, Sony Diskman and many more models. There is also a survey of Linux Applications for Portable Music and Video Players, links to free music (GPLed or under Creative Commons license and tips and tricks about repairing, upgrading and disassembling your portable media player.

Just in case you are interested in Linux connectivity to other portable audio and video players, there are reports for Apple iPod, Archos JukeBox, Creative Nomad MuVo, Diamond Rio, Sony Diskman and many more models. There is also a survey of Linux Applications for Portable Music and Video Players, links to free music (GPLed or under Creative Commons license and tips and tricks about repairing, upgrading and disassembling your portable media player.

Just in case you are interested in Linux connectivity to other portable audio and video players, there are reports for Apple iPod, Archos JukeBox, Creative Nomad MuVo, Diamond Rio, Sony Diskman and many more models. There is also a survey of Linux Applications for Portable Music and Video Players, links to free music (GPLed or under Creative Commons license and tips and tricks about repairing, upgrading and disassembling your portable media player.

There is also a TuxMobil page dedicated to Linux on Tablet PCs, WebPads, NotePads, ... It contains an almost complete list of installation reports, drivers, useful applications and Linux distributions especially for Tablet PCs. There are even some manufacturers, which offer Tablet PCs pre-equipped with Linux.

My project TuxMobil: Linux with Laptops, Notebooks, PDAs, Mobile Phones and Portable Computers has been under the attack of content thieves some times. Therefore I have decided to sign all my pages with a steganographic watermark. Also I often watch out for stolen content using a special search engine, e.g. CopyScape. In case I detect a fraudulent site, I contact the FBI to Report Internet Fraud and the FTC's Consumer Complaints site (this applies only if the thief is located in the U.S.). And I complain to the thief's ISP.

There are many more fancy input devices working with Linux available, e.g. the Twiddler a tiny wrist keyboard made by Handykey.com, different Linux applications featuring your cell phone as a remote control and the WireLess NoteBook Presenter made by Targus; to name just a few. BTW: The WireLess NoteBook Presenter doesn't feature mouse gestures in the air, you have to provide mouse events by pushing a mouse button, but it works with Linux out of the box and seems much cheaper.

There are many more fancy input devices working with Linux available, e.g. the Twiddler a tiny wrist keyboard made by Handykey.com, different Linux applications featuring your cell phone as a remote control and the WireLess NoteBook Presenter made by Targus; to name just a few. BTW: The WireLess NoteBook Presenter doesn't feature mouse gestures in the air, you have to provide mouse events by pushing a mouse button, but it works with Linux out of the box and seems much cheaper.